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Wednesday, February 22, 2012
COGS2TR Has Designed a New National Flag
There is now a new flag for the United States. It has been designed by as Church of God member. That alone should make you say, "Oh, give me a break!" Our intrepid loony tune at the Church of God Speaking to the Remnant splinter cult has done just that.
All of you back sliding Laeodiceans now have something to unite you into a dynamic cause. Take a look at your new flag:
Tuesday, February 21, 2012
LCG Pastor: Valentines Day: A Day For Beating Women With Animal Skins
The fun never ceases in Living Church of God. If you bought a Valentines Day card for your sweetheart you were taking part in a ritual that allows for beating of women with bloody animal flesh. That ranks right up there with the other favorite of Meredithism - red ornaments on Christmas trees are bull's testicles. I have to say I have seen more "yucky" things at Armstrongite Feast of Tabernacles sites than I ever have on Valentines day.
What is with Meredithism that is is so focused on blood, guts and gore? They have went from beating women with animal skins to Meredith advocating spanking them. So what is really the difference here?
Whatever.
The origins of Valentine’s Day are very clearly pagan and pre-Christian. Research into the details of where it came from can take you all sorts of places (some very yucky places, frankly), but standing out among them is Lupercalia, a pagan fertility ritual celebrated in February that involved, among other things, animal sacrifices (goats and dogs, apparently) and whipping women with strips made from the animals’ bloody flesh. Yes, I wish I was kidding.
If you want to just dip your toes a wee bit into the origins of Valentine’s Day, the History channel website is making it easy, with an interactive graphic (I’m not sure why a graphic that doesn’t do anything but sit there is called “interactive,” but there you go) and a video that shows a painting (apparently by Jon Foster) of a fellow looking delightfully popish presiding over a sacrifice-the-critter-and-hit-the-ladies-with-carcass-straps ceremony. (Full disclosure: The History channel video also shows old “classic” paintings with naked people. What is it with “classic” artists and naked people?)
So, no pagan, hit-your-woman-with-bloody-animal-parts, Lupercalia-warmed-over, Jeremiah 10:2 (et al.)-violating Valentine’s Day for me, thanks!
Valentine’s Day: A day for beating women with bloody animal skins?
Wallace Smith
One thing I do have to hand to Wallace Smith is that he allows comments on his blog and he actually carries on a half way decent conversations with those that disagree with him, which is NOT something that would happen with Prophet Robert Thiel.
Idiots In The Pulpit: Buzz Aldren Does What Many People Would Like To Do!
Here is an idiot minister who claims Buzz Aldren never walked on the moon.
Pay close attention towards the end of the clip to see Aldren do what so many people would
like to do to some ministers (including many in Armstrongism).
Van Robison on "Are You Offended Because Many Challenge the Validity of the Bible?"
Are You Offended Because Many Challenge the Validity of the Bible?
Searching for answers does not mean that one must automatically accept that the entire Bible is pure truth. Nor does it mean that everything in the Bible is fiction. Some don't like what they call "cherry picking", but who reads a newspaper and believes that everything in it is true, or that it is without bias? It is very true that none of us would believe in Jesus Christ without the four Gospels and what we read about the life of Christ. It has been passed down from that time forward. We can either believe that Jesus Christ in fact is real and did exist or alternatively we can choose to not believe. Either way, Jesus Christ has never appeared to any of us in a physical and visible form and spoken with us, so then all belief in Jesus is strictly based upon FAITH. It is more than obvious that there would be no faith in Jesus without the Bible. Still that does not make everything penned in the Bible---truth, as apologists want everyone to believe.
For those who want to believe that the Bible is 100% total truth, you have to admit that you only believe that based upon "faith" and not because you can prove it. Many attempt to prove the Bible is infallible and inerrant, but it is impossible to do so. Quoting from the Bible itself is not proof that it proves itself, simply because any human writer throughout history with pen in hand could write "thus saith the Lord" or any type of similar saying and then proceed to pen anything they wished to that phrase in an attempt to cause the readers to believe that God was the author, when He was not. Like anyone I also quote from the Bible. If faith in Jesus Christ hinges totally upon the belief that everything in the Bible from cover to cover is absolute truth, then it seems to me that those who think that way, do not really place faith in Christ, but in INK on PAPER.
There are two books in the Old Testament that do not so much as mention God and yet we are suppose to believe that these two accounts are "inspired" by God? As with everything else, I have read how Bible apologists defend this issue, but it does not hold water. The word "Easter" is found in the New Testament and it is a very obvious and flagrant insertion and not based upon the real meaning of the word from the original. Should we deny Jesus Christ because even one word in the Bible is found to be a complete fraud? The idea that you "cannot" believe in Jesus Christ "unless" you accept that the entire Bible is the infallible and inerrant word of God, is simply not reality. I for one do believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and at the same time I discount that many things in the Bible are inspired by God. What is the real reason people are offended by those who question the validity of the Bible in many parts of it?
Some sources have published entire books about the origin of the Bible and as with all other issues in human life, there are disagreements and differences of opinion. On one side there are those who publish books in
defense of the "inspiration" of the Bible and then there are those who publish books dealing with many of the issues in the Bible and challenging what is said. Often times it is the Bible apologists who attack the person
rather than confronting the subject matter and issues. So when those who challenge subjects in the Bible such as who really authored the first five books of the Old Testament, the worldwide flood and Noah's ark and many other issues, the authors are often slandered.
Is it possible to confront facts, rather than to deal with issues on an emotional level? We see the identical tug-of-war with "Biblical" archaeology. On one side, there are those who publish their "findings" and assert that they have positive proof that the Old Testament is valid history and there are those who publish books detailing that archaeology proves that O.T. history has been greatly distorted as to what truth really is. So who do you believe? Each side cast stones at the other. I am not sure that it is even humanly possible to not have preconceived bias.
I am not sure what the issue is with Bible apologists, because it is not sufficient that one believes in Jesus Christ, unless one also accepts that the Bible is the total word of God. Why is that? Again, of course no one would believe in Jesus Christ without the Bible, but must we believe that it is totally true in every detail? I wonder why Jesus Christ taught to BEWARE of false prophets and teachers, unless such people put words in the mouth of God that are not true, and Jesus knew it. Is what is called "the Bible" an exception to potential deception? I wonder why Jeremiah in the Old Testament spoke about LYING SCRIBES, false prophets, false pastors and false teachers? How much of what we read in the Bible came from such sources? So we read that "all scripture is given by inspiration of God" and yet we have no clue exactly what that "all scripture" is, that is supposed to be inspired by God. The writers and those who compiled the many different writings into one volume and called it "the Bible", could just as easily have inserted many other works or deleted from some texts they included and they would still call it the "Holy" Bible and people would believe it.
I seriously doubt that God Almighty sat down at His desk, penned the Bible in His own hand writing and then sent it to earth by Fed-Ex or Ups. Did He really dictate word for word what we read, to those who penned it? I would suggest that if anyone believes in Jesus Christ, while doubting Bible infallibility, then that is OK. In fact if one wants to be an atheist, that is their decision. No one but God Himself really knows all truth and I have no doubt that there is no human being who ever lived, apart from Jesus Christ who understood then or now what all truth is. Casting stones never serves a good purpose. Jesus even stated once, that he that is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone (talking about the woman taken in an adultery).
To proclaim that if one does not believe the Bible from cover to cover is totally inspired by God, misses the point that Jesus Christ never taught such a belief. In fact Jesus Christ never mentioned a book called the New Testament, which was penned many years after the life of Christ, nor did Jesus mention the name of a man called the "apostle" Paul, or speak of a book called the book of "Revelation." We all have an emotional attachment to what we want to believe.
Van Robison
Van Robison on "Obsessed About the Bible"
Obsessed About the Bible
The "Bible" the "Bible", the "Bible" and one would think that "the Bible" is God. It borders on stupidity. Anyone who views endless websites on the Internet has to know that many are obsessed with the so called "Bible" as if the Bible is God Himself. The fangs come out when Bible apologists are challenged about the validity of the Bible. Like vampires, Bible apologists sink their teeth into the necks of anyone who challenges the "infallibility" of the Bible. I know from personal experience that Bible apologists will often attack anyone who challenges their religious position. I wonder if Bible apologists would even nail other humans to a cross or stake for opposing Bible infallibility? I have encountered a number of apologists, who ALWAYS see things from the perspective of God being the author of human writings called "the Bible."
Bible obsession is overwhelming in the world we live in. It is the source and foundation of the belief system for millions of human beings the world over. Bible obsession is overpowering. I wonder if God Himself just
shakes His head at human beings in utter disbelief of how stupid human beings can be? Oh yes, humans are very intelligent, just not in the area of religious understanding. Obsession with the Bible is a major issue
in the world of Churchianity, including the Worldwide Church of God and its paraplegic clones. Yes folks, the splinter groups of the Worldwide Church of God are living in spiritual wheelchairs. They are spiritually crippled.
When your religious thinking has been formed in cement, it is next to impossible to breath. It is sad for those who live in constant "fear" that they will lose their salvation or eternal life if they do not conform to the thinking
of the "spiritual" leaders of the particular group they are cemented in. Many are stuck in spiritual glue. Humans caught in the web of deception, often are scarred for years or even life, by the fraud that destroyed their
innocence. No wonder Jesus Christ denounced man-made religion as reflected in Matthew 23 and you wonder why "modern" day churches don't see themselves in the mirror?
Believe it or not, when I took a voluntary exit from employment at Ambassador College in Pasadena, California in October, 1974, I was told by the office manager that "if you lose your salvation, it won't be because of us."
That is typical of cult mentality and it is pure 100% stupidity. The thought was that since I was leaving voluntary, I was forfeiting my salvation by renouncing the Worldwide Church of God. Unfortunately, the Bible is an obsession with Churchianity and it is in fact their "God" and specifically as each "pastor" and each church organization interprets it.
Van Robison
Church of God Couple In Prison Over Beating Children With 2"x4"s, Metal Pipes, and Whips
While these disgusting parents were not typical of COG parents, they did represent many in the fringe element of the church that had the same attitude. Armstrongism has always attracted a fringe group of people who are attracted to all the death, doom and destruction supposedly to be coming on the world. These people are also the ones who are into the conspiracy theories, concentration camps, into survivalist/white supremacy and other aberrant beliefs. These people also look at any writings of the founders, HWA/GTA, Rod Meredith, Gerald Flurry and Dave Pack and others, as God inspired and therefore equal to the Bible. These people have bought into the aberrant beliefs of Armstrongism and have taken it to a darker level.
You all know who I am speaking of. Every church area had a couple of families or members who were like this. Their women wore long dresses with sleeves, no make up. Personal hygiene was not a necessary part of life. Their cars were old run down things that somehow miraculously got them to church each week. They either lived in low income areas or on land outside of town that was set back from the road, hidden from view. Abandoned cars, trash, run down homes and trailers was the scenery. Their Bibles were the Moffat translation with it's wide margins so color coded that you would never recognize it as a Bible. They were almost always hard core legalists who would get bent out of shape at the slightest infractions by others. Their church face was one of pious humility in following God to the letter of the law. Their mantra was. "God looks at the inward things of the heart and not at the outward appearances."
However, once they got in their cars to go home they were returning to a different world. Husbands beat their wives, parents beat their children, children were starved and locked up. Child abuse was rampant, mentally, physically and sexually.
Now back to the Oregon Church of God couple. Their names were Robyn and Graydon Drown from Turner Oregon.
The Drown's took Herbert Armstrong's, Garner Ted's and Rod Meredith's child rearing tactics to heart and to the extreme. In the early years of the church the Church of God advocated corporal punishment as the highest form of child training. HWA, Merdith and others thundered from the pulpit child rearing sermons. Parents were to spank their children for being rebellions. In the Dayton area, Carn Catherwood, fresh out of Ambassador College Pasadena, told parents from the pulpit that they were to spank their children 25 times and that he wanted to hear the swats carry out into the meeting room. Spokesman Club, as a fundraiser, sold one inch thick paddles with holes drilled through them to cut down on wind resistance. These paddles were covered with scripture advocating spanking.
The Drown's actually moved from California which has harsh corporal punishment laws to Alaska where they could dish out punishment without restrictions while maintaining their ties to the WCG. After the WCG started making its theology changes the Drowns then jumped ship to be "Jewish". Graydon had been injured in an accident and claimed that his recovered lead him to Judaism. It was eventually the Rabbi that help put them into prison. No Church of God minister ever intervened in these kids lives.
Robyn Drown (nee Lewis) and Graydon Drown both grew up in Alaska. As children she and Graydon attended church congregations of the Worldwide Church of God about 100 miles apart, but their families knew each other. Graydon Drown then moved closer to Anchorage and began attending the same church as she did. Robyn Lewis and Graydon Drown were married, with Robyn's parents consent, when Robyn was 15. Their first child was born a few months later. Following their marriage Robyn and Graydon Drown lived in California, Alaska, Oregon, and Hawaii. Leading a sparse and insulated lifestyle, at one point the entire family set up camp near Mill City in a sport utility vehicle and a tent. The children who testified this week said they never attended school or saw a doctor or dentist. Portland IndyMedia
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Robyn and Graydon Drown were raised in Alaska, about 100 miles apart. Both of their families attended the Worldwide Church of God, a fundamentalist sect dictated by oversight from church elders and stringent moral codes.When Graydon Drown moved to Anchorage, Alaska, as a young man, it was closer to Robyn Drown's family, and they began dating.Later, while he was studying at Ambassador College, the church's college in Texas, Graydon Drown wrote a letter to Robyn and told her that God ordained her to be his wife, just as Rebecca became Isaac's wife in the Bible.Robyn Drown's parents, Roger and Sandra Lewis, described to the jury how their daughter increasingly was under the control of her husband. The Lewises spoke of times when Robyn left Graydon to seek shelter with them, but eventually returned. Statesman Journal
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While pregnant with their fourth child, the oldest of the nine who have recently been placed in protective custody, it is alleged that Robyn and Graydon Drown fled California to Alaska to ensure they could raise their newborn with their harsh form of discipline and avoid paying child support for the oldest three. The Drowns and her family, by the last name of Lewis, of Anchorage, were members of the radical Worldwide Church of God in Alaska. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Church_of_God ) The Drowns moved to Oregon a couple of years ago and claim to have recently converted to Judaism, however acquaintances say that they are not Jewish and their religion changes to suit their circumstances. http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/12/383631.shtml
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"...witnesses for Robyn Drown's defense, her younger sister Heather Larson described to the jury how she and her sister were raised in Anchorage, Alaska, under the faith of the Worldwide Church of God. Larson described the ministers having nearly complete control over the family's lives, including relationships, child-rearing and financial decisions.Larson said the church sanctioned""...Graydon Drown believed he was the Messiah and told Robyn Drown that his orders to her came from God. The two were both raised as believers of the Worldwide Church of God and lived in remote parts of Alaska during their marriage before moving to Oregon in 2004.
Holstedt described how Graydon Drown often would recite passages from the Old Testament as arguments for why she should obey him."http://www.statesmanjournal.com
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As a witness for her sister's defence, Robyn Drown's younger sister Heather Larson said she and her sister were raised in Anchorage, Alaska under the faith of the Worldwide Church of God. (link to en.wikipedia.org) Members of the Worldwide Church of God consent to giving the ministers nearly complete control over a family's life, including relationships, child-rearing and financial decisions. Larson said the church sanctioned punishing children using belts, but that she never struck her own children. ("The Plain Truth About Child Rearing" by Herbert W. Armstrong) Robyn Drown's supporters outside the courtroom, however, deny that family and extended family have had any affiliation in over twenty years with the Worldwide Church of God or its offshoots. Robyn Drown's family supported her marriage to Graydon throughout.
Larson said the church sanctioned punishing children using belts, but that she never struck her own children.
The Drwon's methods of punishment were 2"x4".s, metal and plastic pipes, whips, and fiberglass tent poles with rope at the end with knots.
At one of the court proceedings one of their daughters said this:
One of the older boys still at home got tired of the abuse and secretly videotaped his father beating his younger sister while their mother stood by watching and not intervening. He laid the camera on the bed so all that could be seen was some clothing and a blanket, but is what was heard that was frightening. It records the sound of Graydon beating his daughter with a fiberglass tent pole with a rope with knots on the end.
The oldest daughter recently described being spanked numerous times for the infraction of holding her aunt's hand without permission during a walk, court records show.According to a 1991 California appellate case that was filed on behalf of child-welfare officials, a psychiatric evaluation of Graydon Drown was done at that time. The report described Graydon Drown as adamant that he would continue to discipline his children in accordance with a religious treatise, which called for punishment immediately upon disobedience to the point of pain, but not bruising.
Marion County sheriff's Detective Mike Myers testified that he was one of the deputies who went to the couple's home in a rural area of Turner. Myers identified two of the alleged weapons seized during the investigation, the switchlike device and a four-foot pipe made of galvanized metal, allegedly used in beating one of the teenage sons.
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The camera lens was apparently nestled on a bed, capturing a home video of jeans and a towel.But what was unseen was most telling, as the soft and indistinct tones of a child's voice suddenly gave way to pistol-like cracks of what sounded like a whip, followed by bawling and shrieks of pain.
A man's voice was speaking, at most times inaudibly, in a stony, staccato tone.
The oldest boy secretly videotaped one of the beatings against his younger sibling. He gave the recording to Salem Rabbi Avrohom Perlstein, who then turned it over to authorities.During Perlstein's testimony Tuesday, he identified the voices on the tape as Graydon and Robyn Drown, the child being beaten and the background voices of other children.Morris showed the jury Tuesday the alleged weapon thought to have been used for that beating, a fiberglass tent pole segment about two feet long, with an elastic cord tied in a knot that dangled from one end.On the video, a murmur of voices were exchanged. A man's voice was heard on the recording, asking,
"Where's the stick?"Then, nearly a dozen sharp cracks are heard. The girl was heard to sob "Daddy," and then a second series of cracks was heard, lasting twice as long. The girl's cries persisted.
The man also was heard to mention the "land of promise."
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The children described how Graydon Drown would preach his doctrine, telling them that he was the Messiah.Agnes Opgenorth, now caring for some of the Drown children, wrote in a letter to the judge about the shifting blame - how Robyn blamed Graydon, and Graydon blamed God."And yes, Graydon, I said you blamed God because I am completely sure that God has never had a hand in any of your deeds," Opgenorth wrote. "If, as you claim, you hear a voice, I can promise you that it's not the voice of God because you are not a man of God ... If God ever even noticed your lowly existence at all, it could only have been a passing glance, while intervening to save your suffering children."Perlstein, who runs Chabad of Salem, said that it wasn't until after the Drowns' arrest that Perlstein learned Graydon Drown lied about being Jewish. During the trial, Graydon Drown wore a yarmulke, but was not wearing it when he was sentenced on Wednesday.Les Gutfreund testified how he employed Graydon Drown on a few carpentry jobs with his contracting business and was able to closely observe the family. He noticed bruises and red welts on some of the children, who always explained they were from horseplay or accidents. Later, he discussed his concerns with Rabbi Perlstein.Perlstein described in court the emphasis on secrecy and the expediency of reporting the abuse to authorities without Graydon Drown knowing."From what we've learned from the kids, and me, personally, there was no doubt that if Graydon knew, he'd pick up the house and go."rliao@StatesmanJournal.com or (503) 589-6941
Monday, July 21, 2008
To the Honorable Judge Tom Hart
To the Attorney General of the state of Oregon
And to whomever else it may concern
My name is Anya Warde and I am the oldest child of Graydon and Robyn Drown. I understand that they will have a bail hearing in August. I was very relieved when you denied my parents bail. I know that they are incapable of raising any bail and that their family members are not disposed to raise it for them. But it is possible that some other group or individuals might raise the money and that cannot happen. As you are probably aware, this is not the first time my parents have had children taken away from them. A sister, a brother, and myself were taken away because of child abuse when I was four years old. When it became apparent that they would not be getting us back, my parents left and moved to another state, Alaska. They stayed in the secluded areas of Alaska for the next 13 years, moving around and never giving us their physical address. My father and mother call infrequently, perhaps 2-3 times a year when I was a young child. These were not pleasant calls. Rather, they would contain 3-hour sermons from my father, attempting to raise his firstborn from a distance in what he believed. Every conversation ended with a promise to "rescue " us from our "kidnappers. " This was very upsetting to me, and for usually a month after one of these phone calls I would be very difficult to handle. I grew up with the fear of them lurking in the shadows, and even today I have a remnant of anxiety every time I go into a dark room. During one of these infrequent phone calls, my father told my grandparents, my guardians and his parents, that he had a "follower" that had offered to come down to California, snatch us up, and beat up my grandparents. I think a gun was also mentioned. I believe that not only is my father a flight risk, but that if he did have a disciple, and he has always had someone whom he had convinced for a while, or someone wanted to make a statement by helping him out, that he would be a threat to my brothers and sister, and a threat to their foster parents. I believe that even knowing that my father was out of jail could cause my siblings to be afraid. Please do not grant him any bail, however high. To my mind, it is not worth the risk.
As to my mother, I have heard from people who talk to her that they believe that she will be out of jail come August, whether by a small bail amount or by being released to her own cognizance I do not know, and that she will have access to the kids. I do not know if she is completely controlled by my father or not. However, if she is, I believe her fully capable of saying things that would make her children feel guilty about testifying against both herself and their father. If she has not been controlled this whole time, then she is as responsible as her husband in all of this, and she should not be allowed near them for the same reasons my father should not be. She has had practice with getting around the social workers during supervised visits, and I fear what influences she would have, one way or another, over the fragile peace and stability that the foster parents are trying to build for my siblings.
I understand that Graydon and Robyn Drown have rights, and that they are innocent until proven guilty. But the possible damage they could do to my brothers and sister, if there is even the slightest chance that they are guilty, does not seem worth giving them the chance at bail and I ask you to take these things into consideration on August 13th.
Thank you,
Anya Warde
Religion News Blog reports on their sentencing:
Marion County Judge Thomas Hart sentenced Graydon Drown on Wednesday to 29 years in prison. Robyn Drown got 20 years. The sentences were longer, by at least two years, than what was recommended by prosecutors.
“God did bless you with these children,” Hart said when sentencing Robyn Drown, 42. “And you did not do for your children what God did for you.”
Sadly this is not an isolated case. Child abuse has been rampant in the church. Just one more sad legacy that the Churches of God cannot ignore.
You can read more here:
Graydon & Robyn Drown have 9 kids taken from them for abuse & neglect
Child-abuse victims' lives were 'a horror story'
Disturbing details - Robyn and Graydon Drown CHILD ABUSE TRIAL continues
Turner, Oregon residents Robyn and Graydon Drown to face 25 each in charges of CHILD ABUSE
Children of Robyn & Graydon Drown will remain in Protective Care
Fox News: Prosecutor: Oregon Couple Beat 9 of Their Children With Boards, Pipes and Spoons
Mother in child-abuse case says she also was victim She seeks bail, but judge asks why she stayed silent for years
Stunning admission in Robyn Drown CHILD ABUSE case
Monday, February 20, 2012
Dennis On "Our Lives Are Not Analogies"
Our Lives Are Not Analogies
analogy
[uh-nal-uh-jee]
a·nal·o·gy
A similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pumpLogic . a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.
There were times
when I thought the WCG/COG life was just one big analogy. You know, taking
something in real life and making it fit the kind of person I was supposed to
be, the way I was to act or think or life I was supposed to live in relation to
the Church, Christ, Jesus, God and the Kingdom. Life was a
parable.
The Bible is full of
analogies where I was a seed and the ground was the life I lived depending on
where I landed. As a kid, when I first heard that analogy, I wondered why
it was the poor seeds fault the sower of seed (God) threw the
seed (me) on the rocks, the hard ground, the wayside or the gutter.
Hey! That's not my fault! You threw me there. If where you
threw me is a place where I cannot root down and hold on, that's not my
fault! You threw me there! I would have needed another analogy such
as "a seed is like a worm in the earth..." etc... That way, by
analogy at least, I could have the quality and the ability of being able to move
to where the environment was more conducive to my growth. Gnome
sayin'?
Of course, often we were sheep in pastures and had sheep-like qualities as both ministers and members. We needed to be herded because our tendencies as sheep was to wander off. We could be good sheep or bad sheep. We could be smart sheep and stay put or dumb sheep and go over a cliff. We needed to be fed as evidently we could not eat on our own or find our own food. We were dumb before our shearers (boy now there is an analogy!), and often "opened not our mouths." (Also a painful regret) We had to be led to green pastures and shown when and where to drink. We were controlled by rods and staffs which I assume meant that it was ok for the Shepherd to whack us on the skull when our attention wandered. COGers are well aware of this analogy and they are endless.
Sometimes we forget sheep
are kept just for sheering or for entrees. I am just not comfortable with
sheep hood as the way to define my life. Maybe that works for others.
Well, if we keep up the
analogy, if not a sheep then a wolf. Wolves, being the carnivores
they are, are not the friends or to be the friends of sheep. Of
course, we need wolves or there get to be too many sheep and God made wolves
too, so there ya go! As wolves, one is a stalker, a lurker or a chaser of
sheep. At least this is what those who are by analogy Shepherds tell the
sheep. But mostly it is not so. In real life I don't eat sheep or
lamb very often so the analogy breaks down a bit.
The Apostle Paul loved
analogies even if he butchered them.
Galatians
3:16
New American Standard Bible
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.
Now hold your horses here a bit. (Nice analogy those horses).
"Seed" in this context means descendents as in offspring. It is PLURAL already! Paul says since the word is not "Seeds", it must refer to the once seed...which is Christ. I don't think so!!!!! Paul is saying if the OT meant descendents of Abraham it would say, "The promise is to Abraham and to his seeds." Really? Feed my sheeps? If I say "feed my sheep," it means I have a herd of sheep not one sheep. I'd have to say, "Please feed that sheep," to make it one sheep. Anyway, I think Paul bunged this up and it never seems to have come up again.
Paul goes on to produce one
of the most jumbled analogies known to theologians. In Galatians 4:21-31
he makes an analogy between Sarah the wife of Abraham and Hagar the slave woman
and her children. Somehow the children of Hagar end up being the Jews of
Jerusalem and Isaac and his descendents end up as the "Children of promise,"
symbolizing the uncircumcised Gentiles who accept Jesus. Really? He
uses Isaiah 54:1 to kick off his analogy but really makes a scripture mean what
it never meant, which like Matthew, he was very good at.
Somehow the Father of the
Circumcision, Abraham, ends up the Father of the uncircumcised Gentiles.
Theologians , real ones, call this "over reaching." The whole idea of
hardened hearts needing to be circumcised is kinda creepy.
Paul makes all sorts of
amazing analogies that tend to fall apart upon examination. But he so badly
wanted to get the Gentiles into the Covenant, making things mean what they did
not mean was raised by him to an art form.
In 2 Corinthians 3:13-18
Paul goes nuts with an analogy that simply is not true. He says that when
Moses brought the Decalogue to Israel that he covered his face to hide from the
people his fading radiance. Paul then goes on to say "Even to this day
when Moses is read, a veil covers their heart but when anyone turns to the lord,
the veil is taken away." What a slaughter of context Paul makes with this
analogy. He makes it mean the exact opposite of what it did mean!
Any good Bible reader can discern that when Moses descended from the mount with
the tablets of stone, his face shown.
Very impressive. When Moses spoke to the people about the law and when he talked with God in the Tabernacle he did so with his face uncovered. When he was NOT discussing the law or in the presence of God, he covered his face. The point was the radiance referred to the divine and should not be taken lightly or used in a profane way.
Very impressive. When Moses spoke to the people about the law and when he talked with God in the Tabernacle he did so with his face uncovered. When he was NOT discussing the law or in the presence of God, he covered his face. The point was the radiance referred to the divine and should not be taken lightly or used in a profane way.
Ex
34:35
"And the Children of Israel saw the face of Moses,
that the skin of Moses face sent forth beams;
And Moses put the veil back on his face, untilhe went in to speak with HIM. '
Paul, by analogy, tried to
make the fading radiance to mean the glory of the law was passing away.
However, when Moses radiated, there is no mention of fading radiance and no
veil when speaking about the law. Paul reverses the intent of the OT to
make his non-point. Paul turns the veil into a blindfold over the
eyes of the Jews when they read their own Scriptures. As a result they
miss Jesus in those scriptures. Of course the reason they really missed it
is because Jesus is not in those original scriptures and making a bogus analogy
and making their scriptures mean what they never meant is not going to work.
It's a dumb analogy and Paul
has lots of them as he wrenches scripture from its context to present his
Gospel, quite different from anything Peter, James, John or Jesus would have
done.
Anyway, enough of Paul, we
had our own modern analogies to herd we sheep.
I went to College at "The
West Point of God's Work." Nice analogy, but pretty weak. I'm pretty
sure the rigor at West Point was a bit more than that I found at AC, or "God's
College."
Once, I had a bad cold and
was told wine was good for that. I had not been a drinker of anykind
before AC or the Church. I grew up with it, but it was no big deal.
At any rate, I sat studying "the Harmony (now understood as disharmony) of the
Gospels drinking wine out of a gallon bottle. The first time I lifted my
head to look up, I got dizzy and fell out of the chair..."full of the
spirit." It was hilarious. Nice analogy.
I very often studied on
Saturday evenings alone at my dorm. The Dean got wind of this "study thing you
do," and told me I needed to get out more. He made me attend Basketball
games and be the flag boy in the white coat during the Pledge of
Allegiance. I hated it. On top of that, I had to watch Dave Pack
play basketball and I don't like basketball and about the worst thing you could
do to me was make the spiritual life into a sports analogy. From "gun
laps" where we ran out of bullets to "team work," which I never really saw
much of in reality, I hated sports analogies about the Christian
life. They can be abused. God becomes the team owner, Jesus is the
Coach and no matter how hard I tried, I was either the batboy or just a team
member. Members had it worse as they were mere spectators.
So, I've been a seed, a
sheep, a wolf, a shepherd, a snake, and a living sacrifice. I've landed on
fertile ground, sorta fertile ground, unfertile ground, rocks and ravines.
I've had roots and I've fallen over because I had no roots. I have built
my house on sand or on the rocks depending. I have fallen down, away and
flat. I am once born, twice dead , a wandering star and vomit in the mouth
of God...
Man! All I ever
really wanted to be was authentic, genuine and myself. I only wanted
to know what was true and what was not. I didn't want to be scorched by the
dragon nor stalked and devoured by a roaring lion. Raging wave
of the sea? Not me! No better than a bunch of sticks that are only
good to be burned? Oh please.
Is that asking so
much? Yes, evidently, from religion it is asking way way too much...but
life is not really an analogy. It is a gift and lasts about as long as the
winds across the plains or an ice cube in hell. Religion needs the skeptic
like the ocean needs the sand or all risk being swept away in a tsunami of
confusion, error and mere compliance like a sheep before her shearers is
dumb... Hey, great analogy!!!
Dennis C
DenniscDiehl@aol.com
DenniscDiehl@aol.com
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