CGI: Rumbling With Jeff Reed and Vance Stinson

 

Adrian Davis: Vance & Jeff Need to Repent Before Passover!

Lonnie Hendrix

This past Sabbath (March 2), CGI Canada Pastor Adrian Davis preached a sermon titled “From the Beginning (Part 2).” Now, as with anything posted online by the Burlington congregation, the message appeared on the right-wing platform known as Rumble. Likewise, the Medina, Ohio congregation has adopted the same platform for their messaging. “Why have these two congregations adopted this particular forum?” you ask. Because of pushback they received from CGI headquarters about their right-wing political messaging and anti-public health stance during the recent COVID-19 pandemic. Indeed, folks like Vance Stinson and Jeff Reed made clear to the folks in both places that they were endangering the larger church’s continued access to the YouTube platform to present their version of the Gospel message. “Why?” Because YouTube has a policy against posting false or misleading information on their platform!

In addition to their sermons, CGI Burlington has also posted a political discussion each week on Rumble. They call it “Keeping Watch,” and it usually consists of Pastors Adrian Davis, Murray Palmatier, and Deacon Jan Kowalczyk talking about current events from a conservative, Armstrongist perspective (especially events in the United States, Canada, and Europe). Folks who love Republicans, Capitalists, and isolationists and hate Democrats, Socialists, and Internationalists would probably appreciate this programming. Indeed, if you like Fox News, you’ll probably love this program.

Returning to the sermon, which is the focus of this post, Pastor Davis is not so subtly pushing back against those folks in CGI leadership who have “sowed the seeds of betrayal” by not supporting and appreciating their messaging. Indeed, Pastor Davis gives CGI a grade of a (C-) for their failure to proclaim the “truth” about things like vaccines and having the audacity to criticize their political messaging.

Pastor Davis main theme is that Jesus and Peter confronted strife and controversy by giving context to what was currently happening – telling the story “From the beginning.” For him, this means being faithful to the Torah and the Prophets. You see, unlike most Christians, Armstrongites believe that Christians are still bound by many of the tenets of the Old Covenant. Indeed, they don’t like the term “New Covenant” very much. They like to think of it as an updated or revised version of the old one! Instead of viewing the contents of Torah and the Prophets as pointing to Jesus Christ and his work, they believe that Christians should be actively applying those commandments, principles, and predictions to themselves in the here and now! For Davis, the prophets of the Old Testament and the covenant which God made with Israel and Judah were really intended for the Church and the English-speaking peoples of the world. In fact, he likens the Christian perspective on the Old Testament to a child discovering that things don’t disappear or cease to exist when they can’t see them (what’s known as object permanence). For Davis, the message is the same one that was delivered to the Israelites of old – all of that political stuff is part of the “true” Gospel.

In this way, Davis can be in a state of open defiance and rebellion against those traitors within CGI leadership while professing his allegiance to the truth of the Bible. In other words, Pastor Davis has a clear message for folks like Vance Stinson and Jeff Reed: Repent of your betrayal of folks like him, Murray Palmatier, Bill Watson, and their supporters. His real message is to the folks within CGI leadership who have opposed his messaging. Davis doesn’t see how these folks could partake of the Passover with a clear conscience. For him, John’s first epistle was meant for folks like Vance and Jeff! “How can you truly love your brother while you are opposing him at every turn?” he wonders. For Davis, these hateful/sinful folks need to get with the program and let go of their resentment of the folks like him who are standing in the light! If you’re like me, you’re probably thinking: “Man, is this guy full of himself or what?”

Dave Pack: "I've studied the length of Christ's ministry more than anybody else." Therefore, I know he returns "Jerusalem sundown on April 8th"

 

The Greatest Unending Retcon

Pastor General David C. Pack drags the brethren of The Restored Church of God on a meandering journey through prophetic nonsense and biblical misunderstanding. He is a documented false prophet and arrogant liar, proudly knowing nothing. He is ever-learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. That cannot and will not change.

Harboring doctrines of antichrist, the ravening wolf disguised as a lamb speaks words of a dragon cursing death upon the sheep that wandered off. He seeks none. He heals none. He feeds none. Eating the Common flesh of the fat, he makes merchandise of the brethren and wipes his mouth, “I have done no wickedness.”

“The Greatest Story Never Told!” began on November 14, 2015. Nobody could have imagined the blasphemous horror show it would become. The joy-crushing relentlessness of constant revisions, reversals, modifications, clarifications, and contradictions are sustained by gaslighting, shaming, deception, manipulation, and intimidation.

The weak hireling enablers at Headquarters, including Bradford Schleifer, Ryan Denee, Edward Winkfield, Jaco Viljoen, Carl Houk, Salasi Jezhi, Frank Lydick, Andrew Holcombe, James Habboush, and very lastly, Raymond Garb, are culpable in allowing the madness of David C. Pack to continue.

The unpaid field mollusks like Brian Jackson, Larry Cockshutt, and Wulphert de Graaf are complacent puppets supporting RCG’s fraudulent delusions.

A YouTube playlist for historical preservation titled If More Time was created to illustrate a point. Only fools believe the words of David C. Pack. And not even David C. Pack does that.

These two clips are crossing the one-year mark, proving nothing said in them came to pass.

Flashback Part 422 – February 18, 2023
@ 35:33 I’m not a hypocrite. I can’t stand up here and undo what I said in the last message.

By his own mouth, he has said it. That summarizes what he has been doing for the past eight years.

During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 494)” on February 24, 2024, David C. Pack sat up there and undid what he said in the last message.

The Kingdom of God structure of 4-100-1000 is now 7-100-1000.

69 Weeks of Daniel’s 70 Weeks Prophecy have already occurred.

The last prophetic 7-Year Week will begin on Abib 1, 2024.

 

Words David C. Pack still has not learned to stop uttering in 3…2…1…

Part 494 – February 24, 2024
@ 33:49 I hope I'm going slow enough, being careful enough that this can’t be misunderstood.

The man who most claims to see reveals himself to be blind.

@ 35:26 The only week left is the Opening Kingdom. That it is the Opening Kingdom that is seven years. But, I’ve gotta show you how we reckon this. So, one week.

I think he meant to say, “I’ve gotta show you how we retcon this.”

According to Merriam-Webster, “Retcon is a shortened form of retroactive continuity, and refers to a literary device in which the form or content of a previously established narrative is changed.”

David C. Pack is a biblical time traveler who insists on rolling back the clock to create a new branch of RCG doctrinal reality that he prays the brethren will not notice.

More than just eating words and eating more words, the perpetual retcons are a cautionary tale describing the majority of “The Greatest Unending Story!”

Part 494 covers Daniel 9’s 70 Weeks Prophecy and how a 7-Year Kingdom starting April 8, 2024, will complete the last whole prophetic week.

So, the “proven” 4-Year Kingdom from Part 493 was just poppycock. While claiming God's authority on His Sabbath, how can David C. Pack so shamelessly retcon all these statements?

Flashback Part 493 – February 17, 2024
@ 00:37 This will be an astounding sermon. Even though we’ll cover just two things that no one ever saw. No one (even through this long Series) ever dreamed that we could come this far…but you really don’t expect either of the two things that I’m gonna tell you now.

An astounding sermon that needed to be 50% retconned the following week. For the sake of new readers, it is often reported on exrcg.org that more than half of the Series is correcting the other half. This has been consistently proven.

@ 29:01 So, the idea that there is a seven-year kingdom is as dead ‘n gone as yesterday. I mean, that’s gone with the wind.

@ 31:19 And many, many, many questions you have are gonna just die.

Like Lazarus, the 7-Year Kingdom and many, many, many questions were resurrected by David C. Pack standing outside the tomb uttering, “Come forth” before the people.

@ 31:03 …in the First Kingdom, which we now know is not one year. It's not one year. I'm gonna tell ya exactly how long it is. And you're gonna be shocked. You're gonna be in awe of what it means to go first. They’re gonna go away. They’ll be gone with the wind when we understand these things.

The shock and awe for the All-Believing Zealots of an exactly 4-Year Kingdom was “returned to sender.”

@ 1:57:02 It’s simple. 4-100-1000. Not 1-7-1000. 4-100-1000…Simple. No Elijahn period other than a man who would be here explaining all of this. There is simplicity in Christ. The picture is easy.

Just not easy enough to get right.

It seems the non-biblical Elijahn period is fulfilled when a man explains all this totally wrong. Okay, not wrong. Just in need of some intense retcon.

 

During Part 494’s introduction, Dave could not stomach revealing he was about to retcon vast swaths of the last message. Instead of being honest, he alluded to more extraordinary things as a form of verbal lubrication to manipulate the path leading to significant corrections.

The words of his mouth are smoother than butter and softer than oil.

Part 494 – February 24, 2024
@ 00:36 Well, WE learned new numbers for the years, iterations before the Millennium. WE saw four years in front of a hundred. Now, a single giant item will be covered today… And I suppose WE’d been allowed to be coming to this place in a sense for a long time.

@ 01:17 Something shockingly simple came to light. And I’ll make it easy. And I mean really easy. I could not have dreamed I would see this so suddenly, and it would be so simple and so easy.

@ 01:44 So, let’s see God’s plan made easier and better.

Instead of Part 493 being a waste of time, it was merely preparation for a better plan.

@ 02:09 I don’t know if I’ve ever been as excited to give a message as I am on this one. This is the game changer. And again, it’s something we’ve been coming to for a long time.

It remains to be seen how much of Dave’s excitement survived when he gives Parts 495 and 496 today.

@ 02:19 So, let’s be sure that we’re thorough and accurate. I’m gonna show you something and then bring one powerful proof after another, and after another, and you will never walk out so inspired but also so deeply sobered as you will at the end of this message…

Dave spoon feeds 100% medical grade malarkey whipped into nutrient-free fluff. He said nothing, and it meant nothing. He preconditioned the brethren to accept whatever vomit he was about to spew.

The retcon of prophetic doctrines has never been so wonderful but required reminders in case some brethren were not swallowing it.

@ 09:52 We're gonna read it, and it’s gonna hit you like an anvil outta the sky.

@ 17:33 But, I promise you. Scholars don’t know.

@ 20:18 Truly, it’s this prophecy that has been sealed to the time of the end. And I’m gonna unseal it in powerful fashion before we leave tonight.

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.

David C. Pack unsealed a prophecy. Not God. Sometimes, he lets his guard down just enough to betray a glimpse of who and what he really is. Ignore that at your own peril.

 

@ 35:58 He'll do it for one week, and none of that week is in the past. I'll tell you in a minute why Worldwide got confused about it.

The Worldwide Church of God, the impersonal disembodied corporate entity, got confused. No, not Dave's beloved "Father in Another Gospel," aka Herbie Got-Nuttin-Right Armstrong. Dave is careful not to upset the fading old timers in case they are sitting on postmortem funds.

Due to his own flawless record, David C. Pack is the most qualified WCG Monday Morning Quarterback on earth today. Grant him all the honor he is due.

This next section is skimming fodder for the bullet points crowd, but it is meat and potatoes for the Daniel 9 “70 Weeks Prophecy” enthusiasts.

 @ 24:43 Well, the confusion ends now.

@ 26:26 Well, if you study the New Testament as I have and my brother has like nobody who’s ever lived (literally), and you cannot find when His ministry began in 27 AD or thereabouts, you’re stymied. You’re stymied.

@ 28:02 I’m gonna hafta show you what the Bible says it means when it says, “unto the Messiah.” I’m gonna show you. I’m gonna show you. And, yes, it does come off 457 [BCE]. And, yes, we are gonna find there are seven years left that have not been carried out.

@ 28:58 And I would think I've studied maybe more than my brother. I've studied the length of Christ's ministry more than anybody else.

@ 37:55 So, 1260 days or 42 months that are all 30-day months after the New Heavens and New Earth under the Eighth Head cannot be cannot be 1290 days before the New Heavens and New Earth. Impossible. I knew, and I’ve known for a long time without ever quite being able to pin it all down, this was eventually all gonna become math. Math.

Oh boy. More math. Dave needs to stay clear of biblical math like Harold Camping eventually learned. He also needs to avoid over-analyzing Hebrew and Greek. Even English is a challenge for him. In fact, it would serve Dave well to set his Bible down and go fishing for a few days to help clear that rotten mush in his head.

@ 38:50 And in the midst of the week at 1290 to go, I’ll explain midst. It doesn’t mean exact. I’ve done more research on the meaning of the word ḥēṣî than probably, you know, the Hebrew scholar who invented the word.

David C. Pack actually believes things like this. And there is nobody around brave enough to challenge him. Saying it makes it true in the candy glass doctrinal menagerie of David C. Pack.

He concluded that "unto Messiah" meant when Jesus Christ was baptized by John the Baptist. That was his super-big, exciting revelation. I apologize for underselling it with minimal verve.

@ 57:40 Now, we must accept 483 years to Christ's becoming the Messiah on faith in God's word, believing one week remains. And, as I said, seven years really is an eon… Making 69 weeks Christ's death, not His arrival, breaks the math and only leaves three years.

Faith in God’s word, not faith in David C. Pack’s fickle interpretation of God’s word. The depth of his convictions rings familiar with his continuous retcon of Daniel’s 1335 last year.

Dave fell down the 1335 rabbit hole for several months and could not climb out of it until he eventually gave up, rolled on his back, and exposed his belly and genitals in defeat.

He had to retcon Daniel’s 1335. How long until he retcons the 70 Weeks Prophecy?

What is the point of bragging you figured out what scholars for centuries did not if you cannot also reinforce a date for Jesus Christ’s return?

@ 1:04:26 We should expect an exact seven years from Jerusalem sundown on Abib 1. The other seven years, 69 times, were exactly seven years…

@ 1:04:46 So, when you get to the last seven years, you should expect an exact moment. And that's why I tell you I think I finally understand why. If the Goodman of the House had known in what hour and what watch the thief would come, he would've watched, and he woulda told his house. So, the only thing I can tell you is exactly seven years, Jerusalem sundown on April 8^th is what we’re waiting for. …I'm sorry, it's another, you know, 43 and a half days away.

One fun fact is that as of Part 494, David C. Pack STILL has no idea there will be an eclipse in Ohio on April 8, 2024. Then, I consider poor Mrs. Pack. That will undoubtedly be an epic laundry day in the history of the Pack household.

After Dave finds out there will be 100% totality over the Wadsworth Campus during a new moon while it is Abib 1 in Jerusalem, he will soil his underwear. All three ways.

I giggle thinking of Dave standing with his hands on his hips, looking out the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium window at 2:45 PM on April 8, and only then noticing the daylight is not normal.

“What is going on out there?” “Oh, Mr. Pack, there is a total solar eclipse this afternoon.” “What? Did you know about this?” “Everyone knows, sir.”

How much mental rehearsing has Brad already performed, practicing the spin he plans to use on Dave when he storms into his office and slams the door shut? The ladies at their desks in the hallway will get an earful unless they are already outside with their eclipse glasses on.

 

The Greatest Unending Retcon will continue unabated and unfulfilled because David C. Pack does not hold God's authority and does not reveal divine knowledge. He can string together all the Bible verses he wants and create pointless lists numbered into the hundreds, but none will prove true.

The Spirit of Error celebrates a perpetual Mardi Gras at Headquarters with hysterical laughter as the false apostle winds himself up into a euphoric frenzy only to dismantle his own ideas soon after.

Nobody is more capable of relentlessly retconning the teachings of David C. Pack than David C. Pack. Sitting back and watching him destroy his own doctrines would be amusing if not for all the broken people trapped within the walls of that spiritually bankrupt organization.

There is much tragedy living in The Restored Church of God, and nobody can retcon the pain David C. Pack, and the hireling enablers at Headquarters have caused.

What shall be the end of these things? Nobody knows for sure. But it will not go well for David C. Pack, the adversarial Retcon King of his own follies.

Marc Cebrian

See: The Greatest Unending Retcon

Bible Angels: Not Your Gift Shop Variety

  Ummmm....NO

MORE LIKE IT

 

I have said for years that all Bible Angels are men, while all gift shop Angels are women. This may or may not be universally true. 

Personally, I feel Ezekiel's vision of what he imagines a Cherub to look like is based on the astro-theology of the day when constructing a Cherub based the four seasons of Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall Constellations. 

While we have NETFLIX the ancients and the prophets had NIGHTFLIX. Or it is just a coincidence. 

Some say Ezekiel had good drugs....  :)

Winter: Face of a Man=Aquarius the Waterman

...exactly three months later

Spring: Face of a Bull=Taurus

...exactly three months later

Summer: Leo=Face of a Lion

...exactly three months later

Fall: Aquilla= The Eagle

 

Ezekiel 1:4-28

4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

 

Revelation has a bit of a different take but close to Ezekiel's. But the Order of the 4 Seasons differs presented as Summer/Leo, Spring/Calf, Winter/Man and Fall/Aquilla the Eagle. Each here have six wings expression the 24 hour day.

The Throne is the Circumpolar Constellation, Cassiopeia which in the "sides of the North". The Sea of Glass like crystal is the Milky Way that passes over and before Cassiopeia, "the Throne".

Revelation 4:5

5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God.

"In front of the throne"the Seven Spirits of God" which are the Seven stars of the Big Dipper directly opposite Cassiopeia

The wings "full of eyes" are the stars behind what are perceived as the wings. 

It is truly "As above...so below"

Revelation 4:6-9

6 Before the throne there 5was la sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 7 nThe first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. 8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:

Holy, 6holy, holy,

Lord God Almighty,

Who was and is and is to come!”

PCG: Did Dennis Leap Actually Say This With A Straight Face?

 

The Church of God's decades-long drought of prophetic accuracy has never stopped its poorly trained theologians from weighing in on other people's predictions.

In the latest issue of PCG's The Trumpet, they have an article up on the craziness of "blood moons" myths occupying the minds of prophecy addicts both in and outside of Armstrongism. It is written by Dennis Leap who is not known for being theologically grounded in his understanding.

In Leap's article, he mocks John Hagee and Marck Blitz on their blood moon obsession. Leap has this to say:

Although the two men leave themselves an out—using the words could and possibly—when reading their books and surfing their websites, it is clear that both are convinced they are on to something big prophetically. 

Well, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black! Just look at today's crop of lying COG false prophets, particularly the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel. Those two words and "maybe" are spoken more than the name Jesus ever is. It is almost like all COG false prophets went to the same school to learn how to say, "could be, maybe, and possibly" every time they open their theologically bankrupt mouths.

While one might applaud their interest in Bible prophecy, can you prove the truth about what they are saying and publishing?

When have Gerald Flurry, Bob Thiel, Dave Pack and Ron Weinland EVER spoken the truth in a sermon or published in an article? Don't condemn the world when your own households are pig-slop troughs of misinformation!

History is chock full of people’s prognostications that proved to be profitless.

History has proven Armstrongism to be prophetless and at the same time profitable for raking in the money as they scare people to death. 

Toward the end of his article, he has this:

It is a historical fact that God has always worked through a human being to tell people what He was going to do on Earth. God is faithful to reveal His secrets to those people truly serving Him (Amos 3:7). He then requires those people to share that message with anyone willing to listen (verse 8). 

How can it be Gerald DLurry when we are supposed to believe that the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel is the chosen one?  

Judging by the Old and New Testaments, it would be strange if God didn’t have someone delivering His prophetic message today (Acts 3:24). It would also be strange not to have multitude of false prophets around. 

The Church of God currently has almost 88 years filled with a multitude of lying false prophets.  

The major sects of organized Christianity cannot help you understand prophecy. Most of today’s so-called Christian leaders reject Bible history and prophecy as an exercise in futility. Few even believe in the return of Jesus Christ and the end of this age. That is the main reason you will not hear sermons on prophecy in the great cathedrals and churches of the Western world.

The major sects of Armstrongism cannot help you understand prophecy. They have lied to us and continue to lie to us with their own futile interpretations. There is not a single sermon preached or an article written in any of the COG's on prophecy that anyone can take with a grain of salt. It is impossible to do so.

Those scattered voices that do focus on prophecy do not agree on what specific prophecies mean. And as we can see, they rely on their own reasoning rather than on Jesus Christ and the Bible to interpret God’s prophecies.

With well over 400 splinter groups of Armstrongism out there you will find over 400 different interpretations of prophecy.

Yet, just as He always has, Christ is delivering God’s prophetic message through His true Church today—the Church He founded and promised would never die (Matthew 16:18). He challenges you to find out whom He is using—who is interpreting the prophecies of the Bible using the Bible.

Truth never died or was lost 1800 years ago and then was suddenly found in an Oregon library. 

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation,” warned Peter (verse 20). Be careful what you read prophetically. Believe God and His Word, rather than giving heed to some man who thinks he knows. Then you will be able to follow Jesus Christ’s admonition with absolute confidence, “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh” (Luke 21:28)

Be careful what you read from any Church of God self-appointed false prophet when it comes to so-called prophetic understanding. There is no need for prophets anymore in the church. That era closed down centuries ago on Calvary.