Friday, April 5, 2019

Should We Stone the False Prophets and False Teachers of Armstrongism?

ISIS’s Persecution of Gay People

Our favorite self-appointed fool who pretends to be the leader of the ONLY true Church of God doing a work in these end times, is unhappy with Chicago electing a lesbian mayor and happy with Brunei proclaiming shariah law this week that they will stone to death gays and adulterers. Nothing excites some of the more legalistic Armstrong Church of God leaders than a good stoning.  If some had their way the list would include rebellious spouses, loud mouthed children and bloggers who do not respect them. Death can never come too quickly!

The self-appointed Elijah fool writes:
The city of Chicago voted in a lesbian to be its next mayor:
April 3, 2019
CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago Mayor-elect Lori Lightfoot’s resounding victory was a clear call for change at City Hall and a historic repudiation of the old-style, insider politics that have long defined the nation’s third-largest city.
Lightfoot, a former federal prosecutor who’d never been elected to public office, defeated Cook County Board President and longtime City Council member Toni Preckwinkle on Tuesday with backing from voters across the city. Late results showed Lightfoot, 56, winning every one of the city’s 50 wards.
Lightfoot also made history, becoming the first black woman and the first openly gay person to be elected Chicago mayor. Chicago will become the largest U.S. city to have a black woman serve as mayor when Lightfoot is sworn in May 20. 
The Bible warns against homosexuality and lesbianism, as well as approving such behaviors:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,  …
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1:18-32)
As far as deserving of death, many in the world are outraged by a new law in Brunei:

3 April 2019
New sharia laws in Brunei include death by stoning for gay sex and adultery. Experts say the harsh punishment is unlikely to be implemented due to the high bar of proof. …
Global condemnation 
There has been international condemnation of the legal revisions pushed by Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, one of the world’s richest men who has wielded power in the tiny tropical nation for nearly five decades.
Germany, France and the United States have condemned the new laws as incompatible with Brunei’s human rights commitments and called for the sultan to reverse implementation.
Armstrongites and other legalistic preachers have always been quick to condemn others that they think are breaking the rules.  The vengeful laws of old covenant scripture are appropriate for these slackers, but never so much for the people in charge.  If it were equally applicable, 1/2 - 3/4's of the church leaders and ministry would be dead.   But no, it is only for those grievous sinners OUTSIDE the circles of the most converted church on the face of the earth.

Elijah Elisha ben Thiel continues:
Stoning was specifically listed as the appropriate punishment for adultery in the Old Testament:
22 “If a man is found lying with a woman married to a husband, then both of them shall die–the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall put away the evil from Israel. 23 “If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he humbled his neighbor’s wife; so you shall put away the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 22:22-24)
He is particularly incensed that the idea of stoning people is being prophibited by the good folk North of the border in Canada:
The Bible considers adultery and homosexuality capital crimes:
12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death. They have committed perversion. Their blood shall be upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:12-13) 
Perhaps it should be mentioned that since a court decision in 2002, Canada has restricted freedom to quote and cite portions of the Bible like Leviticus 20:13...
Elijah Bob believes that he has the right to get up and spout idiotic nonsense as a self-appointed Elijah to the church and the world.  The problem here is, just how many Elijah's does the Armstrongite Churches of God, or the world, need?  How many hundreds of Elijah's have come and gone in the church over the decades, with every single one of them proven to be liars?  That has never stopped the current stream of idiots self-appointing themselves.  From Thiel and Malm to Weinalnd, Pack and Flurry, that list begins with a roaring start and will never end till Armstrongism is dead

All of these men are lairs and have NOT been appointed or sent by God to proclaim a message to the church or the world.  They love to spout scripture against those they deem unworthy, but fail to ever read the scriptures that were written specifically FOR THEM!
Deuteronomy 13 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

The False Prophet

13 If a prophet or someone who has dreams arises among you and proclaims a sign or wonder to you, and that sign or wonder he has promised you comes about, but he says, ‘Let us follow other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us worship them,’ do not listen to that prophet’s words or to that dreamer. For the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. You must follow the Lord your God and fear Him. You must keep His commands and listen to His voice; you must worship Him and remain faithful[a] to Him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he has urged rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the place of slavery, to turn you from the way the Lord your God has commanded you to walk. You must purge the evil from you.

Don’t Tolerate Idolatry

“If your brother, the son of your mother,[b] or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and worship other gods’—which neither you nor your fathers have known, any of the gods of the peoples around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other— you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity,[c] and do not spare him or shield him. Instead, you must kill him. Your hand is to be the first against him to put him to death, and then the hands of all the people.10 Stone him to death for trying to turn you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the place of slavery. 11 All Israel will hear and be afraid, and they will no longer do anything evil like this among you.
12 “If you hear it said about one of your cities the Lord your God is giving you to live in, 13 that wicked men have sprung up among you, led the inhabitants of their city astray, and said, ‘Let us go and worship other gods,’ which you have not known, 14 you are to inquire, investigate, and interrogate thoroughly. If the report turns out to be true that this detestable thing has happened among you, 15 you must strike down the inhabitants of that city with the sword. Completely destroy everyone in it as well as its livestock with the sword. 16 You are to gather all its spoil in the middle of the city square and completely burn up the city and all its spoil for the Lord your God. The city must remain a mound of ruins forever; it is not to be rebuilt. 17 Nothing set apart for destruction is to remain in your hand, so that the Lord will turn from His burning anger and grant you mercy, show you compassion, and multiply you as He swore to your fathers. 18 This will occur if you obey the Lord your God, keeping all His commands I am giving you today, doing what is right in the sight of the Lord your God.
Is Elijah Bob ready to have his family murdered in front of him, his home and businesses ground down to a mound of ruin?  Since he is a self-appointed false prophet and certified liar leading people astray, isn't that what he deserves?  If it is good for the gays and adulterers he wants to stone, then it has to be equally good for the dreaming false teacher Bob, right?

But then, this is an Armstrongite Church of God leader we are talking about and scripture never applies to them.  80 some years of Armstrongism has proven that.


Anonymous said...

Bitter Bwana Bob is blunt and even cruel in how he assesses other "professing" Christians, so let's do unto him as he does unto others.

Do not forget that God has cursed Bob with a defective, retarded, son. You cannot find in Scripture any true prophet of God who was given retarded children by that God. God has withheld from Bob any healing of that son, and has answered "No" every time his severely retarded son has been prayed for and/or anointed.

Bob wants us to believe that there is a God who anoints a man with a special double-portion for prophethood, yet who at the same time curses that man with a son who requires constant attention, which, if given, wouldn't leave Bob with enough time left over to play prophet.

Hey, maybe that's what's really going on! Bob feels guilty that he doesn't want to devote his whole life to the care of that child, but he knows it would be obviously selfish if he spent his time on his naturopathic business instead of on the defective child. But if God asks Bob to spend time on His Work, as His Prophet, who can argue against God? Being a prophet gives Bob something else to do in good conscience, rather than be a guilty parent burdened with a high-maintenance special needs child.

Anonymous said...

Part of me recoils at your comments about his son above, but part of me totally agrees with you. Thiel has said many outrageous and disgusting things about Christians. He should be ashamed, but his mind is incapable of ever doing such a thing. He is so perverted that he believes he was anointed by God to do a work. Herbert Armstrong would have kicked him to the curb many times over and publicly humiliated him in front of the entire church for his bombastic self-centered lies. If HWA could kick out his own son out and publicly mark him, imagine how little feeling he would have for Bob!

Anonymous said...

This is a prime example of what happens when one rejects Jesus and the new covenant and embraces the old covenant. This is why so many mock him and he cannot understand why.

Byker Bob said...

Aren't these false prophets already stoned? Armstrongism alters the normal good parts of human nature just as surely as any drug or alcohol!

These false prophets are seriously bent, or they wouldn't believe their own shit. Actually, maybe they don't so much believe it as recognize if as a revenue-producing hook! Guess it just goes to prove once again that you are what you eat!


Anonymous said...

I get it. I understand why christians like Bob think they need to stick their noses into everyone else's private lives and dictate how they must live their lives.

Bob thinks JewZeus, an ancient Jewish comic book superhero who lives in the sky is going to be upset with anyone who doesn't live like Bob thinks they should live, and JewZeus is going to punish them horribly.

What's more, JewZeus will punish even those who DO live by Bob's rules, if it turns out they aren't nosy enough, and if they don't FORCE everyone else to live by Bob's rules, regardless of what everyone else believe or doesn't believe.

The only problem is all that is utterly stupid. Comic book superheroes aren't real, regardless of when the comic book was written. And they certainly aren't going to punish anyone who lives in the real world. Besides, if your favorite comic book superhero is supposed to rain devastation down upon planet Earth, I think you need to re-evaluate whether he's actually a hero or a villain.

So mind your own business and stop being a jerk. It's not your job to tell anyone else how to live. It's as simple as that.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noted Thiel's blogpost "Could Jesus possibly have been resurrected on a Sunday?" ( in which he regurgitates the disproven arguments of HWA that Christ died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. He cites from RA Torrey and even Jerry Falwell as if that proves the theory correct, but even the latter notes his belief that irrespective of when Christ died He rose on Sunday or the first day of the week (ie Saturday night after the Sabbath had ended). Thiel also quotes an anecdote from Hislop's flawed scholarship as if this irrelevant story confirms the Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday resurrection and yet even Hislop notes, according to a former Catholic priest's testimony that "in that year the resurrection took place, not at mid-day, but at nine o’clock on the evening of Saturday," which again would make it Sunday or the first day of the week, according to the Bible and Jewish reckoning of days.

Anonymous said...

This talk about stoning those guilty of capital crimes reminds me of an incident a few years ago when ISIS was destroying ancient artifacts in the Middle East. A group of COG members I attended brought this topic up as if it was bad that they were blowing up all of these ancient monuments of pagan gods etc. I had to remind them that didn't the God of Israel dictate that His people should destroy all the pagan idols of her enemies?! So what's the problem? Aren't they doing something that should've been done by His people a very long time ago?

Anonymous said...

Give people power, and suddenly the rules don't apply to them. And they believe that they have a right to this double standard. Ministers and former work bosses come to mind.

nck said...


Excellent point.

At 12 years old at one of my first YOU trips, during a walk we past an old catholic church. I commented favorably on the edifice.

Our youth leader responded that he looked forward to the day we were going to blow up all church buildings.

Asking my parents about such savagery (as an avid history lover), my parents responded that this (new convert) was raised in a catholic household. This was sufficient explanation for me until the day I was able to visit and apreciate every single major building related to any major world religion and travel Pauls entire route and most of the apostles travels.


Anonymous said...

Of course, let's blow up all the pagan idols. Cause if I were to see one, I would be overwhelmed by the desire to worship it. The temptation would be overbearing. Blow them all up.

Anonymous said...

Many people believe that Jesus Christ is the God of the OT, it also says God never changes. How can one reconcile the OT God, one who is always finding ways to kill and destroy people for every little thing they may do wrong and use fear as a weapon against them against Jesus Christ in the NT that promotes grace and forgiveness? I personally do not believe its the same God. Not if He's the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. The OT does reference other gods and says there is a council, so maybe the fear factor didn't do what was expected for the one in charge at that time. New boss in the house.

Tonto said...

To quote from the old Bob Dylan song..."Everybody must get Stoned" !!

Anonymous said...

Bitter Bob wrote:

The city of Chicago voted in a lesbian to be its next mayor

Some of you misunderstand Bob's objections. Even HWA appointed a queer man to be one of his top evangelists, traveling the world to promote the glories of HWA. Another of HWA's top evangelists had a collection of photographs of naked boys. Yes, you misunderstand the problem entirely.

What Bob objects to is the fact that the people of Chicago voted for their mayor. In the Magnificent Mickey Mouse Millennium, God will do things the proper way and will appoint all mayors!

Byker Bob said...

Funny thing is, if Bob Thiel became a lesbian so that he could run for mayor, people would still not like him, and they certainly would not vote for him. Also, forget about appointment in the Millennium! Apparently, Rod passed on that already!

Some problems are just too big to be solved!


Anonymous said...

nick said: "At 12 years old at one of my first YOU trips, during a walk we past an old catholic church. I commented favorably on the edifice. Our youth leader responded that he looked forward to the day we were going to blow up all church buildings. Asking my parents about such savagery (as an avid history lover), my parents responded that this (new convert) was raised in a catholic household. This was sufficient explanation for me until the day I was able to visit and apreciate every single major building related to any major world religion and travel Pauls entire route and most of the apostles travels."

I can appreciate ancient monuments and cathedrals like anyone else nck and have many times on my travels to Europe in the past. I'm an avid lover of history too. But, perhaps I can appreciate more the comment of the YOU leader coming from a Catholic background myself and growing ever more disgusted by the actions (or inactions) of the Catholic Church especially regarding child sexual abuse.

Anonymous 2:22 AM said: "Of course, let's blow up all the pagan idols. Cause if I were to see one, I would be overwhelmed by the desire to worship it. The temptation would be overbearing. Blow them all up."

I think there's more to it than just blowing "pagan idols" up. So in this case, what do such artifacts represent? False gods and a false ideology. Hence, like we're seeing with other competing ideologies like Communism or Islamism the destruction of any competition or its symbols be it physical, cultural, political, financial, religious, etc. just like the Islamic destruction of the Twin Towers or the Buddhas of Bamiyan, etc. It just depends on whose god or ideology is accepted as supreme and dominates an area. We've seen this throughout history time and again all over the world and will continue to see it especially in the near future.

nck said...


I hear ya. I just related an experience. The response however did not bring me closer to the intended purpose.

I will have no rest until those that blew up bamiyan are dead (mission accomplished) and those that destroyed the Yezidi (devil worship according to the criminal interpretation) culture through the molesting of the women are brought to justice.

I loathe the us administration that opposes the International Criminal Court and to this day defend WCG's support of that institution through the sponsoring of activities that enhanced and profiled international criminal justice on a diplomatic level amongst the nations.

It was a great day of personal satisfaction when Milosovich was floen in a blinded GIV plane to meet justice after his efforts to destroy anothers culture through violence as opposed to education.

And I laugh at those who chime in versus wcg activities that our connecting of the Indian judges with the Japanese sponsors of the court was a waste of money.

Who else should have been sponsored as you study the dissenting opinion at the Tokyo war trial?


Anonymous said...

"Should We Stone the False Prophets and False Teachers of Armstrongism?"

I might not be the prosecution, but I'd still like to hear their defense.