Thursday, May 23, 2013

Bob Thiel: Because of God's Mercy He Kills and Maims With Tornadoes



Bob Thiel, the non-ordained self-appointed false prophet, has went to great lengths today to point out that his vengeful god truly does delight in killing, maiming and destroy with tornadoes.

Bob started out with:

While the terms ‘tornado’ and ‘cyclone’ are not in the NKJV, KJV, or the DRB (Douay Rheims Bible), some translations of the Bible (like THE MESSAGE) do use them, and those that do not tend to use the term ‘whirlwind,’ which is basically what a tornado/cyclone is.
The Bible shows that whirlwinds are one of the forms of weather that God controls:
3 The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The Lord has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet. (Nahum 1:3)
God teaches that because of disobedience He will scatter people and use a whirlwind:
8 Then the word of the Lord came to Zechariah, saying, 9 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:
‘Execute true justice,
Show mercy and compassion
Everyone to his brother.
10 Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless,
The alien or the poor.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart
Against his brother.’
11 But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear. 12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it happened, that just as He proclaimed and they would not hear, so they called out and I would not listen,” says the Lord of hosts. 14 “But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations which they had not known. Thus the land became desolate after them, so that no one passed through or returned; for they made the pleasant land desolate.” (Zechariah 7:8-14)
21 A cyclone sweeps them up — gone!
Not a trace of them left, not even a footprint.
22 Catastrophes relentlessly pursue them;
they run this way and that, but there’s no place to hide

He then has to drag in British Israelism into his brewing pot:

The following is telling of a time when at least some of the descendents of Ephraim (currently dominating lands such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) will face a major destruction from a tornado:
5 Even though Ephraim ran wild,
the black sheep of the family.
“God’s tornado is on its way,
roaring out of the desert.
It will devastate the country,
leaving a trail of ruin and wreckage.
The cities will be gutted,
dear possessions gone for good.
16 Now Samaria has to face the charges
because she has rebelled against her God:
Her people will be killed, babies smashed on the rocks,
pregnant women ripped open.
(Hosea 13:15-16, THE MESSAGE)
 Bob particularly likes vs. 16 in hte above quote from The Message.  He takes delight in  babies smashed against the rocks and pregnant women ripped open.  He can't talk about Jesus but loves to quote his vengeful god by somehow tying the USA into the above Scripture.  Oh yeah, I forgot,  its British Israelism so it is 100% fact.

In the above, notice that Samaria is also affected. This seems to be a reference to the ‘melting pot’ of the USA (Samaria was a melting pot mixture of Babylonians and Israelites).

Then, he ties his invading German armies into taking citizens of he USA to Germany as slaves:

7 “They sow the wind,
And reap the whirlwind.
The stalk has no bud;
It shall never produce meal.
If it should produce,
Aliens would swallow it up.
8 Israel is swallowed up;
Now they are among the Gentiles
Like a vessel in which is no pleasure.
9 For they have gone up to Assyria,
Like a wild donkey alone by itself;
Ephraim has hired lovers. (Hosea 8:6-9)
The passage in Hosea 8 is clearly referring to the descendents of Israel, including Ephraim and Samaria. Notice that they are among the Gentiles and some go to Assyria (end time Germany). There are enough references to whirlwinds and the end time descendents of Israel that it seems like one or more major tornadoes are prophesied to affect them.
After being mocked for the last couple of days for defending his vengeful god Bob claims that the people killed by the tornadoes were not necessarily the worst sinners out there.  Though they might have had a little good, they were essentially all evil people.

Thus, though some of these passages may also have a figurative sense, major tornadoes are forecasted in biblical prophecy.

Now, does this mean that those most affected by tornadoes are necessarily worse sinners than those less affected?

The biblical answer is no.

Notice the words of Jesus:
45…He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. (Matthew 5:45)
4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Luke 13:4-5)
He ends with his always encouraging tone:

God uses weather and other events to try to get people’s attention.
God does not want people to suffer, but to turn to Him
He uses weather for correction and for His mercy (Job 37:13).
Will you heed the weather warnings?

Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Do You Realize That Armstrong Demanded 76% Of Your Income?



Over on the All About Armstrongism Blog he has up all of the expected tithes and offerings that the Worldwide Church of God expected/demanded from members.  Do you realize that if you had participated 100% in Armstrong's expectation that you would have given the Church 76% of your income?

Flurry, Meredith and the others carry on this same obscene tradition today.  The worst offender is Dave Pack who expects members to turn over all retirement programs, mortgage homes and businesses and give every last penny you have to him.

Here is what was expected of true followers:

  • First tithe – which was 10% of gross income.
  • Second tithe – which was another 10% of gross income.
  • Third tithe – which was another 10% of gross income.
  • Regular Offerings  3% of gross income
    • Holy Day offerings.  4% of gross income.
    • Emergency Fund – No percentage given.
    • Fourth Year Fruit From Trees  (I remember my mother doing this)
    • First-fruits – estimate the value and give the money to headquarters
    • Firstborn male of cattle  (I know farmers who did this)
    • Firstborn child – buy back with an offering to headquarters.
    • Building fund expectations were 4% of gross income
    • Tithe of Tithe expectations were 10% of gross income
    • Loans to the work were also expected of members (I remember when the receivership happened and Tkach and Webber stood up in the Hall of Ad and told members to mortgage their homes and businesses to help stop Satan)
    • Gifts to the Church
    • Special Emergency gifts when the Work was in trouble were also expected of members
    • Also mentioned were library funds, recreational funds, spokesman club dues, and social funds.

    Check out his entire article at the link above for much more detail on what we were conned out off.  These percentages and giving opportunities were from John Pruner's sermon.

    All of this to fund a work that was embarrassed to talk about Jesus or God.  What impact did HWA have traveling the world talking about a "strong hand from someplace?" 



    Why Are There No Happy People In The COG That Do Good????



    A reader on Gavin's blog made the following comment:

    "I have come to realise that nothing is better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. (Eccl. 3:12)"

    Yet I challenge anyone to name a happy person or one that does good.
    Apparently there are NO happy people anywhere in the world  and certainly not one single human on the entire planet that does good.  Everyone is just miserable human filth that is destined to the worm pile to be eaten by maggots.  Such a lovely outlook on life from a typical right wing Armstrongite.