Sunday, June 14, 2026

Bob Thiel and Aaron Dean's Masterclass in Armstrongist Bureaucratic Fraud: When Two Tiny Personality Cults (UCG/CCOG) Team Up to Hoodwink an Entire Country




In a breathtaking display of theological flexibility, Bob Thiel has decided that the best way to get his microscopic Continuing Church of God registered in Burundi is to hold hands with the very group he spent years telling his followers was spiritually compromised. Because nothing screams “end-time remnant” quite like begging your former rivals for help meeting basic government paperwork requirements.

Burundi recently raised the bar for foreign-connected churches: they now need at least 500 members, land, and an actual building. Thiel’s operation apparently falls short on its own, so he’s turned to the United Church of God — the same organization many in his circle have long dismissed as “Laodicean.” UCG already owns land in the country and has some form of temporary approval. The two sides have been discussing pooling money to build a shared church building that both groups could use. Thiel was very careful to stress that this is not a merger. It’s just two completely separate churches conspiring to meet legal minimums together. How refreshingly honest.

This kind of opportunistic “cooperation” is textbook Armstrongism. For decades, groups in this movement have perfected the art of using manipulation and selective truth-telling to get what they want. When it suits the leadership, rival factions suddenly discover they’re “brethren” who should work together. When it doesn’t, they go right back to publicly branding each other as spiritually blind or even demonic. The goal is never genuine unity — it’s always institutional survival and the appearance of legitimacy. Members are kept in the dark or fed spiritual-sounding language while the men at the top quietly make deals that would make a corporate lawyer blush.

The same playbook is on full display here. Thiel and Aaron Dean can posture about “not merging” all they want, but the practical reality is two tiny American-led splinter groups desperately trying to combine their limited resources to trick a foreign government into giving them legal status. It’s the religious equivalent of two broke guys renting one tuxedo and showing up to a wedding pretending to be one respectable person. The only difference is that in Armstrongism, this kind of deception gets wrapped in layers of “God’s work” and “prophetic understanding” so the members feel spiritually obligated to support it.

Thiel even suggests people should “pray about this.” One assumes the prayer is that Burundian officials don’t look too closely at the actual numbers or ask awkward questions about why two groups that can barely stand each other suddenly need to share a building. In the grand tradition of Armstrongism, when manipulation and bureaucratic sleight-of-hand fail, there’s always prayer — preferably the kind that keeps the members docile while the leadership handles the real business of staying relevant.

It’s almost impressive how consistently these groups manage to turn even basic government registration into an exercise in creative deception. Two organizations that normally compete for the same small pool of followers are now discussing joint real estate investments in Africa, all while loudly insisting nothing has changed. Classic Armstrongism: the rules only apply until they become inconvenient, at which point “cooperation” magically appears — right up until the paperwork is approved.

Stay tuned. In the thrilling world of Church of God politics, today’s bitter rivals are tomorrow’s business partners, provided there’s a government form that needs filling out.

As mentioned last year, the government of Burundi changed their laws requirements for churches to be legally function and be registered there. Augustin Mpawenimana began the process for us.

Augustin Mpawenimana and Evans Ochieng

The laws now basically state that a church with a foreign connection must have at least 500 persons, land, and a building (and maybe multiple ones), in order to register so it can legally operate. This is something I started to speak with Aaron Dean of UCG about a couple of years ago. And we talked again about this on Monday after Augustin Mpawenimana sent me an updated email on the situation (Aaron Dean and I also discussed church history and some prophetic matters).

Like us, the United Church of God (UCG) has applied for official registration in Burundi, but still has not been approved (we have some type of temporary approval). If UCG gets some approval, then they are looking at how to meet whatever other requirements there may be. Aaron Dean told me that he would inform me when, and if, UCG gets its request for registration approved and I would tell him what is going on with the registration of the Continuing Church of God. He continues to believe that UCG should be able to cooperate with us in Burundi. As it turns out, UCG purchased land in Burundi a while back to assist its registration. He and I discussed the possibility of both groups providing some funding for building materials so the brethren from both COGs can construct a church building which both could use for services, etc.

We are NOT discussing any type of church merger, only how we may be able to cooperate so both churches will be able to legally function in Burundi. You may wish to pray about this.











21 comments:

Anonymous said...

OK! I guess! How is this different from taking pictures of people hired as props, and calling them your church congregation? Seems like the disingenuousness flows in several different ways. So, reality is that everyone is playing tricks! Nice way to spread the gospel, guys!

Anonymous said...

CCOG and UCG are "cooperating" in the same way that the frog cooperates with the scorpion to get across the river.

The catch is that CCOG and UCG each think of themselves as the scorpion and the other group as the frog.

Ronco said...

Picture it- Cartoon Bob and UCG's Jelly.... Awesome, as Ron Weinland would say.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like the just announced Iran USA peace ‘deal’. Peace peace when you have no peace lol. Word of advice to ucog….beware of wolves in sheep clothing. And of course to you Mr President lol. What an interesting world we live in. Me thinks this ‘agreement’ between ccog and ucog will sooner than later fall apart with much acrimony. And of course the other ‘deal’. But hey who am I. Maybe Bob will join up with ucog. And an ordination will be the key for Bob and of course a salary. It’s called the Art of the Deal lol.

Anonymous said...

I'm a UCG member and I find this "cooperation" disturbing. Thiel is not someone we should be cooperating with. There is too much baggage attached to this guy. He is not to be trusted. He has bragged in the last about poaching members from us. This will end up backfiring on us as a church.

Anonymous said...

Well now UCG member @ 6:00:04 posting anonymously………what’s ya name bro?
Reality is Armstrong cog members must post anonymously….otherwise get the boot. What a church, that one has so much fear of the ministry and cannot reveal one’s identity. Not what the gospel tells us, is it folks. Jesus came that we might have a life more abundant, fear is not abundant. On a side note, I agree with your comments.

Anonymous said...

Bob Thiel has more in common with his former LCG home with us than he does with UCG. If he objected to things with us in LCG then he's got more complaints against UuCG.
Here are 2 links that comment on ccog and ucg differences and the others. unless things have changed

https://www.cogwriter.com/ucg.htm

https://ccogorg.ccogdr.eu/how-does-the-continuing-church-of-god-differ-from-other-sabbatarian-cog-groups/

Anonymous said...

Wowzers turning on Aaron Dean now.

Epoñymous said...

6:00:00 is not from my small town in MI, & I'm the only UCG person here...

Anonymous said...

Aaron Dean is likely going to eventually examine Priscilla's report about the plight she's going through. Aaron could ask if Bob is gaslighting Priscilla or not, regarding the newly revived "divorce & remarriage" setup she's dealing with.

Bob is not taking Priscilla's yes to be a yes & her no to be a no. But can Aaron ask Bob why Radson's yes is "definitely" a yes & why Radson's no is "definitely" a no? Why can't Priscilla's word be honored as well?

Anonymous said...

No, I don't think Aaron is turned on by Bob, despite the unseemly man-crush Bob sometimes seems to be displaying toward Mr. Dean.

Anonymous said...

Bob Thiel likes to throw around Aaron Dean's name as a way of legitimizing himself. Remember, it is ALWAYS about Bob first and foremost. Aaron has a along association with the COG and Bob does not. Bob has to be the most mocked and ridiculed Church of God leader in history, Even Flurry, Pack and Weinland seem more legitimate than Bob does, and that's being generous!

Eponymous said...

Yes you're spot on, 10:55, because as we at the end of Bob's self-congratulatory report of UCG/CCOG "cooperation", Bob injects that last jab with the clause of : "...we are NOT discussing any type of church merger..."

Epon. said...

...as we (see) at the end of Bob's...

Anonymous said...

9:44. There is well known wise sayings about people who put sex in every remark....trying to be obnoxious and shock tactics to others...they usually don't get any. Ha!

Anonymous said...


Here is a salient piece of logic. If you were going to set up some fake crap to fool the government, wouldn't the best person with whom to get in league be the noted originator of so much fake crap already? Hypothetically, his experience is of deep value in this case. Another wise aspect to this strategy is that everybody knows about the guy and doesn't trust him, so there is no way he's going to be able to poach your members!

Epoñymous said...

That piece you wrote is too vague, 11:06. Who is this so called "best person"...right now the main figures in this topic's mix are, Mr. Bob Thiel, Mr. Terry Nelson, Mr. Aaron Dean, maybe Mr. HWA, possibly Ha-Satan, maybe Mr. Mulozowa, Ms. Priscilla, Mr. Evans O., Mr. Sasha Veljic, maybe Bob's old LCG folk.

Could we politely ask you 11:06, on who is the figure in your parable of "salient logic"?

Who is the "best person" to get in league with? Who is the""originator", and what did he/she originate?? Who is trying to poach who's members?

After all that 2¢ I just blabbed into the vending machine here, I'm left with assuming you meant Bob Thiel poaching the UCG members. But I'd like to know who is who in the 11:06 parable.

Anonymous said...

Oh, no, 7:13, the reason for COG members posting anonymously or eponomously is not so much to avoid the boot or gavel of being marked or disfellowshipped by curmudgeon ministry.

COG persons remain anonymous here in order to safeguard their families & homes from eventually receiving street protests, telemarketer calls, spammer or mole or troll calls, website attacks & shaming from the other side of the aisle, and from any surviving element leftover from what happened to Jews in 1940s.

The COG movement sometimes ends up gaining interest from anti-semites simply because of the 7th day sabbath which Jews keep as a distinguishing identifying sign so to speak.

It's a noteworthy potential reason for remaining anonymous if possible, at least for one's family's sake.

Eponymous said...

If Bob joins UCG 3:41, or if UCG joins Bob, will Bob's "mantle" allow Priscilla to also join...even if she keeps Radson out in the doghouse with the new lady/wife/girlfriend/cousin

Płątÿpü§ Ænoñymøu§ said...

That team would be like a PBS Sesame Street. But which one would sort out the newly poached members from which side, by the analog mathematic methods from The Count...one, two, two new members, three, four ah-a-ah-a-ah.

Anonymous said...

OK! 5:22, you just passed the first match of CAPTCHA. Now all you need to do is identify the rest! ~11:06

PS: Aw! c'mon! It's easy, babe!