Aaron Dean on Dave Pack: "I feel sorry for his people as he is demanding so much from them"

Forwarded to me tonight from a Yahoo group:

Posted By: Aaron Dean

Dave Pack appears to be using scare tactics to gain a following and grab former WCG members.  He buys web search engine spots on every other church groups name, even Lifenets and facebook pages to do what I refer to as "sheep rustling" to all familiar with HWA.  This is something HWA would never do. He then puts them down, and then says he is the true church. UCG had to buy a spot to say "This is the official UCG web site" to keep people from thinking he is it, or getting wrong information.

I feel sorry for his people as he is demanding so much from them, like asking them to borrow against their homes (and if the husband won't do it, as community property he asks the wife to borrow her half - again going against a husband is something HWA would never demand except to obey God's law. Borrowing against the family home to give to the church is not one of God's laws.  Proper respect of your husband is) and then justifying it by saying they had all things in common in Acts.  Of course that is not what Acts is about.   We had a long email exchange where he was upset with answers I gave from questions mostly from his own people, saying I was lying, but ended up justifying everything I had listed in giving answers. Obviously he felt I was keeping people from him with his claims of being so close to HWA and other issues.

Gamaliel's advice will play out on him. He does not do as Mr. Armstrong did and I pray for people who are, or will be, hurt by him.  He has a grandiose plan and needs a lot more money to complete it and many are fooled by scare tactics.

Philadelphia Church of God's Mark Nash

A reader here commented about Mark Nash of the Philadelphia Church of God and his new moon nonsense.  I decided to look the guy up and see what he said.

The very first thing that popped up was nothing about "new moons" but the fact that he was in prison for tax evasion and that PCG let him preach while out on "good behavior" weekends.

Another person of interest is Mark Nash. He is a former Navy Seal or Green Beret, with all the "talents" taught to them. He went to prison for defrauding the IRS, and yet was not even suspended while in prison. In fact, he was allowed to give sermons while on leave for "good behavior." If any member on the bottom level was similarly put away, he would be put out for putting the "church" in a bad light. After all, even deacons are supposed to be "blameless" in the world and of "good reputation." What gives? What do these men know that keeps them in the "good old boy network"? These two men, at least, have knowledge that keeps them on the "inside." Otherwise, Flurry would have disposed of them long ago. Mark Nash now teaches Physical Ed and who knows what else. ESN

If he had been a low class regular church member they would have kicked him out.  Because he was part of the "elite" they did nothing to him.

Another wonderful legacy of Armstrongism and the Philadelphia Church of God.  Flurryism rocks!

Happy 121st Birthday!

Bob Thiel wants you to know today is Herbert Armstrong's birthday.  Bob Thiel also wants you to know that TRUE Christians do NOT celebrate birthdays - they only acknowledge them.  WTH?

Like any good Armstrongite trained at Rod Meredith's feet, Debby Downer has to bring death and sex into the birthday wishes acknowledgements.

Herbert W. Armstrong was born 121 years ago, on July 31, 1892. And a lot has happened in the world since he was born. From automobiles to the space age, from paper to computers and the internet, from WWI to WWII to terrorism, from societal respect for biblical principles to abortion & homosexual marriage “rights.” There have been changes.

But “he who does the will of God abides forever” (1 John 2:17).
Even though we in the most faithful COGs actually do not celebrate (but do acknowledge) birthdays, nor do we celebrate his (see also the article Did Early Christians Celebrate Birthdays?), since many who come to this page know little about him that this would be a good time to tell a few things about him.

119 Ministries: Attracting Armstrongites Who Require the Law

Here is an interesting web site called 119 Ministries.  I have to admit it is a slick well produced site.  There are COG members that are attracted to this group.

As usual, it is a mish-mash of Armstrongism mixed in with Messianic Judaism.  The law reigns supreme along with some works based "grace."

Their videos are slick and well produced.  They put to shame anything Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry or Bob Thiel is putting out.  The videos are certainly compelling and for an Armstrongite struggling with the 700 different opinions by 700 different splinter cult leaders, I can see why some are attracted to this group. If I had to choose between this group and James Malm it would be an easy decision.

True to their Messianic roots they also wear tzitzits which you can conveniently buy from them:

E W King: My "god" is Working Mighty Miracles With Mental Telepathy

E.W. King is all giddy tonight over a miraculous event that happened in his little personality cult.  While he was holding a Bible Study in a small cabin in the mountains, 100 miles away one of his church elders had the same vision!  Woo, spooky!

Of course, King now runs the worlds best COG ever to exist.  Even Dave Pack is in impotent little pussy man compared to E. W. King and his mighty message!!!!!

This telepathic message from his god proves to King that his work is the only true work following his god.  Not Jesus mind you, but some god that likes the law.

It is absolutely AMAZING how in these Latter-days God is again filling His church with spiritual food! God is allowing New Revelations to come through the “open door” [Revelation 3:8; Isaiah 45:1]. Just to give you an example: This week some COGSR members met with me [Mr.E.W.King] and we conducted Bible studies in an upstairs room in a home located in the mountains. One day after, (after the remnant that I was visiting with went back out into this fallen world to live and proclaim the message) I called Elder Paul, who lives far away in another state. He began to inform me that he received a special revelation while in personal study and he wanted to read what he received.

 As he read I was in complete shock! The Scriptures that God showed him and how he was seeing the bigger picture, and “rightly dividing the truth”, completely agreed with the COGSR group that I myself was studying with the night before. Elder Paul received the same message we had and he is over 1000 miles away from us! 

We, the final Remnant of God, are experiencing one miracle after another! We have read in the Scriptures a passage from the prophet Joel which explains that God would feed His chosen people again with spiritual food. While other groups are experiencing a spiritual famine and drought, the true Worldwide Church of God is currently experiencing a DOWN POUR! The Latter-day Watchmen are bringing forth fruit in great abundance and are sharing [proclaiming] it with others. We are and have been inviting all who study with us to share what God is showing them. We are eager to post the revelations on this church site!

Bob Thiel Thinks Pack Has Named Him As One of the Three COG Leaders To Die

Bob Thiel, the non-ordained self-appointed leader of the Continuing Ed Church of God thinks soooooooooooooooooo highly himself and his huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge ministry that Dave Pack has surely named him as one of the three COG leaders that will die before August 31, 2013.

I can almost guarantee that Dave Pack is not considering Thiel as one of these leaders.  If Thiel were to die, who will jump ship to Dave?  15 people in Arroyo Grande and a few hundred around the world?  That minuscule number of people will NOT be bringing in huge amounts of money, so this essential puts Thiel outside the boundary of The Three. 

Thiel's so called ministry is at the bottom of the totem pole in regards to the 700 splinter groups. A few hundred members and a crappy video program does not constitute a worldwide ministry.  He has not been able to draw in any non-COG folk into his mini group.  No one cares.

Although I have not listened to David Pack’s recent sermons (and more details are in the post RCG’s David Pack declares that ‘three shepherds’ will die on August 30, 2013. Is Bob Thiel one of them?), the above seems consistent with certain statements that he has posted.

The 24th of Elul is August 30, 2013.  If I, Bob Thiel, am actually one of the three that are supposed to die, and I am supposed to die with the other two, this is even more extreme delusion on the part of David Pack.

When I learned about this, I thought I had a pretty good idea who the three might be (and conveyed that to another COG group that had interest). According to the same source that provided me the transcript, supposedly I (Bob Thiel) may be one of the three shepherds that David Pack 100% believes will die by the end of August 2013. However, as David Pack did not clearly state that in a source I have been able to verify, he, presuming I remain alive which I will be, will likely deny he was referring to me as one of the three.

If David Pack is 100% certain then I challenge him to publicly so state. I am 100% certain that I am not going to die then and hopefully this will prove to RCG supporters that he is wrong about this and many other matters. Even if I am not one of the three (and my writing this may get him to make another disparaging comment or two about me), does David Pack have the courage to name names this close to his August 30th date?

James Malm "Takes the Gloves Off" to Attack COGWA's Stance on Not Keeping New Moons

James Malm, the wanna-be prophet and leader of the TRUE remnant of the COG is really pissed that none of the COG's will listen to his new moon teaching malarkey.  Christians down through the centuries have proven that celebrating new moons and blowing trumpets are a waste of time and not relevant to a Christians' walk with God.  The only people who have found relevance in it seem to be those die-hard legalists that pretend to be Jews though they cannot keep the law as expected.

Malm, has been seeking for some time now to form his own splinter cult that will provide an income source to him.  He is doing the same thing Bob Thiel did, by setting himself up as the final authority on scripture and the law.  Like Thiel, Jesus is NOT part of Malm's conversation. Like Thiel, Malm is not ordained, which is a direct affront to what HWA taught about church leaders.

Malm demands that all of his followers observe all new moons and blow trumpets.  Then that evening they are to study their Bibles because it technically is not a "holy day."

Herbert Armstrong and the Churches of God have all determined that this "festival" is not required and Malm does not like that.  He claims HWA was influenced by pagan Hoeh and other others to think that the Karaite Jews actually preserved the Jewish scriptures.  Malm says this is not so because the Karaites are Sadducees and perverters of the word. 

Malm is particularly incensed at COGWA because it is circulating a "secret" document on new moon observance to all its ministers that says it is not required.

Malm writes:

As far as I know this COGWA paper has not been published; perhaps to keep me from critiquing it.  It has been distributed to the elders to help them fight the word of God when they are questioned by their brethren.

I am taking the gloves off with this and I do not intend to pull any punches here, as this subject is a test subject, about whether people will obey the word of God; or whether they will cleave to what they think, regardless of the facts.  

Those who reject the word of God and the facts, to follow and cleave to obvious error; are rebelling against God and his word and have the Mark of the Beast; which is rebellion against the word of God.  

This paper is consistent with the teachings of most of the COG Groups and this series is applicable to all those who follow apostate men instead of the word of God on the calendar issue.

Malm is incensed that COGWA and all the other COG's are apostates because they don't follow him, yet his is in the exact same boat as they are, by bastardizing the scriptures to fit his perverted legalistic message.

In the Church of Malm, the law trumps grace.  The law is more important than Jesus. The 10 commandments are still required, though Malm and the rest of the COG's break every single one of them every single day.

Malm continues:

Ladies and gentlemen:  Today your God is testing and proving you! whether you are diligent to obey the word of the Lord your God; or whether you will obey false teachers from the Rabbins and or the COG leaders and elders!

 Yep, your god is pissed and angry. It is testing everyone.  That seems to be the state of the COG since the day HWA apostatized from the COG7th day to set up his own splinter group.  Armstrong's god is pissed. It has been for the last 75 some years.

An acolyte asks Malm if new moons are required for salvation.  Malm says yes, now that he has told you they are, you are now held accountable.

Dear Sir, one question please. Would my salvation depend on New Moon?

Our salvation depends on doing what we know. We are commanded to learn and grow in grace [repentance] and knowledge. If we reject growth in understanding and knowledge, if we refuse to do what God reveals to us; then we stop growing and because we reject knowledge from God he will reject us, Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee”, .

Knowledge of the calendar is not a salvational issue if we do not know about it; but once we do know we no longer have the excuse of ignorance for not keeping it, and refusing to keep the new moons and High Days becomes a willful sin and most definitely becomes a salvational issue of rebellion against what we know is of God and his word. James

As a side note, it is interesting that when you type in "should a Christan observe new moons" almost all of the early sites that come up are Armstrongite splinter cults.