COGWA's Dave Myers Talks About How Heavy His Shepherds Mantle Is When He Has To Disfellowship Members And Then Watch Them Get On Social Media And Tell THEIR Side Of The Story.

"Well, lately it's been the ministry who has split the flock and sowed discord. 

They have also stepped outside doctrine and made decisions about people's individual choices 

and made them feel guilty for their own lives." (one reaction to Dave's post below)

 

One of the sad characteristics of many fundamentalists who claim "we are the only truth" and exclusionary sects in this country is its weaponized system of disfellowshipping and marking members who they deem as unable to fit the expectations of the sect. It is a powerful tool to keep members in line and living in a constant state of fear. In Armstrongism these actions meant an immediate loss of salvation and exclusion from the place of safety.

For many, this was a spiritually damaging event in their lives and drove them completely away from God, something the church claimed it was not meant to do. The pain it caused was not only with the person/persons involved but with family and dear friends - or at least people you thought were friends. 

Sadly in the Church of God movement many pastors and church leaders took great delight in publicly shaming members. Sure they put on a great face in front of the members on how this was painful for them to do, but was necessary. Once they kicked people out, no contact was ever made with them again. If a member decided to come back they had to come back groveling on their own begging for mercy from God's right-hand man.

The other day, Dave Myers from Church of God a Worldwide Association decided to talk about how painful this was for pastors in COGWA. The crap quickly hit the fan, something he was not expecting, and as usual in the COG, immediately blamed everyone else for their response.

What really rang his bell was that people do not take too kindly to this kind of false "love" and reacted on social media about it. How dare they! How dare they tell THEIR side of the story. Something that no disfellowshiped member of the COG movement has ever been able to do. Of course, these deceived sheep are telling their story from a personal slant and most of the time completely inaccurate. They are liars as no COG minister is capable of telling a falsehood or give out inaccurate information.

Any time a pastor has to ask a person not to fellowship with the flock due to such things as doctrinal disagreement, causing division, derogatory accusations, or the like, it is a sad and heartrending time for that pastor (and many others). He hopes and prays with all his heart that the person will come to see themselves accurately and be able to change their way. His action is done out of love to spur the person to deeply examine themselves and help them to change. The mantle of shepherding in these instances is quite heavy and frankly, unpleasant. If the person does not accept this loving correction, sadly, social media provides a platform for the supposed 'offended' to tell their story widely - from their perspective - which is usually found to be quite 'slanted' and often just plain inaccurate. Good-hearted people can read these 'posts-of-the-offended' and be misled as to what actually went on. Some might think, "If their post doesn't reflect what really has happened, the pastor would defend his action by posting the truth, wouldn't he?" But consider this: I, for one, am thankful that the 'church' does not post its 'side' of the story revealing all the details as to why this painful action has had to be taken. Love and respect for the person being 'disciplined' means that the 'church' would not reveal their personal problems or lay out all the ugly details that led to this necessary action. We all know that the scripture teaches "Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins" (Proverbs 10:12) and "He who covers a transgression seeks love, But he who repeats a matter separates friends" (Proverbs 17:9). So you will not read the pastor's 'rebuttal' because he loves the person and does not wish to 'air their dirty laundry.' So, a pastor does not post on social media, but rather, prays that the 'offended' comes to his senses and is able to repent. I hope this small window into the shepherd's mantle of responsibility is helpful.

Dave's response to people's responses:

David J. Myers May 4 at 10:52 AM

As if often the case with social media, it can easily devolve into squabbles between people who use the platform to proclaim their particular opinions, complaints, and troubles. Since this has become the case with my most recent post, I have decided to delete it and try to follow the admonition found in 1 Timothy 1:3-7. Warm regards

Gods Greatest Little Prophet Brings Rain to Africa!

 

God heard the mighty prayers of the Greatest prophet to ever reign over a Church of God in over 2,000 years. Dreamed into being as the foundations of the universe were being created to emerge millennia later in the perilous end times of the world to restore the true gospel for the true faithful. Preordained by God to live in the godless state of California where his words would have the most impact, this, the littlest yet greatest prophet of God got down on his knees recently to pray for rain in Africa. 

After doubting the words of his evangelists, and yet knowing that God exclusively listens to him and not to any unconverted trash in Africa, The Great Bwana to Africa immediately got on the Weather Channel to see if God heard his prayer. Lo and behold, there was some rain in Africa.

Please get down on your knees and beg God's forgiveness for us ever doubting the greatness of this final prophet to the Church of God, May God have mercy on us all! We will never doubt him again!!!!!!!!!

Pastor Dr Bob,

Greetings from Lodwar.

We reached well. Even though it was a long journey but we arrived at 1 PM. Arthur Topos met us at the bus stage and directly we went to meet brethren.

What surprised me is how these people are surviving. I’ve never gone to a dry place like this where I can see even a leaf of grass. I didn’t know that we have such place in Kenya since this is my first time to be here. I got very humble but hungry people. There is a great famine in this place. And since it’s near the border Ethiopia and Kenya. This a place bordering and surrounded by many countries. Uganda. Somalia and Ethiopia. Many people came from Ethiopia and Uganda to grab the cattle and goats from them

I met 160 people included the young ones. The meeting was very smart. And after the meeting I bought for them soft drinks and biscuits for them to enjoy. They thanked you for food you offered them last time when Arthur came to my home. The big problem here is food. Pastor these people are suffering. They live the kind of living which is not in any other parts of Kenya.

All their cows and goats and the camels were to be stolen by other tribes

Another thing they don’t have a Hall where they can gather on Sabbath.

So these people are really suffering. But they love the Truth. … Since they are so many, if we … can help them to put on a Hall and get some food for them.

Let’s continue to pray for these people because the life here is very tough.

Evans

After getting that report on Monday, I looked up news related to the Lodwar area and found the following Roman Catholic report:

Lodwar (Agenzia Fides) – While anti-government riots against the high cost of living continue throughout the country (see Fides, 28/3/2023), the population of northern Kenya, in addition to the consequences of the Covid-19 pandemic, is going through a serious humanitarian crisis. Five seasons without a drop of rain, a ruthless nature due to the scorching sun and a drought that has lasted for more than three years, make the living conditions of the inhabitants of Turkana, one of the 47 counties of Kenya located in the ex Rift Valley Province, inhuman and desperate. 03/30/23 http://www.fides.org/en/news/73599-AFRICA_KENYA_Drought_emergency_in_Turkana_County_the_population_is_in_danger_of_a_serious_humanitarian_crisis

Shortly after reading that, although I believe that the “Five seasons without a drop of rain” statement was an exaggeration, I sent funds to assist with food and building supply needs Monday evening. Additionally, that night and very early the next morning I prayed for rain for the area. And, according to weather.com, that area did get some rain on Tuesday. However, the situation there is still dire. We are also looking into possibly assistance with some type of an irrigation system for the future.

The Kingdom of God Arrives On Cinco de Mayo!!!!!!!!!!!! Nachos and Margaritas Time!!!!!!!!!

Remember Boys and Girls, TODAY is the day the GREAT Profit from Wadsworth says that his creature he calls "christ" is returning! Lets party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Note: this was originally posted April 17...

Second Chances

 

David C. Pack puts cats with nine lives to shame. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God knows how to reinvent himself by dramatically updating the prophetic landscape without blushing. After setting over fifty dates for the return of Jesus Christ in the last twelve months, the False Prophet Energizer Bunny just keeps going and going.

 

And the brethren seem totally fine with that. You cannot help an addict until THEY decide to get sober.

 

The All-Believing Zealots proved Mr. Pack was right about April 1. All the enabling hirelings agreed.

 

April 1 failed.

 

The All-Believing Zealots proved Mr. Pack was right about April 5. All the enabling hirelings agreed.

 

April 5 failed.

 

The All-Believing Zealots proved Mr. Pack was right about April 7. All the enabling hirelings agreed.

 

April 7 failed.

 

The All-Believing Zealots proved Mr. Pack was right about April 12. All the enabling hirelings agreed.

 

April 12 failed.

 

I never graduated college, but I see a pattern emerging.

 

The Tammuz Cooking Table has once again found favor in Dave’s sight because he returned to powerfully sit on April 15, 2023, with “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 435).”

 

The Kingdom of God Arrives on Iyar 15

The Second Passover

May 5, 2023 @ 8:27 PM ET

 

Dave overshot May the Fourth Be With You by one day. But Cinco de Mayo is a good alternative because: nachos and margaritas.

 

Mr. Jeffrey Reed of Church of God International (CGI) got a chuckle when he accurately joked about this during our interview on Prove All Things last week.

 

Truth is stranger (and more predictable) than fiction, it seems.

 

 

David C. Pack frequently enjoys making light of his own fraud by utilizing gaslighting as an introduction.

 

Part 435 – April 15, 2023

@ 00:04 Good evening. Here we are, and I will give you my usual introduction. We’re still just fine. You will (perhaps) more than ever before, not doubt that after tonight.

 

If the folks in the audience had no doubts, they are beyond help at this point. The Apostle botched God’s arrival four times in April, and there are still two weeks left.

 

Bible surrogates were brought up again as Dave dusted off the False Prophet’s Toolkit.

 

@ 01:19 And so, the 24^th [Abib] is ending. Therefore, it was a surrogate for another date.

 

Part 435 being delivered on Abib 24 is relevant somehow. David C. Pack is living “A Beautiful Mind.” He can find prophetic significance in the ant trail on the kitchen counter. I wonder how often he called his wife into the bathroom so she could marvel at his “personally important” doodie.

 

“Honey, take a look at this. Do you know what this means? Well, I do…”

 

Jim and Andy roshambo over who is more qualified to be the appropriate surrogate when that occurs in the office.

 

 

Dave made a long point about holy time being immovable. Wait for the punchline.

 

@ 03:22 Can Pentecost be anything other than kept after you count fifty from the Sabbath during Unleavened Bread? No. Can Trumpets be any other time but the first day of the civil year, Tishrei 1? No. Can Atonement be anything but nine days later? On the 10^th day? No. Can you move…the Feast of Tabernacles to any other day? Or the Last Great Day? Or a new moon? Or, I guess, any other appointed time like the Passover? And the answer is no. And I said that you cannot move it.

 

This caused the needle in my head to screech across the record and crash on the floor. What?! Reality warbled, and I felt like I had entered The Twilight Zone. Which one of us suffers from a mental illness became a question. Perhaps my listening comprehension skills were more piss-poor than I knew.

 

David C. Pack said the Last Great Day cannot move during Part 435. Huh?

 

Flashback Part 433 – April 6, 2023

@ 02:16 If you bring that day forward and you count it, there is now, as of this moment, less than a week before the Great Day would end if you put it at the end of the Days of Unleavened Bread.

 

@ 13:49 But this would only be true if the Great Day were brought forward to follow Unleavened Bread before this day disappears forever…So, if God wanted to put the Last Great Day after the seven days in the fall to hide it for thousands of years till He could bring it forward and put it after the first seven days in the spring, which pictures the same thing, He could do that.

 

@ 14:53 But, all of that collapses if God didn’t show us at a wonderful dinner last night things I’d looked at in the past but couldn’t figure out that He’s gonna bring the Great Day six months forward and build the Kingdom of God.

 

These quotes suggest I am not crazy. If Dave was drawing a line between observance and fulfillment, he certainly never said so. The man would not get a Most Effective Speaker award for his Crystal Clear speech. He practically speaks in tongues half the time, even though the words appear to be in English.

 

But none of this matters now because the Last Great Day is no longer part of the picture. Perhaps this is like the clandestine reset of the 1335 of Daniel 12. Brethren need to read between the lines to get the whole story because focusing on it would only cause embarrassment and concern.

 

 

After the Days of Unleavened Bread neglected to show the world David C. Pack had been right this whole time, the second Passover became a second chance at redemption.

 

Part 435 – April 15, 2023

@ 01:43 Tonight is to see when this one-year kingdom comes. When it comes. I will present massive proof. I’ll just tell you. Massive, inarguable proof of when it comes. And it’s not identified in the Bible by any of those kinds of dates we described.

 

@ 04:46 So, Iyar 15 starts the second Passover. That’s a little under twenty days away. Iyar 15. And it’s a moed. We’re waiting for a moed. This year, it’s also a Sabbath…

 

@ 05:25 So, Iyar 15 is a Passover. It is the Passover. In fact, it’s an absolutely commanded Passover. That has to be kept by people who are either unclean or on a far journey.

 

@ 06:38 So, you may have thought (and I hope just with this first couple points) I’ve alleviated all doubt about whether the Passover is gone and it’s too late. It is not. In fact, I will show ya this was never ever going to be the Passover of Abib 15. That’s impossible.

 

Translation: I hope you already agree by taking my word for it since I have yet to crack open the Bible to prove anything. I have already defused doubts because I am projecting my desired outcome onto you.

 

“…this was never going to be the Passover of Abib 15.”

 

This is David C. Pack’s verbal manipulation at work. If you do not slow down, it can be missed. Which is what he wants. The brethren in the Main Hall cannot hit pause on Dave. But I can.

 

He tries to distance himself from his own significant points while, at the same time, altering what he actually taught. He was not preaching Passover. He preached the Night To Be Much Observed (Part 432), the Third Day of Unleavened Bread (Part 434), and the Seventh Day of Unleavened Bread (Part 431).

 

When they took the symbols that Passover evening, the Kingdom arrival was not on the docket. It has been the focus in years past, but not this time. Part 432 was clear about it being after that. In some places, the Bible refers to the Days of Unleavened Bread as seven days of Passover. Dave conveniently uses that when he needs to blur his words.

 

“The Passover of Abib 15” is the First Day of Unleavened Bread on April 6.

 

The Night To Be Much Observed (NTBMO) was on April 5 after sunset.

 

The Passover symbols were taken by RCG members on April 4 after sunset, which began Abib 14.

 

I call shenanigans on Dave for saying, "…this was never going to be the Passover of Abib 15," because he did not teach that. He is revising history and relabeling the NTBMO as Passover so he can sell the second Passover. He wants to slip from one Passover to another, not the NTBMO to the second Passover. Doing so makes all this easier to swallow.

 

During Parts 431, 432, and 434, he was very specific about NTBMO and the Days of Unleavened Bread. But as of Part 435, he groups those together as just “Passover” to suit his purpose.

 

“That’s impossible.”

 

If I had an assistant, I would task them with researching all the times David C. Pack declared something he just taught was "impossible" after the fact. But also, when he says how impossible something is, and turns around to proclaim it. Many voices come out of the same mouth.

 

 

Dave establishes the second Passover as a biblical fact, as if anyone in the room was unfamiliar with it. He connects Jesus Christ taking the symbols in the Kingdom of God directly to being on the second Passover.

@ 09:18 Now, let’s imagine. If Christ kept a different day than Iyar 15, what a terrible example to the world. It would be of disobedience to God’s law that brought death for anybody else. That's His backup plan. Absolutely valid.

 

@ 10:54 So, if Christ kept a different day, this would be God (or we might say more directly) Christ saying to the world, “Do as I say, not as I do. I can change the day. You can't. I can keep Wednesday and call it a Sabbath. You can't. I can do what Jeroboam did. He changed the Feast to the eighth month. He can't do it, but I could. And I choose to do it with the Passover.” So, I’m gonna tell you (absolutely) on God’s authority (and we’re just getting started), it is inarguable that Christ could keep the second one.

 

Hearing him speak this way makes me uncomfortable. David C. Pack draws lines that do not need to be made. The man habitually makes irreverent comments without shame or fear, just to make a point. We get it. The second Passover is a real Passover, and Jesus Christ could take the symbols that night.

 

Dave declaring "on God's authority" is his way of saying, “I swear to God.” The way he used it was pointless, but it certainly made things sound dramatic and serious.

 

Even if Jesus Christ returns and drinks wine in the Kingdom of God on Iyar 15, it will not mean David C. Pack was revealing the Mystery of God. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut.

 

 

@ 18:07 Now, I decided to go digging through the Bible for every kind of indicator that we had a full moon, and we had a Passover. Second Passover full moon. 

 

Translation: Once Abib 21 failed, I had to go back to the drawing board with the Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy to drum up a new plan so I could keep my job. The longer I talk, the more convinced you will be.

 

Rather than God using the Bible to reveal knowledge, Dave dug for verses that proved his point. Theologians have been doing this for centuries. If you set a personal goal of proving a specific doctrine, you will find the verses that support your idea.

 

Trinitarians and Sunday-keepers love quoting the Bible. David C. Pack has adopted their methodology. The Holy Spirit moving someone into all truth has gone the way of the dinosaurs ever since prophesying was altered to mean “just teaching what the Bible says.”

 

David C. Pack could not sit on being a fraud. He entered the Bible Scooby-Doo Infinite Hallway going in one door and coming out another. A new moon. A full moon. One month. One year. The first day. The fifteenth day. A Sabbath. Not a Sabbath. The Passover. The Second Passover.

 

This is why David C. Pack will never stop. The Bible provides unlimited resources so he can continue to reconfigure prophetic theories for the next twenty years. The second Passover is his second chance to preserve some of his material and hold on to the illusion he has been on to something special the last few weeks.

 

 

Iyar 15 is on May 6. The Hebrew day begins at sunset the night before. This means the second Passover starts on May 5. But, something else world-eventy happens that weekend, and Dave is tickled pink about it.

@ 32:51 We serve the right God. Another little detail. The Kingdom to Israel would begin on May 6^th.Actually, our time late on the 5^th. Or maybe early on the 5^th. Curious little detail. King Charles is supposta be coronated within hours. It will be the most-watched event in the history of the world, and it's gonna get chopped short. Remember? Remember Ezekiel 21:24-27? It's gonna get cut, chopped short right before he ever puts a crown on. You can’t make that up. Little did we realize, we would get all the way to the 5^th here, which is the 6^th of May, which of course, is the 15^th of Iyar, and he would never be crowned.

 

Since Queen Elizabeth II died on September 8, 2022, Dave has repeated how nobody would be crowned after her. I never spotlighted that because it felt like a nothingburger, and there were bigger fish to fry with his goofy Series.

 

His previous offerings of keen insight into world news have not panned out thus far.

 

Flashback Part 276 – December 26, 2020

@ 33:29 And I will submit to you, Joe Biden will never serve a day in office.

 

Dave’s Cinco de Mayo Kingdom is now tied to the same weekend as the English coronation. Guess who will be served two slices of humble pie that weekend.

 

Part 435 – April 15, 2023

@ 1:01:29 If you think you can get outta this date, have at it. You can’t get outta the date. I don’t think there’s a whole lot of reasons you can’t get outta the year, but you absolutely cannot get out of the date, or you just blow this message up. Just tear it all up.

 

May 6 at 8:28 PM ET is when you can safely tear all this up, RCG brethren. This clip will be posted on YouTube and Facebook to commemorate the moment.

It will be released to coincide if Dave slinks away from Iyar 15 before that. His dramatic mock-tearing of his notes should not be missed.

 

 

This year has been an interesting ride so far. Purim, April Fools’ Day, and Cinco de Mayo. Reserve a slot on your calendar for Flag Day.

 

On May 5, open a tab at El Torito so you can enjoy those Cadillac Margaritas before the bill comes after 8:27 PM ET. My California friends will be making the most out of Happy Hour.

 

Part 435 was the second sitting of 2023. David C. Pack found a second chance in the second Passover for the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

The problem with proclaiming a date for the return of Jesus Christ is that you only get one shot. That was on Elul 24 in 2013. The Bible does not offer false prophets a do-over.

 

David C. Pack is forever disqualified. There are no second chances for him.

 

Flashback Part 429 – March 15, 2023

@ 28:31 The seven days can’t change. Abib cannot change. You know, the chag that closes Abib cannot change. There’s no way we’ve got this wrong. It’s impossible that it’s wrong.

Marc Cebrian
See: Second Chances