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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
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One key aspect of Dave Pack is his unwavering faith and confidence in his god to provide him with accurate insight, despite his repeated failures to predict the correct date of Christ’s return over many years. He confidently declares specific dates for Jesus’ arrival, undeterred by others' opinions of his precise predictions.
In contrast, consider one of the most timid self-proclaimed prophets in the church today—a deluded individual who lacks the courage to trust that his god will grant him clear words or bold forecasts. Due to his hesitancy and fear, he resorts to vague terms like "maybe," "possibly," "might be," and "could be." This allows him to deflect criticism and gaslight others whenever his falsehoods are exposed, claiming he never made definite predictions.
The ongoing bombing of Israel in Iran and its retaliation is a dream scenario for Bwana Bob and other fervent, self-appointed prophets in the Church of God.
Here are the latest lies of the Great Bwana Bob Thiel:
In a post last week (see Israel attacks Iran–might Iran retaliate and cause ‘great damage’ to Jerusalem as prophesied in Isaiah 22:6-8?), I pointed to this matter as possibly tying in with the return of Jesus in 2032.
Why?
There are several scriptural reasons, but they are contingent on, or at least possibly tied to, the following:
If the last days that the Apostles Peter (Acts 2:14-17) and Paul (Hebrews 1:1-2) told of only refer to days 5 and 6 of seven one thousand year days (they possibly could include the latter decade of day 4) and
If Jesus was killed and resurrected in 31 A.D. and
If there is a precise and literal 6000/7000 year plan and
If the 6000 years ends after the 2 1/2 year great tribulation and before the start of the one year ‘day of the Lord’ (Isaiah 34:8) –then that would seem to be the year 2031–and
If the current (or related soon) conflict results in “great damage” to “the city of David” in the fulfillment of Isaiah 22:6-8 and
If that results in a peace deal with some type of a seven-year component and
If that part of the deal is the prophesied one which becomes confirmed by a “prince” (Daniel 9:26-27) in 2025, then
We would expect the Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:21-22) to start about 3 1/2 years afterwards–which is when the deal is broken and the abomination of desolation will be set up (Matthew 24:17; Daniel (9:27; 11:31) and then
Jesus would return about 3 1/2 years later, which presuming item 7 occurs, would be in 2032 (the year 2025 plus 7).
President Elliott began by expressing some personal thoughts on the honor of being given this opportunity to serve in this role. In his address, he quoted Ephesians 1:15-23; Matthew 28:19-20; and John 17:20-26. Mr. Elliott emphasized the true head of the Church (Jesus Christ) and where we fit in. He noted that we must let Him lead this Church, and we are to focus on the work He gives us. He also talked about the need to be at one with God, Jesus Christ and each other.
Mr. Elliott then mentioned a churchwide fast that will take place on Friday, May 30. He encouraged all to take the time to study, think, forgive, clean our minds, and refocus as we enter the fast, as well as the Sabbath and Pentecost. Mr. Elliott then concluded by saying, “I’m thankful to serve in this capacity and appreciate the prayers.”
Once more, LCG members are found not living up to the standards the church expects from them. All-powerful Satan continues to mess with their lives.
Stay Focused on Our Mission: History records that mankind and God’s chosen people have drifted off course again and again—due to Satan’s deceptive influence. Adam and Eve made wrong choices that sent human societies off in a wrong direction (Genesis 3). Ancient Israel turned from God and suffered serious consequences. Today, modern Israelite nations are heading down the same path. Jesus commissioned His disciples to preach the Gospel (Mark 1:14–15; 16:15), warn the world of the consequences of sin, and announce the signs of His return (Matthew 24). The mission of God’s Church also involves preparing a people to reign with Jesus Christ in the coming Kingdom of God (Luke 1:17). To qualify for this exciting reward, we must avoid being distracted by the trials, temptations, and cares of this world (Matthew 13:18–23). Let’s stay focused on our God-given mission. Have a profitable Sabbath, Douglas S. Winnail
I just can't win! The sun is shining brightly here in California, and I've gone and caused our crybaby prophet to pitch another hissy fit over a post from a year ago or more. Never has the church had a more delicate and easily offended self-appointed prophet than we have in the Great Bwana Bob Thiel! Sheesh! Grow a pair!
The Delicate Milquetoast writes:
Last year, I saw the following headline from Gary Leonard at the anti-Church of God, Banned by HWA website:
Our milquetoast prophet deceitfully fails to go on and add why he was really upset. There was a video by a pro-HWA group that debunked Bob Thiel claim that he is a prophet when HWA blatantly says there are NO prophets in the church today, but there are a LOT of false prophets!
Holy milquetoast prophet, Batman! Banned has done it again! That Gary is such a BAD person! Stop picking on Bob, you agent of Satan!
Apparently, God's greatest gift to the Church of God popped his self-righteous cork big time over the video produced by a pro-Herbert Armstrong site that took the Great Bwana Bob and other self-appointed COG prophets to the woodshed and gave them all a royal Philadelphian spanking.
This video completely humiliates Bob's claims and correctly points out that since the Bible is complete, there is no need for prophets. The Great Milquetoast Self-Appointed Prophet goes on to sanctimoniously to state this:
Of course, the criteria for a prophet comes from the word of God, the Bible, and not statements from the late Pastor General of the old Radio/Worldwide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong.
You can see exactly why no Church of God ever chose to ordain the rebellious anti-government Bob Thiel! Herbert would have kicked Bob's sanctimonious little ass to the curb so fast his big fat Bible would not have had time to hit the ground as he flew through the air.
The Great Milquetoast Bwana then says this while calling out Herbert as being wrong, again. Bob does this in order to stop up his illegitimate self-appointment as a church leader and a prophet.
Now, yes, Herbert W. Armstrong at least once declared that there were no prophets in WCG and no doctrinal need for them. Furthermore, here is what he said in a Bible Study on 1 Corinthians on July 18, 1980:
THE CHURCH IS FOUNDED ON THE APOSTLES AND THE PROPHETS
Paul is speaking to the Church. Now the Church of God was raised up primarily for two purposes: that God could call to lead the Church, apostles, the Church is founded on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, the prophets of the Old Testament; because no prophet in the New Testament has anything to do with infusing doctrine into the Church or with an administrative position in the Work of the Church. No prophet had anything to do with any of that; so, the prophets mean, the prophets of the Old Testament. They did not preach to Israel. Israel rejected their writings, ancient Israel. The writings of the prophets, beginning with Isaiah and even other prophets – no you could say with Moses for that matter, and with David in the Psalms. All were for the New Testament Church, believe it or not, and yet today they want to say that we are a New Testament Church; and we don’t want anything to do with that Old Testament.
Let me tell you this is the book of God. Now the Old Testament Church couldn’t proclaim the gospel. The Old Testament Church did not have the Holy Spirit, that’s true; but the prophets did and they were writing for the doctrines of the Church and much of Church doctrine comes from the writings of the prophets; Christ being the chief cornerstone and the Head of the Church. Now just keep that in the background as we begin to read what Paul is writing to one of the Churches.
The bolded portion above is not biblically correct. The Apostle Paul was a prophet and so seemingly was the evangelist Timothy. So those prophets did have administrative as well as doctrinal responsibilities.
Because the milquetoast prophet self-appointed himself as a church leader, he therefore has administrative and doctrinal responsibilities which PROVES he is a true prophet. Once a liar, always a liar.
Milquetoast Bob then runs to Aaron Dean to find legitimacy.
Furthermore, I did discuss Herbert W. Armstrong’s “no prophet” position with his long time aide, Aaron Dean (who HWA also ordained). Aaron Dean basically told me that Herbert W. Armstrong was annoyed by various ones who contacted him claiming to be a prophet and he wanted people to stop doing that. However, Aaron Dean also said that Herbert W. Armstrong was not intending to teach that there would be no more prophets or that they would not have a role in the church as we got closer to the end.
Milquetoast Bob goes on to thump his puny little chest:
I have never been a false prophet and urge all to check out what I have taught with the Bible.
Because I am an imperfect human being and one may not agree with all of my views does NOT make me a false prophet.
The Great Bwana is like all of the other milquetoast false prophets in the church today. As long as they couch statements with "could be, may be, might be, possibly be's" then their puny little asses are off the hook. They aren't! Every single self-appointed Church of God prophet has been and currently are liars! That is a simple fact that CANNOT be refuted!
A true prophet would not need to be from a major theological institution, have the most magnanimous personality, or have a large or impressive Church, but would be the type willing to meet in members’ homes. He also does not have to have had a ministerial background. Or does the prophet even, like apparently the Apostle Paul per 2 Corinthians 10:10 and 11:6 or Moses per Exodus 4:10 or Jeremiah per Jeremiah 1:6, need to be a great speaker. God chooses who His prophets are.
God certainly chooses who his prophets are, but you are NOT one. That is a fact and one more thing that CANNOT be refuted!
Milquetoast Bob then continues to dig the hole deeper with his asinine reasoning:
A true prophet is under God’s authority. A true New Testament prophet has had hands laid upon him/her and received special anointing under God’s inspiration. You can not anoint yourself nor come up with doctrine that contradicts the Bible (cf. Revelation 22:18-19) like at least three self-declared, supposed, COG “prophets” (Gerald Flurry, William Dankenbring, and Ronald Weinland) and false predictors (like Harold Camping) have falsely done. God’s prophets are true to the Bible–“Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35).
It should be understood that although some of the prophets in the Hebrew scriptures did miracles, and some of the apostles in the Greek scriptures were also prophets, not all ever did (e.g. John 10:41).
But God sometimes does things more quietly. For example, although Elijah was looking for some dramatic sign (1 Kings 19:11-13), instead God used ”a still small voice” (1 Kings 19:12). Although Elijah accepted that God worked that way (1 Kings 19:13-18), most of the Laodiceans do not. Dreams would be consistent with a “still small voice.”
Dreams after a bad night of sushi is not god inspired.
Milquetoast Bob's anger is not only directed towards little ol'me, he still has a HUGE burr up his butt with Rod Meredith.
Unlike Herbert W. Armstrong who restored truths to the Philadelphia era, and Bob Thiel who added more details to those truths, etc. Dr. Meredith did not do that. Nor did he fulfill the prophetic office. Nor has anyone currently in LCG done so. Yet, Dr. Meredith wrote that someone had to.On October 3, 2008, Dr. Meredith (then Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God) called me and said to me, “God may consider you to be a prophet.” It was Dr. Meredith who first brought up the topic about Bob Thiel being a prophet.
Dr. Meredith must have brought it up again as an email I sent him on November 16, 2008 stated, “Now, you have mentioned to me a couple of times that God may regard me as a prophet. And, of course, it was you and not I that first brought that subject up.”
In late January/early February 2009, Dr. Meredith told me over the telephone that if he (Dr. Meredith) raised his title to the office of apostle, he was considering ordaining me (Bob Thiel) as a prophet. He apparently was unwilling to do the ordination without him being above me. But, of course, his position should not have been relevant–but it was to him.
On February 4, 2009, Dr. Meredith told me over the telephone, “You have an in-depth understanding of prophecy and details of church history. You could be a prophet–that may be what God will have you do.” He also asked me to pray then that he would live another 7-15 years then–I prayed and he did (he died on May 18, 2017–just a little over 8 years later).
In the Summer of 2009, Dibar Apartian told me that Dr. Meredith had been stating in top level meetings that Bob Thiel may be a prophet. Around this time, I had a prophetic dream related to Dr. Meredith.
Top people in the Living Church of God have said that Rod Meredith NEVER said Bob was a prophet! Rod Meredith rebuked Bob many times over.
Anyway, no, HWA’s word do not make mincemeat of my prophetic role. Herbert W. Armstrong believed that there would be future prophets, Aaron Dean confirmed that, Roderick C. Meredith said that God may consider me to be one, and that had the concurrence of Richard Ames (who HWA ordained) and Dr. Douglas Winnail (who had some type of ordination when HWA was alive).
Despite improper accusations from various ones on the internet that I am some type of a false prophet, to the best of my knowledge I have never once posted a false prediction (and I do try to indicate when something is speculation), nor do those critics actually post any “false” predictions that I supposedly made and provide proof that even one was false. Thus, those who love the truth will not listen to their false dismissals.
Note that Bob is still lying when he tries to claim Gaylyn Bonjour's blessing set him apart to start a new church, be a priest, etc, things with Bonjour had NO intention of happening.
This is also consistent with the following from the Apostle Paul:
14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. (1 Timothy 4:14, NKJV)
14 Do not be careless about the gifts with which you are endowed, which were conferred on you through a divine revelation when the hands of the elders were placed upon you. (1 Timothy 4:14, Weymouth)
14 Make use of that grace in you, which was given to you by the word of the prophets, when the rulers of the church put their hands on you. (1 Timothy 4:14, BBE)
6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. (2 Timothy 1:6, NKJV)
The Radio Church of God reported:
God gives special gifts — special powers of His Spirit — to those who are set apart by the laying on of hands. Remember that it was by the laying on of hands that Timothy received the added ability, called “prophecy” by the King James translators. (Ellis WH. Why We Have the Laying on of Hands Ceremony. Good News Magazine April-May 1965)
Furthermore, I did not anoint myself– LCG minister Gaylyn Bonjour anointed me of December 15, 2011 with oil and prayed I would receive a double-portion of God’s Spirit (which he said was reminiscent of the passing of the mantle)–hence I am not self-ordained, but am God-ordained.
There you have it! Bow down at the feet of the Doubly Blessed, Self-Appointed, Illegitimately Ordained Holy Milquetoast Bob. He be da man!
