Saturday, November 16, 2019

Dave Pack: Sell Your Land and Homes so I can Build My Bigger Barns..and Lands...and Homes!



RCG just released another amazing video about their 104-acre compound. 

How have they acquired so much land? How have they bought so many homes? How have they built so many brand new homes? Gardens? Barns? Horses? 

So many blessings from God. But how?

Easy, they have drummed into the RCG flock that they must "sell all" and all things must be "common." Spiritual coercion of the most disgusting sort has been going on for years. Funny how when all things were common in the first century (admittedly a totally different teaching), we never see any evidence of amassed wealth for the apostles.

But don't worry, just a year ago Dave said,"Release Your Assets to God! Sell all as you are waiting for the Lord. Even if the Work has no time to use it. Won't change my salary. Won't build any more buildings. But it'll help you! Probably won't help us. But it'll help you! God's looking at your heart."

He has named several dates over the last year (and several years) that his Jesus was about to return. He failed every time. But during his feverish-prophetic stirring of the people he always drops the strong suggestion to "sell all", often with implicit spiritual threats of one's future. 

Recall the long official article that summarizes this teaching. It all came from a sermon series from Dave many years ago. http://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2016/08/david-c-pack-all-things-in-common-all.html

When will this end? 

Below is official RCG doctrine and the exact reason why they have built what they have. 


Frequently Asked Questions


Headquarters has been asked by many individuals and couples for assistance in determining how to obey Christ’s command, based on their circumstances. No two situations are identical, but certain questions regularly arise.

Q: Is Common paid or given?

A: Mr. Pack answered this question in the more recent of the sermons mentioned above. He was speaking in the context of Christ’s instruction about profitable and unprofitable servants: “Is Common commanded? Is it paid or is it given? Is it an offering or like a tithe? The answer? It is both. You are commanded to give it and it is your duty. As a matter of fact, if you do give your “Common,” you could still be an unprofitable servant because everybody must do it. It is a baseline. So it will not automatically get you into the kingdom of God. However, I used both terms because everybody (much like a Holy Day offering or any other offering) must decide what they believe is the portion they keep back. Where do you set the limit? The person who gives more versus the one who gives less defines who is profitable to God and who is not.

“Somebody can give a huge amount and a great many poor of this world can hear the gospel, yet the person who gave may not even reach the kingdom. Have you thought of that? It was their ‘commanded duty.’ But they become profitable to God when they say, ‘You know what?…I have an awesome job, unlike anybody else. Look at my house. Look at my cars. Look at my clothes. Look at my steady income…I do not need this much and can give more than I think.’ Such people can go further than they often think. God does not define your portion, your part, your allotment. You do.”

Q: What are the typical pitfalls?

A: We have at times seen members fall into two opposite ditches:

(1) Giving so much that they bring themselves to the brink of financial insolvency. This happens less often, and is solved by looking at income, expenses and debt while deciding how much to give. Headquarters can provide counsel to help prevent this.

(2) Mistaking merely “a nice offering” for the “all” that Common requires. To illustrate, think of a member with $1 million in the bank. (This would be rare.) He has simplified his lifestyle to a reasonable level, and does not need more than his current income to cover his monthly expenses. He has determined that a prudent savings, based on various factors, is $15,000. He learns of the Common doctrine, evaluates his circumstances…and decides to give $300,000 to the Work. While this is a very large amount—far beyond the capability of most—it still leaves him with $685,000 of excess funds he does not need. He has given—and that helps the Work!—but he is not “all in.” He has not truly obeyed Christ’s command—or even come close. Consider the widow of Mark 12: “Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And He called unto Him His disciples, and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that this poor widow has cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: for all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living” (vs. 41-44). Though the amount the widow gave was tiny, she had deeply sacrificed.

Q: Must I sell my house?

A: Other verses make clear we may have a home. Paul asked the rhetorical question, “Have you not houses to eat and to drink in?” (I Cor. 11:22). Also, Sabbath services were generally held in members’ homes in the first century (Rom. 16:5; I Cor. 16:19), still often the case today. In modern times, Common applies to second homes, vacation cottages, investment properties, land and other unnecessary assets.

Regarding primary residences, a distinction must be made between a home used as shelter and a place from which to extend hospitality, and one held as an asset—a “stockpile” of equity. Again, in this age, there are banking instruments that allow one to live in a house—and “own” very little of it—in the exact same way as if it was owned outright.

Q: What about my retirement account?

A: According to many plain scriptures, Christians do not retire. The Fourth Commandment alone makes this plain: “Six days shall you labor, and do all your work” (Ex. 20:9). Another crucial verse states, “Even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat” (II Thes. 3:10). (Of course, it is natural to slow down somewhat as we age.)

Mr. Pack said this in “How a Small Church Does Such Big Things (Part 2)”: “Retirement is unbiblical, period. That is why Mr. Armstrong said, ‘We will never retire’…Retirement is a sin if you are able-bodied…I have given a sermon on this, ‘The Work Ethic and The Work.’ Some may say, ‘Well, Mr. Pack, that is strong.’ Yes, it is strong, but God is strong! You cannot come into the Work and say, ‘I am retired because men told me I can.’ God does not say you can. Mr. Armstrong died at 93½ on the job; Moses, too, along with other servants of God. They retired into the grave. But a lot of people have amassed a lot of wealth, so they think they can retire because men told them they could. Retirement is another part of the culture out there that people marinate in…It is called the entitlement mindset.” (For more on this, listen to his full sermon series.)

Q: Does Proverbs 13:22 require Christians today to provide an inheritance to grandchildren?

A: This verse states, “A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children…” While this had direct application in ancient Israel during and beyond when it was written, the urgency of our time presents a very different scenario. We are living in the final age of the Church, with the signs of the end-time blaring at us minute-to-minute from the headlines! Our children would hardly have opportunity to spend an inheritance, never mind our grandchildrenWe are the generation who, at the 1,335 days, will have to leave behind everything but the clothing we are wearing. Just weeks later, our material goods will be plundered as the Great Tribulation arrives—there will be no neat distribution to inheritors.

Again quoting Mr. Pack: “I’m never going to leave my children anything. The same with all my grandchildren. Why? Because there is no possible way they would ever get it. Consider for a minute. At the resurrection of the dead, not one person will own land or a house. Not one living Christian in God’s Church will still have either. In fact, we will have decided three years and eight-and-a-half months earlier to leave our houses and lands. You will have left your dwelling…so the question becomes, will you give some of it now?

“The chances are, if you won’t give it now—and I’m not saying leave it—there are banking instruments in place where you do not need to leave your house. It’s different from the first century. You can pull money from your house and live in it as though you owned it outright. Of course no bank will let you be upside down in your house.

“Now consider. If you won’t give up your houses and lands now, you probably really won’t have to worry about giving them up at the time of “taken.” You’ll get to keep them for a little while longer, while all those who did give up houses, who did give up lands, and received them back again because God provides for them—with persecution—will again be willing to do it at the 1,335 days before Christ’s Return.

“We have two categories of people, as it were: Those who gave up houses twice, and those who won’t give them up at all. Take a look at what you have—gold, silver, 401Ks, stocks, coins, stamps, paintings, antiques, equity. What do you have that you don’t need? You can continue your lifestyle if you’re not acting in an affluent way (that’s not the calling of Christians). Don’t leave yourself with no clothes, standing out in an intersection without food in your stomach, or a house. You may need counsel, but there are a lot of things you can get rid of. Great numbers have already learned this.”

Q: To keep the Fifth Commandment, are we required to financially take care of parents?

A: We can and should do what we can to make sure our parents are in a safe environment and not lacking basic necessities. But Christians are not obligated to subsidize an upscale setting, even if they were once accustomed to it. Consider: When their minds are opened to the truth at the Second Resurrection, they will have an entirely different view in hindsight of converted children’s decisions. Will our parents look back and think, “Now I understand their actions—they did the right thing”—or will they say, “What were they thinking?!? They could have done so much more to help finish the Work!”

Q: My family/spouse/friends are opposed to me sending Common. How should I respond?

A: First, never tell family outside the Church about a command they have no chance to understand! (You would certainly never tell them even the size of a Holy Day offering.) Since we established that giving all is not possible without God, you should not expect those outside God’s Church to believe it is possible, or even a good idea. (This would also apply to a financial advisor, who would view any notion of “treasure in heaven” or being “rich toward God” as foolishness.) Remember: Family and friends cannot give eternal life. They cannot place a crown on your head or put you on a throne ruling cities beside Christ. Do not permit their opposition to jeopardize your eternal life and reward!

Recall Jesus’ instruction to one who wanted to delay following Him on account of family: “He [Jesus] said unto another, Follow Me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go you and preach the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:59-60).

Get counsel on this matter if you are unsure.

Q: My home/land/property is on the market but is not selling. What should I do?

A: Over time, while assisting many members liquidating real estate to benefit the Work, the Headquarters ministry has seen a pattern repeat itself many times: The seller must aggressively drop the price, often more than once in a short time, to find the market “sweet spot” that brings a serious buyer to the table. Almost always, the selling price is considerably below what the member had expected. The desire to give more to God’s Work through a higher price is wonderful, but generally speaking it is better to relatively quickly drop the price to one that will rapidly sell.

This evokes Christ’s parable of the unjust steward: “There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of you? Give an account of your stewardship; for you may be no longer steward. Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? For my lord takes away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

“I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses. So he called every one of his lord’s debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owe you unto my lord? And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take your bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty. Then said he to another, And how much owe you? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take your bill, and write fourscore.

“And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. And I say unto you, make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when you fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations. He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? And if you have not been faithful in that which is another man’s, who shall give you that which is your own?” (Luke 16:1-12).

Here is a quote from one of Mr. Pack’s sermons on Common regarding this parable: “Brethren, be like the unjust steward with your possessions. Maybe (proverbially) write 80 as he did, or write 50, so to speak. Again, get what you can for what you have. Holding out for the bigger price usually yields nothing, rather than more. We’d all like to think it will (rarely it can), but it may yield nothing. Be willing to scramble…That’s what the unjust steward did. He scrambled. We might say God’s Work is in a big hurry. We could move more quickly with our plans if God’s people moved quickly.

“Because of the compacting of the age and the ‘short Work’ (remember God picked a word in Romans 9:28 that means compact), we must act quickly. We have to be jet-propelled. So we here must move at the speed you move. Go to God for that extra help. Those are some things worth considering in regard to the unjust steward.”

Submitted by Anonymous

46 comments:

R.L. said...

Retirement may be turning into a doctrinal battleground, even in COGs.

Jim Franks of COGWA writes in the October-November One Accord that the principle of retirement is in the Bible, such as Levites in the temple in Numbers 4.

Yet David Pack seems to have some mainstream ministries on his side, such as Chuck Swindoll.

Anonymous said...

What a despicable human being.
Worthless piece of garbage.
Your God is yourself David Pack.

May all your money perish with you.

DennisCDiehl said...

Beautiful grounds built on lies, bullshit theology, failed "prophecies" and the ego of one delusional personality that can spin ridiculous answers to questions that should never have to come up. Dave is the author of yet another "Great Disappointment" often seen in the anals ...oops, annals, of Christian zealotry and the classic pious convictions rooted in marginal information.

Dave is not smart. He is not near as intelligent as he himself and others make him out to be. Just watching his Creationism series taken apart by those who know better is enough to illustrate that. He might be clever but that gives him too much credit as well. He is delusional and badly mistaken in who he thinks he is, what he thinks he is doing and where he thinks he is leading the sheep.

Nothing Dave says will actually come to pass and no Jesus is coming soon or ever to fulfill his theological fantasies.

I'd encourage RCG members and MINISTRY to think long and hard about "Common" and DO NOT FEAR TO RETIRE, EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN OUTSIDE OF RCG, KEEP YOUR WELL EARNED RESOURCES AND TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF FIRST. GIVE AS YOU ARE ABLE IS YOU MUST. DO NOT GIVE BY COMMAND OF DAVE PACK FOR DAVE PACK. DO NOT LISTEN TO DAVE PACK"S OPINIONS ON YOUR RESOURCES AND FUTURE SECURITY.

This posting should be sent to the Akron Beacon Journal/Religion Editor

TLA said...

Dennis - do you really think Dave Pack is delusional?
Maybe he is just wicked.

Religion is the legal way to take people's money. As long as the scamster pays his or her taxes they are safe from the law.

DennisCDiehl said...

Perhaps it is better stated that Dave Pack has no wisdom in his practices and teachings. One can be a stable genius with unmatched wisdom in one's mind, but it is not actually so and proven one mistaken notion and failed idea at a time.

Tonto said...

Really glad that he has a "compound" and beautiful little landscaped facility , just like Jesus and the Apostles did. LOL!

I had to smile , when on the video at 7:37 mark, they show how there are now horses and stables on the compound grounds. What the announcer (who obviously was recruited because of his amazing voice similarity to Art Gilmore from World Tomorrow days) forgot to say was "that in addition to horses , the Wadsworth Compound also has the worlds biggest JACK ASS , one Dave Pack!"

What About The Truth said...

For those of you who are a little angered or are shaking your heads at this official doctrine of the RCG take note; this is the gentle version of their official doctrine. Maybe I should send in the official official version!

To highlight a few of non mentioned demands that are left out of this resource, the first place to start would be under the 5th commandment requirement. The RCG stated this in the original version: "Consider: When their minds are opened to the truth at the Second Resurrection, they will have an entirely different view in hindsight of converted children’s decisions. Will our parents look back and think, “Now I understand their actions—they did the right thing”—or will they say, “What were they thinking?!? They could have done so much more to help finish the Work!”

This paragraph didn't follow to ease the members mind on why they were not maintaining an upscale living situation for their aged parents, this paragraph followed the statement that no, you are not to financially take care of your parents because the government can do this and that is why you pay taxes! Now you will understand why the RCG wrote "OUR PARENTS WILL LOOK BACK and question our actions for leaving them in the complete care of the government!

The next piece for clarification is about owning your house. You can see see the doublespeak already, but the following statement carried a demand: "Again, in this age, there are banking instruments that allow one to live in a house—and “own” very little of it—in the exact same way as if it was owned outright".

That demand was, depending on the amount of equity your house had, you either were required to get a home equity loan or a second mortgage. So in the RCG, you only get to stay in your house as a renter and Mr. Pack is letting the member know it is the same as "if owned outright" (RIGHT!).

The next ludicrous statement from the RCG: "Since we established that giving all is not possible without God, you should not expect those outside God’s Church to believe it is possible, or even a good idea. (This would also apply to a financial advisor, who would view any notion of “treasure in heaven” or being “rich toward God” as foolishness".

This statement of (don't tell) was followed by if you in any way incur large tax responsibilities or other costs associated with drawing down your financial worth, you will be responsible for paying it!

Who would have thought that God's paradise on earth was built with such dirtiness? And who would have thought that the only way the poor could obtain the "gospel" was by having to build a paradise first.

I know times change, but we certainly have come a long way from when the messenger of the true gospel entered into Jerusalem sitting on a donkey. A Godly work backed by power and signs and wonders is no where to be found nor desired by organizations who trust in money alone.

Mr. Pack has said he no longer has a desire to leave what he calls "a millennial splendor". Does anyone think his daily prayer includes thy millennial kingdom come?

It is time for the members of the RCG to build their own paradise just like Mr. Pack has, and then give to the poor. "All things common" will have a completely different perspective when that happens.







Anonymous said...

The houses and barns and horses don’t seem to be legitimate expenses for the 501 c3 business. FRAUD!

Ronco said...

"This posting should be sent to the Akron Beacon Journal/Religion Editor "

Based on past experience, they would just blow it off.

"The silver is mine and the gold is mine- and your little dog too, saith apostle David C Pack."

-Acts of the 21st Century Apostles


Anonymous said...


No matter how nice the RCG cult compound looks, Dave Pack will still be a nasty, lying, thieving, FALSE apostle/Joshua/Elijah/prophet/messiah.

It is too bad that the people who do so much for a bad character like Dave Pack do not do anything for a better splinter group.

Anonymous said...

RCG says: "We are living in the final age of the Church, with the signs of the end-time blaring at us"

They have not given evidence to back up this assertion.

Anonymous said...

Pack’s spiel re retirement is totally skewed (Here’s a more balanced biblical explanation of retirement https://godscareerguide.com/retirement-and-the-bible/).

I noticed he refers to his idol HWA as his example whether retirement is “Christian” or not. The fact is HWA didn’t really work like most anyway. DCP doesn’t work like most either. Their tithe slaves work, sacrifice and own children go without to support the likes of HWA and DCP’s lavish lifestyle. If only the lifestyles could be reversed and their tithe slaves taste what it’s like to live like DCP for a day or week and he lives and works like his tithe slaves! I’m sure the tithe slaves would be thinking they’ve retired and gone to heaven! I think DCP would have a better appreciation of retirement then! lol DCP’s ban of retirement is like the Nazi view to keep people working like slaves till they die—arbeit macht frei and all (rolls eyes!)

Anonymous said...

Did you catch it at 7:30 in video:
they say
"We are at the final stages of preparing it for its debut on the world scene.."

And just what is this "Debut on the world scene"?
Jesus' glorious coming to the Pack's Rustbelt garden

Reality:
It will be carved up by Residential redevelopers like Herb's failed California folly.

Anonymous said...

The skeptics were right:
The wrecking ball did eventually demolish Perbvert's Millennial Pipedream

Pack's 100-acre Rustbelt-Reboot is an even more unsound financial delusion!

Anonymous said...

It's all about power and control. Power and control on your life. Pack gets more criticism than others because he concentrates the control on members money.
But power and control has eroded all church of God organisation's for years and it's going to get worse as they get older.

Anonymous said...

Indeed!

Anonymous said...

That’s cogwa talking about ministerial retirement primarily.

Anonymous said...

Dennis
Like many others on this blog, I have shared insights about the lies and evil ploys used by HWA and his splinters. It's not safe for me and others to give out personal information. Such information can be weaponized and used as a club. You utilize privacy when it's in your self interest, so you should respect others right to do the same.
In case you missed it, it's safe for you to be open about your personal life because others perceive you a spiritual failure

Anonymous said...

Couldn't agree more Dennis! This should be sent to the Akron Beacon Journal and all other local media.

Anonymous said...

This practice of common that Pack uses is the fastest way to destroy a marriage in as little time as possible, in less than 6 months. Faster and more effective than even an affair. How is the spouse supposed to fight this? One finds themselves in the position of doing whatever is necessary to protect themselves from the one person they trusted the most.

What About The Truth said...



Anonymous said...
This practice of common that Pack uses is the fastest way to destroy a marriage in as little time as possible, in less than 6 months. Faster and more effective than even an affair. How is the spouse supposed to fight this? One finds themselves in the position of doing whatever is necessary to protect themselves from the one person they trusted the most.

November 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM

Yes indeed, and lest two of the companion verbal demands to the written "Common" doctrine are forgotten, Mr. Pack demanded that just because you men in the church have a non attending spouse, does not mean you are not obligated to give "Common". He said you men, as the biblical head of the household should be taking 100% of the household assets and sending it in as "Common". Mr. Pack followed that statement with that does not mean you women in the church who have non attending spouses are off the hook. He said you women are entitled to 50% of the household assets, so go get it and send it in!

Dave Pack with no promised land in front of him to take for himself decided in the most twisted way possible to plunder, spoil and pillage his own army to create his own promised land and stronghold. The result is one man is entrenched behind a gate and many others are left defenseless with shattered families, lost houses, ill health and whatever else has befallen the conquered.

There was a mentality behind this conduct all along. Mr. Diehl has touched upon the early examples many times. In the move forward, the reason Mr. Pack declared himself an apostle was because he knew there were 40+ ordained Evangelists out there who could possibly join his church and OUTRANK him. That couldn't happen in his mind.

So it is the same type of thinking and action he incorporated against his membership - a membership who would not be allowed in any shape or form to have any tangible assets that would be more than he has. Hopefully the picture is seen for what this is really all about and hopefully it is seen from where the source of all of it comes from. There is an entity who operated the exact same way in declaring that he would ascend unto the most high. Two minds thinking alike and operating alike.

No thanks to your dirty gotten paradise Mr. Pack, I will take take the paradise with the tree of life in the midst of it, not the one infested with snake(s).

Anonymous said...

Thanks for finally writing about >"Dave Pack: Sell Your Land and Homes so I can Build My Bigger Barns..and Lands...and Homes!" <Liked it!

Byker Bob said...

I personally consider retirement to be identity theft. However, I've been blessed with a strong constitution and have taken good care of my body and mind pretty much all my life with the exception of about a ten year partying patch as I came down from 1972-75 and the WCG. Then I read some articles dealing with longevity and toughness in Easyriders Magazine which had become my new Plain Truth for one period of my life.

Dave Pack has always been very articulate in his perversions of Christianity. We, of course, are immune to his rationalizations. However, some hang on his every word, or at the very least obey as if they would go to the Lake of Fire if they failed to obey. I am sure there are even some who follow his directives even as they hate them but are praying for a "better" attitude.

The guy is a despot with too numerous complexes to even begin to explain, although we certainly have a handle on the most obvious ones.

He has certainly found ways to squeeze blood from a turnip. His campus bears testimony for his ability to build a monument to himself even as his membership continues to shrink accompanied by an uptick in median age.

BB

Anonymous said...

The good thing, same day Pack will return to dust. Sadly, by that time thousands of lives will have been ruined in may ways, including obviously financially. These fooled members will one day have to face the fact that that were duped big time. Will they then accept it and rebuild their lives outside the fantasy world of Armstrong ideas? Some will, most won't. Too painful to toss it all and build on a foundation of true freedom without religion.

Anonymous said...

Now I wanna join the LCG -- the Landscape Church of God

All you've gotta do is give him all your money and your house.

You give $300,000 and all you get is a Free Pony Ride overlooking PACK Mansion.

Anonymous said...

retirement is not christian???

does God require that I work for wages until I die? nope.

even though I no longer work for wages, I still work 6 days a week, there are many things I have to do...I just don't get paid for doing it (at least, not until the crop comes in)

maybe the problem is that if I have no wages, I have nothing to send in to headquarters....(and the value my garden produces is probably less than $100)

it's hard to believe anyone with a brain can fall for that clown.

Anonymous said...

This teaching is completely evil and a gross perversion of what is actually described in the book of Acts. Acts 2:44-46 states "All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they shared with anyone who was in need. With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courts and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart..." In other words they sold their possessions and goods to share with each other as needed, not to send it all into some over inflated ego maniac so he can then use it to get rich and continue to browbeat the brethren. This teaching goes beyond Stoned Stephen's earlier reference to "whoring for money" concerning how many of the cog groups approach the concept of tithing, because at least a whore offers something in return for her payment. This is open and blatant bullying and stealing. The wolf in this instance is exposing his teeth.

Concerned Sister

Anonymous said...

I've been looking at Dr Pack's new Mansion on satellite an it appears to be ~4,000sq-ft (very palatial)

Anonymous said...

It appears their fancy TV Program has no stations listed oops!

Tonto said...

THE FIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF A NARCISSISTIC SOCIOPATH

1) lying: A narcissist lies to you from the first day you met them. They will constantly lie to the extent of you losing your mind. They have been to the University of lying and got a doctorate degree. A liar would also be very good at manipulating and narcissists knows how to manipulate very well which makes them a pathological liar. They usually need to lie in order to manipulate you. Generally, narcissists lie about everything!

2)Entitlement: Narcissists are users. They feel entitled to everything you have. Your car, savings, everything . A narcissist does not make any demand with sympathy. Why? Because it is your obligation to provide them with everything they need in life. Although you give because of your geneoristy, but then narcissists would turn this to extortion. They are toddlers!

3)Arrogant: Arrogance and Ignorance go together. You dare not tell a narcissist what to do, they know it all. They are very arrogant people.Try to listen to them attentively during conversations, they usually compare themselves to other people and use any opportunity to belittle the other person.

4)Gaslighting: Have you ever been in a situation in which you start asking yourself if you are still a sane person? Gaslighting is a very important tool for the narcissist. They use this to rob targets of their joy and give them pain, sorrow, agony in return.

5)Control and Command: These two also go together. Narcissists control and command their victims because they now feel superior after the honeymoon phase has ended. They control and command their clients for nothing more than to boost their ego. I used ‘’client” because there is nothing like a relationship anytime a narcissist is involved. No doubt, they only want to use people for their own personal gain and that's it.

Hoss said...

they shared with anyone who was in need

In Q&A in an old PT, the question was whether Acts 2:44-46 supported an early form of Communism. The answer was that the funds were used so the people could stay together longer in Jerusalem before returning home after Pentecost.

Anonymous said...

As Dr Phil labels ‘em:
BAITERs (Backstabbers, Abusers, Imposters, Takers, Exploiters and Reckless).
Based on their historical fruits one probably could label HWA and his idol-worshippers like DCP as such.

Anonymous said...


Satan's RCG grounds look even better than Satan's whitewashed sepulchers.

It is a beautiful cult compound built with the money threatened out of its victims.

Too bad that the RCG's crazy new teachings are so warped and ugly.

Anonymous said...


Try telling any of the self-appointed cult leaders that God wants them to give some of their money to you. They will never believe that for one minute.

Why do you believe self-appointed cult leaders when they say that God wants you to give your money to them?

Anonymous said...

Well said!đź‘Ź It’d prove the frauds that they are in a split second!

Gordon Feil said...

"Dr"? Uh uh.

Anonymous said...

Tonto
Hypocrisy tonto, you forgot hypocrisy.

Tonto said...

ANON at 1:18 --- I did mention LYING in my first point. Hypocrisy, ultimately is a form of lying.

Anonymous said...

I can't find a TV-log of stations! Looks like The World to Come is off the Air again!

You give them all your money, then there's no outreach for their unique-brand gospel?

Anonymous said...

For such a beautiful campus, which the almost 2k members around the world paid for:

- many will never be able to see it in person

- where you are allowed to go and what you can do is extremely restricted and surveilled

- let's say sit on a bench somewhere in prayer getting thru a difficult trial before the sunrise or when the sun is setting, expect for security to question why you are there or how you got in afterhours and possibly face correction.

- The campus was initially going to be open to the public with plans to give the city government access to the future Auditorium, however on several occasions upon curiosity of who RCG is people have walked on to campus only to be threatened by security and Dr. Pastor not to come onto the campus again. It remains locked via gate that can only be opened by folks with keycards.

- Many companies offer generous healthcare plans for their employees while RCG does not, meanwhile many precious, rare and expensive trees have died on the rcg campus due to human error. These trees and plants have cost a lot of money. Money that could have gone towards at least offering the entire staff dental plans at minimum.

- There are many brethren in third world/dangerous countries who jeopardize their lives, travel many miles/hours to be members, give 3 tithes on extremely low income budgets, yet despite RCG having a huge amount of farmland none of it it used to either ship out produce to those in need or turn around and sell it in order to put into a fund for those of our brethren suffering in the world.

- The staff has access to freely farm on the land every year only if they do all the work themselves and manage their plots. There are horses and chickens, and more animals coming, who do they feed?

- Pack had a facade wall installed in the back of his house that can remote rise up to cut out the traffic noise, his life was never in any danger and no one not even in splinters know who he is, had he stood in his beautiful home that he had before moving onto campus that money could have gone to the underpaid staff.

- his old home was approximately a 5 min drive from the campus. Pack is currently still not know widely and has no reason to fear living in public. This was used to justify him moving on the campus

- fun fact: Pack once said people who walk by a piece of trash on the campus and do not pick it up might not even have God's spirit. He forgot to consider perhaps someone could not see it cus they are programmed to walk with perfect posture/face facing forward and fast as not to waste company time getting from building to building. The quicker the better.

- Another fun fact: the buildings and landscape were started by contractors but the majority of the work down to landscape was done by hq employees who in an elaborate scheme and workaround to labor laws were "time-shared" to indoor and outdoor work. Meaning for one part of the morning they did their regular job and during the afternoon they did landscaping but maintain hours as not to go overboard and pay anyone overtime.

- they hired certain staff at the beginning who had strong views and were according to RCG "insubordinate" and once they had completed crucial jobs would get fired.

- There was a time when Pack said that the church would no longer have to be burdened with building the campus that the banks would take care of everything else.

- some of the most hardworking laymembers have the shitiest offices/furniture

- Retirement in RCG is acceptable so long as you are working for free on the campus. The only reason Pack has preached so harshly on the topic of retirement is because over 80% of the church are elderly people. Much of the membership are prime candidates to retire or are on SS/SSI and are not required to tithe on SI/SSI because it is government assistance.

Anonymous said...

Delusional Davey Lies:

1 - Some claim that I teach doctrines contrary to Mr. Armstrong. That is pure fiction, coming from people who know it is. Our greatest strength is that we have not departed in any way from “hold that fast which you have” (Rev. 3:11) and “hold fast the faithful word as you have been taught” (Tit. 1:9). Knowing Mr. Armstrong was the prophesied Moses who laid the doctrinal foundation (Mal. 4:4) in the Church, we “continue in the things which we have learned and have been assured of, knowing of whom we have learned them” (II Tim. 3:14). We also do not deviate from Mr. Armstrong’s teaching, written and preached time and again, that truth only enters the Church through apostles, never committees or offices of lower rank (I have his many quotes).

...Despite my office, I also am not permitted to overturn what Mr. Armstrong taught as doctrine. I have certainly added details (almost all in prophecy)—but that is entirely different from supplanting established truth with something else, so commonly done today.

• Pack has said that all the apostles got things in the bible wrong, and that Mr. Armstrong did not know everything and God would not allow him to have certain things right because of timing. Therefore there are some things Armstrong did get wrong and pack had to change, also the entire prophetic series pack has taught has trickled back onto many of the established doctrines and changes elements to many of them, for instance he has completely changed Mr. Armstrongs doctrines on the understanding of "The Kingdom of God" (what is it, When, Attributes to Enter, How Christ Returns), "Millenium" (What), "Prophecy"(Catholic Church, Beast, Order of Day of the Lord, many many harry potter-like fiction sounding things), "Resurrection" (who, when). Armstrong had these established as Rigid Rigid doctrines according to pack and yet he upended them and changed them because Armstrong according to pack had certain things wrong that God could not let him see too early or else it would be premature so Pack had to come in and change it all up.

2 - Today, in The Restored Church of God, we are almost 14 years old. In that time, I have not disfellowshipped even one person anywhere in the world. Our Church Administration Department began in 2003. It, and our ministry worldwide, have rarely (only a handful of times) had to disfellowship anyone over the nine years that followed.

• Im laughing...Pack not only has disfellowship ministers from the pulpit but he also has given entire sermons bashing them. classic example was the more than 60 minutes he devoted to bashing former minister Gabriel Lischak it was a shit show that day, he never spit so much and seethed. Rabid man.

3 - We actually were able to undertake national television, and to hire many more ministers and staff. We have also been able to increase our literature budget by 11 times—or 1,000%!!!—at the same time. These are all evidence that GOD IS WITH US—because no man or men could do these things, whether Mr. Armstrong, me or anyone else.

• They are not on national television, in fact according to rcg website they are on international television but even those dont show up anywhere. No one really knows what stations they are truly on. The employee turnover rate at HQ is what allows them to get away with the statement saying they hire more ministers and staff. They have now hired more pastors/members from outside our country because the local crop went bad. Also God is now with them AT ALL, Had He been he would have visited the 20+ times Pack predicted Christ would come. Im laughing so hard right now.

4 - Many thousands will join us! (In fact, prophecy reveals this, and that it will be soon.) This means our power, impact and growth will be further affected upward. We expect to be the largest presence—the loudest voice!—in religious television in the world some time in 2014. And this will be backed up by the largest amount of literature ever compiled by any single organization on the face of the earth.

Anonymous said...

of course written in feb 2013 this never happened because what was TRULY revealed by God was how FALSE Pack is. Since then the fruits letter that RCG put out yearly to flaunt itself has not been updated since and all the wonderful news they proclaimed would happen did not. The expected money did not come from all those who were going to flock to RCG, all the plans fell thru and RCG has been slowly but surely putting its two commissions on the back burner in order to keep the campus progress going. No where is this more evident than in Behind the Work 2019 where almost the entire film is devoted to the campus and campus shots as it has been over the last several years, there are no more major breakthrough announcements on the advancement of the Preaching to Gospel to the world and sadly RCG remains unknown to all even in wadsworth, its just "white buildings" with a gate to some.

Anonymous said...

I watched the video. It slanders God to have His name repeatedly associated with this campus. Matthew 23:27 is very applicable to this complex.
Matthew 23: 27 'woe to you teachers of the law and Pharisees. You are like whitewashed tombs which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of bones of the dead and everything unclean.'

They failed to show all their members who are living in poverty because of the common doctrine, or all the children that have been robbed of the inheritance.
Pharisees indeed!

Anonymous said...

"No one really knows what stations they are truly on."

Yeah, very strange, what is going on? It don't look good, too many other bills to pay!

Anonymous said...


Anonymous at 12:44 PM said (with bolding added)...

“Delusional Davey Lies:”

“1 - Some claim that I teach doctrines contrary to Mr. Armstrong. That is pure fiction, coming from people who know it is. Our greatest strength is that we have not departed in any way from 'hold that fast which you have' (Rev. 3:11) and 'hold fast the faithful word as you have been taught' (Tit. 1:9). Knowing Mr. Armstrong was the prophesied Moses who laid the doctrinal foundation (Mal. 4:4) in the Church, we 'continue in the things which we have learned and have been assured of, knowing of whom we have learned them' (II Tim. 3:14). We also do not deviate from Mr. Armstrong’s teaching, written and preached time and again, that truth only enters the Church through apostles, never committees or offices of lower rank (I have his many quotes).”

“...Despite my office, I also am not permitted to overturn what Mr. Armstrong taught as doctrine. I have certainly added details (almost all in prophecy)—but that is entirely different from supplanting established truth with something else, so commonly done today.”



Actually, since all the teachings in the WCG had come through HWA, HWA began to teach near the end of his life that he was the one who was prophesied to come in the spirit and power of Elijah to “restore all things.” In fact, Dave Pack had originally taught that the understanding that HWA was the Elijah who had “restored all things” was a great wall of defence against doctrinal heresy.

Later, however, klepto-Dave Pack-of-lies decided to posthumously promote HWA out of the way to the “office of Moses” so that Dave Pack could be the Elijah with the power to “restore” things like his “common” theft scam.


mortisrigori said...

At 9:26 in the video, it shows a map with pins. That must be their few United States "congregations". They are probably just small groups meeting in members homes. Their claim of 2000 members is suspect, especially since Dave has a penchant for exaggerating and telling outright lies.