Saturday, March 24, 2012

Church of God Dallas/Fort Worth and it's Female Pastor






Here's a Church of God unlike all the others.  It is sabbath keeping, commandant keeping, holy day keeping, and like all other COG's except for one area, it has a female pastor.  You can read about the reasons they find for women being able to lead in the church. Women’s Role


A clear translation is,
Let those women keep silent among the called out ones
The New American Standard: Let the (THOSE) women keep silent in (AMONG) the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
Let those women--who are not yet a part of the converted membership-- keep silent among the called out ones-- the ekklesia -- and subject themselves to their poor embarrassed, converted husbands. Rather than participating in services as the converted women do, they are to ask their husbands to instruct them at home. The KJV adds several words to this verse that are not in the Greek manuscripts, adding "your" to women, and the phrase "they are commanded". These added words make it sound like a universal ruling against ALL the women when it is not.
THOSE and AMONG written in all capitols are alternate translations of the Greek words. To find hoi/hai  (male/female forms of the same word, Strong's 3588) translated as THOSE see Matt 8:33, 9:12, 10:36, and 12:3 in the New King James. The Greek en is frequently translated as AMONG, see Matt 2:6, Matt 4:23, Matt 16:8 and Matt 20:26. The word translated as "churches", ekklesia, means the true believers within the churches, both men and women.
All members participated in services as we see in 1Cor. 14:26 and 31, and this was to continue, but women attending with converted husbands--wives who were not presently among the "ekklesia"-- were not to participate as the converted women did.

This must really gall Bob Thiel that a woman knows more than he does!

The best part of the web site is a link where they describe a run in they had with Art Mokarow and his Associates For Restored Truth.  They describe a symposium that Art ran where he brought in different speakers to talk on different subjects and then at the end basically told them all they were wrong and they he knew the right and correct way.  I see things have not changed in regards to Art's know it all attitude.

The pastors last letter was in 2010, so I don't know if they are still operating or not.

Friday, March 23, 2012

LCG Spokesman BobThiel Is Not Happy With Us




Self appointed end times 'authority', book promoter and all around Chiro/naturopath, Robert Thiel,  was not happy about an earlier blog entry dishing him for calling non-LCG members non-Christians.

He writes:

Two points. First, we in LCG do teach about Jesus. Second, if this website is going to continue to attempt to state what I teach, try to get it correct. I have never taught that the only Christians are in LCG. For details, please see http://www.cogwriter.com/position-on-churches.htm

If you talk about Jesus why is he always given the short end of the stick in LCG and the COG's?.  It's all about law, law, law.  Jesus gets scant mention except at "passover" time as he is crucified over and over every year in some high school gym in order to cover the previous years sins for LCG/COG members. Microphones magnify the breaking and cracking of matzo's  to symbolize the "broken" body of Jesus. The louder the sound the more miserable the lowly members are made to feel.  Instead of realizing what was accomplished at that cross thousands of years ago was accomplished ONCE for all, instead he has to be re-crucified every year.  Instead of celebrating the last supper as a foretaste of that heavenly banquet prepared from the foundations of the world, it is instead a time of blood lust.

So what about Christians in other churches that Bob claims there is.  Who are they, what are the churches?  Any quick reading through his blog and web site will quickly show who Thiel is specifically talking about.  Those in the LCG specifically and a scant few in other COG's are considered to be TRUE Christians.  Those TRUE Christians were all trained at the feet of Herbert Armstrong's teachings. The may also be a few in other Sabbatarian groups, but don't count on it.

Thiel is NOT referring to Christians in other churches outside of COGdom.  In his eyes all Protestants and Catholics are not true Christians because they are not sabbath keepers, law keepers or holy day keepers.  He has labeled them all as "fake" and "so-called" Christians.  He even has mocked Christianity Today magazine as be "improperly named" for using the word Christian in it's title.  That is, until we ragged on him so much that he changed his accusation against the magazine as "Protestant Christianity Today."

All I can say is that Thiel does not know what he is talking about, even if he is the official mouthpiece of the Living Church of God.  I know Christians outside of Armstrongism that make COG members look like kindergartners when it comes to being "people of the way."  They have ever kept a sabbath, kept kosher or believed in British Israelism, yet are light years ahead of Thiel in understanding. they aren't arrogant, proud or boastful like Thiel is.  I will take that any day over most of the garbage pumped out by Armstrongism.