Dennis "Musing on Trying and the Weather 'gods'"

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A low pressure system typically brings stormy weather

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The Bible shows that whirlwinds are one of the forms of weather that God controls:

3 The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The Lord has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet. (Nahum 1;3)

If You HAD to Guess--Which Would It Be?

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Job 27:

21 A cyclone sweeps them up — gone!
Not a trace of them left, not even a footprint.
22 Catastrophes relentlessly pursue them;
they run this way and that, but there’s no place to hide —
23 Pummeled by the weather,
blown to kingdom come by the storm.’
 THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson.)

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National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration

NOAA

Severe Weather

Thunderstorms, Tornadoes, and Lightning  - Nature’s most violent storms.

Thunderstorms affect relatively small areas when compared with hurricanes and winter storms. The typical thunderstorm is 15 miles in diameter and lasts an average of 30 minutes. Despite their small size, ALL thunderstorms are dangerous! Of the estimated 100,000 thunderstorms that occur each year in the United States, about 10 percent are classified as severe.

Tornadoes - Although tornadoes occur in many parts of the world, they are found most frequently in the United States.....

• A tornado is a violently rotating column of air extending from a thunderstorm to the ground.
• Tornadoes cause an average of 70 fatalities and 1,500 injuries in the U.S. each year..
• The strongest tornadoes have rotating winds of more than 250 mph.
• Tornadoes can be one mile wide and stay on the ground over 50 miles.
• Tornadoes may appear nearly transparent until dust and debris are picked up or a cloud forms within the funnel. The average tornado moves from southwest to northeast, but tornadoes have been known to move in any direction.
• The average forward speed is 30 mph but may vary from nearly stationary to 70 mph.
• Waterspouts are tornadoes which form over warm water. They can move onshore and cause damage to coastal areas.

Lightning...

• Causes an average of about 60 fatalities and 300 injuries each year.
• Lightning occurs in all thunderstorms; each year lightning strikes the United States 25 million times.
• The energy from one lightning flash could light a 100-watt light bulb for more than 3 months.
• Most lightning fatalities and injuries occur when people are caught outdoors in the summer months during the afternoon and evening.
• Lightning can occur from cloud-to-cloud, within a cloud, cloud-to-ground, or cloud-to-air.
• Many fires in the western United States and Alaska are started by lightning.
• The air near a lightning strike is heated to 50,000°F--hotter than the surface of the sun!
• The rapid heating and cooling of the air near the lightning channel causes a shock wave that results in thunder.
• When Thunder Roars, Go Indoors! - NWS lighnting safety site helps ypu learn more about lightning risks and how to protect yourself, your loved ones and your belongings. The site offers a comprehensive page of handouts, brochures, links and more.

Straight-line Winds...

• Straight-line winds are responsible for most thunderstorm wind damage.
• Winds can exceed 100 mph!
• One type of straight-line wind, the downburst, is a small area of rapidly descending air beneath a thunderstorm
• A downburst can cause damage equivalent to a strong tornado and can be extremely dangerous to aviation.
• A “dry microburst” is a downburst that occurs with little or no rain. These destructive winds are most common in the western United States

Flash Flooding...

• Is the #1 cause of deaths associated with thunderstorms...more than 140 fatalities each year
• Most flash flood fatalities occur at night and most victims are people who become trapped in automobiles.
• Six inches of fast-moving water can knock you off your feet; a depth of two feet will cause most vehicles to float.

Hail...

• Strong rising currents of air within a storm, called updrafts, carry water droplets to a height where freezing occurs.
• Ice particles grow in size, becoming too heavy to be supported by the updraft, and fall to the ground.
• Causes more than $1 billion in damage to property and crops each year.
• Large stones fall at speeds faster than 100 mph

The pagans that surrounded the Hebrews, who historians now feel were merely low class Canaanites of the day who detached from the family instead of battled their way into the Promised Land, felt this guy did all the dirty work.

Baal (Lord) Raingod

The real purpose of Genesis One was NOT to explain how everything was created in reality but to send one clear message to Mr. Baal and all the gods of wind, rain, fire, animals, vegetables and minerals.   Our Hebrew God MADE Your little gods.  And the rest we call the Bible. 

This short essay is not about proving that weather is just weather whether you believe it or not.  It is about common sense in our own times.  It is about superstition gone literal and religion gone nuts.  For thousands of years humans have seen the anger of the gods and of the Hebrew/Christian God in the weather.  That's a very very old superstition.  Humans anthropromorphize the common things of our planet that shape and form it and occasionally run into it into acts of the gods and even today of God. 

This...

Becomes this...

The first is a reality that has erased life from this planet several times in the past and without which humans would not have evolved to the present state.  The second is the humans who have conscious awareness of who they are and that they can die and then what trying to explain it all to themselves.   But that was over the past 100,000 years and we have learned more in the last 200 years than in all of them.  We have learned more in the last 20 years than the last 200. 

Read all the "where were you's in Job asked by YHVH to Job and realize that most if not all those questions that Job was stuck with a "no I don't" answer , today are simple "Sure we do," answers most grade school kids can answer. 

Bob Thiel and others use the ancient "this is where we think it comes from and why" scriptures to motivate people not only to "repent" but in reality to be so impressed by their insights (which are not actually impressive)  and use of ancient ideas that they will come to them , join them and support them. It's a very old gig.  All fundamentalists do the same thing.  Dave Pack motivates with the normal, though violent weather issues on the planet as do they all.  But the conscious or subconscious motive is to get others to join their organizations and support them in the style they want to get used to.  IMHO.  I'm not saying they don't believe their own views or do so insincerely, but I do believe they are stuck in time and selling ignorance and stupid to other sincere folk.  Intelligent stupidity is not a great quality.

"God uses weather and other events to TRY to get people’s attention.
God does NOT WANT people to suffer, but to turn to Him:

Mercy!  If a God wanted to get my attention, just talk to me!  I'm listening if I can prove I am not psychotic or schizophrenic.  God can't "not want" and "want" at the same time.  That's the old "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you," when in fact it does not hurt any God at all and totally hurts humans.  YHVH of the OT does not seem "hurt" by the 2,140,000 or so documented and horrific murders of men women and children who disagree with or never heard of the Hebrew version.  NOT ONE OF THOSE FOLK TURNED TO YHVH because of this approach.

10 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: ‘Thus you say, “If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how can we then live?”‘ 11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’ (Ezekiel 33:10-11)

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Deuteronomy 28:63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.

Proverbs 1:24-26 But since you rejected me when I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh at your disaster; I will mock when calamity overtakes you.

Guess it depends on who you quote

Not every OT prophet saw Baal (Lord) now YHVH (Lord) in the weather.  Or if he did there was a time when YHVH set him straight on that.

1 Kings 19:11-13

King James Version (KJV)

¹¹ And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was NOT in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was NOT in the earthquake:

¹² And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was NOT in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

¹³ And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?"

I'll ask you COG ministers who still use Bronze Age ignorance to motivate people into current age organizations the same question.   What are you doing hiding in the cave of ignorance, fear , guilt and shame?  God doesn't have to try Bob and Dave, I know Haggai and you ain't no Haggai.  

Here is the modern version of that "Still and small voice..."

About 1,500 galaxies are visible in this deep view of the universe, taken by allowing the Hubble Space Telescope to stare at the same tiny patch of sky for 10 consecutive days in 1995. The image covers an area of sky only about width of a dime viewed from 75 feet away.

Or a grain of sand held out at arms length on the end of your finger.

Can you hear the still and small voice now loud mouths


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Thiel's Angry God And Human Disease

Bob Thiel, the non-ordained self-appointed false prophet has been railing for several weeks about his god using tornadoes to punish sinners with.

Last week LCG announced that Rod King has an aggressive form of prostate cancer.  Is Bob Thiel going to start railing that human sickness  is a tool of God to punish sinners?  That is in essence what Bob is saying when he compares tornadoes to sin.

Armstrongism has always looked at physical sin/illnses to be a result of spiritual sin.  Is that the malarkey that Bob Thiel still promotes?  Will Bob Thiel post  a letter to the membership stating such thing?

Bob Thiel: More Tornadoes, More Bad Weather, All Because God Is Punishing Them For Being Such Grievous Sinners Sinners

More tornadoes hit the heartland last night, and one even struck Moore OK again.  As usual, the  non-ordained self-appointed prophet Thiel is back telling the citizens of the Midwest that they are being punished by God for their dirty sins.  For some reason Bob takes delight in promoting such an angry pissed off god.

The Bible shows that whirlwinds are one of the forms of weather that God controls:

3 The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The Lord has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet. (Nahum 1:3)

God teaches that because of disobedience He will scatter people and use a whirlwind:
8 Then the word of the Lord came to Zechariah, saying, 9 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:

‘Execute true justice,
Show mercy and compassion
Everyone to his brother.
10 Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless,
The alien or the poor.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart
Against his brother.’

11 But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear. 12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it happened, that just as He proclaimed and they would not hear, so they called out and I would not listen,” says the Lord of hosts. 14 “But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations which they had not known. Thus the land became desolate after them, so that no one passed through or returned; for they made the pleasant land desolate.” (Zechariah 7:8-14)
21 A cyclone sweeps them up — gone!
Not a trace of them left, not even a footprint.
22 Catastrophes relentlessly pursue them;
they run this way and that, but there’s no place to hide —
23 Pummeled by the weather,
blown to kingdom come by the storm.’
(Job 27:21-23, THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson.)

Then to reinforcehis tornado metpahores he resorts to Jeremiah:

The following, presuming it is intended literally, indicates that there will be a very major tornado in the time of the end:

9 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord has gone forth in fury —
A violent whirlwind!
It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the Lord will not turn back
Until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart.
In the latter days you will understand it perfectly. (Jeremiah 23:19-20)
23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord
Goes forth with fury,
A continuing whirlwind;
It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.
24 The fierce anger of the Lord will not return until He has done it,
And until He has performed the intents of His heart.
In the latter days you will consider it. (Jeremiah 30:23-24)

Bob never quotes from the Gospel messages but slobbers all over Hebrew scriptures meant for a certain people at a certain point in time.

God uses weather and other events to try to get people’s attention.
God does not want people to suffer, but to turn to Him:

10 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: ‘Thus you say, “If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how can we then live?”‘ 11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’ (Ezekiel 33:10-11)

God wants people everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). He uses weather for correction and for His mercy (Job 37:13).

 

Dave Pack: With All Competition Soon Gone God Will FINALLY Be Able To Do His Work!!!!!!!!!!

What a weak, impotent, pussy-whipped god it is that Dave follows.  The poor thing just cannot get his work done because of all the interfering splinter group leaders out there.  Why won't they just go away!!!!!!!!!!!! Never fear though, SuperD is here!. 

With the soon coming demise of the three large splinter group leaders, SuperD comes to the rescue!

With ALL competition gone, The Restored Church of God will be the instrument through which Almighty God does “again” the Work accomplished under Mr. Armstrong’s leadership—and will thus be the only organization finishing God’s Work. May God help you see your potential role in this effort. Some in the “houses” have read these Friday announcements and already come with us as a direct result. (In fact, we just grew in numeric attendance by a greater amount in May than the United Church of God announced it grew in the last 12 months.) Do not miss your chance to be part of what God is doing. And do not miss next week’s announcement! It is every bit as exciting as this one.

Yes Davey, we know.  It's all about numbers.  You are SuperDave after all.