Glynn Washington is a nationally syndicated storyteller
and a former Worldwide Church of God member
and a former Worldwide Church of God member
Police shootings, mistaken arrests, and growing up Black / Brown up in America. This week, Snap presents amazing stories from people facing our nation’s original sin.
STORIES
Never Again
Glynn and his family protest in Oakland where thousands gather to scream light at our national darkness.
Produced by Pat Mesiti-Miller
Thick Blue Line
In 2012, Kari Brandenburg became the longest-serving district attorney in Bernalillo County, where Albuquerque sits. But at the start of her fourth term in office something big started to take hold of the county. Police shootings were at an all-time high and everyone was looking to Kari’s office for answers.
For more on what went down in Albuquerque, check out Jeff Proctor’s reporting for the Albuquerque Journal.
Produced by Nancy Lopez, original score by Renzo Gorrio
Captive Audience
When Tariq "Black Thought" Trotter was mistakenly arrested at the airport, he learned that his fame could only get him so far.
Performed live by Tariq Trotter at the Brooklyn Academy of Music for Snap Judgment LIVE.
Music by Alex Mandel, performed by the Snap Players Alex Mandel, Tim Frick, and David Brandt.
DRANOA reluctant young Boy Scout comes face to face with DRANO, and earns his merit badge in "reality."
Shannon Cason is a writer, award-winning storyteller, and the host of the Shannon Cason’s Homemade Stories podcast and the In Good Co. Detroit podcast. Listen and subscribe!
Produced by Mark Ristich Artwork: Teo Ducot Protest tape: Annie Nguyen + Lauryn Newson
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - The Declaration of Independence
We've been trying to live up to those words since 1776 - that's our story as a nation. We need to keep trying.
The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
It is the duty of ALL of us to make that a reality for ALL of us.
Black lives matter to me. With all this attention, maybe those lives will start mattering to everybody else. Who can bring justice to all those lives lost? Law and Order need to serve the black community more, not less. Don't be deceived by the propaganda or let it divide us along racial sides.
DBP
Oh brother. Not justifying anything, George Floyd's murder was horendous, but why do we never hear media outrage over almost daily blacks killing cops?
Racism is alive and well in the U.S. on both sides, or should I say on every side in order to include all groups, including white men?!!!!!
If you want me to prove my racism among blacks comment check out this site:
https://www.newsweek.com/who-kills-police-officers-315701
In 2012 37% of all cops killed were killed by blacks who make up a little over 12% of the population. No, that isn't politically correct but it's fact. 44% were killed by whites who make up 77% of the population.
I'm sick and tired of the radical left dividing this nation and one of their dividing points is race. Why do cops kill 1.7 times more blacks than whites? Because blacks kill more cops than whites. It's a fact. If we want to change that fact, quit fucking killing cops!
I am so proud of Glynn and his family standing up for what is right. Every black person I know has been racially profiled in one way or another. The stories they tell are shocking as to what they endure, and these are the ones in the Church!
All of this organized bullshit by the left is aimed at getting rid of OUR President, and making sure that the democrats and the media can get their crooked, racist Biden into that office. Might as well just elect Mickey Mouse!
Ecc. 10:2-3
Miller Jones you are not American.
The problem in America is psychopaths and not race.
Watch a police training film. The cops are trained by psychopaths. What your experiencing is the military occupation of America by militarized police, trained to be psychopathic. You and I are the occupied. Enemies of the state. Divide the people into groups and you can conquer a nation.
Don't believe me?
This is not about race you'al. It's about law and order. Designed to divide America and bring her down!!! Go back and look at the real truth of history instead of the made up lies to destroy us. We took care of race years ago.
Well said DBP
June 4, 2020 at 5:42 AM
I marvel on how to audience here gets it. Well with the exception of one no doubt....
Miller Jones, not an American? My ancestry includes Native Americans and African Americans. It stretches back to Jamestown and Plymouth. My ancestors fought and died in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican American War, Civil War (Union and Confederate), World Wars I & II, the Korean War and more. One of my ancestors was a slave, several of my ancestors were slave owners and two grand uncles participated in the Underground Railroad. Two ancestors died at the hands of Native Americans and another massacred them on the plains. I served honorably in the United States Army, and my majors were history and political science in College (with emphasis on the history and government of this republic). And I'm not an American?
I think you have me confused with the Great Orange Buffoon who currently occupies the Oval Office. You know the one without any of the ties to America just enumerated for myself. His paternal grandparents were born in Germany, his mother was born in Scotland, and two of his three wives were born in Eastern Europe! There is no record of military service on behalf of the United States for him, his ancestors or his children. Unlike all of his predecessors, he is a rabid nationalist and scoffs at the traditions and restraints exercised by them. Yeah, I'm thinking you meant Trump is NOT an American!
Anon (7:14)
Raw statistics are seldom informative. They are easily recruited to political purposes. You must ask yourself why Blacks are involved in violent clashes with the police. It involves a number of factors, primarily sociological, but a prominent one is that they are predisposed by circumstances to a certain kind of crime - those crimes where violence is likely to happen. Shootouts are common.
Caucasians on the other hand have a predilection for White Collar crime. One article on the internet states of White Collar crime:
"The typical perpetrator is a college-educated white male who is working in some form of real estate."
Caucasian males are responsible for 75% of all White Collar crime. White Collar crime is also the crime of choice for Caucasian females. The economic drag on the economy by this malfeasance is enormous. But these Caucasians do not tend to shoot people. The justice system tends to go easy on them. They do easy time and then become perps again when they hit the street. White Collar crime is a good deal for Caucasians - it never leads to people marching in protest on the streets.
The last time I looked, killing someone is a violation of the 10 Commandments (as restated in the NT) but theft is also.
Lonnie, yep, an agenda.
Who really benefits from all this chaos?
Do black voices matter? Does listening to black people matter? Listen to what this rational black man has to say.
And another rational black man:
For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed.
For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed.
"Use total pop!" "Use all crimes!"
Listen. I am showing that when you control for violent crime rate, the disparity vanishes. That means that whatever disparity exists in total pop or total arrests is not due to race.
"Because if you wanted to show the disparity you’d look at the deaths per every 10,000 NONVIOLENT crimes."
This thinking is incorrect but I'm seeing it a lot. The point is to control for violent crime rate because the hypothesis here is the violent crime rate is what causes the disparity, not racial bias. The fact that the disparity disappears supports that. If there is no bias when comparing violent crime arrests vs killed, how can you possibly claim racial bias anywhere else without examining 3rd and 4th variables? Killings vs arrest of violent crime suspects is where we should see the MOST bias if police are killing black people.
Source for the above.
One more for good measure and it might be tough for some to listen to. But, I challenge you to give this young man just 10 full minutes of your undivided attention from where the video starts off. Besides, it gets real funny!
Again, who really benefits from all this chaos?
Not Trump,...Miller Jones.
DBP
Miller Jones, will you bow down before a black group and apologize for having slave owners in you genome?
MRT
"To know nothing of what happened before you were born is to remain always a child" - Cicero
Is it possible that the current economic disparity between black and white Americans has anything to do with the institution of slavery (which was ended over 150 years ago now)?
Do you think it's possible that the reservation system (created in the 19th Century) has anything to do with the alcoholism and suicide rates among Native Americans?
Do you think it's possible that Asian Americans have suffered any prejudice/fallout from the fact that Covid-19 apparently originated in China?
Do you think it's possible that the destruction of black families during slavery has had any repercussions for the black families of today?
Do you think it's possible that the extreme prejudice that existed in many corners of America during the 1960's (and not just in the South) didn't just magically disappear because of the Civil Rights Movement?
"The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past." - William Faulkner
We're not asking him to, Anon 6:52.
"Is it possible that the current economic disparity between black and white Americans has anything to do with the institution of slavery (which was ended over 150 years ago now)?"
The slave trade and slave owners, regardless of their race, should pay reparations to former slaves, NOT the people of a whole race or nation! It should not be framed as a black versus white issue. Slavery is a crime where the powerful enslave the powerless. America freed slaves. Will the World follow her lead?
"Do you think it's possible that the destruction of black families during slavery has had any repercussions for the black families of today?"
Louis Farrakhan, a black nationalist, has said that the black family was more cohesive and had better fathers under slavery than the current ghetto culture of today. Of course, his implication is that segregation is what protected black families. Don't conflate things now. We are talking about the family unit and not economics.
"Do you think it's possible that Asian Americans have suffered any prejudice/fallout from the fact that Covid-19 apparently originated in China?"
Are you trying to conflate this with Trump's early travel restrictions from China? He restricted entry to ALL foreign visitors who had recently been in China, and not specifically the Chinese or people of Asian descent.
"Do you think it's possible that the extreme prejudice that existed in many corners of America during the 1960's (and not just in the South) didn't just magically disappear because of the Civil Rights Movement?"
Civil Rights has given the powerless, protection from those in power who would like to keep them down. But, you can't outlaw thoughts and feelings which some people have refered to as thought-crimes. We could reframe it as "celibate racists" who are now afraid to act on their extreme prejudices in order to keep people down and under control. If they did, they would now be under the penalty of law.
"Do you think it's possible that the reservation system (created in the 19th Century) has anything to do with the alcoholism and suicide rates among Native Americans?"
Alcoholism and suicide rates among Native Americans is something that can and should be addressed today with more funding from the government. What happened to the Native Americans was a tragedy. The Native Americans were not exploited by European settlers but by the Crown. "The settlers were refugees from either religious or economic persecution, and in the colonies they had the freedom to experience “live and let live” as opposed to “dominate or be dominated.” They were also influenced by the Native peoples — particularly the Iroquois Nation — who had an advanced system for living in balance with nature and with each other. These native cultures informed the Enlightenment, and these enlightened ideas became the founding principles of what would become the United States.
In a world where England and the other European nations saw exploitation as the natural scheme of things, America’s founders had a more enlightened understanding of how to thrive without exploiting or being exploited. Wrote Benjamin Franklin, “There are three ways for a nation to become wealthy. First, by war and taking away the wealth of another by force. Second, by trade, which to make a profit requires something cheap. Third, by agriculture, where by planting a seed you create new wealth as if by miracle." Source is from Original Wealth and People’s Capitalism.
DBP
NEO, raw statistics, or what others call facts, are still facts, no matter how your leftist radical mind wants to twist it.
"For every 10,000 black people arrested for violent crime, 3 are killed.
For every 10,000 white people arrested for violent crime, 4 are killed."
NEO needs to chew on those numbers for a while before spewing his politically correct leftist shit!
Neo, notice it says """violent""" crime, it doesn't say money laundering or financial fraud!
Michael Moore gave us his racist warning: "Two-thirds of all white guys voted for Trump. That means anytime you see three white guys walking at you, down the street toward you, two of them voted for Trump. You need to move over to the other sidewalk because these are not good people that are walking toward you. You should be afraid of them."
This is the new racism, much of it learned and taught at our nation's colleges. George Orwell said, "Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them."
A good read by by WALTER E. WILLIAMS"
Four legs good, two legs bad!
DBP,
As the slave traders and owners responsible for the predicament of African Americans are long dead, how do you propose that they pay reparations? Likewise, all of the African Americans who actually experienced slavery are now deceased, so to whom do we pay the reparations? Even so, we are all still living with the consequences of what they did back then. Some of the descendants of the slave traders and slave owners are still benefiting from the wealth and position that their ancestors derived from those activities. Likewise, many of the descendants of those slaves still have to deal with the poverty, stigma, familial and geographical problems that the circumstances of their forefathers engendered.
Although Great Britain did beat us to the punch on the abolition of the slave trade and slavery, the United States did eventually follow suit (though it took a bloody Civil War to do so). Nevertheless, prior to that event, the institution was sanctioned and supported by the Federal government (Executive, Legislative and Judicial), and it was even acknowledged in the U.S. Constitution. As you know, four of the first five presidents of this republic were slave owners.
With respect to black families, I'm not sure where Mr. Farrakhan is getting his information. Slave families were often separated by sales, inheritance, escape and punishment. Marriages were discouraged or often made temporary by circumstances. Slave children were forced to work and forbidden from getting an education. Hence, parental control and influence were minimized. In short, black families faced overwhelming odds, and any cohesiveness or success that they achieved on a familial level can only be credited to their own tenacity and resilience. And the segregation that they experienced after freedom severely impeded their prospects for a better life.
As for Native Americans, most European colonials and American citizens exploited and abused them. It is not a pretty story! There is no putting any lipstick on this pig! In fairness to the British, they are the ones who promulgated the Proclamation of 1763 (no white settlement west of the mountains). Americans hated the Proclamation and ignored and violated it from the outset. And, as I have noted in other posts, how many generations does it take for the theft of their land to become legitimate and legal? Are the descendants of a Nazi who stole Jewish art and jewelry entitled to the ill-gotten gains of their forbearers?
Finally, it has been my experience that prejudicial treatment did not disappear with the Civil Rights legislation of the 1960s. In other words, discrimination did not magically disappear when it was officially made illegal. And I'm not just talking about what goes on in a person's heart/mind. It may be illegal, but there are still places where African Americans are unwelcome (and there are still folks working to suppress the exercise of their right to vote). As my original remarks here suggest, America represents a noble ideal. And we have made tremendous progress toward the realization of that ideal, but we ain't there yet! Moreover, the concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer Americans makes further progress on those fronts very difficult.
Anon (1:58)
What you need to understand is that name-calling does not convert your putative "facts" into truthful information. I am neither a leftist or a radical - so you get an F on your test. Now let me take a test about you: You support Dumpty and believe in lots of conspiracy theories that are advocated by the right wing.
NEO and your denial of being leftist and radical doesn't make it true. It just proves that you're blind to your own idiosyncrasies. The "Dumpty" comment proves my point.
Miller, again your ignorance prevails. Guess who else besides the Federal government sanctioned slavery? Africans! The African east coast slave trade was operated by Africans. There's enough blame to go around. Why should I pay a damn thing or feel pity for any blacks who haven't risen above their poverty? I come from Irish potato farmers who came here as indentured servants. I'm fed up with the White privilege bullshit! I started with nothing and am now nearly a millionaire. No daddy didn't give me a college education either. Go f yourself! Knowing you you'd like that!
Anon (9:48)
How do you know that I am not a conservative, never-Dumpty Republican? You get an F again.
Maybe you shouldn't be in school.
Anonymous 6/5 @ 9:48,
Although your powers of discernment may be sharper than mine, I have not been able to conclude that N.E.O. is a leftist radical. Your comments, on the other hand, suggest that you are a Trumpist.
Anonymous 6/5 @ 9:55,
Your denial of paternal assistance was completely unnecessary, it is apparent to many of us that your daddy didn't give you a college education. How does the fact that Africans sold other Africans into slavery mitigate or excuse the guilt of Europeans for their part in the affair? Also, congratulations on your near million dollars - that means that you don't have to settle for self-gratification - you can afford company. And, finally, thank you for removing all doubt that you are any part of the Christian community.
Lonnie, when did God ordain you to the job of determining who is and isn't a Christian?
"As the slave traders and owners responsible for the predicament of African Americans are long dead, how do you propose that they pay reparations? Likewise, all of the African Americans who actually experienced slavery are now deceased, so to whom do we pay the reparations?"
You already answered your own question above. Descendants of those responsible for the corruption. Sins of the father visited upon the son? You posted "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.", as the first comment in this thread. That still exists to this day, right? Of course.
Your persistence in blaming racism and prejudices for slavery is an ill formed outcome. It wasn't the contrition of one's prejudices that freed the slaves.
Look, according to the US Government Consensus of 1860, only 0.35% of Americans owned slaves back then. Abraham Lincoln, who was supposedly one of the most hated presidents in US history while serving his term in office, with his "Proclomation 95" angered whom back in 1862? Not the majority of Americans, obviously. It should anger you that the slave owners were compensated much much more than the freed slaves with "partial compensation", which ended slavery in the District of Columbia in 1862. But that is what it took for Lincoln to get Congress' approval. Apparently, the corruption by the elite has been around for a long time and still persists to this day. Strange times we live in today. Don't you remember that federal troops were used in freeing and protecting slaves back then? They were also instrumental during the Civil Rights Act to.
Of course what happened to Native Americans will always remain a tragedy. The wild west almost totally destroyed them. And the tiny ethnostates or reservations we allowed them to have was absurd. Still to this day, even though they have been free to leave for some time. Here's a crazy idea. Why not give our national parks to them to own, manage, and run. Let them profit off their native lands in the way that they did before. Like Columbus said, "The Indians are the best people in the world and above all the gentlest, without knowledge of evil, nor do they murder and steal." But instead of what he had recommended, "They would make fine servants. With fifty men we could subjugate them and make them do anything we want", we do something like the above. What a start that would be! Gotta drain that damn swamp first though.
DBP
“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell." - Matthew 5:21-22
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” - John 13:34-35
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them. - I John 2:9-11
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. - I John 3:14-15
Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. - I John 4:20-21
With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. - James 3:9-12
DBP,
According to 1860 US Census data, the actual percentage of Americans who owned slaves was about 1.4% of the total population (and this included the population of all of the free states). Moreover, when we take into account that slaves were often hired out to others and that the entire family benefited from the labor of the slaves, the percentage is somewhat misleading. Also, people who didn't own any slaves purchased, wore and used cotton fabrics. Doesn't that suggest some culpability for them?
It is interesting to me that folks who minimize the percentage of whites who participated in the peculiar institution are very often the same ones who say that God is punishing America for abortion and homosexuality. If the fact that something is legal and sanctioned by society makes everyone culpable, why doesn't the same logic apply to slavery?
Lonnie, also, you copy and paste all those verses but you don't live by them else you wouldn't hate certain CGI ministers as you do. You are a hypocrite!
Anonymous 6/5 @ 7:59,
I don't hate any CGI ministers. I have pointed out errors and heretical ideas presented by some of them - always using their own words and logic to do so. I have pointed out racist and homophobic statements, faulty reasoning, inaccurate/misleading statements and manipulation of the truth. Even so, I've NEVER stated that any CGI pastor was a bad person or destined for Hell/Lake of Fire. Indeed, I've often made a point of underscoring the fact that my critiques were not personal in nature. My own father is a CGI minister whom I love and respect very much. And, if anything that I've said here is inaccurate, I invite you to bring it to everyone's attention (please provide any statements of mine that would provide evidence of what you've charged and cite the post/article/sermon where it appeared).
Miller Jones.
With all this "bail out" stuff in the daily news, we tend to forget that the largest bail out by the respective governments of Britain and ither European nations occured after the abolishment of slavery.
British maps show exactly where people owning slaves or stocks of slave operated companues in the Americas lived.
Ordinary folk who had often not travelled further than their home town and had acquired a slave or stock as small or huge investment.
The bail out was billions of dollars in todays money to be payed by the government who had changed the law.
As I said, not many people owning slaves knew much about slavery, just like most germans did not know where the jews actually went other than East, or how Nike produces sportswear.... O mean its cheap, provides dividends and makes us look good.
The problem with America is different from the actual owners. That is where the impact was, thats where the abuse was administered, thats where the trauma lingered. The Europeans just got their money and reinvested in this new fad they call railroads or whatever...... and I heard abou these german jewish guys stapking denim and selling them as trousers for gold..... free investment advice here..... quite different from the actual system on the ground, but nonetheless huge in terms of bail out.
Nck
Non Ecliptic Orbit
When ordinary folk start quoting "raw facts and data" a very serious situation occurs. It is called, "the collapse if narrative".
Societies exist through shared narratives and ordinary folk care less about, facts and rare data.
The moment everyone creates a personal narrative based on "raw data" society is about to collapse.
(that by the way is mostly my point versus the dna harpers when discussing BI.... What did the British Empire care about stupid dna factoids, the narrative is what counts.)
Nck
nck,
Thank you for underscoring the pervasiveness of the system of slavery, and that many individuals were involved (not only here, but in Europe as well). Also, you bring up an important point about how "good" folks get drawn into these things. They often do not start out with malevolent intent toward their fellow man, but the reality frequently ends there. Again, your example of folks walking around in Nike while other folks are working in sweat shops to produce it was on the money! (pun intended) And let's not forget that it wasn't only cotton that was produced with slave labor - much of the tobacco grown in the US was as well (bring in all of the folks who smoked). What about sugar? Yes, the culpability for slavery went much deeper than the folks who actually owned another human being.
Addressing Miller Jones(Lonnie?)'s comment at:June 5, 2020 at 7:27 PM
You keep proving that slavery was never a major problem amongst the vast majority of "white" Americans. Prejudices does NOT equal slavery. Even racsim does NOT equal slavery. Your imaginings does not trump facts. Stop conflating things. Focus on who owned the cotton fields, and etc. Hold the powerful people who benifited from powerless slaves, regardless of their race. Slavery does not equal racism. In Africa, tribes would enslave other tribes. The Gulags, China, and the list could go on and on.
The Far Left begins to make a lot more sense when you view it as a secular religious movement. The Bible has been replaced with identity politics. What we are witnessing is a new religious revival where feelings and one's indoctrinated narrative matter most. A lot of this feels like the insane turbocharged culmination of the emotionally reactionary identity-first ideology that cultural and political elites inculcated, and which has now spiraled totally out of control. It is not amenable to reason.
DBP
DBP,
Your comments are reasoned and well-articulated. And we are probably closer in our thinking than our debate here reveals. I am suspicious of the notion of reparations, but I do think that we are long overdue in dealing with the inequities and injustices that I believe are at least in part the consequence of past mistakes. I also believe in holding powerful people accountable, and that their degree of culpability is often greater than the average joe and jane. As with most things, this is a complex issue when you take the time (as you obviously have) to dig a little deeper.
I don't think we solve many problems by appealing to the extremes. When we start framing things in terms of left and right or Christian and non-Christian, folks tend to retreat to their corners and nothing productive happens. Like you, I'm not thrilled with the fact that many of us view ourselves as hyphenated Americans. As a genealogist, I appreciate and encourage respect for origins. Nevertheless, America is based on an idea that goes beyond race and ethnicity; and we would all do well to remember that it is our work to make that ideal a reality for everyone who calls America home.
Lonnie
Is it any wonder that old school Democrats were mostly southern and most came from slave owner families? Like Senator Byrd of WV! One of our most famous Democrat klansmen!
Don't give me the bullshit of yesterday's Democrats are today's Republicans unless you can back that up with facts not rhetoric!
Miller
In Britain the bail out amounted to 20 percent of the nations total budget and was only paid off recently in 2015.
(which is not bad as just last week the last civil war pension ended when the daughter of a veteran died, eligible becsuse of mental illness)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/12/treasury-tweet-slavery-compensate-slave-owners
Nck
Well said Lonnie. There needs to be more rational debate in this country and not let things boil down to nothing more than a screaming match. The water will boil away and the pot will be ruined forever.
DBP
Lonnie said: "I don't think we solve many problems by appealing to the extremes."
Then why do you always resort to such tactics? With CGI, with Bill Watson, with homosexuality, and now with slavery?
Do you really think you're smarter than the average bear? I think not!
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