Monday, January 5, 2026

God as Man: Armstrongism Missed the Mark on the Incarnation

 

Joseph, Jesus, Mary



God as Man

Armstrongism Missed the Mark on the Incarnation

By Scout

When he was born as Jesus Christ, he was flesh and blood, materialistic and could be seen, touched and felt.

 Herbert W. Armstrong, Mystery of the Ages, p.41, First Edition, 1985

We are in the Advent season and for many Christians the mind turns to the Incarnation.  I do not like the term incarnation.  It’s fine after you come to understand what it really means.  But at first cut it sounds like a narrow reference to the physical flesh.  Like the Advent is all about fleshliness.  But the incarnation isn’t about metabolism, cellular structure and endocrine secretions.  I would rather see the term “humanization” be used.  Humanization encompasses a larger span of meaning.  But who am I to meddle with church terminology?

An abstract of this essay, if you don’t want to read the rest, is that the Christian doctrine of Incarnation means that Jesus was fully God and fully man when he was on this earth.  And now he is still fully God and fully man.  The Armstrongist doctrine is that Jesus was fully God as the Logos but was transformed fully into the flesh as Jesus.  Then Jesus was resurrected and glorified as God. Jesus was never, ever fully God and fully man.  He was always one or the other.  And the Armstrongist model of the incarnation is in error.  And the erroneous view is not supported by exegesis. That is my theme in brief.  

Disclaimer: Before I start, I have to say that I am not really sure what Armstrongism declares concerning the incarnation.  I searched an archive of Armstrongist literature and only found the term “incarnation” in connection with pagan belief or purported pagan belief.  One would have to conclude that Armstrongism does not really have a strong doctrine of the incarnation.  There are just some scattered statements.  Denominationally, Armstrongism takes great pride in its rejection of Christmas and its meaning based on the illogic of pagan connections and calendar calculations but theologically and exegetically the denominations seem to be absent from class. 

The Conjectural Armstrongist “Model” of Incarnation

Armstrongism does not have a well-defined, comprehensive model for the Incarnation.  I am surprised by this hole in their theology.  The Incarnation may seem peripheral but it is directly related to the Antichrist.  In 2 John 1:7 we have: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”  Since Armstrongists are interested in all things prophetic, it seems like they would have a finely parsed doctrine of the Incarnation. Lacking a clear, coherent statement of the doctrine, the most I can do is develop a “strawman” that I believe represents the Armstrongist view.  The strawman is built on the pre-1995 writings of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG).  My strawman may not reflect what current Armstrongism intends.  If there are counterpoints, I would welcome the debate.  I just do not know who credibly speaks for Armstrongism at this time.  This underscores the fact that Armstrongism is no longer a monolithic doctrine but a decentralized collection of somewhat divergent beliefs.

My guess is that it is safe to start by saying that Armstrongism rejects the orthodox Christian view of the Incarnation.  The orthodox view is that Jesus was fully God and fully human and remains so to this day – in a nutshell. The Armstrongist belief is that Jesus was fully God in the pre-existence.  Then he was made flesh, that is, he became human. And this means that his ontology changed.  He no longer had a divine ontology but rather a human ontology.  His essence was now different.  In authority, he was yet God.  But he no longer had the divine capabilities of God because he had emptied himself of the divine ontology.  If he did anything miraculous during the period his was flesh, it was done through angels or the Holy Spirit.  Then when Jesus died, he was resurrected and glorified and regained his divine ontology.  So, Jesus was fully God, then became fully man instead and then back to fully God. 

It would be naïve of me to believe that all the denominations of Armstrongism now on the land would agree with this characterization.  It is likely that there will never be among Armstrongists a single view of the Incarnation.  Page 41 in the First Edition MOA is as close as we can ever get to a doctrine-like statement.  

Fully God and Fully Man: Where Armstrongism Misses the Mark

In brief, the orthodox view of the Incarnation is that Jesus was fully God as the Logos, then when he came to live with us he limited himself and became fully human but without losing his full divine ontology and when he was resurrected he became a single Person with two natures, one divine and one human.  This dual nature in one being is referred to as the hypostatic union.  We can make up a term to refer to the state and operation of these two conjoined natures but nobody knows how it happens.  To our eyes, it is a miracle. 

In critiquing the Armstrongist view, the first question that comes to mind is whether it is even existentially feasible.  Can someone undergo a change in ontology and still be identified as the same being?  If the Logos somehow were re-made as the human Jesus, would that not be like destroying the original and making a scaled down replica?  And could the human Jesus really be remade as God – the finite becoming infinite?  This idea would fit well with the Armstrongist concept of humans becoming God-as-God-is-God, but I have my doubts that ontology can be flipped back and forth.

We have no laboratory where we can conduct experiments concerning changes in ontology.  Such change is not known in the Nature that we are familiar with.  What we do have are the non-experimental and pre-emptive declarations of God himself.  In Malachi 3:6, we have the statement, “For I am the LORD (Yahweh), I change not.”  The way this is couched verbally, one receives the distinct impression that one of the attributes of Yahweh is that he does not change.  This presents a problem to the Armstrongist view which posits that God did change in his very essence.  The Logos changed from God to a human being and then back again.  The Christian view is that God does not change and is immutable.  And when the Logos became incarnate, he did not change his Deity but limited it and acquired an additional nature – that of a human being. But human ontology is created and Jesus was the Creator.  So, it is not like subsuming the human ontology is really a change in the divine ontology.

There are other inconsistencies.  Jesus came to earth as a King.  He was the King of the Kingdom of God.  He stated in John 18:36, “My Kingdom is not of the world.”  But if Jesus were only a flesh and blood human as Armstrongism asserts, he could not be the King of the Kingdom of God.  Paul states in 1 Corinthians 15:50, “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”  If Jesus were only human then he was totally corruptible.  So, one is inevitably led to the conclusion that he was much more than just a human being and Armstrongism was wide of the mark. 

HWA said many times that the reason that Jesus could pay for the sins of the entirety of humanity is because he is God our Creator and is worth more than all of us.  I agree with this.  It only makes sense.  But if Jesus were nothing more than a corruptible human being at his death, if he had lost his ontology as God, he was worth only one person and HWA’s arithmetic fails.

In the last analysis, the scripture states that Jesus was still God when he was on this earth.  Not just by designation but by ontology, by his existential essence.  Paul states in Colossians 2:9, “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead (Greek, theotes, the state of being God) bodily.”  Even while in a human body, Jesus was carrying with him inherently all the fulness of the Deity.  And if all this still seems equivocal, there is the explicit statement of Doubting Thomas in John 20:28.  Thomas explicitly refers to Jesus as “ho theos.”  This is a Greek locution that uses the phrase “the God” to refer to the one and only great God.  It does not refer just to someone who may be heroic or god-like. If Jesus were just a human, he might have rebuked Thomas for this faux pas.  But Jesus accepted the language in reference to himself.  And you can be sure that Jesus knew his own ontology. 

Summation

There are many more arguments that could be made that support the Christian view of the Incarnation and they are found in most systematic theologies.  I like the ones I have presented above because they tend to be on the minority side – not often cited, if ever.  But if you happen to have been an Armstrongist at one time, these ideas stand out.  The unavoidable conclusion is that Christianity is right about the Incarnation.  Jesus was fully God and fully man when on this earth.  And Armstrongism needs to go back to the drawing board.  It’s not like Armstrongism actually made a mistake about the Incarnation.  They never really enunciated the doctrine it seems to me.  So, I find the quote of John Stuart Mill apropos to this case, “"They have never thrown themselves into the mental position of those who think differently from them... and consequently they do not, in any proper sense of the word, know the doctrine which they themselves profess."

 

 

 

 

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

When I used to be under Armstrongism (for decades) I always believed that Jesus was fully man and fully god and I am sure that is the way HWA taught it. Perhaps someone can find (or fabricate?) some exception in one of his works. But, I'm skeptical.

Anonymous said...

On many points, Herbo was wrongo. On many points orthodoxy is also out to lunch. Granted, it is easier to be an orthodox Christian. But so what? Why trade one pack of nonsense for another?

Anonymous said...

Why does the Catholic church seem to believe that eating a wafer (shaped like the sun and bright white by the way) is literally eating the body of jesus?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 12:30 wrote, "I always believed that Jesus was fully man and fully god and I am sure that is the way HWA taught it."

I am skeptical, too. I do not remember that being taught. Notice that there is a nuance here. HWA believed that Jesus was God. But other statements seem to say that this was God who had no divine capabilities - he was fully human but nominally God. That is different from fully God and fully man.

If you can find something written down that supports what you assert was HWA's view, please make it known.

Scout

Anonymous said...

Your belief that Jesus was both God and man is definitely not what was taught across the board. We left because it was preached Jesus was the word and when the word became flesh, he gave up his godhood, and was just a man with a lot of strong faith. So that we could become God, he became just like us. And just a man.

Sound like blasphemy? Well that’s the last message we had before we left our ACOG. And this after many years of being in it, not realizing the extent of the heretical beliefs carried by this system.

John said...

Anon, Monday, January 5, 2026 at 12:30:02 PM PST, wrote:

When I used to be under Armstrongism (for decades) I always believed that Jesus was fully man and fully god and I am sure that is the way HWA taught it. Perhaps someone can find (or fabricate?) some exception in one of his works. But, I'm skeptical.
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Anon, can you cite a source of HWA proving that HWA taught "Jesus was fully man and fully god?"
What are you saying? Do you believe that Jesus was 100% man and 100% god? What does "fully" mean? How would you have 200% of Jesus?

This particular thread has a: "..."Summation

There are many more arguments that could be made that support the Christian view of the Incarnation and they are found in most systematic theologies. I like the ones I have presented above because they tend to be on the minority side – not often cited, if ever. But if you happen to have been an Armstrongist at one time, these ideas stand out. The unavoidable conclusion is that Christianity is right about the Incarnation. Jesus was fully God and fully man when on this earth. And Armstrongism needs to go back to the drawing board..."

The summation also states that: "...Jesus was fully God and fully man when on this earth....", but is that really true?

In HWA's book, Mystery of the Ages, it was written: "...It is vital that we understand, at this point, that Jesus, during his human life, was both God and man..." HWA did not use the adjective word "fully" at all there. Where did that "God" part come from?

Jesus Christ could not be the same as us, human beings, if He was all God and all man. Is that not true?

Here is the Apostle's view about Jesus Christ in Hebrews 2:

Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
Yes, children are partakers of flesh and blood, but there is no "God part" there. But the verse says that Jesus Christ: He also Himself likewise took part of the same.
How could Jesus Christ "take part of the same" if He had some God part; Jesus could not be like those flesh and blood children, because they are not the same...unless Jesus was some sort of a freak.

:16 "For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham."

Isn't the nature of angels spirit? If Jesus didn't take on that spirit quality, then how could He have been God, have any God part, or have any fully God part?

Who are the seed of Abraham? Certainly not spirit, and not God. Weren't they flesh and blood? There is no God part, no fully God part.

:17 "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
The brethren were flesh and blood. If Jesus Christ were "...also himself likewise took part of the same," then how could Jesus have any God part, being fully God? He can't, because He would not be made like us. To be the same like us, Jesus would have to be flesh and blood, without any God part.

Additionally, many antichrists exist (I John 2:18). In I John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7, to say that Jesus was something other than flesh is to teach the "spirit of antichrist."

Jesus was not the same as us if He was all God and all man, or fully God and fully man, but...

Time will tell...

John

Anonymous said...

That's not what HWA taught, when Christ came to earth he was a man.

Anonymous said...

John:

Jesus was different from us. That is why he is our mediator. He serves in a role that we cannot. He is the bridge between God and man because he combines both natures – something that none of us humans do. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” You can’t say that of any of us. Notice the word fulness. This is the Greek word pleroma and it means fulness or completion. Christ was God – nothing omitted.

Because Jesus partook of flesh and blood in the same way as us does not mean that this partaking cancelled his Godhood. You are inserting an idea that is not there and does not have to be there.

You make the same assumption concerning Christ taking on the nature of the seed of Abraham. That does not cancel his Godhood. Jesus is one person of the Trinity with two natures. Other scriptures verify that Jesus was God in full.

You need to exegete the principle that you assert that if Jesus partook of a certain nature, it cancels ut his Godhood. Then you need to develop an argument that shows that Colossians 2:9 does not mean what it says it means. Then you will at least have your foot in the door.

Scout

Anonymous said...

Why do you have to always argue over religion ?
This article is awful in that you contradict yourself several times. What are people supposed to do argue if Jesus was 40% flesh or was he 50.

G.D said...

The bread that Jesus ate at the Passover was normal, raised bread, "artos" in Greek (Luke 22:19, Matt 26:26).

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 11:20 wrote, “Why do you have to always argue over religion?”

You need to face the fact that there is an actual belief and way of life called Christianity. It does exist. It is defined by a set of beliefs. You cannot do whatever you want to do and call it Christianity. The fact that there are people who renounce Christian belief and yet want to call themselves Christian is the fundamental source of the debate. My charter is in 1 Peter 3 where it says “Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and respect.” Armstrongism is incessantly promoted by its followers, and this requires a response.

Anonymous 11:20 also wrote, “This article is awful in that you contradict yourself several times.”

Rather than give us a sound bite, why don’t you list out the many contradictions and see what I say about them. You might learn something if that inclination is in you. You might be right about some things. Hiding behind a sound bite is a forsaking of the truth.

Scout

Anonymous ` said...

John wrote, “In HWA's book, Mystery of the Ages, it was written: "...It is vital that we understand, at this point, that Jesus, during his human life, was both God and man..."

This is from Chapter 7 of the MOA.


To simply state that he was “God in the human flesh” is not definitive. We would need to unpack this statement because the phrase can advance different ideas. Nowhere does HWA make the statement that Jesus was fully God and fully man, as you point out. Yet, if he read any Christian theology at all, he would have found this statement to be prominent. The fact that he does not use the language introduces a question. The passage in Chapter 7 of MOA does not clarify this concern.

Giving HWA the benefit of the doubt, I would say that his statement is ambiguous and is in need of clarification. But, of course, he is no longer around so that we can ask him.

Scout

Anonymous said...

The Armstrongist idea that Jesus was God and yet fully contained within the body of man has serious issues. This was an idea that was held by early Lutheran reformers. They believed in the receptacle view of space and time. Space was like a container and God, through the Incarnation, could be fully contained within it with nothing left over. When Christ was incarnate on earth, his former transcendent locus had been vacated.
Yet, space and time were created by God. Armstrongist did have the belief that God was in space. As I have mentioned many times before, I heard GTA say that if you had a rocket ship and enough time you could fly to God’s throne. That was stated informally I do not know if it was ever codified as doctrine. Just another sound bite, maybe.

The receptacle theory is a dog that won’t hunt. 1 Kings 8:27 states of Yahweh, ““But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Even heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you, much less this house that I have built!” One might argue that this all changed with the incarnation but where does it say that in scripture? The idea that the fullness of the divine nature dwelt in Jesus bodily does not preclude its concurrent transcendence.

Once again, I cannot say that HWA believed in the receptacle view of space for sure. There is not enough data to analyze. His use of language in the MOA does suggest it.

Scout

Anonymous said...

Ironically with the double speak of hwa and his trainees, they say one thing and then say the opposite, and the sheep just nod and agree without noticing the continuous contradictions. The blind leading the blind.

Anonymous said...

While I don’t think it’s the literal body of Jesus, I do think everyone should have a profound respect for the broken body of Jesus. And realize He did say, eat My flesh and drink My blood. That should make us pause and think of the enormity of what we do when we partake of those elements. It’s a HUGE deal. And should be respected.

He died for the world. And it is only through His death and His resurrection that any of us have any hope.

Anonymous said...

a wafer (shaped like the sun

I've heard of Flat Earthers, but now we've got Flat Sunners here on Banned?

Anonymous said...

@12:52: The sun isn't bright white. What's your point?

Anonymous said...

In Armstrongism Jesus was god in the flesh. He allowed people to worship him while he was in the flesh. Exactly how he was both God and man might not have been spelt out. But nobody can really explain that anyway.

Anonymous said...

This is not the view of Sabbatarian Christians.

Anonymous said...

Well that comment at 6:26 cuts to the heart of who you really are. I see your ice cold contempt. But haven't I heard it all before ? " I Christian, you lot scum".

A person's opinion is not a sound bite. I was not hiding behind anything. The Lord knows my heart. You overcomplicate issues and belittle others, for no reason than to be rude and condescending to others.

How it must be dizzy up there on the lofty goliath heights, as you look down on others, and judge them as not Christian. You declare the decree, are we expected to cower? Did Jesus make you judge, jury and master? No he did not, yet you foolishly behave as if he did.

Are you perfect? You'd better had be, no lies, no hypocrisy for you've seized the term of 'Christian' like a gatemaster, and you alone decide to whom is allowed to use it. You are like the gatemaster in the Wizard of Oz 1939 film version: "Who are you...you can't get in, he's too busy.." slams the door hatch shut.

How do you get to the point in life that you are deciding who is allowed to call themselves Christian? Judgemental? Self righteous? Petty? Cruel? Dangerous? Foolhardy? I thought only Catholics recognise they have a tendency for self-righteousness, ever been a Catholic? For your comment is drowning in it.

A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ, believing He is the Son of God and the Messiah; dedicated to following His teaching, accepting His sacrifice for sins, and seeking to live a life transformed by faith, often marked by baptisim and a commitment to God, as described in the Bible.
The term 'Christian' comes from 'Christ' meaning 'anointed one' and signifies someone who strives to be Christ-like in character, displaying virtues like love compassion, and humility'.
Three attributes that sadly are missing in your ongoing cruel contempt for Sabbath Christians God given right to call themselves Christian.

Anonymous said...

Aaron Dean for decades has said he wrote much of MOA, that Herbert was too blind to know when his typewriter ribbon had run out. So ask Dean.