The Dave Pack Prophecy Clown Show Continues

 

Presumption Circus

 

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God was able to brave his way to the Prophecy Cooking Table without a police escort this past Sabbath to deliver “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 392).”

 

He got in front of his own failure again, with only minutes to spare.

 

That poor Headquarters congregation just cannot get a break. Oh, joy…another after-meal Bible study. How they fight the yawns is a testament to their fortitude.

 

Part 392 was sold initially as a "just in case" message but turned into a little more. The "backstop" of Elul 20 was pitched at the very end, being the last possible chance for anything to happen this year on the Feast of Trumpets.

 

Keep watching each day until Thursday at sunset. Or don’t. Because the result will be the same as Thursday turns into Friday. I just got chills down my arm.

 

 

@ 01:12 We had an extraordinary meeting on Thursday. The Chamber of Commerce and our vendors, and some who were in both, came to what turned out to be a truly wonderful event. It lasted about three hours or so. Well-attended. Probably a good hundred people came. And to say they were impressed is the all-time, you know, understatement, I guess I would say.

 

Notice he did not call it an “Open House.” I told you they read my articles.

 

“Well-attended” is a salt-water taffy comment stretched through the Dave Filter with no measurement basis. I could say my party was "well-attended" when only ten people showed up. That is great if you invited twelve. If you invited fifty, you have a scale on which to compare.

 

His “good hundred” has to be framed with how he perceives that term. Recall my rainbow story. They have the exact number. Dave had the exact number. As Brad showed him, if the number is not impressive, just be vague and give the impression of it being noteworthy.

 

If it was “well over a hundred,” he would have said that. The insertion of “probably” gives him a lot of wiggle room with the truth so he can intentionally hide in the fog. That is the RCG way.

 

The Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce has 1,200+ individuals who were eligible for the RCG UnOpen House invite. That number is in addition to the vendors. Now reread his comment with that in context to see if it feels any different.

 

Very few at Headquarters will ever know the actual numbers, especially if Dave had to squint and include the staff to get “close” to one hundred bodies on the Campus within a 3-hour period.

 

When Dave historically crows about people "being impressed," the comment enters his ears because the question is posed, like when a woman asks her husband, "Do I look good in this?" What are you going to say? No?

 

I stood next to Dave when he did this to visitors. "Impressive, right?" "Oh yes, Mr. Pack. Very impressive." I have heard him do this in my presence. Multiply that by him asking twenty people in the same way. Now reread his comment with that in context to see if it feels any different.

 

To add a bit more color, I received this Disneyland Map handed out to visitors on Thursday.

Note the absence of the houses inside the Campus. The $1.1 million horse barn also did not make the cut. No, it is not to scale for all your architects out there.

 

 

Former Wadsworth Mayor Dr. Caesar Carrino attended the UnOpen House and then wrote a glowing letter to Dave, who was tickled pink to read it to the church. It was complimentary, and I do not doubt that gentleman's sincerity.

 

Dr. Carrino is also a historian and shared an interesting fact when he spoke with Dave.

 

@ 02:31 He said, “Did you know what this property used to be used for?... This is where the circus came to town. The circus was on this property for years.”

 

What a softball pitch, Dave. The circus is still on the property. Dr. Carrino returned to the circus of his youth. The members of The Restored Church of God are trapped inside your spiritual circus.

Be dazzled by the RCG spectacle under their big top of prophetic fraud and feel your logic and critical thinking fade away.

 

[Shout out to my two buddies who pointed this comment out after I did not catch it.]

 

Near the end of the letter, Dr. Carrino asks Dave an earnest question:

 

@ 07:02 “Would you consider making the grounds a destination point for people in Wadsworth? Or from anywhere else, for that matter, to see the Eden on earth that has no parallel anywhere around here that I have seen. I think it would be extremely well-attended.”

 

Dave does not answer that question because we all know it already:

 

“A cordial hell-no, sir. Good day.”

 

 

@ 28:11 I finally, truly, completely understand what it means that "three shepherds also die in one month.” One lunation. 29 days.

 

I have been hearing Dave “understand” the three shepherds of Zechariah 11 since December 2012. Dave left out all the names of men who carried that title in the past. One of them is now a high school math teacher in Texas. That does not sound prophetic.

 

@ 29:15 Now, follow me very carefully. I’m gonna break out the month of Elul in a way we’ve never understood it. And it’ll be impossible to argue with.

 

After the Feast of Trumpets comes and goes, he will make the impossible possible by arguing with himself and that insolent "we." He seems to be doing a lot of that these past few weeks.

 

@ 32:34 But here is one whole month that now I understand involves a flock being fed at the last before God does anything. There is no other way to read that.

 

@ 37:09 I kept asking, Could we go past Elul 15?

 

@ 38:19 So, there’s no way it’s a 15-day Kingdom. And I knew that a week ago when I told you we would probably be looking at next Saturday night. That’s what I thought. So, I thought we were waiting for the 15^th [of Elul].

 

He reverses his own 15-day Kingdom teaching from last week. He also dis-invites Elul 15 (September 11, 2022) as the day RCG receives salvation.

 

Let the past go, brethren. Last week IS the past, brethren. Do not let past words confuse us, brethren.

 

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.

 

@ 38:30 But I may have presumed something, and I wanna clear that up, and maybe God knew we would‘cause we’re bounding over all kinds of things. Bounding over mountains. And have to sometimes go back and touch up a few details. So, I wanna do that.

 

Here are “a few details” from one week ago in Part 391 that need some "touch-up."

 

Part 391 – September 3, 2022

@ 29:53 …and we’re gonna find we’re right on time in a way we could’ve never guessed.

 

@ 42:00 We’re gonna bring prophecy and history and math together.

 

@ 1:11:35 Blessed is when salvation comes. And it looks like it’s attached to 15 days before something. I’m pretty sure it’s Trumpets.

 

@ 1:13:52 There’s no way the [70^th] week would start any other day [Elul 15]. If God’s gonna do it on another day, we could never know that. And I’m just gonna say that to you.

 

Only David C.raptacular Pack can consider delaying the arrival of salvation for the members of RCG as a “touch up a few details” item. But, the people choose to continue to sit and listen. The enablers choose to continue to support and excuse.

 

The wise Obi-Wan Kenobi once said, “Who’s the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?”

 

Amen, Ben.

 

My heart still goes out to the brethren of The Restored Church of God, but I want to ask them, "Why do you continue to put up with this? Your Pastor General continues to admit to the end of the message that he has been presumptuous. What do you make of that?”

 

If “presumptuous” were a drinking game, you would need to have the ambulance on speed dial.

 

 

@ 39:04 Is this a 15-day Kingdom? Is it a 10-day Kingdom?

 

In the article Seven Times Fraud from August 16, a certain non-prophet/non-psychic wrote:

 

Either world events happen tomorrow [August 17] to begin the punishment for all of Israel, or Dave digs back into his Bible to find a 30-day count. Then a 20-day count. Then a 10-day count. Then a 7-day count. Then a 3-day count. Then a “big fat never mind because it was The Last Great Day all along!”

 

Dave continues his Part 392 “presumption” confessional.

 

@ 39:50 Nowhere is a definite length for this period listing, and I do not want to presume to say that I knowbecause it is still possible. In fact, probable we don’t know the day.

 

Whew. He just rolled the clock back on RCG doctrine to a pre-2012 teaching.

 

@ 40:03 But we know it cannot go more than 4 ½ days. It could go all the way to 10 days. That's a round number.

 

Never mind. Back to presuming. That is literally the following sentence with a breath in between.

 

@ 48:14 I’ll explain the 1335 in a minute. We might have made a presumption there.

 

"We" the fartface is back at it, making the days feel longer than necessary.

 

For all those stone hearts out there who enjoy watching Dave squirm while admitting how presumptuous he has been, this video is right up your alley. Watch this as if he were a little child you just caught stealing money from your dresser drawer and then asked him to explain himself.

Watch how another prophecy problem “will just work itself out naturally.”

 

@ 48:39 The 1335. Is this really a known date? Is that really today? Are we in the 1335 today? Or did I presume something coming off of Elul 15 and Artaxerxes’ decree…I presumed Elul 15.

 

@ 49:32 I presumed off of Elul 15 and the start of 69 weeks of seven years. 2,500 years ago, when they started, I presumed that the seven years, the last week, the 70^th week would start on Elul 15. Now, look, I hope it’s tonight. Let me just say that. But that's a presumption, partly because this last week where God “confirms the covenant with many” cannot be exactly seven years. Brethren of God, it's literally not possible. And I knew that last week, but I hadn't sorted it out exactly. It has to be...seven weeks and a few days for the first kingdom.

 

He was wrong, but he knew before everyone else. Finding a way to be right about something he was wrong is a classic Dave Pack move.

 

No matter how big a hat he eats in front of the Headquarters congregation, the "learning opportunity" will soon be forgotten, and the pattern will repeat.

 

@ 51:10 So, I assumed, “Well, that’s Elul 15. I guess this last week is seven years and fifteen days. And maybe that’s why it’s 1335. Oh, the fifteen days lines up. Presumption complete.

 

If you go back (and nobody will do this, I know) and listen to Part 391, David C. Pack did a “masterful” job of masking his wild presumptions as biblical fact. As is his custom since 2012.

 

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.

 

He continually exposes himself as untrustworthy to all the “ministers” and all the members inside The Restored Church of God.

 

How could a human being broadcast more plainly, “DO NOT TRUST ME!” than David C. Pack? Your answers are all before you in his own words.

 

@ 51:28 But if you think about it…I have no authority. I made an assumption. I have no authority to say that the First Kingdom, the 1335 has to be 15 days…

 

Last week, if members inside RCG disagreed with this teaching verbally to their minister, they would have been suspended on the spot and shown the door with a spankin' for good measure. Seven days of history prove they were right.

 

If you disagreed with “God’s apostle” seven days ago, you would have been on the right side of the truth fence. Let that sink in.

 

Why are all the “ministers” at Headquarters on board with every whim and fancy that Dave conjures week after week and month after month?

 

Because that is what hirelings do. The only “ministers” left inside The Restored Church of God are hirelings.

 

@ 52:49 I don’t wanna just sit here now and build a case for 10-days from now, then we all go to sleep. It may be tonight or maybe Monday night or something. I’ll give you an interesting idea here in a moment. But, I made that presumption.

 

He just admitted repeatedly that he has been "presuming," yet he does it again and continues presuming until the message's conclusion. Nine more minutes of it. Speculation upon speculation upon speculation.

 

That is pathological. No joke. No snark. He cannot stop what he is doing. He is compelled.

 

Deuteronomy 18 will get you suspended from RCG these days if you ask your minister about it, but how interesting that Dave sometimes "coincidentally" mirrors God's word.

 

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 - But the prophet, which  shall presume  to speak  a word  in My name,  which  I have not  commanded  him to speak,  or that  shall speak  in the name  of other  gods,  even that  prophet  shall die. And if thou say  in thine heart,  How  shall we know  the word  which  the LORD  hath not  spoken?  When  a prophet speaketh  in the name  of the LORD,  if the thing  follow  not,  nor  come to pass,  that  is the thing  which  the LORD  hath not  spoken,  the prophet  hath spoken  it presumptuously:  thou shalt not  be afraid  of  him.

 

The biggest presumption by David C. Pack is that he is right and that God is leading him. The members of RCG are also guilty of the same thing.

 

David C. Pack is a biblical fraud, and God is not leading him. If He were, Dave would have been perfectly accurate the very first time in 2013. At that point, he was disqualified forever. So says the Bible.

 

@ 58:38 …we are hearing the final message on the 15^th.

 

More presumption.

 

@ 58:59 Maybe. See? Maybe. You know it can’t go more than about four and half more days.

 

More presumption.

 

@ 1:00:48 So, to conclude, stay alert. Keep your lights burning every day. Cling to the solar system [of Trumpets] as the backstop of Elul 20. Ya have to have 10-days. Can’t go under that, or it means it’s another year away…There are cases for each of the next few days leading up to Thursday, which is the ultimate backstop before we must go another year which, to me, is unthinkable.

 

Lesson not learned. Does not compute. Presumption to be continued.

 

When it comes to Bible prophecy, David C. Pack talks up a pretty good game, but when push comes to shove, the man just cannot deliver.

 

History proves that.

 

Elul 20 is September 16, which begins at sunset on Thursday night.

 

The circus is not leaving town any time soon.

 

 

Speaking of the circus,…time to have a little fun.

 

Dave was quizzed on why there was a police vehicle parked at the front gate for Thursday’s UnOpen House. He sang about his plight to the congregation.

Marc Cebrian

See: Presumption Circus

Dave Pack: Are You Unemployed? We Do Not Care, Send Us Some Money

 

From a reader:

A young man with a developmental disability who had previously attended Restored Church of God Services recently received a letter from that organization with four Holy Day Offering envelopes enclosed. The young man in question is very bright and intellectually curious, but he does not currently have a job or any other source of income. He lives with his parents and had expressed an interest (in times past) of attending RCG's Feast of Tabernacles, but no help was forthcoming for that purpose. Indeed, that organization has not offered any help in the direction of relieving this good person's situation/circumstances or for helping him to attend festivals which they teach that he is bound to observe.

I would say that it was just an honest mistake - an oversight on their part, but the young man did actually monitor* the services of a congregation near him! Moreover, RCG had placed his correct name and address on both the letter to him and the enclosed Offering envelopes! Hence, I'm thinking that it would stretch believability to suggest that they didn't know exactly what they were doing. Maybe they thought that the young man could squeeze some money out of parents, family or friends? Maybe they thought he had a little nest egg set aside? I don't know, and I frankly don't care. I do know, however, that it is downright reprehensible to squeeze a young man for money whom they should obviously be helping!

*monitor - not physically present but able to watch on video  

Dave Pack's New Public Relations Nightmare Unfolding In Wadsworth

RCG’s UnOpen House

 

In the 1999 comedy “Office Space," there is a scene in which the two Bobs discover that Milton is still employed, but the records say he was laid off five years prior. Instead of creating a confrontation by letting him know he is no longer an employee, they decide to stop sending him paychecks, and the problem “will just work itself out naturally.”

 

That must be one of Dr. Tim Ranney’s favorite movies because he took the same approach this week. As the P.R. guy of The Restored Church of God, he dis-invited Dawn Blue of How It’s Done and me from the Restored Church of God UnOpen House by deleting our Eventbrite digital tickets the day of the event. Without a courtesy phone call to us. Without a direct email to us. Click shift-delete. “Wow, that could have been awkward,” he must have mused.

 

RCG was proud to announce its “first open house” in nine years since the Headquarters Campus was built in 2013. The timing of this event is interesting since they have made it a tradition of not engaging with the people of Wadsworth. Surely this is not a public relations stunt that would help stop their plummeting reputation.

 

The RCG UnOpen House was held at 4pm on Thursday, September 8.

 

Whopper Alert Near The End

 

As members of the Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce, we received the email invitation from RCG. Dawn Blue registered me and four others with our full names and contact information on August 18. This was no stealth incursion.

 

The automated system generated PDF tickets and sent them via email.

Dawn and I had many discussions about this event over the next three weeks. We were not going to confront anyone. We were not going to cause a scene. We were not going to quiz David C. Pack about his new $500,000 trimmed lawn. Nope. We only wanted to watch and listen.

 

I prepped her in advance, "If RCG reaches out to you regarding our intent, just tell them, 'We will be as harmless as doves.' That is Bible-speak, and they will understand."

 

Dawn wanted to take the tour because her curiosity was killing her. Trust me, the HQ Campus is beautiful. The Hall of Administration (plenty of empty space). The Media Center Studio (retired). The Grand Garden. The lakes. The barn and horses. The landscaping is exceptional…and I do not say that facetiously. I enjoyed my time walking the Campus while I was employed there.

 

Dawn Blue and I would have done nothing to bring dishonor to the Chamber of Commerce or our fellow members. If we had “acted up” at the event, we would have been seen as “the bad guys” after all and brought shame to the Wadsworth community.

 

As time rolled toward the September 8 event, I wondered if we would get a phone call to find out why we wanted to go. Perhaps an email once they saw our names on the guest list. But instead, nothing.

 

Dawn and I attended the Chamber of Commerce luncheon one week before the UnOpen House. Dr. Tim Ranney and Edward L. Winkfield were there. I even said hello to Dr. Ranney on his way to the coffee. Ed and I never made eye contact. At this point, they knew we were Chamber members if they did not before.

 

Surely we would get a rejection now. But more silence and inaction from RCG.

 

Then I wondered, are they so incompetent that nobody checked the names on the guest list? Or perhaps they are having week-long meetings to discuss what to do by weighing the pros and cons of rejecting us.

 

Whatever decision was made, it had to be a thumbs up or thumbs down by Caesar himself. No way Brad would make that call on his own. So, Dave knew we registered. I hoped he would see it as a test of wills and let me in just to see if I had the spine to show up.

 

Oh, I was going to show up, Dave. I had the PDF ticket on my phone.

Dawn was equally excited as I was. Two days before the event, we received an email reminder. Wow, they are really going to let this happen. Or will they act like cowards and cancel us at the last minute? Ha.

 

Here is how we learned about being dis-invited by the brave professionals at The Restored Church of God that day.·   RCG deletes our tickets from Eventbrite without informing us.

·   Dr. Tim Ranney calls the Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce to extend the courtesy of letting them know Dawn and I were no longer invited. I am a disgruntled employee.

·   This kind and thoughtful lady at the Chamber office exercises “brotherly love” by calling Dawn to “make sure she knew” that we were no longer invited. Dawn did not know. (If it was not for this caring lady taking time out of her busy day to do Dr. Ranney’s job, Dawn and I would have walked up to the front gate to attend. That would have been interesting.)

·   Dr. Tim Ranney tells the Chamber that an email was sent to Dawn and me. It was not. We never received any notification from Eventbrite, and he chose to not let us know directly. Instead, he lets the system "just work itself out naturally." Classy move.

·   Dawn calls me, and I confirm that I have no notifications. I went to the Eventbrite website, and my digital ticket was gone, and the event was no longer on my calendar.

·   I call RCG and leave Dr. Tim Ranney a voicemail message asking for clarification.essage asking for clarification.

Around 2pm, he called me back. I have never heard the man speak in such a curt tone. This was not the same man I had shared a smile with the week before. It made me wonder if Brad was sitting next to him to ensure he exuded strength and authority.

He explained an email went out to Dawn and me. I explained it did not.

All my questions were answered the same way, “We’re not going to get into that today.” 

“When can we get into it if it’s not today?”

“Not today. Let me be clear. I just don't want you to misunderstand. You’re not invited.”

The exchange was brief.

 "Marc, we're done talking. You wanted clarification, and I gave you that. I'm not going to give you any more information today. We're too busy to even start a discussion.”

Since I am very aware that Headquarters “monitors” everything I publish online, here are some open questions for Dr. Tim Ranney:

·  Why not ask me at the luncheon last week what our interest was?

·  Why not call Dawn to ask her if she would respectfully conduct herself?

·  Why not write to let me know there were concerns about me attending?

·  Why wait until the “last minute” to address this?

·  Why did you choose to not engage either one of us directly via email or phone call?

·  How are you not embarrassed to leave the responsibility of notifying us to the Chamber of Commerce?

·  How are you not ashamed of having someone else do your job?

·  Why tell the Chamber of Commerce that an email was sent to Dawn Blue and me when you did not bother to confirm that it was actually true?

Does anyone want to wager on the odds of me getting my answers? I am available via phone or email, Dr. Ranney.

 

By trying to stop the bleeding of one P.R. nightmare, RCG steps into another.

When God’s protection is just not enough, the Wadsworth P.D. are available.

Good grief, Charlie Brown.

After having the front gate closed for nine years and finally inviting some of the folks in the Wadsworth Community to come onto the Campus and experience the joys of a Christian Church, all guests were welcomed by an armed security guard.

I went shopping at the Giant Eagle across the street, and the first thing I saw as I pulled into the parking lot was a Wadsworth Police vehicle parked at the RCG front gate. My jaw dropped.

I am no public relations expert, but that makes for some awkward, piss-poor optics. And I just had to take a picture. I did not dare to come near the edge of the Giant Eagle property lest I be accused of stalking them or trespassing on the Campus.

Thanks to the wise discernment of RCG leadership, rumor has become a reality.

RCG does have armed security guarding the Campus.

How is that for a welcoming sight?

Perhaps some kook left a burning paper bag of poop on Dave’s doorstep the night before. Everyone was on high alert. 

Having a police officer guarding the front gate is more sound for repelling antichrists than holding a crucifix and garlic, shouting, "The power of Wadsworth compels you. The power of Wadsworth compels you.”

After all, what else could they do? Rely on God? Oh, come on. That sounds great from the lectern but let’s be reasonable.

Since I did not make it through the gate, I was unsure if there were x-ray machines inside the front door of the Hall of Administration. People are used to being frisked at the airport, so if a "minister" asked them to take off their shoes as they entered, it would be no surprise. 

Giant Eagle is a high-traffic area, and I knew someone in the community would post this on Facebook. My fellow neighbors did not disappoint.

See. Dawn Blue and I are not the only sources of discomfort for Dave and the enablers on the third floor. I greatly appreciate the people of Wadsworth who reach out unsolicited to provide information. The eyes and ears are everywhere. – ExRCGwebsite@gmail.com

The last point speaks to RCG’s truthfulness as an organization. 

You cannot take Pastor General David C. Pack at his word. Not with the little things and certainly not with the big things.

Tonight at sunset is the beginning of Elul 15, when Jesus Christ is scheduled to return and give salvation to the members of RCG. According to Dave. I am also scheduled for the Lake of Fire, but if I am still here on Monday, you can paint me unsurprised.

RCG’s UnOpen House is a layered title.

Calling a private, public relations event ONLY for vendors and (some) members of the Chamber of Commerce an “open house” is another RCG distortion.

This event was NOT an open house. Is that just my opinion? Let us consult the dictionary.

open house (Merriam-Webster)

1: ready and usually informal hospitality or entertainment for all comers

2: a house or apartment open for inspection, especially by prospective buyers or tenants

open house (Bing / Google)

1: a place or situation in which all visitors are welcome

2: a day when members of the public are invited to visit a place or institution, especially one to which they do not normally have access.

So, the wicked antichrist serpent attacks The Restored Church of God with facts. Again.

Even the dictionary knows this stunt was not an “open house.” Why is it so challenging for a Christian Church to be truthful? Look at the leadership, and the answer “will just work itself out naturally.”

 

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I wanted to go to the RCG UnOpen House to show David C. Pack that I am not afraid of him.

Having armed police at the front gate tells everyone that David C. Pack is afraid of me.

 

Even though false prophetic teachings and fear-driven manipulation are all serious topics, there is still room to have a little fun once in a while,

Revive is an iPhone application that lets you deep-fake still pictures with singing and talking. You can try it for free. Tears of joy shall flow forth.

Marc Cebrian

See: RCG’s UnOpen House