Saturday, September 30, 2023

Declaration On Continuing Church of God Leadership's Continued Lies and Campaign Against Our Community


 

HOPE OF ISRAEL WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD

Advisory council

DECLARATION ON CCOG LEADERSHIP CONTINUED LIES AND CAMPAIGN AGAINST OUR COMMUNITY

       Since its inception, Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God has been described with all kinds of lies whose sources have been African leaders of the Continuing Church of God, founded and led by Robert Bob Thiel.  Those lies originating from Africa have been published for months in Thiel’s weekly “Letter to the brethren”.  African leadership is known for adulating Bob Thiel whom they address as “pastor doctor Bob”.     

       Since its inception, Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God has been targeted for destruction by Kenyan CCOG “evangelist” Evans Ochieng and his minions in Africa.  The reason for this hatred toward our fellowship is that deep corruption and lawlessness in Africa, orchestrated by the aforementioned “evangelist”, has been discovered by Terry Nelson who did not heed Thiel`s demands not to do any investigation about the affairs in Africa.  While in Africa, unsuspected Terry Nelson was approached by a Malawian government employee related to CCOG`s representative in that country, Radson Mulozowa.  The government of Malawi has been conducting an independent investigation on Mulozowa and introduced its evidence to Terry Nelson who visited that country being sent there by Bob Thiel.  Church members in Malawi confirmed various allegations against Mulozowa.  The allegations against Evans Ochieng were also confirmed through various witnesses and documents.  All those documents and witnesses testify about the gross lawlessness in CCOG in Africa, of which Bob Thiel was informed from his former friends whom he sent to Africa.  Terry Nelson appealed to Aleksandar Veljic, at that time a CCOG elder, who visited Africa before him, to help him present the evidence of ungodly things in Africa to the CCOG overseer.  All that evidence was rejected by Thiel, who labeled Terry and his son Andree as talebearers.  Since African lawlessness also involved the native religion of Africa – witchcraft – Aleksandar Veljic resigned from CCOG at the end of January 2023.  Several members also left as they did not want to be associated with the practitioners of Satanism in Africa, nor did they want to see it being financed by the leader who claims to be God`s prophet.  Aleksandar Veljic did not go a different way than what he learned in the old Worldwide Church of God.  He initiated Hope of Israel and formed it with Terry Nelson, Randy Freeze and the congregation of God`s people in Serbia.  

       While we have taken various lies originated in Africa, which could be easily disproved as they were so obviously untrue, we have recently witnessed a lie written by the very leader of CCOG, who claims to be a prophet and one man over the true Church.  That we cannot ignore without reaction considering that it came from the very top of the “only Philadelphian remnant church in the world” as many CCOG members are deceived to believe.  Here is the lie:

“09/25/23 a.m. Hope of Israel's Sasha Veljic reported that a cofounder of that organization, an accuser of the brethren, named Terry Nelson, was arrested in Malawi”.  

To resort to a lie in order to tarnish someone`s name certainly represents violation of God`s Law.  The only truth in the announcement above is that Sasha Veljic is of Hope of Israel and that Terry Nelson is a cofounder of that organization!  How shallow is this lie?!  Even if Terry was arrested, Thiel would be the last person Sasha would report it to; Sasha would certainly not publicize something like that, especially not labeling Terry Nelson “an accuser of the brethren”!  Therefore, to clarify confusion that has been continually spread by CCOG leadership, this Advisory council declares that:

1.  Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God does not consider CCOG leaders its brethren because of various lawless things they condone and tolerate.  This does exclude the ordinary members whom we consider our brethren.

  

2.  Hope of Israel founders and members have experienced on various occasions the lack of sound judgment on the part of Bob Thiel, who trusts his African leaders with no limit.  In his unsound devotion to all African tricks and deceptions, Bob Thiel keeps financing them.  Even though he could be commended for not taking salary from his church, he believes that all the money he sends to Africa belongs to him anyway.  So, to his mind, he is sending his own money, the money that comes from members.

 

3.  Hope of Israel has established that some of Bob Thiel`s teachings are non-Scriptural.  It would take too long to expound on that.  But even more tragic is that Bob Thiel puts himself above the Scriptures.  To illustrate this point, we quote a response of his to Hope of Israel’s member Andre Nelson that “Hope of Israel cannot possibly be a Philadelphian remnant”.  This audacious statement contradicts God since the outreach of Hope of Israel is far greater than that of CCOG, while Hope of Israel, unlike CCOG, has a true Philadelphian style of governance.  Thiel obviously believes he can read hearts and minds and thus knows who are Philadelphians and Laodiceans.  As far as all true Christians know, only God can read hearts and minds and only God truly knows who is a Philadelphian.

 

4.  A true prophet gets revelations from God!  Commenting the current world events does not make one a prophet.  Also, would a true prophet ever tell someone not to investigate lawless deeds in Africa, like Bob Thiel said to Terry Nelson?  Would a person with prophetic gift not feel that something is wrong in Africa, instead of pumping huge amounts of money there?  Would a true prophet ever make a series of irrational comments and justifications of the actions of his co-workers in Africa?!

 

5.  Since our founders have witnessed firsthand the lack of sound judgments on the part of Bob Thiel, this Advisory council has concluded that his judgment capabilities are compromised, impaired and out of sinc with reality, even when faced with official documents!  Thus, this Advisory council rescinds and declares nill Thiel`s accusations against our members and this organization, such as that Terry Nelson is an accuser of the brethren and enemy of the Work of God, that Hope of Israel cannot possibly be a Philadelphian remnant and so on.

 

6.  Since true Christians are known by their fruits, here are the fruits that should worry any true Christian:

 

Bob Thiel puts himself above the Scriptures.  He also believes that there are (at least) 10.000 CCOG members in Africa.  Many of those members don`t have a basic understanding of the Bible, meaning of Holy Days and the prophesied events.  The leading men in CCOG Africa are involved in witchcraft.  We have obtained evidence of such rituals in Kenya.  

 

For years, CCOG host in Michigan was a heretic whose home is full of occult literature and whose beliefs were contrary to the sound teachings of the Church of God.  Aleksandar Veljic gathered witness statements on that and informed the CCOG overseer.  In spite of that, Terry LaFrance, in his capacity of a CCOG host in Michigan, continued to poison CCOG membership with his heresies in his attempt to overturn the faith of believers.  One of the platforms LaFrance used to promulgate his anti-Bible theories and teachings was CCOG electronic forum.  

 

That forum, in spite of spreading all kinds of senseless theories and anti-Bible stuff, as well as posts upholding gun ownership, contrary to teachings of the Church of God, was all ignored by the head of the “only true Philadelphian remnant”.  His comment was that people need “a point of connectedness” and that it is not strange that forum teems with anti-Bible stuff because many forum members were unconverted (not baptized).  Now, is the forum of the “only Philadelphian church in the world” supposed to tolerate heresies that can only confuse both converted and unconverted individuals?  Oh, well, Aleksandar Veljic was accused of not having love for the brethren and the reputation about him CCOG has cultivated until now.  Yet, Aleksandar Veljic and the COG Serbian congregation sacrificed time and efforts to educate CCOG members and provide them Skype place to fellowship electronically.  

 

We could go on, but suffice to say that Aleksandar Veljic was entrusted by Bob Thiel to visit Africa in 2017.  When offered to visit Africa again, he refused because he was maliciously and falsely accused by Evans Ochieng (also known as “Simon Magus of Africa”) that he was telling Evans how to run things in Africa and because of health concerns.  Terry Nelson willingly filled the void having a burning zeal to spread the Gospel and serve.  During his zealous service in Africa, he found out all kinds of detestable things done there in the name of Christ and under the name of CCOG.  Terry also realized that a supposed “open door” in Africa was actually a big lie and a sham.  

 

7.  The man who was actually arrested in Malawi is a CCOG representative in that country, Radson Mulozowa, who is also guilty of forging a registration of CCOG in that country.  Forgery is sanctioned by the Malawian law as a federal offense.  CCOG has thus violated Romans 13.  Long is the list of the crimes of the minion Radson, involving witchcraft, adultery, theft of 130 Bibles and bribes.  On those crimes the Malawian government can fill in anyone who asks.  

 

Since various members of Hope of Israel are witnesses to the crimes committed by Radson Mulozowa, the government keeps us posted on that case.  Mulozowa has squandered Thiel`s financial donations, among other things, paying witch doctors in order to ensure “divine protection” for himself and harm to others.  During Terry Nelson`s recent visit to Malawi this false Christian, who represents CCOG in Malawi, who was summoned by the authorities for interrogation.  When questioned by the police about 130 Bibles that Terry Nelson donated for CCOG Malawi and Mozambique members, which Mulozowa sold and put the gain in his own pocket, Mulozowa denied any connection to the case.  The Malawian police knew he was lying and showed him evidence.  On top of that, the Malawian police also received a letter from Bob Thiel informing it that Terry Nelson had no right to investigate anything in Malawi related to CCOG and Radson Mulozowa.  Well, Terry has no need to investigate anything since the Malawian government is already doing that.  

 

Before being summoned to the police station to be questioned, Radson Mulozowa was on run in Malawi for months.  During that time he received money from Bob Thiel to buy a new car.  Since he is ill, Mulozowa was directed by the police to a hospital.  There were also cuts on his body which indicate that he hired witch doctors with whose help he sacrificed his blood to demons.  He also suffers from a strange malady.  He escaped from the hospital and is on run again.  Yet he received another financial injection from Bob Thiel to hire a lawyer and accuse Terry Nelson before the Malawian court supposedly for rumors and lies that Terry spread about Radson.  

 

Now, it is interesting that while there are individuals in CCOG who have difficulties making the ends meet, lavish donations are being monthly sent to Africa to build local churches, etc. And even for prosecuting Terry Nelson!  That by itself proves that CCOG does not consider him and us as brethren, because Bob Thiel knows full well what the Bible says about taking brethren to the courts of this world.  This also reveals Thiel`s unsound connection to “open door” in Afria for which he is willing to sacrifice anything even though anyone with a common sense can discern that cesspool of unrighteousness in Africa under the guise of Christianity.

 

8.  Considering all the above, we, humble servants of our God of Israel, members of the Body of Christ, realize that in the past we were duped about CCOG being a true Christian Church!  The subsequent events following our exodus from CCOG have proved to us that we made the right decision.  Namely, we realized that many people had crept in among us unaware and that CCOG had become a victim of those intruders` carnal greeds for money and power.  Besides, they used the money sent to them to build their local churches, yet none of those churches are owned by Bob Thiel or CCOG.  So, all that African “brethren” could do is change the names on those buildings and continue to practice church hoping as it suits their financial manipulations.

 

9.  Hope of Israel is particularly grateful to the Malawian government for having courage to reveal to us what they knew was going on behind the CCOG scene in Malawi.  We also declare to all true Christians that the same government holds responsible Evans Ochieng of Kenya for various abuses in Malawi.  The government of Malawi is also aware that it is Bob Thiel`s constant financial support that maintains this cesspool of unrighteousness in Africa.  It is a sad testimony of the “one true Church” with “Philadelphian governance” to a government of a nation in Africa, as well to the nation itself.  

 

Unlike CCOG leaders`example, Terry Nelson is well received in Malawi with much respect and honor.  He was in audience with government officials, he held a lecture to various church leaders, he was taken on a tour around the country and he put the Malawian local churches in order, those who en masse fled the aforementioned cesspool and found refuge in Hope of Israel.  The “Philadelphia governance” did not teach those members some basic things of the Bible, such as tithing, so now those churches are putting their lives in harmony with the God of Israel.  

 

10.                Speaking of “Philadelphian governance”, we declare that what is seen in CCOG is nothing like it, so its claim of such governance style is just an empty claim.  Herbert Armstrong, the head of Philadelphian era of God`s Work, was a man who communicated with people of all walks of life, and did not govern the Church alone.  There were various governing bodies in the Church, including an Advisory council.  In CCOG there is one man who is everything – what an example of brotherly love, cooperation and trust!  

 

Being the governing body of Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God, we do call on our members not to engage in arguments with CCOG members because some of them just follow a man, while some show a substantial lack of discernment and hold on to a notion of being the sole Philadelphian remnant in the world.  The Bible teaches us that arguing is a useless activity that destroys the faith.  Thus, we instruct our members to leave CCOG to its own devices and confusion it has created.  Any further distortions of the truth coming from CCOG is up to God to deal with.  As for us, the God of Israel has given us enough signs of His favor and love, praise be to Him forever and ever!  May our God preserve us and finish the work He started in us.  Amin.

 

 

 

 

 

The Advisory council of Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God:

 

Sharon Paz 

Jamie Stonham 

Terry Nelson

Slobodan Balovic

Aleksandar Stanisavljevic

Randy Freeze

Andree Nelson

 

Presiding elder Aleksandar Veljic

 

September 30, 2023

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lil prophet Bobby is not gonna like people talking smack about him and his criminal African empire.

Anonymous said...

posts upholding gun ownership, contrary to teachings of the Church of God, was all ignored by the head of the “only true Philadelphian remnant”.

Apparently, these Hope of Israel people don't remember Garner Ted or the many other ACOG ministers who were inveterate hunters and liked to go on outings to shoot wildlife. Maybe it's a Europe/America divide, but gun ownership was never considered a problem in WCG or any of the major splinters. The faculty at Ambassador College in Big Sandy loved their football and their hunting.

Anonymous said...

Every day that goes by now Bob Thiel looks worse that we could have imagined.

Àyelböůrne, Elder on Ørgæñìa ⚖️ said...

I know some Hope Of Israel Christians, & yes they certainly DO remember Garner Ted's fondness for guns and blasting wildlife despite (relatively speaking) soon the lion shall eat straw like the ox, which in theory would cancel need for fondness of hunting and for the butcher block at some point.

GTA was a tattooed, ciggy smoking nurse chaser who is on tape accosting a lady, & from what I can tell, Hope Of Israel would never condone any history of GTA.

So I hope 3:44 would retract lumping my Hope Of Israel friends ever espousing the tomfoolery of Garner Ted.

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

The Advisory Council wrote, "Terry also realized that a supposed “open door” in Africa was actually a big lie and a sham. "

MY COMMENT - Are they talking about Thiel's 10,000+ fake African members that we all knew didn't exist. Or, are they referring to little Bobby Thiel's claim that God gave the Continuing Church of God the open door of animation? Or, is it something else?

Seems like this current period of controversy in the grossly misnamed Continuing Church of God would be a good time for little Bobby Thiel to morph into his Cartoon Bob character, put his big boy pants on, walk right through that open door, and produce one of those animations we all love.

Richard

DennisCDiehl said...

You'd think Bob Thiel, as the only true Prophet today, (news reader actually), would have foreseen all this. Alas...

"Dr Bob Thiel's Prophetic Utterances have been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances. :)

Anonymous said...

What interests me is that so many people in the past have been motivated to help the African people, and have failed abysmally because of the conditions there which defy any sort of positive change. No less an icon than Che Guevara literally had to give up and leave Africa, following his inability to spread his political ideologies there during the 1960s. The one factor he cited was that the Africans, being tribal people, have no sense of nationalism. Obviously the ancient religious beliefs, very prevalent there, also repel any attempts at change. I wonder if evangelism of any kind on the uncivilized nations of Africa is not a fool's errand.

Secondly, our critics believe that we who contribute to Banned are an anti-COG, nonethical group. This series on Africa should be a lesson to them. What we read unfolding here is a civil war within the ranks of Armstrongism, the birth of a splinter group. Sasha, Terry, and their various allies are Armstrongites, dedicated to spreading Armstrongism in Africa. Most of us here can make the distinction between relatively good ethics and bad ethics, even among the various Armstrongite groups. It is difficult to praise partial good, however, Sasha and Terry do appear to be applying better ethics in the way they spread a questionable religion, and it is obvious that even a deeply flawed Christian religion such as Armstrongism is less damaging than religions promoted by witch doctors. Still, we should be careful to recognize that Armstrongism is itself a false and toxic religion, and at best, might be an effective temporary stepping-stone away from religions which are overtly based on worshipping Satan and the demons. Difficult to swallow, I know, but throughout the Bible there are examples of God rewarding the partial obedience of those who are seeking Him.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Sasha never denies Terry was arrested.

Anonymous said...

I'm curious if Thiel is breaking any laws by sending so much money to Africa? Either here in the US or in Malawi? One would think at the very least Malawi would have long ago implemented some sort of tax regimen to capture a percentage of such remittances to help fund their government.....

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Sasha never denies Terry was arrested.

Hi, Bob! Are you jealous that you were only almost arrested for doing your good works, while Terry was actually arrested? Whatever, the fact is that Terry is now free (was never charged) and that your actual arrest is yet imminent.

Anonymous said...

No $ figure was provided for Bob's support to CCOG, Africa.

Anybody have an educated guess?

The chief value of Armstrongism would be weaning people from the witch doctors. It's not unlike treating heroin addicts with methadone. After a time, they can hopefully off anything toxic.

Anonymous said...

I shouldn’t be shocked but It is evident Bob has been lying or telling half truths all along. There is nothing I trust him saying anymore.

Anonymous said...

It is really questionable whether or not false prophet bobby even has the Holy Spirit. He should resign immediately because of this scandal. Hopefully more and more believers will join Hope of Israel WCG. At least Sasha Veljic seems to be honest.

Anonymous said...

c'mon, Terry probably wouldn't be back here in U.S. yet that quick if he himself had been arrested by Malawian Keystone Cop efficiency

Sasha is not the type of guy who wastes much time on gobbledygook

RSK said...

You are aware that the dominate religion in Africa is in fact Christianity, right? Islam is a very close second. Haven't you noticed the Christian dominionists' pronounced interest in Uganda?

Anonymous said...

6:32 does sound like a droll, passive, tit-for-tat comment that Bob would make.

But, Bob, it's not a matter of who gets arrested, it's matter of who is guilty of sin. This shows where your heart is, always look to blame the other guy while calling all your accusers liars and gossipers.

Many of the apostles were arrested, weren't they? I'm sure this doesn't make you ashamed when you teach, but IT DOES when one of your employees gets arrested? Hypocrite!

Instead of jealously and childishly competing with another church for attention over who is more righteous and entitled, why don't you clean up your own church and your own backyard, just as Eli and Samuel and HWA were warned to do? What? Only YOU are the one who aboveboard and free to prophesy?

As a prophet, you should know that you mustn't be dealing in false weights and measures, favouring your crooked associates, giving more weight to their testimonies than to others, etc.

Divers weights, and divers measures, both of which alike are an abomination to the Lord." (Pr 20:10)

Repent of being starstruck with the fascination of being the head of a religious empire.

Anonymous said...

He's got 4 or 5 patsies that will write like that

& they are either going independent on him by being "here" writing that at 6:32, or they are following orders from him to become a 007 counter spy double agent infiltrating here

Terry Nelson said...

There is no Question what I've Reported here lately of Radsons guilt and Bob Thiel , supporting a criminal on the RUN/ in Selling church Bibles that me and my son donated/ No Question he has another wife and several Mistresses/Video Evidence of that now; is that his kissing Cousin? Radson made a big mistake in that Defamation Lawsuit, that Bob Thiel paid for/ as all the witnesses will be appearing/ all the Women all the Parents of the Young girls/ His nice Car Dr Thiel,so generously provided/ all his Bank Records and Western Union and Money transactions/ the Blantyre Police Department/ the Cuttings on his Flesh , the Witch Doctors Radson has Used and so much more, the Rabbit Hole is truly bottomless. 😉

Anonymous said...

So glad that you are bringing light to the dark and evil Continuing Church of God. False prophet Bobby small man Thiel. Is a sucker and always has been. Thank you Terry and Sasha.