Sunday, May 6, 2012

Big Sandy COG Splinter Cult: "Walmart Is The Devil"



Is Walmart the devil? The day will come shortly when the rug will be jerked out from under our feet, and then where will we Christians buy our TV's, our shotgun shells and even our eggs and broccoli? Buyer beware! Christian support of the Edomite agenda is at our own economic peril. Walmart has unfairly, through jewish banking connection, forced small retailers to close, by the tens of thousands across America.

It's time for Christians to take back "buying and selling." It's time for Christian retailers to present alternatives to Walmart, a difficult task without the banking connection. China Mart must go! We American Moms and Pops, born of Christian Biblical stock, must wake up our neighbors to the economic train wreck about to happen. We must reclaim our heritage! We must present our collective alternatives to what the devil has given us as his last, best effort for conquering us economically.

Saturday, May 5, 2012

Dennis Does A Synopsis of Ron Weinland's Latest Sermon


Sermon synopsis:

"I have no earthly idea what this man is saying, where he is going or how he got there."

Ron's sermon today explaining the spiritual meaning of Rev. 11 is truly lame. This man knows nothing and is endeavoring to make the nothing he knows into something to save his sorry ass from past mistakes in understanding. He acts like the Greek scholar he is not as if he knew. He's in for a great fall. Those who follow him and take this as truth are simply brain dead.
















Andrew On "Does God Recognize the Armstrongist Movement?"







Does God Recognize the Armstrongist Movement?


Frequently you will hear many COG leaders, prophets, apostles, witness types, and many others besides, claim that Herbert Armstrong was the modern apostle sent by Jesus Christ himself. They will then go on to reaffirm their belief that WCG was the one and only true church of god, and that the shattered remains of the Armstrongism legacy remain the true church of god on Earth today. They will say that "Jesus Christ is the head of their church." Also, the "ministers" of these churches believe the validity of their ordination as a "minister of Jesus Christ," is based upon an unbroken chain of ordinations linking Armstrong's ordination all the way back to the original first century apostles. These churches believe that god only works with people, makes them part of "his body," "his bride," the "ecclesia, etc., if they become affiliated with one of the COG corporate organizations. Furthermore, they hold it as beyond question that if you are affiliated and baptized into one of the COG corporate organizations, then god MUST be working with you.

Where did these ideas and assumptions come from? More importantly, how can we know how much truth there is to them?

Armstrong preached that 1) the seven churches mentioned in Revelation 2-3 were not just seven congregations along an ancient mail route, but were also a prophecy, symbolizing seven historical "church eras." When he wrote his autobiography, he claimed 2) that the Church of God (Seventh Day) centered in Stanberry, MO, was the "Sardis era" of the true church of god. He used this to assert that his splinter group was the "Philadelphia era" of this same true church, and moreover, that 3) he could then trace an unbroken lineage through COG(7D) all the way back to the original apostolic church of the first century AD. Many COG groups continue to use these claims and this logic, to say that they are the true church, or are one of the true churches, and that they can trace their roots back to the original first century church. Those assertions form the foundation for another host of further claims, such as that WCG was a fulfillment of certain prophecies and many scriptures in the bible were referring to WCG and its membership, for example, how Jesus Christ said, "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Can we take these claims to the bank? How good is the foundation underneath those claims? Was Herbert Armstrong telling the truth? According to Robert Coulter, former president of the General Conference of the Church of God (Seventh Day), (the church link through which Armstrong claimed authority), none of those claims were true.

COG(7D) as an entity, traces its roots back only to 1858 when it splintered off from the Adventists. If COG(7D) had a founding "Armstrong figure" that man would be a Methodist minister named Gilbert Cranmer. Like Armstrong, he started out as a Sunday-keeping protestant. Later, in 1843, he converted to become a Sunday-keeping Millerite Adventist. If Cranmer needed a link to the "true church," as Armstrong seemed to need, then Cranmer would have had to have acquired his authority from the Millerite Adventists (since the Protestant Methodists are not an option). Were the Millerites a “true church of god”?

William Miller was a Calvinist Baptist who believed that Jesus would literally return to the Earth in the Spring of 1843. When that didn't happen, it was pushed back to the fall, and then to October 22, 1844. The doctrine of seven church eras appears to have originated with Miller, which he used to help make a case for the legitimacy of his own movement. Andrew N. Dugger, although he was on the fringes of the Oregon State Conference of COG(7D) and a mentor to the young Armstrong, he was also a dyed-in-the-wool Millerite Adventist who did not reflect the beliefs of COG(7D). In 1936, along with Clarence O. Dodd, he published a book entitled, "A History of the True Religion Traced From 33AD to Date," which attempted to fill in the details of these Millerite "church eras," using generous helpings of other Millerite doctrines to help him do so, such as the "true names" doctrine, which was borrowed by Armstrong and has come to be associated with Armstrongism as well.

Dugger & Dodd makes the claim that Adventism began as an incarnation of the "true church," but does so based upon no more evidence than the "great enthusiasm" of William Miller, and that they were organized under the name "Church of God" prior to James and Ellen White changing the name to "Seventh-day Adventists" in October of 1860. Dugger & Dodd make no attempt to connect Adventism to the previously discussed Seventh-Day Baptists of Salem, WV or any other group. Brief mention is made of the obviously inconsequential "great disappointment" as merely an "error in prophetic calculation," while much is made of how he "went on with the truth."

Watchman.org, however, does claim that Adventism got its belief in a seventh-day sabbath from the Seventh-Day Baptists, although it doesn't say exactly how that happened. Curiously, according to Dugger & Dodd, it wasn't necessary that the Seventh-Day Baptists carry the "true name," I suppose because they kept a seventh-day sabbath, and, as long as at least one organization recognized under their umbrella carried the name "Church of God" or Church of Christ" at some point in their history, no matter how briefly, that was good enough to sanctify the rest. Also, it wasn't a problem that Adventists originated as Sunday-keepers, not adopting a seventh-day sabbath until 1846. In retrospect, maybe that was why Jesus didn't come in 1844. But still, from 1846-1860, they had fourteen years with both the "true name" and the right day of the week, so I guess that's all we need to know.

Later, Dodd would disavow the book entirely, saying he had come to believe their assertions were based upon faulty premises. In reality, there is no evidence that god had anything to do with William Miller in any way, or that he had any special access to god, or any special authority from god to convey to anyone else through association, ordination, or any other means. Also, Deuteronomy 18:22 says that he was a false prophet. Nevertheless, along with a little scriptural cherry-picking, Armstrong and Herman Hoeh would continue to make much hoeh, er, hay, out of Dugger & Dodd, using it extensively as though it were solid research. Unless you count unfounded conjecture and then steadfastly pay no attention to scripture, there really is little reason to conclude that the Millerite movement were a branch of the “true church of god.”

Meanwhile, Gilbert Cranmer, the Adventist minister would come to adopt the seventh-day Sabbath as late as 1852, (apparently having been unaware that the church within which he was a minister had officially embraced a seventh-day Sabbath for the last six years). Cranmer would splinter off to form his own group in 1858, and would change the name of his group to "Church of Christ" in 1860. Later they would change the name to "Church of God (Seventh Day)."

Robert Coulter freely admits that when COG(7D) was founded it did not observe many of the criteria that both Dugger and Armstrong would later claim are distinguishing characteristics of the "true church of god." Perhaps the most important tenets that COG(7D) has never acknowledged are the Hebrew calendar, passover, and the old testament holy days.

In his autobiography, Armstrong retells the story as though the Millerite church eras doctrine and the believe that they were the "Sardis era," were also bona fide COG(7D) tenets when in fact, neither of these claims were true. After Garner Ted Armstrong was kicked out of WCG for the last time, he met with and spoke to COG(7D) groups, and Coulter says he apologized for WCG referring to COG(7D) as “the Sardis church." Coulter also disavowed Dugger & Dodd, saying, "We are a 19th-century creation. We cannot trace our history back to apostolic times."

We're left with nothing more than two dead-end connections, neither of which fit the proscribed definition of a "true church of god," and the most direct of which claims it has no authoritative connections. From where did Armstrong derive his authority? In short, he derived it from himself. He made it up. Herbert Armstrong borrowed all these ideas from others, probably because they were proven marketing tricks to gain followers.

The truth is, there is no evidence to suggest that the prophetic interpretation of Revelation 2-3 is a valid interpretation of scripture. COG(7D) never claimed to be the “Sardis era” of the “true church” and WCG had no basis to claim it was the “Philadelphia era.” There is no connection between Armstrongism and the first century apostolic church. Herbert Armstrong himself was not only not an apostle, as he claimed, but he also possessed no authority to ordain anyone else as a "minister." There is no evidence to claim that any of the COG groups are today or ever were "God's True Church," or that any of the members are "God's People." Nor is there any reason why Jesus christ is, or ever was, the "head" of any of these COG organizations. Finally, there is no reason to suspect that god must necessarily honor the baptisms of the members or be working with any of them in any way, despite the popularly held theories to the contrary.

Currently there is no evidence one way or the other that god recognizes the validity of the Armstrong movement. It is merely an article of faith, embraced because the alternative is unthinkable. As we have seen the theory for Armstrongisms validity in some cases is based upon a lack of evidence, and in other cases upon outright lies. But the difference between this faith and regular faith is that with regular faith there is at least a holy book to go along with it for support. In this case, you have to place your complete trust in nothing more than a man's word, namely, Herbert Armstrong. I would be lying to you if I said I could estimate the chances one way or another. But given the history, what do you think the prognosis is?

So, that's the truth, but there's more. There's also the brutal truth. If the Armstrong movement should turn out to be invalid in the eyes of god, then where does that leave the membership? I hate to say it, but images of the Titanic do come to mind.

So, how can you know if you are one of god's people? How do you know that god "began a good work in you" in the first place? How do you know that the Father has "drawn you" to christ, so that you can "come to him"? How can you know that you've made the necessary connection and boarded the train that's bound for glory, or even had an opportunity to do so, and that you're not just sitting at the train station, going nowhere? You can't. Not unless you're Gideon, and god talks to you and what he says comes to pass; then you know you're on the train. Of course, either you're on the train, or else you're on the boat. Maybe you want to be on the train with all your heart and all your soul and all your might. Maybe you've been keeping the commandments as best as you can for decades. Sorry, there's no guarantee that translates to being on the train. Contrary to what your "ministers" have been telling you, there is no guarantee that god is calling you, and if he isn't, there isn't necessarily anything you can do about it. Unfortunately, the bible is unsettlingly unclear about all of this. These are just a couple of pertinent little details that god forgot to include in the bible.

Andrew