Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!
With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Has everyone seen the movie, "2001: A Space Odyssey"? Has anyone seen the sequel, "2010". Big Bad HAL9000.
It turns out that the computer was an innocent. People lied to him. ("HAL, open the pod door." "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.") People lied to him. His was the ultimate logic. He never made a logical mistake. He was perfect.
But lies aren't logical: Faced with an impossible choice to believe the people telling the lies or... or what? No choice. The cognitive dissonance was too great.
So Bobby Fischer, an innocent, albeit an immature one, was conned by Herbert Armstrong. Armstrong lied to him.
A favorite of mine is "Lie to me". Dr. Lightman tells people, "Lie to me AND YOU WILL REGRET IT!"
The real truth is, "Lie to me and I will regret it". The liars, con men, narcissists, sociopaths, psycopaths -- in short, all the ministry and the administration men with antisocial personality disorder of the Armstrongist subcults, are mostly barely legal, illegitimate and certainly immoral and unethical. The people only exist for one reason: To provide them with power, salary and retirement (one thing: all power). They will do ANYTHING to protect their interests... absolutely anything. They see their followers as dupes and if it turns out they get injured, it's just collateral damage -- no need to worry.
So how many people are going to go unstable? A man shows up to services in Living and shoots the minister and several other members dead. No one deals with it. It's an aberration quickly forgotten. People go off and do really quirky things. Underaged teens are put out in the streets because of Gerald Flurry. In United, you had best not become a target of a stalker (my favorite story is the man who married just back from his honeymoon accosted by a woman stalker saying, "You are mine"). Armstrongist CoGs: Dangerous places filled with unstable nut cases (you know, like the young man who is glad his father is dead and looms like storm clouds at the fringes of the congregation).
It's all because of the lies. The first one is British Israelism. The second one is the fictional church history. For anyone who is logical, but forced to remain for whatever reason is not in a healthy place and may very well end up a real danger to himself and others, while the cult leaders, like Pontius Pilate, wash their hands of the whole thing and blame their victims.
Bobby Fischer Against The World? It was more like the WCG against Bobby Fischer. And now it's the Armstrongist cult leaders against all of us.
The only things these conscienceless twits understand is superior force. We can natter all day long on blogs like this and they just laugh it off and see us as powerless fools. However, if enough of their congregations begin to catch on that they are paying for the privilege of being abused without getting any return for their investment, the tides will turn. With no money, the scoundrels will be in desperation. That is all they would ever understand because it's all about them and no one else matters.
Anyone in these cults should follow Scriputure: From such turn away. Your pocketbook, family and life force will thank you.
They, the membership, have been enslaved in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment. If they knew they were lied to and stayed a member that is one thing. But due to the lies and deceit designed to fleece them out of their compensated labor, they fall under the category of "undue influence." That they serve and support the church as "involuntary servitude" slaves.
Used and abused, they never forsake their masters. Hell, they never ever vote to chose who will make decisions for them that will dog their families for decades to come. They just complain about the world.
Bobby was a sad case. He never developed normally because his whole world was chess and that made him an unbalanced loner. I sympathize because I was somewhat like him isolated out there on that North Dakota ranch and a sitting duck for Herb.
He was holding back on taking on Spasky until Herbert told him personally to "go beat that Russian." He won and became world famous as well as rich. But, he gave most of it to the cult.
This all happened just before and soon after I left the outfit. I never got to even see Bobby in person, but I did clean the carpet in a South Pasadena apartment after he moved out and on.
To clarify, I did quite a bit of carpet cleaning work for the organization after I had left. I got those jobs through Bill Evans who was not as blindly loyal to the outfit as some others. He was eventually purged and ended up with GTA.
I sat in Bill Evans home the week after he got kicked out. There must have been 15-20 of us there. They were trying to decide what to do next. We listened to a GTA tape that he had sent to them. The Auditorium was filled with Meredith and others screaming about GTA, disfellowshipments and blaming brethren for a myriad of things. It was a most unhappy time to be there.
You are right that he was not blindly loyal. Anyone that worked around the upper echelons at that period of time saw the inner workings and deceit going on so many peoples loyalties were shattered.
I saw Bonnie Evans, Bill's wife, at the bank, I guess depositing their severance check, the day he got canned. She was visibly upset and angry. I felt sorry for her.
Bill operated a used restaurant supply business for a while and I did work for him until they left the area, I think for Texas.
He tried to talk me into attending Ted's feast in Squaw Valley one year. By that time, I was no longer interested in feasts but kept it pretty much to myself.
Everything was in a state of flux with me then and my agnosticism and atheism hadn't completely jelled. I was studying everything from reincarnation and associated doctrines to Buddhism and New Age.
Just finished watching this documentary. It was pretty interesting, the segment about the WCG was only about 3 minutes long but definitely focused on the failed prophecies and dropped the word "cult" once or twice. Worth a watch if you've got HBO.
I find it interesting that some people that leave WCG, or its splinters, follow a path that Fischer followed.
Bobby Fischer was a nut before WCG and was a nut when he left. His friends attest to this truth, if you listen carefully.
Hero worship, the fraudulent The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, endless mindless conspiracies, HAARP, tinfoil hats, amalgam fillings, white sugar, processed food--the list is endless with people that are unhinged. I avoided them like the plague before the church, in the church, and when I left the church in other portions of life.
I know this site loves to paint all church people as this sort of insane brew of brain-washed goons but the truth be told, the sane ones in the church were a quiet bunch that enjoyed all life had to offer. We kept our worldly friends and family. We kept things on the QT and sometimes took time off from being perfect. We ignored ministers and barbequed the elders and super-deacons behind their backs. We knew, marked, and avoided creepers and rude people.
Truth is we got up and excused ourselves when a Bobby Fischer-type sat down.
Bobby Fischer was no innocent. The documentary proves that out. Recall the portion where his friends, family, and associates talk of professional chess players notorious for insanity since the game began. Bobby Fischer was no innocent and I can't blame Herbie for this wing nut.
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Has everyone seen the movie, "2001: A Space Odyssey"? Has anyone seen the sequel, "2010". Big Bad HAL9000.
It turns out that the computer was an innocent. People lied to him. ("HAL, open the pod door." "I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.") People lied to him. His was the ultimate logic. He never made a logical mistake. He was perfect.
But lies aren't logical: Faced with an impossible choice to believe the people telling the lies or... or what? No choice. The cognitive dissonance was too great.
So Bobby Fischer, an innocent, albeit an immature one, was conned by Herbert Armstrong. Armstrong lied to him.
A favorite of mine is "Lie to me". Dr. Lightman tells people, "Lie to me AND YOU WILL REGRET IT!"
The real truth is, "Lie to me and I will regret it". The liars, con men, narcissists, sociopaths, psycopaths -- in short, all the ministry and the administration men with antisocial personality disorder of the Armstrongist subcults, are mostly barely legal, illegitimate and certainly immoral and unethical. The people only exist for one reason: To provide them with power, salary and retirement (one thing: all power). They will do ANYTHING to protect their interests... absolutely anything. They see their followers as dupes and if it turns out they get injured, it's just collateral damage -- no need to worry.
So how many people are going to go unstable? A man shows up to services in Living and shoots the minister and several other members dead. No one deals with it. It's an aberration quickly forgotten. People go off and do really quirky things. Underaged teens are put out in the streets because of Gerald Flurry. In United, you had best not become a target of a stalker (my favorite story is the man who married just back from his honeymoon accosted by a woman stalker saying, "You are mine"). Armstrongist CoGs: Dangerous places filled with unstable nut cases (you know, like the young man who is glad his father is dead and looms like storm clouds at the fringes of the congregation).
It's all because of the lies. The first one is British Israelism. The second one is the fictional church history. For anyone who is logical, but forced to remain for whatever reason is not in a healthy place and may very well end up a real danger to himself and others, while the cult leaders, like Pontius Pilate, wash their hands of the whole thing and blame their victims.
Bobby Fischer Against The World? It was more like the WCG against Bobby Fischer. And now it's the Armstrongist cult leaders against all of us.
The only things these conscienceless twits understand is superior force. We can natter all day long on blogs like this and they just laugh it off and see us as powerless fools. However, if enough of their congregations begin to catch on that they are paying for the privilege of being abused without getting any return for their investment, the tides will turn. With no money, the scoundrels will be in desperation. That is all they would ever understand because it's all about them and no one else matters.
Anyone in these cults should follow Scriputure: From such turn away. Your pocketbook, family and life force will thank you.
Douglas,
They, the membership, have been enslaved in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment. If they knew they were lied to and stayed a member that is one thing. But due to the lies and deceit designed to fleece them out of their compensated labor, they fall under the category of "undue influence." That they serve and support the church as "involuntary servitude" slaves.
Used and abused, they never forsake their masters. Hell, they never ever vote to chose who will make decisions for them that will dog their families for decades to come.
They just complain about the world.
Bobby was a sad case. He never developed normally because his whole world was chess and that made him an unbalanced loner. I sympathize because I was somewhat like him isolated out there on that North Dakota ranch and a sitting duck for Herb.
He was holding back on taking on Spasky until Herbert told him personally to "go beat that Russian." He won and became world famous as well as rich. But, he gave most of it to the cult.
This all happened just before and soon after I left the outfit. I never got to even see Bobby in person, but I did clean the carpet in a South Pasadena apartment after he moved out and on.
To clarify, I did quite a bit of carpet cleaning work for the organization after I had left. I got those jobs through Bill Evans who was not as blindly loyal to the outfit as some others. He was eventually purged and ended up with GTA.
I sat in Bill Evans home the week after he got kicked out. There must have been 15-20 of us there. They were trying to decide what to do next. We listened to a GTA tape that he had sent to them. The Auditorium was filled with Meredith and others screaming about GTA, disfellowshipments and blaming brethren for a myriad of things. It was a most unhappy time to be there.
You are right that he was not blindly loyal. Anyone that worked around the upper echelons at that period of time saw the inner workings and deceit going on so many peoples loyalties were shattered.
I saw Bonnie Evans, Bill's wife, at the bank, I guess depositing their severance check, the day he got canned. She was visibly upset and angry. I felt sorry for her.
Bill operated a used restaurant supply business for a while and I did work for him until they left the area, I think for Texas.
He tried to talk me into attending Ted's feast in Squaw Valley one year. By that time, I was no longer interested in feasts but kept it pretty much to myself.
Everything was in a state of flux with me then and my agnosticism and atheism hadn't completely jelled. I was studying everything from reincarnation and associated doctrines to Buddhism and New Age.
Just finished watching this documentary. It was pretty interesting, the segment about the WCG was only about 3 minutes long but definitely focused on the failed prophecies and dropped the word "cult" once or twice. Worth a watch if you've got HBO.
I find it interesting that some people that leave WCG, or its splinters, follow a path that Fischer followed.
Bobby Fischer was a nut before WCG and was a nut when he left. His friends attest to this truth, if you listen carefully.
Hero worship, the fraudulent The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, endless mindless conspiracies, HAARP, tinfoil hats, amalgam fillings, white sugar, processed food--the list is endless with people that are unhinged. I avoided them like the plague before the church, in the church, and when I left the church in other portions of life.
I know this site loves to paint all church people as this sort of insane brew of brain-washed goons but the truth be told, the sane ones in the church were a quiet bunch that enjoyed all life had to offer. We kept our worldly friends and family. We kept things on the QT and sometimes took time off from being perfect. We ignored ministers and barbequed the elders and super-deacons behind their backs. We knew, marked, and avoided creepers and rude people.
Truth is we got up and excused ourselves when a Bobby Fischer-type sat down.
Bobby Fischer was no innocent. The documentary proves that out. Recall the portion where his friends, family, and associates talk of professional chess players notorious for insanity since the game began. Bobby Fischer was no innocent and I can't blame Herbie for this wing nut.
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