A Reader Asks About HQ Lists...

A reader here asks:

Does anyone not know of the strategic constant STALKING and assults of a.c./church members and the SECRET "LIST"at headquarters?
(only a few employees of Ambassador College knew about this ominous list - some ministers at headquarters didn't even know about it). It was TOP SECRET.
Wives of some of the men involved were terrified and torn because they would be disfellowshipped if the existence of a TARGET "list" was leaked. Lots of court cases in the church would be lost. No one talked about it for fear.

I was told. I was on the list. An employee reported me based on a misunderstanding and his wife was forbidden to speak to me, but she bawled when she told me about the list because it had cause serious damage and trauma to her friend, who had been driven nearly insane by the tactics used to carry out the PURPOSE of the list - by what they would do to people on the list. She almost divorced her husband for reporting me and being apart of the sadistic plan.

At the time, she couldn't explain what the list had in store for me and that once on the list, you can never come off. MCNAIR'S LAW. I just didn't understand what being on a harmless list meant. It meant being spiritual murdered by a select chosen group who knew about the list; it meant insanity; it meant years of trying to make sense of things that were beyond reason.

It meant that people you loved deeply, abandoned you and were forbidden to speak to you even though you were not disfellow-shipped and had no complait against you ever mentioned by a minister.

It was all subversive since they thought you were a devil. Other people were ordered to pretend to be your friend in order to report on you and get you kicked out of the church. They needed dirt to get rid of you and legally disfellowship you, and if they couldn't find the dirt they'd not give up for years, eventually, RAYMOND F. MCNAIR and GREG ALBREIGHT were going to get you.

Nice beautiful people on the list were asummed to be "progressive" and therefore, a threat. They were targeted with ungodly psychotic abuse until the person broke, gave up from the rattled nerves of the dark vicious constant hatred they saw in the people attacking them - (almost all complete strangers just walking up to me, for example, and ripping me apart and NEVER not once (Mr. Helge at the legal department advised them) Never would they tell me why, no accussaton was ever leveled at me other than you are Satanic. (I have some very impressive intelligent people who laugh at that.)

These people recruited to carry out the purpose of the list were generally people who befriended you falsely and creepily and clung to you, and the deception was grotesque sometimes. Realy creepy stories to tell.

Their paranoid psychosis convinced them there were devils everywhere

Even Tkatch had a daily spy, Merry Noel Knowlton - ask her, she'd be glad to tell.

She became Catholic later so she could go to confession and get free psychiatric relief from her dark conscience. Other partici-pants in the various schemes had manifestations of guilt they will have to live with for attempting to destroy so many people they had no knowlege of wrong-doing.

MCNAIR'S fear of being replaced by a more sane "liberal" authority had Mr. Helge's legal department( I knew one of their employees)helped them drive people out of the church legally by doing things to avoid some of their many lawsuits i.e. getting students to sign special wavers for "a special project" at the 1-800 number at "Watts line" (that I don't have time to detail, but I was one of their victims and it nauseats me)

Another Living Church of God Horror Story

This is from one of the public Facebook pages for WCG survivors.  Another sad story of lives being destroyed by LCG:

My ex-wife joined LCG two years ago in Greenville SC, then at Braselton, GA, now Tallahassee...Since then I have been alienated from my children, often denied visitation, and denied communication with them. The kids started acting differently...vague answers, dismissal and redirection when questioned, unemotional and sometimes trance-like. I don't know how much of this can be traced to the church, but my ex is now facing contempt of court charges and a custody suit. My attorney is very interested in hearing similar stories of isolationism practiced in LCG, preferably in th Ga/SC area. He also asked me what the major tenets of this religion are.....I have read the restored truths and the official website blurbs, but the wording is too wordy...it seems difficult to pinpoint exactly what are the practices and beliefs of the LCG. Certainly the survivor stories I read mention practices and beliefs that I can't find in print. Can someone fill me in on the "real" practices and beliefs of the LCG?

 

Thank you to all of you for the resources and support. Admittedly, the amount of information available is nearly overwhelming, but I have been studying this church for two years now, so I have a general knowledge of its works and I expect to study and learn more in the coming months... Martin, as for not knocking the "wisdom of the world"- believe me I don't. Me and the rest of my family know that "something fishy is going on here". Prior to court intervention my son was kept from me for two years, and it was beginning to start with my daughter as well...I didn't get to see her for a year and a half. I was shocked when my nine year old son called me and started telling me he didn't want to see me anymore- even more shocked when I heard the indoctrinational phrases coming from his mouth...he is intelligent, but it is obvious he's just repeating what he has heard. My kids are pushed to develop their "own" opinion about me- the ex forced the nine year old to tell me that he didn't want to have summer visitation with me- but I believe the kids are just saying what they are told to say.

The Plain Truth About Bacon

 

shamelessly swiped from the Facebook page:

Worldwide Church of God I can't Wait For Sundown and Other WCG Musings

The Painful Truth Asks About Church of God Leaders: : "Just How Can We Trust Them?"

The Painful Truth Blog has an entry today on "Just How Can We Trust Them?".  Credibility seems to have always been a big issue in the Churches of God down through the decades.  We claimed to have the only revealed truth on earth.  Yet myriads of pastors and evangelists have lied and blasphemed over the decades with one stupid utterance after another.  Thousands of failed prophecies, abhorrent biblical interpretations, and despicable treatment of members, all done by "great" shepherds of the chruch.  Today the Churches of God are filled with countless official Apostles and prophets, all claiming they are the final truth.  Why after decades of this silliness do members still sit there week after week soaking up the drivel from Pack, Weinland, Flurry and others?  Check out this inquiring post on the Painful Truth blog and join in the discussion!

Good question. How do you place your trust in men who seem to never do what is right? Men who serve the interest of themselves first and the interests of the member last?


Adrian from Australia wrote with these questions in mind.

•        The church claimed to be the church of brotherly love. My wife often said to me that if that’s what the church people are like then she didn’t want to be a part of the 1000 year reign with them. I agreed. I wondered how come my own family who I was told to reject as worldly, were always kind to us despite us not giving birthday presents to them and having Christmas etc. Despite the bible saying that if you see your brother in need and you do nothing about it how can God’s love dwell in a person. My physical family always helped us materially, church members didn’t ever.  Of course I forgot about all that free advice about how bad you were from members,  but I don’t think that qualifies as helpful. The bible says by their fruit you shall know them. It bothered me that they claimed to have brotherly love.

Byker Bob on "Bogus Authority"

Today's apparent theme of postings has centered around of bogus teachings and false authority of the Churches of God through the decades. Here is a comment from Byker Bob from a thread on an earlier post:

When Jesus didn't return as was vigorously promised and then furiously backpedalled upon back in 1975, I dumped the whole sorry mess of garbage. However, having been taught so much as fact, I still thought that much of the ancient history we were taught about paganism, pagan figures, and the infection of Christianity by these influences was basically true.

I had shelved a lot of this stuff, but when I began to revisit it due to many of the questions and actually accurate information presented on the internet, I was totally blown away by the nearly complete bogussness of the supporting materials with which we were presented. When you do your own due diligence, attempt to "prove all things", and carefully check history, you become aware that we were presented with a lying testimony, which is yet another huge reason why Armstrongism is totally NOT "God's true church"

People in the ACOG congregations would probably be disfellowshipped for presenting real facts that contradict the ACOG version, which is why ignorant people like David Pack continue to get away with teaching blatant inaccuracies and outright lies. It's seen as being an act of rebelliousness to even want to research all of this material on one's own, let alone to have a "voice" to set the facts straight. Basically, to do so is to doubt or want to contadict "God's Apostle". So, the wall is indeed quite thick and very high!

Purely and simply, Armstrongism is "religion". It's most certainly not an enlightened path leading to a personal relationship with God.

BB