Friday, April 25, 2014

Bob Thiel: Is He Lying About The Number of Congregations That Belong To His Personality Cult?



Are we to really believe that Bob Thiel's claim to have gathered together a lot of African churches that are bringing in over 300 members to his ranks?  Almost all who have read his side of the story immediately smelled a rat. Given that he lied about being ordained and set apart to start his own personality cult I guess we should not assume he would fudge the numbers in order to make himself look bigger than he really is. Thiel has set himself up to be the laughing stock of the Churches of God.    Thiel has knocked Ron Weinland off of that pedestal now.

It is a well known fact that African "churches" will claim allegiance to the highest bidder. This is not only true in the Churches of God but also in evangelical and other Protestant churches operating in that region.

African ministers are taking in money from all directions and becoming wealthy while their members are dirt poor.

In March this year, David Oyedepo, a Nigerian cleric generally believed to be Africa’s wealthiest gospel preacher, acquired a Gulfstream V jet for US$30 million. Oyedepo, who presides over the Winners Chapel, one of Africa’s largest churches, now owns a private collection of four aircraft. In addition to his latest acquisition, he previously owned two Gulfstream planes and a Bombardier Challenger Aircraft. He is also reportedly creating a private hanger to accommodate his flying toys.

Oyedepo is not the only Nigerian clergyman to own a jet. Pastor Enoch Adeboye, the revered overseer of Nigeria’s largest congregation, The Redeemed Christian Church of God, is also a proud jet owner. In March 2009, the great man of God spent $30 million on a Gulfstream jet amidst widespread criticism. Pastor Sam Adeyemi, another cleric and founder of the Daystar Christian center, a flourishing Pentecostal congregation which repeatedly preaches financial prosperity, is also a jet owner.

It’s not cheap to own a private jet. On average, it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to maintain a personal plane. The majority of Nigerians frown at such flagrant displays of opulence, particularly on the path of their clergymen, given that 60% of Nigerians still live below the poverty line.

From a reader here:


...the idea that Bob Thiel "has" these congregations in the first place is ignoring the realities and economies of the situation:

1) What can Bob possibly do for them that they can't do for themselves already? If these "congregations" are already organized and functioning, why would they need a Bob Thiel? Why would they let Bob waltz in, take them over, and then start calling the shots? Tinkering with their doctrines? Each of these congregations already has it's own belief structures and hierarchies of bigshots. Bigshots don't go out looking for bigger-shots to submit to unless there's something in it for them, like subsidies and/or a chance to extend their influence by building a bigger empire in their own backyard. I would be very surprised if Bob could do anything else for the church bigshots in Africa. He certainly can do nothing for the average member of these congregations.

2) What can the Africans do for Bob? The African bigshots aren't the only ones trying to build bigger empires for themselves. Bob wants to show up LCG by building a bigger empire than Uncle Rod. It's unlikely he'll succeed, but he's gonna give it the old college try. Since it's unlikely he's going to convince these far-flung pre-existing congregations to see things his way doctrinally or prophetically, or allow Bob to re-brand them as CCOG, the only thing these groups are going to allow Bob to do is send them his money. What does Bob get in return for his money? The right to boast of a bigger empire? From a desperate point of view, perhaps. In a perfect world, his money would buy a better safety net for the members of these congregations living on the edge. In reality, we don't live in that world, do we?

3) Does Bob have enough money to afford to be scammed by 20 congregations at once? If anybody is being "had" it's Bob, not the street-smart Africans whose cultures often support very different ideas about "right" and "wrong" that are foreign and unexpected to the simple uninitiated American like Bob. Often their take on Christianity is also foreign with the same words meaning very different things. But I guess I could say similar things about narcissist and sociopathic Christian leaders here in the US. The successful ones tend to be just as street-smart, the less successful ones, like Bob, tend to be naïve blobs of neediness and egotism. Who's zoomin' who? Take another look and tell me, Bobby.

4) Bob is trying to play church Monopoly. Bob cannot acquire and "have" new congregations at the drop of a hat like hotels on Baltic Avenue. Congregations that Bob did not build through his own influence are congregations he can never "have" regardless of what price he pays to buy them. They'll never follow him or believe him, though they might take his money. But Bob's US following is too small to afford to buy many other properties or put houses or hotels on them. We all know this intuitively and discount Bob's boasting, don't we?

Tuesday, April 22, 2014

Eric King, The Most Attacked Sabbath Keeper On The Internet Says: "I Am NOT A Polygamist!"



It appears that the Seventh Day Adventists and Roman Catholics have joined camp together in order to discredit Eric King and and his "ministry.  They are doing this because they tremble in fear at the godly words coming out of King's mouth. 

He has this to say tonight:


NOTE to ALL who visit!

Unfortunately there are many people who attack this ministry and are spreading lies. The most recent satanic liars are accusing us of polygamy! This is NOT TRUE! The founder of this ministry, E.W.King is single for the sake of the gospel. His only wife died three years ago.

Thank you for not listening to the sick liars. Thank you for checking into what we really teach and believe, the Kingdom of God!

Why he is hated by the SDA's and the Roman Catholics:

Eric William King is the most attacked Sabbath keeper on the internet. The Roam Catholics hate him for exposing their false doctrines and calling the pope anti-Christ and the Seventh day Adventists hate him because he exposes their false harlot prophetess!

Also, other COG groups hate Eric because they ignore the true marriage doctrine. If they accepted what Eric taught they would realize that their marriages are adulterous relationships!

Stephen Gilbreath: Three Minutes of the Weirdest and Silliest COG Broadcasting Ever Seen



Does Stephen Gilbreath have one of the weirdest COG "broadcasts" ever to be presented?  
Even Bob Thiel ranks below this guy.

Watch the first three minutes for the most embarrassing stupid facial expressions and as he loses his train of thought several times.  Anyone that gives money to this numbnut deserves to be defrauded!

Monday, April 21, 2014

Tithe Money: "A false prophet needs money to buy things and live a lifestyle of the rich and famous. A child needs it because it is your duty to provide a life better than you had."



There was a great comment on the False Prophet Ron Weinland: Don't Drink the Flavor Aid site on Sunday. The blog has several people commenting who have left Roin Weinland's cult.  This person has a great remedy on what to do with your money if you decided to tithe or give.

I feel so peaceful and happy when a former COG member says they will no longer allow another human being to dictate how they shall follow, or believe in God. If you are going to be “religious”, follow the written words of Jesus, because those plain English words do not change and cannot be twisted to mean anything other than what is written in black and white. Jesus summarized the entire Bible into three words: Love thy neighbor. That means be nice to others. You don’t have to give money or time to ANYONE. All you have to do is be a good person. You don’t have to PROVE that you are a good person, just be a good person whenever you can. Most especially to your loved ones because if you give something to someone that should have been given to a wife or child or neighbor just to show that you are a ” holy” person, then you are actually being evil because that money should have gone to someone who needs it instead of a false prophet. A false prophet needs money to buy things and live a lifestyle of the rich and famous. A child needs it because it is your duty to provide a life better than you had.

Not just the COGs, but ALL so called “churches” should be concerned with doing good instead of doing the “work”, because the “work” has already been done almost 2000 years ago and is manifest by the written words that came out of Jesus’ mouth and anyone can read it for themselves and understand it without a con artist “explaining” it because they could never understand it for themselves without an enlightened one telling them what it really means. All preachers lead us away from the New Testament by chaining us to the Old Testament with lies. You have absolutely no reason to read the Old Testament when you have any one of the 4 gospels to read and discover that you are free to be a good person without jumping through hoops.

Any person that preaches the word of God and asks or expects money is a con artist that does not believe in God. If you have a need to give away 10% of your money, don’t give it to a preacher, give it to a food bank, or a fund for the family 2 blocks away that lost their home in a fire, or a relative that was laid off, or a homeless soup kitchen, or some good cause you can see with your own eyes close to home. But don’t give to a con artist who needs it to keep the work going, or an organization that will feed the poor 12,000 miles away. There are plenty of people in need very close to our own homes. We don’t need to give our money to whoever puts on the best show. And we definitely don’t need to let another person who calls himself a preacher to direct every aspect of our lives and finances.