Friday, December 15, 2017

Revelatory Fun: "As Above...So Below"

Revelation 4:

The Throne in Heaven
4 "After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it".

Casseiopia the Throne in the North

3 "And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder."

The Throne (Casseopia) is on the sides of the North with a rainbow around it (The Milky Way)  The 24 Elders are the 24 hours in the day as divided by the longitudinal grid emanating from the North Pole. The Bear (Dipper), i.e. the Seven Spirits of God are close to the center in this view

In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God

Ursa Major-The Big Dipper-The Seven Spirits of God
Opposite the Throne Casseopia

. Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

The Sea of Glass clear as crystal (The Milky Way) in front of the Throne Casseopia between it and The Seven Spirits of God (The Bear/Dipper)

"In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:"

The four living creatures are made up from the Constellations of the Four Seasons, in this case, Summer-Leo the Lion...and three months earlier, Spring- Taurus the Ox...and three months earlier, Winter-Aquarius the Waterman...and three months earlier, Fall-Aquila the Eagle.  Their combined wings again are the 24 hours in the day (4x6) and "covered with eyes" are the night sky stars one can see all around them.  

These creatures, representing Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall are also found in Ezekiel's visions. 
Or it's a big coincidence they match the seasonal constellations

Let me know if you'd like to hear about Revelation 12:4?

Revelation 12:4 4Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born."


Phew--close call!
Virgo, the Virgin, (upper left) slips the birth of the Sun past Serpens and Satan and is given the Wings of a Great Eagle, (Aquila the Eagle to the left) to flee to her place.
(This is also the current just before Christmas morning sky)

Or again...just an amazing coincidence

"As below"


DennisCDiehl said...

The dark night sky of the Middle East was the NETFLIX of the Prophets

Anonymous said...

Any time there's another, rational, scientific, historical explanation for Biblical concepts, isn't that usually dismissed as the Devil's counterfeit?

True Bread said...

I'm always amazed when humans try to imply physical observations onto spiritual concepts....Astro-theology, as Dennis is pushing, will ever explain spiritual principles....

Anonymous said...

Careful Dennis, I can hear heads exploding already. This is too much information.

DennisCDiehl said...

True Bread, The Four Gospels are precisely physical stories made to bring spiritual concepts down to earth.

Most don't think that Paul's Cosmic Christ was not the Jesus of the Gospels. He never knew that Jesus, never tells a story about him nor quotes him. This is because Paul's Christ was in the heavens. He was crucified by the archons and "wicked spirits in high places."

Paul told his Christ story FIRST before the Gospels were ever written. The Gospels brought Paul's Jesus down from the heavens and out of the hallucinatory nature that Paul experienced in his mind making it a literal story. That's what "As below means" It is not my concept. It is the concept.

The NT is in such an order as to give the impression the Gospels...the earthly Jesus came FIRST, then Acts tells us about how we got Paul and then Paul's more esoteric and Cosmic Christ enters. In fact...Paul taught, lived and died before any Gospel was ever written.

The order is better.. 1. Paul's authentic writings of the Cosmic Christ 2 The Gospels making Jesus an earthly being with a real life, short though it was. 3.Acts written to tie them together and make it seem like the Gospel Jesus was the same as the Cosmic Christ and how he went Cosmic (HE was that first in reality with Paul). 4. The rest of the writings mostly by Church father types bringing the disciplines of the faith to the people who adopted it all and believed. 5 Revelation: written by a drunken sailor

To repeat. The Gospels are the physical observations, COBBLED OUT OF OT SCRITPURES MOSTLY AND NOT EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF ANYTHING, to bring the Cosmic and Spiritual concept of Christ down to earth and easier to understand.

Jesus Birth stories are physical constructs making a spiritual point as well. I.E. Jesus was not a Bastard nor born of fornication and was God's son, just like the Caesars. Again, all cobbled out of OT scriptures as no one has a clue when or how Jesus was born or who his human father was evidently.

Merry Construct!

Long story. Do your homework.

Anonymous said...

When I started attending services in the 1970s, I met a member who initially seemed very friendly, only to have him non stop offer murderous advice. About that time, I asked a elder a bible question, only to be lead to a minister. The minister implied I did something wrong, and verbally bashed me. On several other occasions he did the same thing. The holy spirit explained the ministers motives with the words 'fall by the wayside, and I will stop hurting you.'
So within months of coming to services, three members were trying to steal my eternal crown. I have lost count of the number of times that this has happened at services, at work and with relatives.
So here we go again with another crown stealing article by Dennis, while insisting that I and others cannot discern his motives. No Dennis, you are not mentally invisible. There is a small army of people like yourself.

Arno said...

Anon @ 8:05 -- What on earth (or in the heavens) are you on about? Sorry, but I fail to see just how you tie your haphazard comments (all in one post) to what Dennis has posted. Have you maybe considered laying down on a couch and discuss your strange feelings/ideas and obvious paranoia with a CoG minister who are definitely qualified in these matters? Just make sure your councillor has acquainted himself with the thin lil booklet, "Revelation, Unveilled at Last!"

All the best while you try figuring it all out... and hang on to that crown, for all you know, Dennis is a crown-hunter, in cohorts with those Crow a wearing beasties ... Just saying ...

PS: I notice you still find it difficult to decide when to use "AN" instead of "A" and vice versa -- you can easily check the rule via GOOGLE (BTW, English ain't my mother tongue)

nck said...

Yes Dennis.

It was very clear that the Magii were directed by the stars.

It seems there has been a lot of theorizing about man translating esoteric concepts to the physical and vice versa.

There are the European Cathedrals as a mathemetical precision clock reflecting the nature of God and the order of the universe.

The pyramids seem to mirror principles found in the heavens.

In the South of France there is a humonguous "natural temple" that cannot be seen with eyes but only through conceptual thinking.

The ancients seemed to build along the concepts of leylines. There seems to be mathemetical precision in where the ancients understood mankind could communicate with "the other world". Many midieaval churches stand on the same locations as the ancient "wormholes."

A prime example are the Nazca lines in Peru. These mathemetical depictions of animals cannot be seen with the naked eye. Only from the skye. Of course at the time of construction no man was able to fly. Only the magician or the initiated could have their spirit soar under the influence of stimulating plants. During the soaring of the spirit people probably could "fly" and see and imagine their token animals as projected on the ground.

The evidence of the connection between the book of revelation its imagery and the ancient magii from the East is compelling. Personally I believe it does enforce the message of the bible not diminish it. But perhaps that is just me a highly conceptual thinker believing that it all sprang from the mind, the mind that works wonders and perhaps is able to connect to "godly" qualities if we so desire. We are flesh and dust. I agree.


nck said...


In addition.

I have visited most of the significant religious locations produced by mankind among them the "Mother Godess" that towers the world and was irreverently renamed after a New Zealander treading her side.

-man made locations
-natural temples

Most of them have some allignment with the stars above.
Unfortunately the war in Mali has prevented me to sit with the Dogon and have drink while contemplating the meaning of the "Dog star." I am pretty sure their ideas about that star have been polluted by Western travellers. Always horrible to hear a guide explain ancient national symbols from a book by some esoteric westerner.

Mankind has looked to the sky for answers and contemplate their mortality and toil.
What is the use of building something over generations that memorizes our time bound existence through our toils or thinking.
What is the use of the space program?

Is it not this longing that led my mother to explain Armstrongite doctrine to her kid that God would record our doings on earth on a cassette tape called character and ressurect that recording after our physical body had served its purpose.


nck said...


Correction to major omission. I said we are flesh and dust.

For those truly in the know.



Anonymous said...

Mock and nit pick all you want. Mine is a common experience.

Anonymous said...

It is funny how so many people believe the story of Jesus to be absolutely true in all its details with-out questioning the story's origin. It appears to me that many of the details of the story of Jesus is inspired by the movement of the sun and astrological signs in the stars. Is Jesus nothing but the "sun" of God?

RSK said...

(shrug) The post sounds more to me like aside speculation than motivated by "crown stealing". Certainly not the excited stance of those who claimed that since the moon eclipsed the sun in Virgo over a portion of the world recently, it must be the "woman" of Rev giving birth to her man child (which was touted by a commenter on this very blog, IIRC). But hey, whatever. If it makes ya feel better, run down to a Burger King and grab you one of those cardboard crowns.

DennisCDiehl said...

nck said...
Yes Dennis.

It was very clear that the Magii were directed by the stars.

NCK, It's even more clear that the Magi WERE stars. Three exactly in the belt of Orion

""Osiris's coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the belt of Orion, which point directly to Osiris's star in the east, Sirius (Sothis), significator of his birth."
Barbara Walker, The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets (749)

In Winter, the three stars of Orion pointed to Sirius as they rose before the Sun . Sirius announced the birth of the Sun in Winter. NightFlix prophets and writers borrowed heavily from Egypt right down the road.

The sky story doesn't translate so well at times and leaves us wondering why Herod could not follow the Magi "Star" of the Gospels himself. The conversation with Herod is made up is mostly why and Luke never heard of this story in his version. The author of Matthew was notorious for embellishing and making up his version from the OT which is why it looks so much like fulfilled prophecy. Also, stars don't hover over specific houses and no, you can't apologize for the problem with calling the star and angel. Persian Magicians/Priests don't get Angels. They get stars.

As below :)

DennisCDiehl said...

If you excise the birth stories from Matthew and Luke, the books read just fine and you'd never know they had been there. They were inserted later to combat rumors about Jesus birth circumstances. Neither story agrees with the other and it is obvious neither had ever read the others when writing theirs.

If Revelation was written in the 60's during the final Summer before the Fall of Jerusalem as encouragement that failed to the Jews and Jewish Christians that Rome would fall etc, this them of writing stories from Starlore was well established before the Gospels which brought the stories down to earth for the common folk to better "get".

DennisCDiehl said...

"So here we go again with another crown stealing article by Dennis, while insisting that I and others cannot discern his motives. No Dennis, you are not mentally invisible. There is a small army of people like yourself."

Hi there.
I'm not even physically invisible much less mentally. I live in Milwaukie, Oregon right off....well you get the point. And who are you and why are you physically invisible?

You don't have to discern my motives. I'll tell you what they are. Origins. Understanding origins of everything from religious stories to the fossils embedded in the earth is helpful in the pursuit of what actually is and where our beliefs and practices come from.

Bible stories are written, as I was taught as a child, as "Earthly stories with Heavenly meanings." And so it is. We just happen to live in a time where we also can question the origins and meaning of Heaven and The Heavens. Two different things.

The church of God , it's ministers and certainly it's leaders are locked in a very small world of understanding the world/solar system/galaxy/universe they live in. Many ministers along the way have quietly agreed with much outside their "beliefs" but cannot take it to the brethren "because I might lose my job" (Exact quote) That's pretty pathetic which is why one can't really grow much in an organization. Being organized means being cut off from much that does not suit the organization.

Progress in understanding would be slow indeed if we relied on organizations and not those who read, critically think no matter the cost and live outside the boxes.

DennisCDiehl said...

And too Anon 8:05 My phone number is 864 905 9506 Give me a call and we'll chat....

Visible enough for you?

Anonymous said...

God's plan IS written in the heavens. A little physical and spiritual research will prove that, as well as some of the signs that have been appearing in the past several years. Do you think that God created this endless universe without a purpose? Think again.

DennisCDiehl said...

Anonymous said...
God's plan IS written in the heavens.

I appreciate the sentiment but it is humans looking up at what they did not understand imagining what a god would write in the heavens. They made stories out of the Zodiac (the path the planets and sun travel across the sky). Even Job refers to the Zodiac and that "God" put it there along with the star Arcturus and the Pleiades etc.

The constellations of course are just imagined as bears and thrones and virgins and eagles. The stars that make them up are not related to each other and are only line of sight phenomenon. They also change shapes over time as stars move. I could make a star configuration look like Michael Jackson if I wanted. The ones chosen don't often look much like what they are called but are imagined to and the reason is that each month's constellation has meaning to the observers and inventor of the creature they see.

For example, Leo the Lion is during the fierce heat of a Middle Eastern Summer. Cancer the crab is just after the summer high point of the sun (Solstice) and now since the sun will be going "backwards" towards winter...crabs were seen to walk backwards. Scales are seen in the Fall to weigh out the crops for sale and judge their worth. Sagittarius, the Archer is late Fall to pierce and kill the SUN (Think about that one in regards to the Crucifixion) ...and so on. Each has a purpose to remind the observer of what goes on with the Sun at each time of year and it's an oft told tale.

It Xmas it stops going south to the observer and lingers 3 days from the 21st to the 24th as if "dead" On the 25th it registers its firs 1 degree move North to take away the darkness of winter (sins of the world?) and arrive at the Spring Equinox overcoming Winter with Easter where the Sun rises due east and the days and nights are equal with day now longer than night. It's a story. It's why the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus is a Spring event. Easter or Passover where the Sun passes over, finally, the line of longer days than dark nights of winter.

It's true :)

Connie Schmidt said...

If Jesus was born on December 25th he would be a CAPRICORN ... a goat, analogous to Satan?

If born in the Fall , then he would be a Virgo... child of a Virgin?

12 Tribes of Israel , each analogous to one of the signs of the ecliptic/zodiac? Anciently, each of the tribes did indeed identify with one of the zodiac signs, ie, Judah = Leo. etc.

Perhaps God did layout some type of message in the stars. He obviously made them and would know what magnitude and pattern they would form on the Earth, and could have just as easily had made them uniform in appearance. Why even create them in the first place and for what purpose, now or in the future. There are many mysterious questions to life, for both the believer and for the skeptic as well.

DennisCDiehl said...

And please understand...I am not trying, wanting to or desiring to "steal your Crown".

There is simply is more to be aware of in our world of thought and practice and why we think and do as we do than the Church of God mentality allows for. I realize that new perspectives are threatening to those we either currently or once held dear and true. But the day you think you have found it all you have lost out on what also there is to understand. Men like Dave Pack think they have found it all. They have found nothing and every day they prove that what they find needs adjustments, change and even sometimes disposal. They don't do it willingly but are forced to because of rigid beliefs which are hardly in time proven to be truths.

All of us, myself as well, crave and want to know "what it's all about." Why are we here? What is there to learn? What is a human? Where did we come from? What is consciousness and why do have it? If you think you can get those answers solely from a Bronze/Iron Age Book, you are limiting yourself to a very small worldview and will not grow in the grace and knowledge you claim to want to grow in.

The Church of God crow in their Grace and Knowledge, but all too often it signifies nothing but just that...crowing.

Cannot say it better...

“Sit down before fact as a little child, be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. I have only begun to learn content and peace of mind since I have resolved at all risks to do this.”

― Thomas Henry Huxley, Life and Letters of Thomas Henry Huxley - Volume 1

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:05, You have go be very careful when expressing your religious views to atheistards because they can get rather violent. I've seen it happen, if you disagree with them they get hostile and I've seen that they want to fight.

True Bread said...

using the Constellations to derive some meaning of life is pretty much the definition of astrology....or astro-theology.

I recommend Jordan Maxwell and Michael Tsarion...tons of their stuff on YT...been watching them for over 20 years.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Dennis!(For also finding what the hundreds of hours that my wife and and I have taken to find while researching, independently of your looking at things.)