Our favorite resident crackpot self-appointed prophet to the Church of God and the world in these perilous end times had another comedy sketch up on his website the other day.
As everyone now is aware of the recent debacle of Iran firing missiles at Israel the other day, this has set the tongues wagging in all the COG groups that this is a sure sign of the end times. Most COG groups have made some kind of comment on it. This has popped the cherry on the Great Bwana to Africa and the 100 occasional Caucasians. He is not happy that they are saying all the wrong things, despite the fact he has tried to educate them all on the one true end-time message.
This was his headline:
As long-time readers of this COGwriter Church of God News page are aware, for over a decade I have warned, based on Isaiah 22:6-9, that Iran would attack Israel. What we saw this past weekend from Iran is not that, but looks to be setting the stage up for it.
Last year, the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) put together the following Bible News Prophecy video on our Bible News Prophecy YouTube channel related to Iran and Israel:
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Iran and Israel Conflict
European Union foreign policy chief, Josep Borrel, has been brokering the nuclear negotiations involving Iran and said that he thinks the deal is “in danger.” Iran blames the United States, whereas the USA says they are not delaying it. Israeli sources stated that Israel will stop Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. Joe Biden says the USA would use its own military power to prevent Iran from getting such a bomb if need be. In 2021, Iranian lawmakers have submitted a bill seeking the government by law to commit to Israel’s destruction by the year 2040. Does the 22nd chapter of Isaiah point to damage coming to Israel from Iran and possibly Syria? Might Iran be concerned enough about limited progress with the USA to launch some type of attack? Is Iran the prophesied ‘King of the South’? Is it reasonable to think that the prophesied peace deal of Daniel 9:27 will not happen until after a military conflict. like a regional war? Should Christians watch the Middle East? Dr. Thiel and Steve Dupuie discuss these matters.
Here is a link to our video: Iran and Israel Conflict.
We are in a time of wars and rumors of wars as Jesus foretold (Matthew 24:4-8).
Believe the Bible, which has “a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:19, KJV).
Use God’s criteria, not your emotions or improper views of others, regarding understanding prophetically related events.
World events are aligning with properly understood biblical prophecies.
In the modern history of the Church of God movement, there has not been one single self-appointed prophet to the church that has ever been correct. They have all been liars - including Bob Thiel! No one in their right mind should be listening to these guys.
The Great Bwana will soon be expecting us to do this once we realize his awesomeness:
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As one with friends and family in Israel, what I can say is that during this Iranian ‘adventure’ Israel felt a great calm.
Don’t think they are unaware of divine providence and protection at this moment.
What follows is unknown. And certainly Armstrongism and its proponents and ‘prophets’ are invisible to Israel and as about as helpful as a bucket pork cutlets to the average Israeli.
Iran is on a knife edge. Its economy is in great distress and the population despises the regime. The Iranian regime’s greatest fear is its own people. The Iran we see today may not be the one we see tomorrow. Don’t think that what happened to the Shah cannot happen to the Islamic republic.
This Iranian adventure is simply a distraction from Iran's huge growing internal problems.
The reality is, no announcements by any of the Armstrong ‘media’ will make any difference to what transpires in the Middle East.
Looked at Thiel's page.
Remarkable how all those dopes fail to recognize the King of the South's attack on Sept. 2001 (9/11, the instant cute US abbreviation that the rest of the world doesn't know).
It was a great revelation to me that Persians are descendents of Elam. So that was the Shah. But they do not mention Poland as Elam as well. Dr Hoeh did so. Also Hoeh and Josephus identified Ukraine as Medes. Here it only points to Russia as Media, quite ignoring Meshech. An utterly perverse and evil mental blockage. Not a sign of inspiration.
They always cite little things to make it appear as if the big things Armstrongism has endlessly prophesied are actually happening, yet somehow they never do.
Obviously, Iran's retaliatory drone and missile strikes have been a dud. It was a far too costly event to chalk up as having been an example of street theatre, the only other alternative being that Iran is simply a sabre-rattling paper tiger, easily controlled by more advanced warriors.
The Shah once remarked that he had to be somewhat of a despot because his subjects were crazy. When you have an entire nation that is ungovernable, anything can happen.
I thought Santa Claus was the "King of the North" !! ??
Bob is one smart dude. Even smarter than Pack. Congratulations Bob.
What gets me is some of the ACOGs and even the MSM are misrepresenting the Iranian missile-drone attack. The Iranians gave Israel at last five hours warning about both the attack and its non-civilian military target. This gave both Israel and America time to position its defences, and move their assets out of harms way. Which is why 99% of the incoming missiles were destroyed. Iran's motivation was a protest against Israel bombing it embassy in Syria. And it was a successful protest at that since it cost Israel a few billion dollars worth of defensive missiles, while it only cost Iran tens of millions of dollars.
The Iranians aren't stupid. They don't want a major conflict when so close to acquiring nuclear weapons.
"I-RAN away and got my brains back" would be the most accurate outcome of "I-ran in Prophecy" concerning seat warming and gyrating in any of the splits, splinters and slivers.
Bob Thiel wrote:
"...Believe the Bible, which has “a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:19, KJV)..."
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That's a very good idea: believe the Bible! I think I will do that right now.
Now, what did the Bible say about prophets, including the likes of the boasted so called exalted professing-prophet Bob Thiel?
"...The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart." Jeremiah 14:14
And who is that father of lies? There is unique flesh and blood Bob accommodated by another spirit (Luke 9:55; James 4:5; 2 Tim 2:26), oh, and then there is that "third party."
Did Jeremiah know what he was talking about with the likes of a Bob Thiel...including anyone else Bob Thiel may have in mind like them other false prophets Bob recognized as having similar (virtually identical?) traits to his own "spirit?" And all, united in disagreeing with each other, and spewed, scattered to the "four corners of the earth!"
For Bob Thiel: When exactly, specifically, are the "end-times?" We know Satan will be angry and know that his time is short. When will that be reality? Do you think Satan will think his time is short today, before that vile evil thing goes to the pit? What angers him and his evil angels today?
Or, might you think Satan will be angrier, most angry when, AFTER 1,000 YEARS, that vile evil thing is loosed and exits that pit to again deceive this entire world again, causing war again, etc., because he THEN KNOWS that his time is short, really short?
Bob, you are vastly confused with so much focusing on flesh and blood wrestling (Eph 6:12).
Yes, the 7 Trumps (nothing to do with "the Donald" and his family), wrath of the Lamb, occur prior to Satan entering that pit; however, the 7 Vials/Plagues, God's Wrath, will not occur until after Satan exits that pit knowing he has but a short/little time/season/space and finally puts an end to what that thing does best!
Bobby, if you were Satan, how would you do it?
Time will tell...
P.S. Tonto wrote you saying: "I thought Santa Claus was the "King of the North" !! ??"
What did you think about that, Bobby? I found it to be an interesting thought; however, it may be more accurate to just take that "n" and move it to the "end:" and voila, Satan: this world's god being worshipped as though he were God. That thing is really good at keeping you, Bob, full of false prophecies. Bob we are so many years beyond the time that HWA thought so much would happen in "our time, in 3-5 years..."
God does know who that King of the North is (Acts 15:18; Heb 4:3).
But, yes, time will tell
John
John - time will tell.
I bet that if I spent enough time looking around, I would find the non-ACOG denomination that you are copying and pasting from with your rejection of the millennium and your "God's Wrath, will not occur until after Satan exits that pit knowing he has but a short/little time..."
You have also on many occasions attacked self-love even though it has never been explicitly taught by Armstrongism. Plus oddly you have defended Herb here on occasion.
Some group other than Armstrongism has imprinted your mind.
"They don't want a major conflict when so close to acquiring nuclear weapons."
I tend to concur, despite some media elements being so breathlessly excited over the incident.
Anon, Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 9:21:00 AM PDT, said:
"...John - time will tell.
I bet that if I spent enough time looking around, I would find the non-ACOG denomination that you are copying and pasting from with your rejection of the millennium and your "God's Wrath, will not occur until after Satan exits that pit knowing he has but a short/little time..."
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Who rejects the millennium? The Bible mentions a 1,000 years, and what is written to that 1,000 years is true. Do you have another theory in mind that you use the word "millennium" and not the "thousand years?"
You also wrote: "...You have also on many occasions attacked self-love even though it has never been explicitly taught by Armstrongism..."
Do you have problems with believing scriptures? Have you not read the following?
"For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:" Eph 5:29
Do you not believe that verse with your theory of "self-love?
And then you wrote: "...Plus oddly you have defended Herb here on occasion.
Some group other than Armstrongism has imprinted your mind..."
What don't you like about Herb? Yes, perhaps most of his theories on the 1,000 years are not correct. And yes, the Jesus he expected to return in his lifetime never materialized. And, yes, HWA sinned? Are you any different? You apparently don't believe Eph 6:12, which states: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]."
You apparently don't believe that verse either as you seem to have a case of Herb-derangement syndrome, but that's your problem, and you are welcome to it.
Herb wasn't totally wrong, and neither are you. When will you follow Jesus Christ's request to "love one another?"
Time will tell...
John
For those unaware, the most googled search in Israel during and following the Iranian attack was ‘Tehillim’ Songs of Praise.
Since October 7th last year there has been remarkable stories of divine protection and help throughout the land of Israel and also a huge increase in Israeli citizens seeking solace in religious activity. Synagogues have noted much increased numbers in attendance and many are coming to faith in Christ. The tragedy of the Hamas attacks and ongoing relentless attacks on Israel and the Jewish community worldwide and the open and often genocidal hate directed at them have not gone unnoticed and many are now openly searching for answers and solutions to what they are confronting.
It is of note, there is a correspondingly large decline in biblical awareness and knowledge in the USA as noted by the Bible Society in America in reporting this week.
What don't you like about Herb? Yes, perhaps most of his theories on the 1,000 years are not correct.
>>>>>> If one tries to answer that question you get drawn into his huge number of doctrinal errors. But to limit it so as to keep this short it's sufficient I think to note his theories on a huge number of prophecies (hanging off the ''Israel'' idea), and starting from the very beginning, whereby he asserted he had this special warning commission.
All total vanity and lies causing great harm on believers over the decades.
Most importantly, he never looked back and apologized for `these falsehoods because the semblance of knowing prophecy is a great drawcard to new members - in other words he continued the lie.
And this is not to mention his effects on peoples lives via the false teaching of tithing.
This is the same reason these associated churches are still emphasizing prophecy as if they know it as well.
There is nothing whatsoever to like about any of these people.
The other interesting thing is that Israel did not bomb the Iranian Embassy but the building next to it that housed the Red Guard..a designated terrorist group named by the US and Israel. Plenty of photos to back that up. Iran's attack was deliberate and a total failure.
I read through Isaiah 22 referred to in the Post, and the verses 6-9 in particular as they were especially noted.
Confusingly, Isaiah 22:6-9 and others seem to have nothing at all to do with modern times, being a prophecy against Jerusalem and attack from Assyrians.
read through it several times. Checked out certain commentaries. Thought about it.
Came to the view any one trying to conjure up a link to an attack on Israel last week I am going to say is most likely 99.999999999999% wrong.
Even though he was a patsy to his many underling patsies, he might have got 1 thing correct : Brexit since the 50's even before Common Mkt./€.U.?
You’d have to put that one down to sheer good luck I think. I’d need to read of it
He's smarter than anyone...I lie
Anon, Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 6:53:00 PM PDT, said:
"...What don't you like about Herb? Yes, perhaps most of his theories on the 1,000 years are not correct.
>>>>>> If one tries to answer that question you get drawn into his huge number of doctrinal errors. But to limit it so as to keep this short it's sufficient I think to note his theories on a huge number of prophecies (hanging off the ''Israel'' idea), and starting from the very beginning, whereby he asserted he had this special warning commission.
All total vanity and lies causing great harm on believers over the decades.
Most importantly, he never looked back and apologized for `these falsehoods because the semblance of knowing prophecy is a great drawcard to new members - in other words he continued the lie.
And this is not to mention his effects on peoples lives via the false teaching of tithing.
This is the same reason these associated churches are still emphasizing prophecy as if they know it as well.
There is nothing whatsoever to like about any of these people..."
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Anon, is there anything about you to like? What is it? No, don't write it, but what did Jesus command others to do? It wasn't anything about liking people, any peeps.
Jesus Christ's request, which came for His God, His Father, was:
"These things I command you, that ye love one another." John 15:17
How well are you doing that? Again, don't tell us.
Paul supplemented Jesus' command with this:
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another; for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law." Romans 13:8
Do you owe HWA anything? Does he owe you anything?
Does God love you? Does/did God love HWA? Is God a respecter of persons when it comes to salvation? Did HWA lose out on salvation? Did you lose out on salvation?
John tells us this: "Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another."
1 John 4:11
Again, does God love you? Do you believe any of those verses? That last one cited?
As a reminder, it is appointed once for you, me, us all to die once. Why? Sin will have been in each of our lives, and you know what the wages are. Your death pays for those wages, and you would after death remain in that grave if it weren't for what Jesus' God accomplished by the power of God in Jesus' life. Will you live again? Will HWA live again? Sin exists in all of our lives like it did in Paul's life (Romans 7:17-20), and yes along with evil being present with us (Rom 7:21). What is there to "like" about any of us?
Why do you think, Christ our Passover (FWIIW: this subject is timely and in season) was sacrificed for us (including HWA, and you, me, us, those of this present evil world since the days of Adam and Eve, who like the rest of us, have been learning to hate evil: not peeps)?
What is going to allow you to have a passing over of eternal death? Will it be by anything you do? Paul knew what he was talking about when he wrote 2 Cor 5:19; however, we should be so thankful, but continue doing the best you can and have a great day, but...
Time will tell...
John
Sorry, for a mistake I made, but here is the correction for the following sentence:
Jesus Christ's request, which came [[from]] His God, His Father, was:
Indeed love one another is Jesus’s command. This is not an unfettered command as He also said:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 “You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 “Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 “Therefore by their fruits you will know them.””
There is no requirement to live a person who presents or presented themselves as a true teacher but is/ was false.
If you choose to do otherwise that of course is your freedom but please don’t berate others who decide in you conscience.
I personally have seen valid SHARP criticism of HWA, that he brought onto his own self, such as the loony use of his liaison Osamu Gotoh, & the way he allowed the error prone booklet "1975 In Prophecy" to gaslight people, and the waste of church time & money over his wacky 2nd marriage to Ramona. There are reports of people selling homes or cancelling health insurance due to believing 1975 was "it". HWA surely knew folks were being duped into such financially destructive poor choices, & didn't corral his wayward undelings very well.
But this 1 thing, Brexit, may be an item he was correct about since the 50's :
"From the earliest days of broadcasting work in the 1930s, Herbert W. Armstrong forecast the advent of a united European power. In 1956 he wrote, 'Probably Germany will lead and dominate the coming United States of Europe, but Britain will be no part of it' ”.
"Even when Britain joined the European Community in 1973, Mr. Armstrong did not back away from this bold prophecy. 'Britain is going to look back on Monday, Jan. 1, 1973, in all probability, as a most tragically historic date—a date fraught with ominous potentialities!' he wrote. 'For that date marked the United Kingdom’s entry into the European Community.'
He concluded that 1973 article by writing, 'Britain’s entry into the European Community portends a tragic situation. Britain will be faced with a dilemma.' "
"Later, in 1978, with Britain firmly entrenched in the European Economic Community, Mr. Armstrong described a 'soon-coming resurrected Holy Roman Empire—a sort of soon-coming ‘United States of Europe’—a union of 10 nations to rise up out of or following the Common Market of today.'
'Britain will not be in that empire soon to come,' he wrote.
We did see U.K. leaving the E.U., with earmarks reminiscient of the 1950's predictions?
Thankyou for the background. I recall some details that may be useful;
- when uk joined the EC the number of members went from 6 to 9 ( as two others joined at same time in 1973)
- some eight years later the number went to 10 countries whereupon it remained T that level for some five years
- when uk left the EU in 2020 the number of member countries became 27
Conclusions : for about five years in the early 1980s the number of ten gave all signs of fulfilling Armstrong (& others because we need recall this prediction was being made by other cults and groups as well it is quite commonly held)
However, after 1986 numbers continued to climb. Armstrong’s prediction of a soon to be ten nation combine failed,
- and when we add the hundreds of other failures ( of which you may research if interested and these range from 1934 to 1986) - the only logical conclusion can be that his prediction of U k leaving was just a flukey outcome. Don’t look for the hand of God in any of this.
Who knows what these ten. Nations are. I’ve even read a view that it stems from the eastern part of the Roman Empire which lasted a thousand years longer and was bigger than the west,
Indeed who knows.
- one thing we can know is Armstrong was performing no special role he had no prophetical warning role whatsoever it was entirely in his vain imaginations
Of course should you choose to see otherwise and think that God did inspire this one true prophecy (in hundreds of failures) then of course you have freedom to do so.
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Any numerical total of the E.U. nations at a given time, whether it be 27, 28, or 6 or 9 or 11 etc., can be tweaked in any upcoming parliamentary sessions. The "Benelux" is 3, but can be registered as 1. Yugoslavia once was 6 socialist republics jammed into "1" : Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia.
Other portions of the 27 or 28 can be sub-grouped into regions, blocs or "states" or "principalities".
Sections of the current 28 can have their borders gerrymandered into 10 at any time. A regional governor can be appointed to rule as 1 nation, what are now 3 or 4.
King George III once even ruled America, as did his pop & granddad.
When I was in elementary school a teacher told us that our textbooks maps of Africa will likely be outdated soon after any textbook updates.
U.S. was not long ago only 48. Then 50. Some in Puerto Rico want it 51. In the Civil War we had 31 States. Then there were 20 (on one side). And 11 (on the other).
E.U. can regroup or rename nations or regions just like was done for Zaire, Rhodesia, Swaziland, Yugoslavia, Benelux, etc. 27 & 28 can become "10" at any time.
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