"Make no mistake, David C Pack's followers see him as extremely humble!"

From a reader here:

I think we see what Pack is doing (has been doing for a while). It's the way he's manipulating the RCG members who are already fully brainwashed to believe everything he's saying, but then there are some who aren't completely there yet so he's weeding them out. 

He's presenting himself as being as surprised as anyone to discover these things and his followers are totally swallowing it. These individuals are already drawn so deep into the lie as to have the response, "I know Mr. Pack is Elijah we just have to let him discover it on his own." Then any other claim of Pack's would follow suit, such as being one of the witnesses (if that would be greater than Elijah). 

For them these sermons are Pack's way of working through the process of discovering his destiny, and they only need the slightest nod to believe whatever he wants them to believe. All Pack has to do for these people is say "that's interesting" or "this is big," or ask any leading question and he knows the brainwashed mind will fill in all the blanks. 

They view him as being so humbly intelligent that he is having a hard time seeing himself as whom they already see him as, which is whoever he tells them he is. That sounds like a paradox, but what I mean is he tells them who he really is, and their response would be, "See, I knew it." It's okay if he makes some mistakes, because he's just trying to figure it out. All the talk he does about his own nature, his childhood, his wife, his parents, his school days, etc. only serve to endear the followers to him. They see it as his way of opening up his innermost feelings to them, and they love him for doing it, and they reciprocate. For those who are so won over, Pack is sealing their devotion to him further and further. 

Yes he has pushed the boundary so that some can't take it and have bailed out recently, but that's his way of shaking the tree. Those who remain have allowed themselves to be in prime condition to accept more outrageous claims, all from the point of view that Pack is further coming to understand that he is the chosen one. To hold onto them so tightly there has to be more frontiers to cross, it will never stop with "Ok, we've figured everything out, time to chill." To them, all these proofs and points are his way of having an abundance of caution, and coming to the moment that there cannot be any other conclusion other than for him (and them) to accept his role. 

Make no mistake, Pack's followers see him as extremely humble! 

Those who break free suddenly see him as extremely arrogant, but before that there is not a glimmer of doubt of his humility. All the talk about Mr. Armstrong (Moses) being greater than Elijah is designed to simply feed into this notion that Pack is extremely humble. 

At some point for those who remain there will be no boundary too unbelievable for them, and the few who are left will be willing to follow any command he gives them. They want to be pioneers of the new Kingdom, the chosen few who dine at the table of Christ. They are envious of the early members of brother Herbert's congregation in Oregon, and Pack is nurturing that for all it's worth. 

Many of your commenters have expressed how dumbfounded they are that anyone would stay with Pack, but I think it will get much more extreme. What surprises me is how public Pack is with it, which tells me that he must really believe all of it too. Otherwise perhaps his focus is solely on retaining his own membership, and he actually has no expectation of impacting the world outside RCG, but he needs to inflate the importance of his work in there minds, and bringing all this negative attention helps to accomplish that. 

To that end I suppose providing these transcripts helps him in a way to garner more of the criticisms and attacks that he has predicted. Nonetheless I do feel the transcripts are valuable because they do not convey the coercive voice and nearly hypnotic effect that he can have on his followers. Hopefully if some of them read these things apart from him speaking them they will see how insane it is.  I fear we're going to end up with a group of people who see themselves as soldiers of the kingdom who will fully commit their minds to Pack, and then either follow his dangerous bidding or come to a catastrophic end when it is proven to them that it was all in vain. I shudder at the thought of what Pack will tell his followers that their Biblical parallels are, likely martyrs whose blood cries out from the earth.

Here's some thought provoking multiple choice items pulled from Wikipedia. Which does Dave Pack most fit into:

A) Grandiose delusions (GD) or delusions of grandeur are principally a subtype of delusional disorder that occurs in patients suffering from a wide range of mental illnesses, including two-thirds of patients in manic state of bipolar disorder, half of those with schizophrenia and a substantial portion of those with substance abuse disorders.^[1][2] GDs are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, wealthy, or otherwise very powerful. The delusions are generally fantastic and typically have a supernatural, science-fictional, or religious theme. There is a relative lack of research into GD, in contrast to persecutory delusions and auditory hallucinations. About 10% of healthy people experience grandiose thoughts but do not meet full criteria for a diagnosis of GD.^[2]

B) Megalomania is a psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, omnipotence, and by inflated self-esteem. Historically it was used as a name for narcissistic personality disorder prior to the latter's first use by Heinz Kohut in 1968, and is used today as a non-clinical equivalent.^[1][2] It is not mentioned in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)^[3] or the International Statistical Classification of Diseases (ICD).

C) Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβρις) means extreme pride or self-confidence. When it offends the gods of ancient Greece, it is usually punished. The adjectival form of the noun hubris is "hubristic". Hubris is usually perceived as a characteristic of an individual rather than a group, although the group the offender belongs to may suffer consequences from the wrongful act. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

D) Egocentrism is the inability to differentiate between self and other.^[1][2]
Although egocentrism and narcissism appear similar, they are not the same. A person who is egocentric believes they are the center of attention, like a narcissist, but does not receive gratification by one's own admiration. A narcissist is a person whose ego is greatly influenced by the approval of others while an egotist is not. Similarly, egocentrism and absolutism appear to be the same but are not.

Egocentrism and absolutism differ in the sense that an egotist's opinion must always allow everything to center around themselves, while an absolutist can form an opinion that does not center themselves, yet believes their idea and opinion is non contest.^{[citation needed]} Although egocentric behaviors are less prominent in adulthood, the existence of some forms of egocentrism in adulthood indicates that overcoming egocentrism may be a lifelong development that never achieves completion.^[3]
Therefore, egocentrism is found across the life span: in infancy ^[4] early childhood,^[5] adolescence,^[6] and adulthood.^[7] It contributes to the human cognitive development by helping children develop theory of mind and self-identity formation.

E) Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a Cluster B personality disorder^[1] in which a person is excessively preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity, mentally unable to see the destructive damage they are causing to themselves and to others in the process. It is estimated that this condition affects one percent of the population, with rates greater for men.^[2][3] First formulated in 1968, NPD was historically called megalomania, and is a form of severe egocentrism.^[4]

Grandiose delusions. (2015, February 16). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 04:54, February 26, 2015, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grandiose_delusions&oldid=647338657

Megalomania. (2015, February 9). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 04:55, February 26, 2015, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Megalomania&oldid=646375329

Hubris. (2015, January 20). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 04:56, February 26, 2015, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hubris&oldid=643288327

Egocentrism. (2015, February 22). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 04:59, February 26, 2015, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Egocentrism&oldid=648371488

Narcissistic personality disorder. (2015, February 24). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 05:02, February 26, 2015, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Narcissistic_personality_disorder&oldid=648689101

Reverencing Herbert Armstrong Above Jesus

Excellent comment on why the COG's continue to place Herbert Armstrong and other church leaders on pedestals higher than the Jesus Christ they claim to follow.

So far as Herb goes, "they" revere him as much as we revile him. As the central figure of his own personality cult, transformed into "God's endtime apostle", he was more at the forefront of our belief system than Jesus himself. In fact, HWA very subliminally played down Jesus by stating on many occasions that somehow, throughout history, the gospel had become changed, so that it became about the person of Jesus, rather than the gospel that Jesus preached himself about the Kingdom of God. He claimed to have reverted to the original gospel, teaching what Jesus himself had taught. But then, HWA wasn't above inserting himself into his message, writing his own self-aggrandizing autobiography, using the PT as his own collection of photo-ops, etc.

If we were to survey splinter members, and if they were to be honest, we'd learn that the broad majority regards the current crop of leaders simply as temporary substitutes for HWA, agents of maintenance to the faith. . Nothing particularly special or noteworthy about them at all. They eagerly anticipate that HWA will return with Jesus Christ, and will lead them into the Kingdom, with maybe a wink or nod or an "attaboy" for their splinter leader. They tolerate these substitutes, and their antics, because of their belief in church government, and the fear this produces in their lives.

The rest of us realize that we probably never will completely rid ourselves of the many warping effects of Armstrongism in this lifetime. So, yeah. You're not going to see that damnable name disappear any time soon. Both sides have a reason for its continuing presence in our lexicon.

BB

Herbert Armstrong Exposed Himself As A False Prophet

"I wanna tell you that all this weather disturbance means that terrible famine is coming on the United States that is going to RUIN US as a nation inside less than 20 more years.

Alright I stuck my neck out, right there. You just wait 20 years and see whether I told you the truth.

God says, if a man tells you what's going to happen, wait and see. If it doesn't happen he was not speaking the word of god; he was speaking out of his own mind.

You watch and see whether these things happen.

You'll see who's speaking to you, my friends."

"Gerald Flurry, Fred Dattolo, Tim Oostendarp, Cal Culpepper, Eric Anderson, Jim Cocomise and John Chandler. I hold you responsible for the death of my daughter Janet De Gennaro."

Exit and Support has a gut wrenching letter from the father of Janet De Gennaro: An Open Letter to Gerald Flurry and the PCG Ministers.

Gerald Flurry, Fred Dattolo, Tim Oostendarp, Cal Culpepper, Eric Anderson, Jim Cocomise and John Chandler.

I hold you responsible for the death of my daughter Janet De Gennaro.

Not one of you took on the responsibility to care and guide my daughter's spiritual, emotional and mental stability. Instead, you forced her to have No-Contact with her family. She was full of life and joy during the many years she lived with us until she was ordered to "get out of that house" by Fred Dattolo.

What was the quality of the counseling my daughter and David Privratsky received from Cal Culpepper and other ministers? Were these men qualified to give spiritual and physical marriage counseling? Have any of them received the necessary training?

My daughter and David Privratsky were counseling for two whole years before their marriage was approved. With seven ministers counseling them, we can only imagine the unbearable stress that was placed upon them. Did any of these ministers consider the emotional stress Janet would experience living in a new country, in a small, secluded town, where she knew no one? This stress was compounded by Gerald Flurry's No-Contact policy, which meant she could not talk to her parents or brother.

Did the ministers encourage David Privratsky to be aware of Janet's mental and emotional state as a result of moving to a completely different environment, while at the same time being cut off from her family?

Cal Culpepper was the main marriage counselor. We now know he made threats to call off the marriage if she had any contact with her family. He made her life miserable with no regard for the mental stress he was putting her under. He, and Eric Anderson, even questioned her obedience to "That Prophet" with more threats of calling off the marriage if she did not comply with the harsh, PCG-enforced No-Contact policy

My wife and I became very concerned for Janet when we saw her wedding pictures and realized how much weight she had lost. Her face was thin and her smile was only partial. Only a close family member would know that. We tried to communicate with her many times, but as she was under strict instructions, we received no response.

It wasn't until after Janet's death that, for the first time, we were finally able to meet David Privratsky and his mother. We learned that he forbade Janet from speaking to us due to Gerald Flurry's No-Contact policy. He also admitted that he didn't know how to handle Janet's anxiety. He handed us some notes that she had written to explain what was going on in her mind and how you, collectively, twisted her perspective:

"I need to do that which is right in God's sight and put God first. And that means No-Contact with my family, which is fine. They have to know that I've put God first in my life and that they need to do the same. I love my family and I don't talk to them out of love as God commands."

It breaks my heart to realize my daughter was deceived by you into believing she was obeying God. She was led by ministers who are blind. You departed from the Word of God, which instructs children to honor their parents and relied on Gerald Flurry's evil edict to strike fear into the trusting people of God.

What is the fruit of the PCG? We attended this organization for about fourteen years. You are a false prophet, Gerald Flurry, preaching constantly about outsiders plotting to "attack us." The real truth that our family experienced was that the attack came from within by none other than Gerald Flurry and his terrorist ministers.

God is against you! God requires His ministers to serve His people with love and mercy. Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 make it plain that God is against false prophets and ministers. You should read these chapters and apply the verses to yourselves.

Woe be to the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture, saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of our doing, said the LORD. -Jeremiah 23:1,2

The diseased have you not strengthened, neither have you healed that which was sick, neither have you bound up that which was broken, neither have you brought again that which was driven away, neither have you sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have you ruled them. -Ezekiel 34:4

Did Christ apply the PCG No-Contact Policy?

The scriptures are clear that Christ's brothers did not believe He was the Son of God. Did Christ cut off His physical family? The answer is absolutely not! Why? Two of His brothers, James and Jude became Apostles of Christ. Christ must have had close family relations for them to come to the understanding that Jesus was, in fact, the Son of God.

A Warning for PCG!

There is a just, living, Almighty God who knows every thought of man. God who fights for us will take righteous judgment against the PCG, Gerald Flurry and the rest of you!

Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. -Exodus 34:7

God promises He will take vengeance for Janet against Gerald Flurry, his children and his children's children, unto the third and fourth generation (including the ministers mentioned at the beginning of this letter: Fred Dattolo, Tim Oostendarp, Cal Culpepper, Eric Anderson, Jim Cocomise and John Chandler.

You all caused so much pain and terror that Janet was stripped of her moral compass and dignity. You pushed her to the point that she saw no other way out but to take her own life.

Janet was crying for help. She needed us. Only her family could have given her the love, support and encouragement she sought so much, but it was denied because of your evil policy. You have robbed us of so much joy and happiness. We will never see our daughter flourishing as a young wife. We will never see her as a young mother. We will never see her children. 

You have robbed us; nevertheless, as the scriptures exhort us, we leave you in God's hands.

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. -Romans 12:19

By Dan De Gennaro
February 23, 2015

Restored Church of God's Jeffery Ambrose Sends Letter to Members Telling Them to Evangelize Passover Dave's 130 Point Sermon to the Lost Sheep in Splinter Groups

Below are excerpts from the Restored Church of God's letter tot eh membership after David Passover Pack's superfantabulous sermon that contained 130 "points" on why he is so much more magnificent than that Jesus Christ dude.

If you thought propaganda that the government uses to whitewash things over was mind-boggling, then get a load of this RCG's propaganda.

They start the letter off proclaiming that the RCG has been "galvanized" around the entire world with "enthusiastic agreement" with every single fact that Passover Dave presented.  Not one person in the entire world that is part of RCG had any doubts or questions.  Somehow Armstrongites always gloss over the fact that lying is part of the commandments they claim to uphold.  Jeffery Ambrose is a liar.

Dear brethren,

Greetings from Headquarters! We hope that your week has been as profitable as has been ours.

We are very happy and inspired to report that this past Sabbath’s sermon series has truly galvanized the whole Church around the world in a unique way. There has been an outpouring—by email, phone and word-of-mouth—of enthusiastic agreement, unified understanding and excitement. And to our knowledge, and to the dismay of our detractors, no one has left the Church due to an inability to accept the new understanding we have learned together!

This dynamic was described by Mr. Pack in an announcement posted last night for those in the splinters, along with the sermon series itself:

I have given a three-part sermon series unlike anything The Restored Church of God has posted. Titled “First a MOSES, Now ELIJAH—130 Proofs!”, it explains monumental prophecies with crystal clarity. It carries far-reaching implications for former members of the Worldwide Church of God and others in its offshoots.

These messages will not even be close to what you expect, nor what angry enemies will report about them. Do not “answer the matter before you hear it” (Prov. 18:13). After 15 minutes, you will not want to stop. And don’t let your minister stop you. He cannot give you eternal life!

 Among the most important prophecies in Scripture, Malachi 4:5-6 states that without the end-time Elijah’s arrival, God would “smite the earth with utter destruction”! Thousands with a Church background are waiting for Elijah (Matt. 17:11), believing this man to be one of the Two Witnesses (Rev. 11:3). Scripture makes clear this theory is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. But, if Herbert W. Armstrong was not the Elijah, who was he? The answer is crucial in ways only the sermon can show you, and must be understood before God reunifies His people.

 These are the most important messages I have ever given. Hundreds in The Restored Church of God have commented in just the last two days like this: “electrifying,” “exhilarating,” “amazing,” “gripping,” “game-changing,” “awesome,” “captivating,” “overwhelming,” “tremendously inspiring,” “profound,” “mind-blowing” and “emphatically irrefutable.” Great numbers said they understood the message in less than 10 proofs. Few even needed the LAST 100 PROOFS! And no one—NONE!—to our knowledge out of thousands who heard has disagreed, and we have heard from virtually every pastorate in the world!

Passover Dave somehow feels that his message is going to rip the other COG's asunder with the vast majority flocking to Passover Dave's gated cult compound.  The only thing I have seen on multiple sites run by the more conservative COG folk is derision directed towards Passover Dave. He is mocked and ridiculed.

These messages will eventually divide the splinters and slivers down the middle. There are two kinds of people. Those driven by EMOTION—and those led by the Holy Spirit who are driven by SCRIPTURE, TRUTH, FACTS, EVIDENCE, PROOF and SIMPLE LOGIC. Perhaps half the people you meet with will agree, and the other half will attack. THERE IS NO AVOIDING THIS. But, to reject their message, one must reject a host of IMPOSSIBLE TO MISUNDERSTAND Scriptures!

Listen to these sermons—and tell others about them. While the understanding they bring cannot be forced on unwilling minds, all should have opportunity to prove for themselves.

Visit this page regularly for more unprecedented postings and news! An important follow-up sermon will be posted on another subject in four to seven days.

You are receiving this special update because you previously ordered our Splinter Explanation Packet, which is for those with a background in the Worldwide Church of God and/or its offshoots.

Passover Dave now exhorts his dwindling membership to "evangelize" his "powerful" sermon to their friends and family members in other COG's.

A VERY IMPORTANT note, brethren: As you see above, Mr. Pack urged those who listen to the sermons to “tell others about them.” This also applies to us! We can have a part in helping reach those who need to hear these messages. Our goal is to make them known to as many as possible as soon as possible.

 Much like our goal is to expose the nitwits for the morons they truly are.

Passover Dave wants to make sure that his dwindling flock does not get too aggressive though. aggression will turn people off and cause them to look deeper in his comments causing them to realize what a liar he is.

However, we must be both wise and harmless in how we do this (Matt. 10:16). None of us should embark on a “crusade” to indict those in the splinters or “shake them awake.” That is Jesus Christ’s responsibility!

Passover Dave does not want his message going out to the unconverted riff-raff because it will alienate them to his message.

Understand that we must not speak or write to those outside the Church in the same way that we would fellow members of The Restored Church of God. This will alienate those we intend to help. Also, we cannot “shove the sermons down their throats.”

 To mention this sermon series in a positive, non-confrontational and natural way will have the greatest chance of success at helping our separated brethren.

 Also, as you do this, you will likely get some backlash. The messages are now being released among a large, fragmented group of people. The truth they contain will, as Mr. Pack mentions above, sunder those of two different minds.

Knowing that his members will get attacked for promoting Passover Dave's absurdities, he warns them to rejoice in their persecution.

Mr. Pack has described the sermons as his “introducing himself” to those in the splinters. As with any introduction, some will be ready to extend the right hand of fellowship (Gal. 2:9), others will not. If you strive to be diplomatic and edifying in making people aware—and you still get attacked—do not be discouraged, but rather rejoice (Matt. 5:10-12). It will be a sobering but instructive experience. And keep in mind that some who may initially be in disagreement, or even angry, will “come around” in time as they and others around them see the obvious proof of both Mr. Pack’s and Mr. Armstrong’s roles.

Finally, please do not apply this instruction to all of our materials—it is specific to this sermon series—and be especially careful with anything you post to social media, as any unwise or indiscreet words in that forum can travel fast and do much damage. Approach this opportunity carefully and prayerfully, and we can look forward to fruit borne as a result.

We anticipate thrilling, and (again) truly “game-changing” times ahead. Let’s do what we can to help these crucial messages spread around the globe!

 As always, you will be in our prayers.

In Christ’s service,

Jeffrey R. Ambrose

The only thing I see appropriate to conclude Ambrose silliness is the following quote from The Message Bible.  It's always about Passover Dave and never about Jesus Christ.  They know him not.

He was in the world, the world was there through him, and yet the world didn’t even notice. He came to his own people, but they didn’t want him. John 1:11 

Aaron Dean Comments About David C Pack's Elijah Status

I was sent this comment the other day. It is reportedly by Aaron Dean.

So sad.  I read much of what he wrote and he tries to answer (justify) things I have pointed out to him - with his spin that he accuses others of having - which some do - but I venture from first hand knowledge his is as bad or worse.

One question people should ask after reading any of his self stylized history, is: "If he was so close to HWA, why didn't HWA even consider him for a position on his 12 man Advisory Council of Elders during the last 5 years of his life."  It was for good reason which by this self proclaimed position should make it obvious to all.  Those who seek position always say they don't, while their actions, pride and ego state otherwise.

He will damage a lot of people who will be left with little money and total disillusionment.  

Mr. Armstrong would not be pleased...or surprised.

Are COG Women Dressing Ungodly In Church?

  








I love reading comments by those deeply entrenched in legalism.  When a mind is mired in legalistic bullshit it pictures normally dressed women in church into the picture to the left. There are some in Armstrongism that would still prefer that women be dressed in potato sacks, prairie skirts or burka's.

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I saw this “turning the head to sin” first-hand, in our “former affliation” with one of the COG’S. One of the “Deaconesses” dressed very suggestively, by showing cleavage & skirts/dresses, half-way to her thighs. Her example spread to a large number of the ladies in that congregation. I even heard one conversation, where one of the ladies said to this “Deaconess”, “OH, I didn’t know we could wear that (Patterned Hosiery”, (which are considered “sexy” & tend to draw men’s attention to a woman’s legs”) to Church”! Next Sabbath, that lady was wearing the same, besides many others “caught on”. I talked privately to the Pastor’s wife, regarding these problems being addressed by her husband. Her answer was “He is not a confrontational minister”. Thus, the problems spread.

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The comments by D ring very true to what I’ve seen happening in recent years amongst the women. The more of the world women dress, the more they are encouraged by peer popularity to dress like that. Sabbath services have become a fashion show for some. Not only showing off their latest expensive outfit but also showing off their bodies. Ive witnessed open mockery by women on other women who aren’t dressed as they are, or who aren’t as thin as they are. It’s outrageous and is actually getting worse. The ministry tolerate and turn a blind eye.

Unemployed Church of God Chief Pharisee Continues To Beg For Money After Publishing His First Book

Armstrongism has always had a great record of attracting professional moochers to the organization.  Almost always these were men who felt their calling was higher than anyone else and therefore could not work at jobs the riff-raff worked at.  Heaven forbid if they had to work an eight hour day!  That would cut into their time in interpreting the Bible according to THEIR wishes.

One of the latest professional moochers is James Malm and his Shining Light "ministry" where he spends countless hours every day reinterpreting the books of the bible according to HIS desires.  That understanding is wrapped up in all the legalistic baloney that has made the Church of God famous, though he takes it further to the extreme than most.

Being the Church Pharisee of the Church of God is hard work, so hard that he cannot hold down a real job and instep has to depend upon gullible sheeple to pay for his version of "truth."

Now that he has published his first book, which of course is a MUST READ, he now looks to write more books in order to keep his ego pummeled up.  Of course in order to do that he needs YOUR money.  So send it to him and not to Passover Pack!

2015 in Prophecy A World in Crisis is about today’s unfolding events as they converge towards the great tribulation and the coming of our LORD!

2   I am beginning a book on Passover.  This book will cover the Passover in depth. I hope [no promises] to have this published in about two or three weeks; just in time for Passover.  After that I am planning comprehensive books on the Biblical Sabbath, Holy Days, Appointed Times  and Festivals; to be followed by the Gospels, Beatitudes and the Epistles.

3  I am very much in need of your prayers and your financial support.  

Elijah Passover Pack Making Claims His Life and Parentage Is Parallel to John the Baptist

The Holy Family of Elijah Passover Pack

Elijah Passover Dave is claiming his genealogy is parallel with John the Baptist and that his EXTRAORDINARY parents form a parallel to John's parents.

Being born to such extraordinary parents Elijah Passover Dave is just one step from proclaiming his was immaculately conceived!

 My name is Passover, and that's likely Levitical; kind of an interesting parallel to me. But John's father is introduced as a "certain priest," meaning a regular priest or person, not a high priest. John's mother must have also been descended from David; she, again, shared the same Jewish roots as Mary. My actual genealogy might be a kind of parallel, and I've wondered if my extraordinary parents form a parallel with John's in some way. The angel Gabriel told Zachariah of John's coming, or Elijah's coming – the first Elijah – and miracles surrounded the birth. Now, John's parents are obviously much honored in scripture; they must have been unusual to have been given John as their only child and coming at a great age.

Passover Dave Pack: I Am More Of A Prophet Than A Prophet - Say What?????

Elijah Passover Pack attempts to drag up every excuse imaginable in justifying why he is a prophet.  It kinds of reminds me of the asinine  excuses that Bob Thiel comes up with to justify his prophet status.  There are so many COG prophets running around now that it is hard to know who to follow.

101: Because we never saw that God foretold a modern Moses, including that Mr. Armstrong fulfilled this, man could not see both Moses and Elijah as types of the two witnesses instead of being the two witnesses. Now I'm coming back to certain things for emphasis. Their similar level and kinds of great miracles then force Moses further into the discussion as the modern leader who preceded Elijah. That anciently both were prophets who were central in their time only enhances this. The first Elijah, John the Baptist, was more than a prophet; the two witnesses are prophets. All should have today been looking for one who again, as Elijah, is more than a prophet. Do you see the point? If the two witnesses are prophets, John the Baptist was a type of Elijah and he was more than a prophet, we should have been looking for one again at the end of the age in type who was more than a prophet, not a prophet. That's the point, okay. You can think about it.

Elijah Passover Pack: Will Be The Song Leader In Millennium Leading All The Chosen In Praises As He Brings Them Salvation

Passover Dave has went from a second rate college student in Pasadena, from being  a so-so swimmer to disfellowshipment from Living Church of God  to beign Moses and Joshua and now to Elijah.  Passover Dave will also take on a new title in the millennium as the worlds most superfantabulous song leader.  Salvation will occur in Passover Dave's "kingdom" with everyone singing to Moses. 

Passover Dave expects his members to start learning the song immediately.

Now, Israel had – next point, 96 – had to learn and sing a very long song described in the very next chapter, 32, about what God had done through Moses. It was 43 verses. This was so they would never forget what God had done in raising up this little slave nation; all that he'd done for them. At the end of it, in verse 44, it says Joshua stood beside Moses and read with him; stood beside him. Little did we realize those two men standing beside each other would type two men thousands of years later who would stand beside each other. Now that we'll come to that a little bit more. Maybe we should have had a long song that we sang. Israel stopped singing that song and they forgot all that God had done. How big was and how big is Moses brethren? Turn to Revelation chapter 14, Revelation 14. This will remove all doubt about how transcendent was that song for the saints of God for all generations that would ever come thereafter and even on in to the millennium. Chapter 14 and verse 3; talks about the 144,000 in context there singing a new song that no man can learn, then you get to chapter 15 of Revelation. "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark…" that's the 144,000 again, "…and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God," right before the seven last plagues. And what did the 144,000 do? "And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God…." All people in the Kingdom of God from all generations, before and after, are gonna open salvation singing Moses' song. One wonders who might be the song leader (hehe).  And then the song of the Lamb, "saying, Great and marvelous are your works Lord God," these are things that they say. So the song of the Lamb is obviously the song that nobody is allowed to sing from chapter 14:3, but the 144,000 open singing Moses' song. How big is – how big was – Moses brethren? The saints will sing this song in the Kingdom. If you want to be in the Kingdom you might want to start learning it, because you're gonna someday have to sing it.

Passover Dave Pack: I Will Cause The Earth To Open And Swallow My Enemies

Passover Dave is giddy with delight in imagining that all of his enemies are going to be swallowed up by the earth in a massive earthquake for DARING to attack him.  All of those that have left Passover Dave's splinter cult are included in this massive earthly extermination.  All of  those rebellious ministers and members that have left and taken their money with them are a thorn in Passover Dave's side.  He is "happy" that they will be struck down and swallowed up by the earth.  Of course he will have that power, just like Moses, so that he can open the earth to swallow his enemies.

94: Moses battled and survived a major rebellion in his time with Korah, Dathan, Abiram and 250 princes. Smaller rebellions came later. Mr. Armstrong battled and survived almost exactly the same thing in 1974. And smaller rebellions also came later under him. A side note, by the way, related: The Red Sea and the earth opened and swallowed Moses' and Israel's enemies. The earth will open in the near future to swallow Elijah's and the Church's enemies again. Now, I realize that's a Moses and Elijah comparison there, but the event's the same. Moses offers plenty of parallels from which I can learn – happy to learn that one, I'll tell you. But I thought you'd find that as a side note, the point was the rebellions. 

Elijah Passover Pack: What Happens When Psychopaths Have Temper Tantrums

Living With A Psychopath - When the Mask Slips

The next time Passover Dave throws a hissy-fit, just remember that his temper is God ordained.  Only the BEST have "strong tempers."  So when he is raking you over the coals for not giving as much money as he expects, just be cool, its only his "strong temper."

But here's one, number 92 – and this is fairly easy to understand, an important parallel – with powerful personalities often you have strong tempers. Well that describes Moses and Mr. Armstrong. I just can't relate (ehem), or maybe I can.

Here is what happens when psychopaths have temper tantrums:

This may be hard to hear, but your narcissist is controlling you with a device no more sophisticated than the good old temper tantrum.

Throwing temper tantrums to manipulate your behavior is but an aspect of narcissists doing everything for effect, an aspect of them going through life playing to mirrors so as to get the wanted looks and behaviors in reaction. In other words, remember that this is what he's doing the whole time...

You get the temper tantrum the moment you aren't doing that, the moment you aren't playing along with his game of 'Pretend.' In it he is God. He is the center of your universe as well of his own. You are to be in awe of him, to admire him, to see to it that the King lacks nothing he needs or wants, and to change his diaper regularly.

Since all narcissists do 24/7 is play Pretend, and all they want is for you to play along, they never needed to mature and find other ways to interact with people. So, they just use . . . and use . . . and use . . . and use the temper-tantrum technique. The moment you stray from his script, he raises an obnoxious ruckus.

You know what he wants. If not, keep trying things, like you do with a baby, until you hit on the right thing and the ruckus stops. This is extortion. Give him what he wants, or he won't let you have any peace.

One thing that will push a narcissist's temper-tantrum button for sure is objecting to their abuse. You mustn't do that. You must docilely submit to abuse from God Almighty. In fact, it isn't abuse for God Almighty to treat you like dirt, because that's what you are relative to God Almighty, so quit insulting him by expecting him to treat you as an equal.

By Kathy Krajco 

From:   Control by Temper Tantrum

Eric King Explains Why Elijah Passover Dave Pack Is Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo Special

Now we know why Elijah Passover Pack is the way he is!  He is part Neanderthal!  No wonder he is sooooooooooooooooooooo special!!!!!

SOCT has always taught that human evolution is much more complex than originally imagined. We have taught that there was in a sense “more than one mother”. We have also talked about numerous hominid beings which interacted and mated with each other forming a much more diverse human genome than originally believed. It is now a known fact that some early humans bread with Neanderthals. Some humans are at least 3 percent Neanderthal to this day. But we are not ultimately from Neanderthal and the Neanderthals were much more advanced than present science is teaching.- The SOCT Takes A Closer Look At Early Humanity

Elijah Passover Pack: I Am Unlike Any Other Human To Ever Exist! It's My Nature!

Elijah Passover Dave is such a miraculous intelligent person that he marvels that people are not able to understand him.  He's cut from a different cloth because he channel's Elijah's personality and humor!  Just as Elijah was misunderstood, so is Passover Dave.

Elijah Passover Dave is such a miraculous person that no other human could have been his mother's child.  Only Dave could be her son! Well DUH!

 He was trained to be incisive, decisive, bold, aggressive, dramatic and definitive!

No other human in 6,000 years has come close to the stature and significance of Passover Dave!

Passover Dave says his nature is incomprehensible to God's people.  Well....when a you are batshit crazy......of course no one understands you!  One of you certainly IS enough!  Even your own siblings and children don't support you, so why should anyone else?

Another personal point: for a long time I realize that I am not like most others, I'm cut from a different cloth – I've said that many times. I've at times wondered if God's people can understand me. In so many ways, brethren, I have Elijah's own personality. I have in humor, even mocked, in writing, the modern prophets of Baal as did Elijah. I even invoked his name – I've done that – I've been trained to be incisive, decisive, bold, aggressive, dramatic and definitive. It's my nature. You couldn't be my mother's son. But there are also other things. Think about who I have to address, who I have to deal with, who I have to go up against. Such men would not make good diplomats of this world. I think like Teddy Roosevelt, like David, like Joshua, and maybe even somewhat like Moses I guess. Mr. Armstrong and the ancient Elijah are of a particular nature that is somewhat incomprehensible to God's people. They are confronters, they are aggressive, they have to be and that's just the way I've always been. My superiors would often tell me, "You're too incisive, you're too decisive." Well, maybe I was when I was younger, but I know in some ways, some of us – I'll say myself – have a nature that is somewhat incomprehensible to God's people. I don't want people to be like me, one of me is enough.

Elijah Passover Pack: My Childhood Was One Miraculous Event After Another and Like John the Baptist I Could Not Be Killed As A Child

Elijah Passover Dave is such a miraculous person that his god just HAD to watch over him as he was growing up.  Since Passover Dave's life was a direct parallel with John the Baptists, there was no way possible that Satan could destroy him.  According to Passover Dave he was being groomed to be a future leader as a child and therefore had to be persevered.

Here's another personal point, you can value it to the degree, uh, you'd like to; I can't amplify it very much, don't have time. But speaking of John's childhood growing up, the writer Luke wrote, "The hand of the Lord was with him" as a child, Luke 1:65, "The hand of the Lord was with him." Now, without getting into twenty different stories I could tell you, I was a pretty interesting little kid; I did some stuff that I should be dead many times over. An obvious divine hand has carefully delivered me from serious injury and often outright death time and again in a unique way throughout my life, paralleling John the Baptist. I could list twenty times; staph almost killed me three times; falls; my head going through a window as a little boy; eight months old I was shot past my parents like a missile asleep in a basinet – back before you strapped babies in – I shot right over my parents' shoulders and blew out the windshield as an eight month old boy, I was unscratched when my father slammed on the brakes and stopped ten inches short of hitting a train, and I just fell back in my mother's lap crying. It's just, some of these stories that they tell. This huge, giant swing set rolled over on me and landed on my back, came all the way down, I was three years old. I could just go on and on; I've wondered, "Why?" Well I used to just think, I guess I was gonna be the leader in God's Church at the end of the age – recent years – but now I understand more than ever, God had to watch over me in a unique way, and I guess he'd have to do that if I were just an apostle, but it is interesting how I find in Luke God makes a point of saying the hand of the Lord was with John as  he  was growing up; there's no way John could be allowed to get killed by an accident, and I guess the same was true of me.

Elijah Passover Pack: I Will Be The Most Attacked Person In 6,000 Years

Dave lives in his life of privilege and wealth 

while real Christians are being slaughtered. 

Elijah Passover Dave is being attacked on all fronts.  He is the most persecuted human to exist in the last 6,000 years!  The Christians being slaughtered in the Middle East are insignificant blobs of worthless flesh in the eye's of God's most important human ever!

There is a special place in hell for Passover Dave!

 I may turn out to be the single most attacked human being ever in six thousand years. It's pretty easy to come up with the rationale for why that might happen; well, just start with Malachi 4:6, the very last words of the Old Testament, start with that. And then think about how the god of this world doesn't want to be unseated. He doesn't want Christ to come and restore all things, and he doesn't want somebody to be a forerunner restoring everything in the Church before that and getting the last group ready, filling all the empty seats for the wedding supper. I must be stopped at all costs – I mean at all costs. I get hate mail, you wouldn't believe it. There are people that literally drive into my neighborhood and put hat mail into my mailbox; I don't know who they are. I get stuff on a regular basis. Got another one just the other day, all anonymous – I understand. Christ was attacked more than I will be. I mean, just think of who I confront. What do think Rome is gonna do? They're coming over and over, brethren, and reading things on our website; they know who I am. They don't know that I'm Elijah, heh, I'm not saying that, but they know what I say about them; they can read my booklet Who and What is the Beast of Revelation, and so forth, they can see all of that.