Bob Thiel: More Tornadoes, More Bad Weather, All Because God Is Punishing Them For Being Such Grievous Sinners Sinners

More tornadoes hit the heartland last night, and one even struck Moore OK again.  As usual, the  non-ordained self-appointed prophet Thiel is back telling the citizens of the Midwest that they are being punished by God for their dirty sins.  For some reason Bob takes delight in promoting such an angry pissed off god.

The Bible shows that whirlwinds are one of the forms of weather that God controls:

3 The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The Lord has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet. (Nahum 1:3)

God teaches that because of disobedience He will scatter people and use a whirlwind:
8 Then the word of the Lord came to Zechariah, saying, 9 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:

‘Execute true justice,
Show mercy and compassion
Everyone to his brother.
10 Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless,
The alien or the poor.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart
Against his brother.’

11 But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear. 12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it happened, that just as He proclaimed and they would not hear, so they called out and I would not listen,” says the Lord of hosts. 14 “But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations which they had not known. Thus the land became desolate after them, so that no one passed through or returned; for they made the pleasant land desolate.” (Zechariah 7:8-14)
21 A cyclone sweeps them up — gone!
Not a trace of them left, not even a footprint.
22 Catastrophes relentlessly pursue them;
they run this way and that, but there’s no place to hide —
23 Pummeled by the weather,
blown to kingdom come by the storm.’
(Job 27:21-23, THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson.)

Then to reinforcehis tornado metpahores he resorts to Jeremiah:

The following, presuming it is intended literally, indicates that there will be a very major tornado in the time of the end:

9 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord has gone forth in fury —
A violent whirlwind!
It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the Lord will not turn back
Until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart.
In the latter days you will understand it perfectly. (Jeremiah 23:19-20)
23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord
Goes forth with fury,
A continuing whirlwind;
It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.
24 The fierce anger of the Lord will not return until He has done it,
And until He has performed the intents of His heart.
In the latter days you will consider it. (Jeremiah 30:23-24)

Bob never quotes from the Gospel messages but slobbers all over Hebrew scriptures meant for a certain people at a certain point in time.

God uses weather and other events to try to get people’s attention.
God does not want people to suffer, but to turn to Him:

10 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: ‘Thus you say, “If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how can we then live?”‘ 11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’ (Ezekiel 33:10-11)

God wants people everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). He uses weather for correction and for His mercy (Job 37:13).

 

Dave Pack: With All Competition Soon Gone God Will FINALLY Be Able To Do His Work!!!!!!!!!!

What a weak, impotent, pussy-whipped god it is that Dave follows.  The poor thing just cannot get his work done because of all the interfering splinter group leaders out there.  Why won't they just go away!!!!!!!!!!!! Never fear though, SuperD is here!. 

With the soon coming demise of the three large splinter group leaders, SuperD comes to the rescue!

With ALL competition gone, The Restored Church of God will be the instrument through which Almighty God does “again” the Work accomplished under Mr. Armstrong’s leadership—and will thus be the only organization finishing God’s Work. May God help you see your potential role in this effort. Some in the “houses” have read these Friday announcements and already come with us as a direct result. (In fact, we just grew in numeric attendance by a greater amount in May than the United Church of God announced it grew in the last 12 months.) Do not miss your chance to be part of what God is doing. And do not miss next week’s announcement! It is every bit as exciting as this one.

Yes Davey, we know.  It's all about numbers.  You are SuperDave after all.

Dave Pack Writes About the "Gall" of Dave Pack

Dave Pack, the the narcissistic wanna-be who can't quit make it, wants those in the splinter groups and particularly the ministers to know that the "gall" he has to say the things he does is NOT made up.

Davey also wants you to know that if you disagree with him you are irrelevant.

A brief inset. No doubt many are today thinking (particularly splinter ministers) “The gall of Dave Pack. How could he possibly believe we will come to his church? Who does he think he is?!” The answer is: I certainly did not (and could not) dream up the understanding of the Haggai prophecy—meaning its obviously only correct explanation (and other incredible verses will be explained). What you have been reading are not my ideas. The article “God’s People Back Together—SOON!” does not express my opinions. One with an even half open mind can see that article is demonstrably provable—that this understanding comes entirely from GOD’S WORD! Who agrees or disagrees—likes or doesn’t like me—is not relevant in the slightest. These things are going to happen. God recorded that they would almost 2,500 years ago. And finally, besides not being a prophet, I did not pick myself to explain these things to the returning remnant (and you), GOD did! And more explanation will follow each week—some of it VERY STRONG MATERIAL!

Dave Pack Says: BELIEVE THIS : Literature Published by All The Splinter Groups Will Soon Be Retired.

According to Dave, the leaders of the top three COG 's will soon die this fall.  At that time all the present members will immediately jump ship to Dave Pack.

Let’s ponder for a moment. Reunification obviously means ONE organization doing ONE Work. This means all redundancy will disappear. First, it means God’s blessings will be on all ministers and brethren doing His Work. Next it means the literature of the other groups will be immediately RETIRED. The combined resources of the big organizations—brethren, staff, ministers, assets and funding—will be POOLED. God’s Plan specifically includes this. (Other details about what else this means, in areas of the Church not directly part of the Work, will be covered in a later announcement.)
The World to Come telecast, already blanketing the world and rapidly expanding, will much further explode in scope and viewership. Think. Most (or all) television contracts now held by the splinters will shift to us because Tomorrow’s World (LCG), Beyond Today (UCG), and The Key of David (PCG) will also be immediately RETIRED! (Believe this!)

The LCG, UCG, PCG flagship magazines will be retired so that all the focus is on ONE magazine.

The Real Truth magazine subscription list will begin sprinting toward multiple millions. This will be in part because Tomorrow’s World (LCG), The Good News (UCG) and The Trumpet (PCG) magazines will also be immediately RETIRED. (And believe this!) This alone will probably quickly generate great numbers of subscribers looking for where to turn. They will find something stronger and uncompromising has supplanted what got mothballed. Of course, the number of magazines distributed in the Newsstand Distribution Program will skyrocket because of much greater funding.

Powerful Public Bible Lectures will be held worldwide. Our websites will become the biggest thing in religion online that the world has ever seen. Internet advertising will multiply to awesome proportion. So will large newspaper ads. The list of how the Work will grow bigger could go on and on. (The serious reader will want to take a moment to study Matthew 22:1-14 and Luke 14:16-24 in this new context. Related parables there describe a time just before Christ’s Return, and clearly after the Haggai prophecy is fulfilled, when God’s Churcll “go into the highways and byways” and the Bible uses the word “compel” people to come so His “House may be filled.”)

Dennis On: "Are We the Scoffers of I Peter 3 and Are We In Big Trouble?"

 Are We the Scoffers of I Peter 3 and Are We In Big Trouble?

Every church pastor I have ever met or heard on the radio pulls out the "Scoffer Card" when times get tough.  The local Baptist churches around Greenville must be experiencing a lot flack these days from the youth and from people who come and go through their congregations because they all are giving sermons on this scoffing and persecution for their views. They deserve it as they refuse to update themselves and think it's 1945.  I think these guys meet every Monday morning and pick the theme on radio of the week because they all speak of it using the same scriptures all week long.  Scoffing at religion and religious leaders was not invented by WCG and the splinter explosion that came from it.  They did perfect it however providing endless reasons for scoffers to scoff.  

 Most theologians now feel that I and ll Peter were not written by the Gospel Peter and in fact, each book was probably written by two different men 70-90 and as late as 112 AD.  These are books written in the name of Peter but in excellent Greek using the Greek OT which most feel any real Galilean Peter would never do nor could he.  He was just a fisherman after all.  It is pseudopigrapha or a false writing written to address the great disappointment  of still no show Jesus.  

In the WCG/Splinter experience, we have been given an never ending parade of self appointed prophets, priests, witnesses, messengers, watchers and Apostles that make their living off the concept of "soon,"  "just around the corner," "by Feast time," "by Pentecost" , "By 2016" and of course, the New Testament gives them all the terminology they need to promote the soon of the Second Coming.   However the modern day splinters and all of fundamentalist Christianity are having exactly the same problems today with the no show Jesus as the early churches did back when those scriptures actually applied to them.  It is humorous to me that 2000 years later, a minister can still quote the ancient texts as if they were just written for today and no one questions this.  

In reality, NONE of the NT soon and shortly statements are for us. It was for them and it failed to deliver.  Duality and types were invented to solve this problem and keep it all going low these thousands of years later. 

Of course early Christians scoffed at the ministry .  They were the ones telling everyone   "things which must SHORTLY come to pass."  That "the hour NOW IS!"  That "the day is FAR SPENT"  and "Little Children, it is the LAST HOUR."    Of course it wasn't.  The Apostle Paul spent his thirty year career telling everyone that he would be among the "we who are alive and remain."  He fully expected Jesus to return in his time and only near the end when he got old did he wake up and smell the coffee.. Of course he had also taught others to not marry, not date and send it in so he brewed his own scoffers as did they all.  Paul exited the scene in classic "I"  "me" and "my" style with his "I have fought the good fight, I have kept the faith..therefore there is laid up for ME......which I shall receive."  Etc.  I'm not sure Paul actually kept the faith.  He kept his faith and his version of that faith but it seems "All those in Asia have turned aside from me..." had another version in mind.  I bet Paul called them scoffers. 

It is not scoffing to notice something does not happen as presented.  Ron Weinland was never subtle in his views of who he thought he was and the message he thought he had to bring.  Dave Pack is not subtle in this either nor is Gerald Flurry.  They'd draw the scoffer out of most critically thinking human beings.  What they say is simply foolishness and fantasy made up in their heads.  Flurry sees himself in Malachi,  Pack in Haggai and Weinland in Revelation .  Ron evidently still doesn't see himself in prison but I am sure he thinks this is the time for his prison epistles just like the Apostle Paul whose teachings he rarely taught or even understands.

II Peter was written by someone to address the now 2000 year old problem of "where is this Second Coming that YOU say is SOON?"    How soon is soon to you guys.  What kinda soon are we talking about here because I am actually giving a lot to you guys for "a short work," as you quote to us often and have put relationships on hold because of your "3-5 years, maybe 10, 15 at the most, 25 max..."   carrot dangling.  

Let's take a quick look at II Peter and see whose right.  Scoffers or Apostles?   Let's also notice that there is truly nothing new under the sun when it comes to making an apologetic for the obvious.  The write of II Peter is going to sound awfully familiar to the WCG experience. 

II Peter 3:

1 This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles.

In other words, you still should listen to us on these matters. The author does not bother to tell them which commandment "of the Lord" he is thinking of but whatever it was it was really their local Apostles who will interpret for them.  It sounds to me like a little too much critical and not so cooperative thinking was going on and there had to be a lid slammed down on it before the pot boiled over. 

3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”

 

This is the first time mockers and scoffers make their way onto the scenes .  Too much time had passed since Jesus ascended and promised to come back.  A good 50  years at least.  John Kennedy died 50 years ago to give you some context.  Now this "Peter" connects the idea of scoffing and mocking to lust.  Isn't that always the case.  "The reason you want to mock and scoff or believe in good science done well is because you want to disobey God and do what you want to do." Noooooo... there is no connection between these two concepts but it's nice to assign some devious motive to their simple observation that soon does not really seem to be soon.  It makes the Apostle feel better probably to not think they are just making a correct observation.  The comment in verse 4 is a 100% true statement.  People were dying who were sold on the idea that they would only be changed in a moment and a twinkling of an eye and not see death as other men.  It was messing them up.  Whatever signs that generation used to prove to themselves they were in the last times were just going on and on.  The Romans wouldn't get lost, seemed more powerful than ever and you can't even get near Jerusalem anymore if you're a Jew.

5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

 

When and Apostle says "they maintain" he really means  "they stubbornly hold on to this observation..."  This shows he was up against some deadly serious observations and criticism for all the soon and shortly stuff of the past few decades.   And of course, anyone with a clear mind and eyes to see would too.  Whatever "soon" and "shortly" meant to the scoffers, it was obviously not the same kind of "soon" and "shortly' of the ministry, as we shall see.  Sound familiar? 

God is giving us more time

The wisdom of man is foolishness with God

There is a way that seeeeeeems  right to a man....but it ends in death

My ways are not your ways....

and in this case...

God does not count time like you do and days are not really days stupid...

Frankly, I don't understand the writers point in what he says "escapes their notice..."    His water/fire story leads nowhere that I can tell.  Of course the earth was not born out of water in reality.  Water came later in the birth of the earth but that's science and not theology.  Since in the Noah story God promises no more big water events, he goes on to say it will be by fire but again, is not any answer to the question of "my Lord delays his coming."  

I can't resist saying to this one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day defense.  And you know this?  Is this just what you make up when the Apostle also knows the coming is delayed but he can't admit it?  Did he ever season his previous time is short and Jesus is coming soon statements with this little bit of made up apologetic.  No he did not because he didn't need it then when he thought soon was still soon in real time.  But now we go into spirit time and magical thinking.  Next comes the double speak that "the Lord is not slow in the way humans think of slow," when in fact this is classic slow and not soon or shortly either.  I suppose he could have said that "Soon is not soon as you think of it as soon and shortly is a longer shortly than men come up with."  No matter, the Deity can't lose so the apologetic has to be woven for the brethren.  We have seen Ron Weinland do a lot of re weaving of predictions along the way when it was obvious he was wrong wrong wrong..   I can still hear him chiding the church for misunderstanding what he said and they did not listen.  It was "spiiiiirrrrritual !...stupid."  Actually this is what the author of Peter is doing as well.  Same ploy and same inability to just say that he was wrong.  But he will trade "soon" and "shortly" for another word that is just as good as motivator to not scoff or mock.

We also see the author of Peter uses the same "God is giving us more time," excuse and again something that was never brought up about God wanting all to be saved etc...until he had to make an excuse for God and the slowness of soon and shortly.  I'm surprised the author did not say that God was giving "you brethren" more time to get your wicked act together and "make it into the kingdom."  

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

 

So now the Second Coming is not soon or shortly, it is going to be sneaky and you better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout , I'm telling you why....Jesus Christ is coming suddenly.  The thief might come neither soon or shortly, but he comes sneaky and suddenly. Brilliant move!  Suddenly is like soon or shortly but unknowable.  Great compromise of the error!  Members and those who notice that none of what the ministry predicts comes  true are turned into scoffers and mockers and the ministry gets to reset and redefine the clock. 

Alas the heavens have not passed in 2000 years nor the elements destroyed with intense heat.  All these people are dust and the beat goes on.  

So, those who notice that neither Church , Pastor or even Bible predictions came true in any sense humans would think they would is not scoffing or mocking.  It is noticing the obvious and speaking up.  Ministers and churches get scoffed at and mocked when they keep up the charade, change the rules as they go and blame the listeners for not listening.  We scoff at those who take  offices and titles unending to themselves and preach themselves way too much.  

The author of Peter simply could not bring himself to say "I don't know," or "We were wrong."  Modern day seers would choke on those words I expect.  He had to mystify and redefine the words and then blame those who noticed calling them scoffers and mockers.   And so it still is today.  

No....those who notice what the ministers, apostles, witnesses , watchers and non prophets say which is either silly, stupid or insane are not in one bit of trouble with the Deity.  They don't scoff or mock.  Ok well they do but it is the church and the leaders that provide the ammo.  We just notice it....I suppose it could be viewed as actively working out one's own salvation and not being snookered. 

contact Dennis at: denniscdiehl@AOL.com

Dave Pack Now Believes HWA Predicted His End Time Superfantabulous Church

Every time Dave opens his mouth now something crazier comes out than the last time. This time he is using a supposed conversation that Dale Schurter had with HWA prior to his death.  How suspicious it all sounds.  Dave is placing his trust in a man who has stabbed two different COG corporations in the back over the years.  Can Schurter really be trusted?  Here's a man who while on WCG payroll connived and plotted to move over to UCG when it started.  Then while on UCG payroll he starts negotiating with Dave Pack for his salary.  Once that was secured he jumps ship from UCG to RCG.  Talk about a snake in the grass!

The following is a recounting of an extraordinary conversation (several hours duration) that Mr. Dale Schurter and his wife had with Mr. Armstrong less than a year before his death in January 1986. It confirms Mr. Armstrong’s belief that God’s Church would later do an even BIGGER WORK—that it would “prophesy again” fulfilling Revelation 10:11:

“A few months before Mr. Armstrong’s death, my wife and I had the opportunity to spend several hours with Mr. Armstrong in his home in Pasadena. He spoke freely of the mighty work God had commissioned him to accomplish, and related certain heartfelt comments: ‘I can say that I have finished the work God has given me to do, and am at peace about it. I have preached and taken the Gospel of the Kingdom of God into all the world as a witness to all nations.’

“Mr. Armstrong went on to say, ‘I have come to realize there will be an even greater work to follow—to go again, to “prophesy again” to all nations tongues and peoples (Rev. 10:11) before the work of the two witnesses—but with more power and with a stronger warning message. But that will be for others to do.’ He continued, ‘It will be a short work (Rom. 9:27-29), compared with the longer time to complete the work I was given, and it will be cut short. That’s when the Great Tribulation will begin, as will the work of the two witnesses. These will last for three and one-half years, at the end of which Christ will return in glory.’”

Dave Pack: I Have 2 Billion New People That I Can Destroy With My Message

Dave seems to think he has a field ripe for the harvesting with his demonic message.  Since HWA dies over 2 billion new souls have been born with 75 million new people here in the U.S.

Just think how incredibly LUCKY these 2 billion people are to have never heard of HWA!

Ponder the following. Mr. Armstrong has been gone for over 27 years. Earth’s population has grown 44 percent—from under 4.9 billion in 1986 to 7.1 billion today! Then realize that today’s Israelite nations are also much larger than in early 1986. In 2006, the United States reached 300 million, and this just 39 years after reaching 200 million (1967). Under 240 million when Mr. Armstrong died, it is 315 million today, an increase of over 75 million—just in the United States.

Let’s go further. An entire generation has died since the last true warning went to the peoples who heard and read Mr. Armstrong. And therefore incredibly great numbers were not yet born. Those who were alive, but under age 20, did not grasp any message or warning they might have heard. Thus, the GREAT MAJORITY TODAY have never been warned of what is in store for the descendants of all 12 tribes of Israel! Hundreds of millions simply have no idea what is coming on our lands, and on our peoples! Nor have they heard the awesome truth of the gospel of the kingdom of God.