Crackpot Prophet On New Lost Truths That HWA Was Too Stupid To Understand

 

During Herbert Armstrong's lifetime, he claimed to have restored all sorts of lost doctrines that the church had somehow bungled preserving over 1,900 years. God must have been asleep at the wheel too, since He apparently couldn't keep His own words intact for humanity to grasp. All those so-called Christians down through the centuries? Total idiots, blindly following what they thought was God's word, but really just pawns in Satan's grand deception scheme.

Then along comes HWA, swooping in like a hero to restore the word, and suddenly humanity has access to salvation once more. But oops—he dies, and poof, the word vanishes again until Bob Thiel bursts onto the scene and restores even more lost teachings.

God's supposed gift to the church makes these bold claims:

The Apostle Paul wrote:

14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Timothy 3:14-15)

16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them … (1 Timothy 4:16)

Notice that we MUST CONTINUE with the doctrines of the true faith.

As far as “from whom you have learned them,” consider that we have restored a lot in the Continuing Church of God that hopefully you have learned.

HWA only managed to reveal a few tidbits, so Bwana Bob has had to swoop in and complete those teachings with shiny new and improved revelations and doctrines. Who knew!

He goes on to claim that in the last days, a new and improved COG leader would arise, keep learning fresh insights, and reveal them to the faithful flock:

Herbert Armstrong wrote:

In these last days, according to biblical prophecy, knowledge, spiritual as well as material, was to be increased. The true Church of God was to be set back on the track, restoring the glorious knowledge of the faith once delivered to the saints in the days of the original apostles. (Armstrong HW. Mystery of the Ages, 1985)

Notice Herbert Armstrong believed that knowledge of church history–the original faith once delivered (Jude 3), and spiritual knowledge (which would included, for example, dreams and prophecies from God-would need to be increased in the last days–this has happened in the CCOG in the 21st century! 

What miraculous new truths has the Great Bwana restored?

1) Why did God make you?

Your purpose in this life is to build character so you can maximize your potential and increase how much better you can improve eternity. God made YOU so that you will be able to use your unique talents (Matthew 25:14-23; Luke 19:11-19) to give love in order to make eternity better! … God’s plan for all who will respond to Him is to be able to give love in a unique way to make eternity better for them personally and everyone else.

2) Now why did God create anything?

God created what He did so eternity would be better. (cf. Hebrews 6:9, 11:16; Philippians 1:23). 3) Thirdly, why did God make others? In the Continuing Church of God we teach:

God’s plan for all who will respond to Him is to be able to give love in a unique way to make eternity better for them personally and everyone else.

HWA and all the other COGs were apparently too dense to uncover these three earth-shattering truths, and if you truly believe them, you'd automatically flock to the improperly named "Continuing" Church of God.

Those are three BASIC TRUTHS which were not fully restored by Herbert W. Armstrong nor the other COGs, but were restored via the Continuing Church of God. 

Do YOU understand them? Do YOU agree with them?

These restored truths are based on scripture–the source of the truth to help Christians become complete (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

If you believe those truths, then you should support the Continuing Church of God consistent with the Apostle Paul’s words in 2 Timothy 3:14. 

The Great Bwana didn't stop with these three amazing new truths; oh no, he has more!

Here is a summary of some other matters restored in the CCOG:

Dreams & Signs of Acts 2:17-18: That was done by God, not man, consistent with the prophesies in Acts 2:17-18. The giving of confirmed dreams shows Divine confirmation of the CCOG. No true Christian church has had so many confirmed dreams and signs as the Continuing Church of God in the 21st century. Hopefully, YOU FULLY ACCEPT how God has chosen to work. 

Teaching all things Jesus taught as Jesus commanded (Matthew 28:19-20. The Continuing Church of God has intentionally covered every verse in the New Testament where Jesus’ words are recorded–is not that something the most faithful Christian church would do?

Church History–Jude wrote that Christians are ” to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3)–by better documenting that, the Continuing Church of God has done more that way than any Christian church in the 21st century.

Laying on of Hands Succession and List: While there were attempts at a succession list in the 20th century, the most complete laying on of hands succession list in the Church of God was produced in the Continuing Church of God this century. 

This is an outright lie! Every single Church of God group out there REFUSED to ordain Bob. If he claims Gaylyn Bonjour ordained him, he is a liar. Not a single one of them! Zilch! He had to resort to having one of his African associates ordain him.

Next up, God had to reveal to the Great Bwana how awful football is. It’s a doctrinal and salvational issue, apparently.

Violent Sports/merican Football Evil?  Early Christians would not watch violent sports, despite the popularity of American tackle football in the USA, the ContinuingChurch of God put out a biblical and historically-appropriate teaching against that.

And the list continues with things no one really cares about. 

Details and Ramifications of Being Non-Trinitarian–by better documenting that, the Continuing Church of God has done more that way than any Christian church in the 21st century.

The Final Phase of the Work and Preparing for the ‘Short Work’ and The Famine of the Word: We are in the last days before the start of the Great Tribulation. The ContinuingChurch of God has done more to teach about the final phase of the work as well as preparing for the short work of Romans 9:28 and the famine of the word (Amos 8:11-12) way than any Christian church in the 21st century.

The Gospel of the Kingdom of God translated into more languages under the CCOG than any COG in church history. Furthermore, we seem to be the only COG in the past several centuries to more fully distinguish between the millennial and post-millennial phases of the Kingdom of God.

Romans 11:25 and the Full Number of the Gentiles: While this had been taught in the 20th century, to a degree, more has been taught and emphasized about it, as well as trying to fulfill part of it by the Continuing Church of God than any Christian church in the 21st century.

Major and massive details, including more scriptures complied, on God’s plan of salvation  than looks to have been done before. Would not the most faithful Christian church  have put together the most scriptures about God’s plan of salvation?

Prophecy. The Laodicean churches have so many errors in prophetic understanding that they will not know when the Great Tribulation will start nor when it is time to flee to the wildernes. Is not that not something the most faithful Christian church would know? The Continuing Church of God has restored numerous prophetic truths as well as has pointed out errors that the non-Philadelphian COG churches teach.

Habakkuk 2 and Debt While a previous COG started to do this after my urging, it then backed away from it. So, the truth about how debt is a prophesied part of why the United States of America will be destroyed was restored by me, now in the Continuing Church of God.

Identity of the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2: The Church of God in the 20th century had this wrong. Several leaders once in it, such as Aaron Dean and certain leaders in the Living Church of God, admitted that the position taught by the Continuing Church of God is the correct one, yet their respective churches teach the scripturally-wrong position.

Daniel 11:39 and the Start of the Great Tribulation: All the headquarters-based evangelists at the Living Church of God told me I was correct on that and that LCG would change its official statement of fundamental beliefs to reflect that, yet they still improperly teach the start of the Great Tribulation is Daniel 11:40, not 11:39. And unless they, and most of the other COGs, change, they will not know when the Great Tribulation will start until afterwards. Hence, they will not know when to flee in time (cf. Revelation 12:14-17).

USA-Samaria Identification: Although many groups understand the connection between the United States of America and the tribe of Manasseh, they do not seem to understand that prophesies related to Samaria also are for the United States. The doctrinal letter answerer at LCG concurred that I was correct about that, but LCG never adopted the view.

Mark of the Beast: The mark of the beast is MORE than Sunday and may well involve a type of cross. That is also consistent with what Christians taught centuries ago and that has been restored in the Continuing Church of God.

Attaining the Unity of God. Roman Catholics teach that the trinity is the unity of God. In the CCOG, we teach that is not, but restored the truth about what early second century Christians taught.

Why Do Christian People Die?: The truth is that people die when it is best for them. We have added scriptural truths to what the Church of God taught in 20th century.

Information on the Third Resurrection. The third resurrection is NOT just for the incorrigibly wicked, despite what many were taught in the 20th and 21st centuries. The fact that it is for all who were not part of the first resurrection is a truth restored by the Continuing Church of God.

The reason there was both a Passover and Atonement sacrifice representing Jesus. The Day of Atonement comes after the Feast of the Trumpets. Its final fulfillment is after the end of the church age. In the Continuing Church of God we have pointed out that while Christians in this age follow the Passover service Jesus instituted, the Atonement sacrifice points to the fact that God has a plan for those not called in the church age.

The Great Bwana ends with these absurd claims and warns anyone who does not join his cult is in danger of losing their salvation:

It was the Continuing Church of God that is restoring all things, having the fruits consistent with Jesus’ words (Matthew 17:11). Those who believe them absolutely should be in the ContinuingChurch of God–as the Apostle Paul wrote, “you MUST CONTINUE in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them.”

The Continuing Church of God has the fruits and does best represent the remnant of the Philadelphian portion of the Church of God in the 21st century.

Brethren, do not reject the truths restored by and to the Philadelphians because of critics and those who think their pet doctrine or assessment of how a church should be run affect you. NO OTHER GROUP HAS RESTORED THE TRUTHS THAT THE CCOG HAS–AND PROPHETICALLY THAT IS WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE PHILADELPHIAN REMNANT TO DO.

Rest assured that your salvation is NOT at stake if you do not join the Great Bwanas cult. The truth is, your salvation WILL be at stake if you do join up with his heretical nonsense. 

 

 

Gerald Flurry: God Just Gives Me Something He Does Not Give You!

 

Why is it that Church of God leaders are such appalling narcissists?

United Church of God - Pitting Brother Against Brother?

Armstrongism has always tried to paint itself as this oh-so-unifying church, the kind that magically turns the hearts of the children to their fathers. Rainbows and lollipops everywhere, folks—pure utopia! Yet, almost every member knows this fairy tale is about as close to reality as Bob Thiel qualifying as a genuine Christian. Shattered marriages, obliterated families, lives snuffed out by suicide and murder. Ah, yes, the glorious ninety-year legacy of Armstrongism, leaving a blood-soaked trail in its wake.

One of those charmingly dysfunctional clans is the Kitchen family. Things aren't exactly rosy in Kitchen-land—shocker, right? 

They've treated us to some spectacularly public meltdowns several times over the past few years, especially after Samuel's botched bid to herd folks off to Petra a couple years back. That little fiasco sparked massive division among the Kitchen brothers. Then their younger sibling had the audacity to decide he wanted zilch to do with the steaming pile of Armstrongist nonsense they were peddling. Naturally, he got branded the villain—because why not blame the sane one?

Now, brother Timothy's cozied up at the United Church of God, where he's probably spilling the beans to Aaron Dean about what a total whack-job Samuel has devolved into. Oh, to be a fly on the wall for those chats! Fingers crossed Timothy can finally kick back from all the absurdity, plop down with Aaron over a cold beer, and cackle their heads off at the whole ridiculous mess.

The UCG is more of a senate of Rome type of government. Far from what was restored through Mr Armstrong. 

 

The outside is outside. Those inside are inside. To support the UCG and its organization, is to step away to the outside. 

 

No there isn’t a second church of God, but there are organizations of men pretending to be the succession of the church, while the wolves got them surrounded. Our Good Shepherd just wants repentance and trust in Him. 

 

Faith. Not our puny human faith, but the living faith of Jesus Christ! 

 

My brother received attacks for what I’ve been saying, and he’s been attending with the UCG. Your people put my brother against me! That was the reason why he came out in a bashing article! 

 

He was already against me, but insult was added to injury. Why should he be attacked? Why are cowards attacking their own members, because of something i am saying here? 

 

Who devours who? Some sheep aren’t sheep. They keep the sheep in line. 

 

Who opposes the apostle? Who says he isn’t part of the foundation of the Church? A sheep? A Shepherd? Or a wolf? Sometimes men have let Satan use them too much, that a wolf comes out when it should have been Christ in them. 

 

When will have to change, before it’s too late?

Sinning COG men who celebrate birthdays while sitting on doctrinal committees are wearing colored shirts as they rob God

 

Since when is it a salvational issue that COG men serving MUST be dressed in a white shirt? Samuel Kitchen claims it is shameful towards God to wear a colored shirt in church, especially if you are a leader. Rod Meredith pulled a stunt like this in 1974 when he popped his veins, screaming about men wearing pink Izod polo shirts. The next time the class met, most of the class wore them just to piss him off even more.

People are also supposedly asking Samuel Kitchen to take on the reins of a minister. What the holy hell!

This is the result of decades of pulpit pounding men focusing on irrelevant things instead of being followers of Jesus and teaching about Him and what He accomplished.

More eternal words of wisdom from Samuel Kitchen:

God says we’ve been robbing Him of tithes and offerings! Haven’t you given to your church organization? 

Haven’t you benefited from tithes and offerings in these churches? 

Why then is the Temple of God in ruin? Who among you seek to restore what God has ordained? 

God says to put the tithes and offerings into the storehouse, so there may be meat in HIS HOUSE.

Yet it is spent in the houses among Babylon, these variety of church groups and works. 

Not one of these groups is supporting the Worldwide Church of God. They all expect those who came from the Worldwide Church of God to support them.

Who came out of whom? Who convinced us to feel shame towards what God ordained holy? Sounds like Adam and Eve after sinning. Now we are made to feel shame of the Worldwide Church of God, that which God ordained, because of sin and wickedness.

Just as they were barred from the garden of Eden, so will anyone who tries to enter the Kingdom any other way.

Why is priority and importance placed on these church organizations over the Worldwide Church of God? 

 

Why are women wearing makeup? Why are birthdays celebrated? Why do men serve with no white shirt? Why is a doctrinal committee established? Why was a “regional pastor structure established by Victor Kubik in 1993, and used to form the UCG? Mr Armstrong abolished and gave instructions! Why wasn’t he obeyed? Oh….because he died? Is that a valid reason?

I’m not here to call upon destruction to befall anyone. But God giving you all a chance to repent and turn things around.

Dave Pack News Flash: Headquarters Couple Leaves The Restored Church of God

 

Newsflash: Headquarters Couple Leaves The Restored Church of God

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God was a little salty last week because a couple and one other person attending at Headquarters in Wadsworth, Ohio, quit his spiritually corrupt organization. During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 606)” on November 8, 2025, the Pastor General lamented this “naïve” wife just “strolled away with her husband” out the door because he “broke her because she’s the weaker vessel.”

Ever deflecting and never the direct reason why people flee The Restored Church of God, David C. Pack’s fingers have not gotten tired of blaming external evils for his biblically fraudulent organization’s dwindling numbers. But certainly not the 600 sermons of malarkey.

Part 606 – November 8, 2025
@ 53:15 It's the lies and the half-truths and the misrepresentations that can cause this.

What lies, Dave? What half-truths? What misrepresentations?

Those sound like the talking points Headquarters trains the field mollusks to say when concerned members bring up documented facts and uncomfortable reminders archived at exrcg.org.

Lies are not necessary for valid reasons to leave The Restored Church of God.

Half-truths are not necessary for valid reasons to leave The Restored Church of God.

Misrepresentations are not necessary for valid reasons to leave The Restored Church of God.

If anyone wants to find verifiable facts free of lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations, please visit exrcg.org. The channel on YouTube hosts the video evidence.

@ 53:20 Think. This husband could not possibly have believed a kingdom was just weeks away. Impossible.

No discerning, critical-thinking, bible-believing person would either. The failure of Kislev 16 on December 5 is inevitable, like the 135 others before it, and is just one uncomfortable suspicion away from being disproven by the man who taught it. At that point, the couple were not rebels. They were ahead of the curve.

One of David C. Pack’s strategies is to pit husbands and wives against each other. When couples have a doctrinal issue, they try to separate them to manipulate them individually. Two men will team up to work on a woman to get her to flip on her husband. That is standard operating procedure in The Restored Church of God.

@ 1:01:24 And you can't be a pastor like I am …without weeping over people that leave.

Raise your hand if you believe David C. Pack weeps for anyone.

As an added bonus during Part 606, David C. Pack paid homage to his "father in the gospel" by explaining 23 prophetic understandings that his mentor got wrong. Herbert W. Armstrong, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG), was forbidden by God to understand bible prophecy correctly despite being an apostle and the Messenger to the Sixth Era who led a church of over 100,000 members for fifty years.

Dave humbly admitted there were only 23 examples because he was reciting HWA's errors without a prepared list. He confessed that there are many more.

In contrast, only Pastor General David C. Pack understands bible prophecy accurately because the Book of Revelation and Daniel have been unsealed to him. Please disregard the painful truth that he has been wrong since August 2013.

Despite being free of corporate debt, The Restored Church of God limps along without any discernible plan for the future, with no will to herald the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. No new literature. No new videos. No new advertising campaigns. No new fruits letters.

Members are aging out, and more in the Headquarters congregation have their eyes on the exits. David C. Pack will now need to ponder if that is a lie, a half-truth, misrepresentation… or a proven fact. Stay tuned.

Marc Cebrian

See: News Flash: Headquarters Couple Leaves RCG

The Debbie Downer Of COG Leaders Has Another Depressing Sermon

 

Traditional speechwriting typically starts with something positive, elaborates on that, moves to the message, and then ends with something positive again. Oh, but not with God's greatest gift to the human race and the Churches of God—how utterly depressing! Everything he writes and speaks kicks off with one bombastic evil or negative thing after another, and then, right in the midst of it all, he humbly brags about how perfect he and his little church are, having restored all things to their glorious pinnacle. And then to top it off, he wraps up with even more delightful negativity. What a brilliant formula for inspiration!

Can you imagine the sheer bliss of spending 3½ years cooped up in Petra with this Queen of Negativity? If he's not graciously bitching about something wrong, he'll be modestly extolling how wonderful he is, only to lovingly berate those present for continually failing to meet his impeccable standards. Ah, what a heavenly paradise that would be—pure utopia!

Armstrongism has always tended to be grace-deficient in its message, hasn't it? Doom and destruction were the name of the game, with just a few tantalizing glimpses of the lion dwelling with the lamb thrown in for good measure. Have you ever heard a COG minister preach an entire sermon on grace and how deeply loved the people of God sitting before him are, and how precious they are in God's sight? Of course not—it would ruin the fun! 

This is the Great Bwana's latest sermon (always in multiple parts since he can't edit his words). Oh, and there will be consequences for resisting Bob's messages because they are directly from his god, which apparently dislikes paragraph breaks.

2 Timothy 3-4: Scripture and Truth Restored
This is the second part of a 2-part sermon series covering each and every verse of the Apostle Paul’s second epistle to Timothy. In this sermon, Dr. Thiel covers the last two chapters of Paul’s letter. Paul tells Timothy how terrible people will be in the last days, and that many are always learning but not coming to the knowledge of the truth. Dr. Thiel quotes passages in scripture showing that God’s word is truth, yet that many suppress the truth in unrighteousness and promote sexual immortality and other evils. He also quotes information about the possible identity of Jannes and Jambres, and warns that there are consequences in resisting God and His messages. He also cites Jesus who essentially warned that the Sardis and Laodicean Christians also resist the truth and need to repent. Dr. Thiel also covers the fact that Paul was persecuted, that Philadelphian Christians will be persecuted, but that later they will be protected per Revelation 12:13-16, but that the non-Philadelphian Christians will then be subject to persecution during the Great Tribulation. Prophetic errors that certain Laodiceans hold are also pointed out. He also explains why Richard Dawkins’ book, The God Delusion, is not scientific. He warns that Greco-Roman Catholic and Protestant teachers have accepted traditions over the word of God, when instead they should be faithful. Dr. Thiel quotes various passages of scripture from the Apostle Paul showing that Christians are to continue in the original faith and doctrine, as well as grow in spiritual knowledge. He also goes over many truths that have been restored in the Continuing Church of God and gives biblical reasons why the most faithful in the 21st century should support the CCOG. He quotes the Apostle Paul who says ministers are to preach the word of God and mentions some of how the CCOG does that. He warns that throughout church history, people have rebelled against church government as well those who loved the world more than the truth of God. Some information related to the canonization of scripture is touched upon. The faithful couple, Priscilla and Aquila, are mentioned, including places they had lived for a time. Dr. Thiel concludes by saying that all need the Lord Jesus Christ to be with us, we all need God’s grace, God will strengthen us, His word is more of a guide than a GPS, and we simply need to do things His way which includes obeying Him, resisting Satan, not following the ways of the world in these last days, growing in knowledge, and supporting the most faithful Church in these end times.

Where is Bob Thiel's Love If He Has Restored All True Spiritual Knowledge?

 

I couldn't help but comment again on Pastor Dr Bob's latest rant in Cogwriter, 

Bob states everyone must look to the CCOG as he/it has restored so much knowledge and is the only COG holding the Philadelphia Mantel. The problem with this is even if this were true, it doesn't mean jacksquat as the Bible states if you have not Love, all knowledge, all prophecy, all signs, all anything else doesn't matter at all without Love. 

Is Bob showing Love when he betrayed Priscilla and her children? 

Is Bob showing Love, covering Radsons' lies and sins, so he can maintain his Delusions of Grandeur? 

Is Bob showing Love, allowing his leading ministers to practice witchcraft and desecrating babies' bodies to get demonic favors? 

Is Bob showing Love, covering up Evans' sex scandals? 

Is Bob showing Love, covering up a Former CCOG leader's sin, lying to a member of Hope of Israel, saying it was a rumor, but admittedly saying publicly that it was in fact true? 

Is Bob showing Love covering up Evans Ocheing and his son Bradox Ouma Ocheing's political scandal of 2017 and 2022? 

Is Bob showing Love when Ministers and Deacons under Radson and Evans come forth telling him the truth, only to be dismissed and handed over to Evans and Radson's cruel punishment and death threats? 

All these things Bob talks about don't mean a thing to God, as God is concerned about Love first and what is true. Dr Pastor Bob Thiel is without excuse. Many have tried to help him, but being he only loves himself above all else, he fails BIG TIME. 

Dr Pastor Bob Thiel, show some LOVE won't ya!!!!

Terry Nelson