Spiritually Bankrupt James Malm and Bob Thiel Go Into Meltdown Over Trump Win

In last nights stunning win by Donald Trump to be the next President of the United States we expected certain COG leaders to praise Trump's win because so many COG groups tend lean to the conservative side, even though they don't vote...unless of course you are in UCG or LCG.

Trump's win also brings out the nutcases from the loony bin.  James Malm and Bob Thiel are predicting the end times to begin in 2017 and the immediate downfall of the United States.  These two liars are constantly being eaten away by conspiracy theories and idiotic end times malarkey.

No matter how you feel about Trump or Clinton, it is apparent these two men  (Malm & Thiel) represent the bottom of the barrel for Armstrongism.

James Malm had this to say:

For those who don’t know; Trump is Jesuit trained [Georgetown University] and won because of overwhelming backing by the Catholic mobilized “Christian” denominations including the Catholic Church, Evangelicals and Protestants [also supported by the COG organizations]. Trump is the choice of the Roman Catholic Church [particularly the Jesuits] to bring about the New World Order of a New Federal Catholic Europe.

Those damn evil Jesuits!  They put Joseph Tkach in office in the WCG just like they did Trump!  What is this world coming to??????

The lying Pharisee continues with this:

1.   Watch for the Neocons to now redouble efforts to take down the Islamic State and bring a confrontation with Russia as soon as they can; to set the conditions for the rise of a New Federal Europe. 

2.   Watch for the fall of the Israeli government and a broader Mideast war involving Israel against Hamas and Hezbollah and a contrived confrontation between East and West. 

3.   Watch for crises in Europe which will open the way for the setting up of a pope doing miracles in the Vatican, who will call for a New Federal Europe.

4.   Watch for Trump and the Senate to jump on the bandwagon of this pope and his call for a New Federal Europe, being eager to extricate America from the heavy obligations and expense of NATO. 

5.  Once Trump has aided the miracle worker in creating the coming New Federal Europe by giving it the assets of NATO; watch for a peace deal to be declared and for this miracle worker to go to the holy place about 75 days after being empowered; triggering the immediate occupation of Jerusalem and invasion of Judea.  

The 2,300 Day Prophecy reveals that these things could be fulfilled in 2017 or shortly thereafter!

Malm is already bitter that 99% of the COG groups think he is crazier than hell.  What really is ticking him off is that no one is pay9ing attention to him, especially since he is one of the two witless witnesses.  How dare these COG groups reject him????

6.  Watch for God’s two servants to be set up – AFTER the miracle worker in the Vatican is set up – accompanied by all the biblically described signs: Only to be rejected by the COG groups claiming that God’s servants are Satan’s agents trying to prevent them from doing their supposed 3 1/2 year Elijah work during a time between a peace deal and the tribulation. 

Because all of the COG groups reject Malm, they will not know when the tribulation begins, all because they have NO ZEAL!

Once a peace deal is reached and declared, immediate tribulation will come (1Thess 5:3, Mat 24:15).  No, there will NOT be any 3 1/2 year period before the tribulation begins; and these organizations which have absolutely NO zeal to live by every Word of God like Elijah did: Will NOT do the Elijah work of turning people to zealously live by every Word of God!

7.   Watch for the New Europe [Assur being Germany, Austria, Hungary]  to become the darling of the Islamic countries – except Egypt – (Psalm 83) by aiding them in occupying the Jewish State in the name of peace; thereby bringing a move away from the Petro-Dollar to the currency of the New Europe.  

8.   From there the dollar driven Anglo Saxon countries will spiral down into collapse as the tribulation progresses.  

Malm is either talking out of his ass again or is letting his wiccan sidekick tell him how things should be.

Then there is Almost Arrested Elisha Elijah Amos Joshua Doubly Blessed Bob Thiel.  He is just as crazy in his beliefs as Malm is.

As I have been writing since last year, a Donald Trump presidency will be apocalyptic. A President Donald Trump will do many things that will lead to the end of the USA and the start of the Great Tribulation. While that would have been true of Hillary Clinton if she won, the reality is that she lost. 

During the Feast of Tabernacles in Aurora, Illinois, I told the audience that it would be the winner of the presidential election that would be bad for the USA

• The timing of his rise in political prominence.  The 6000 years that God gave humans to run matters on their own is almost over. We in the last days of God’s plan. A day to God is like 1000 years (2 Peter 3:8; Psalm 90:4), and since it is wise to know the days (Psalm 90:12), this is a reason that Donald Trump would be apocalyptic. It may be that only one or a few presidential terms are left before the start of the Great Tribulation and the fulfillment of related prophecies in the Book of Revelation.  By virtue of his timing(as well as his actual planned and unplanned actions) are enough to contribute to the fulfillment of various end-time prophecies. 

• In 2015, Donald Trump basically said he never repented. The God of the Bible expects leaders to encourage repentance and moral behaviors when they are subject to destructive punishment (cf. Jonah 3:6-9). Donald Trump, like many other U.S. politicians, does not seem to believe that the U.S.A. needs to repent for its sins against God. Yet, without national repentance, the U.S.A. is doomed for destruction (Isaiah 30:12-13; Daniel 11:39).  Of course, people are supposed to pray for political leaders (1 Timothy 2:1-3), and that should be done irrespective if one agrees with the leader. Sometimes, leaders and/or their policies change.

• Donald Trump is an admitted adulterer, strip club and casino owner, and married a woman who was professionally engaged in pornogrpahy. By encouraging and not discouraging aspects of biblical immorality, Donald Trump is setting the U.S.A. up for punishment (Isaiah 30:12-13; Romans 1:18-32) that has and will include troubles, violence, weather problems, earthquakes, food shortages, and pestilences (Mark 13:7-8; Luke 21:10-11). The time will come when, these problems will further worsen. 

• Donald Trump repeatedly has stated that he will “make America great again.” Biblically, he has not given reasons for that to be the case. Morally, economically, and militarily, the USA has been in decline (though the military decline is still more relative to the climb of others). The Bible warns repeatedly that false declarations of peace and safety will lead to end time destruction (1 Thessalonians 5:3; Jeremiah 6:14-15).

• His religious views hint that he is somewhat ‘ecumenical.’ An ecumenical power is warned about in the Bible and is expected to rise up in the end times (Zechariah 2:6-8; Revelation 17; 18). I expect him to make ecumenical supporting statements.

Thiel then claims that the tribulation may start in 2020, but may start within one year of Trump being President.

Please realize that the Great Tribulation, itself, cannot begin until at least 2020 (and likely later than that; watch also Can the Great Tribulation begin before 2020?). It may possibly begin in a year that Donald Trump could be president.  He may well take military, economic, cultural, and other steps that could lead to it if in the presidential office by then. Ultimately, the USA will be destroyed (Daniel 11:39; Habakkuk 2:6-8).

If Donald Trump will turn to God, and more in the USA will as well, then “Perhaps there may be a lengthening of your prosperity.”

President-elect Donald Trump is apocalyptic. Pray.

In 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, the world will go on, the sun will rise on a new day and Armstrongite false prophets will still be lying and stealing money from gullible followers
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Ron Weinland Cult Imploding

There was an interesting post on the False Prophet Ron Weinland page.  He is losing members just like Flurry and Pack are.  After being told one lie after another and watching money grubbing second witness wife Laura and her money laundering daughter Audra waste their tithe money on personal items, his members are finally fed up and are walking away.

As usual Weinland is blaming his dwindling flock for his "christ" delaying its coming again and wreck havoc on the world.

• Some interesting statements from Ron’s latest sermon with a translation

  “That we’re still here. If you’re still here that is awesome ! It really is! Mighty! Because the vast majority who have had opportunity, that you’ve had opportunity to fellowship with in different areas, they’re not around any longer. ”

  Means: Almost every body has left the church. There’s almost nobody left.

  “As was stated before the exceedingly important point to note is contained in that first paragraph. There is one factor in the midst of this that would determine which date God would send His Son to rule in His Kingdom. That factor was the Church— His Church. ”

  Means: IT’S your fault the lord hasn’t come. Its not my fault that I said the wrong dates. God looked at you and changed his mind.

  “We’re still moving forward because so many have gone by the wayside”

  Means: Once everybody has left we will have reached the destination.

  “Thinking yesterday of how much I loathe human nature.”

  Means: I really don’t like people very much. In fact I loathe them.

  “The greatest part of what we’ve been called to at this end-time is in front of us. It’s ahead of us yet. So if you think you’ve been down a long road – yes, you have – and we have a little farther to go. But some of the greatest of things that many of you are going to have to face are still in the future”

  Means: Yes you still have the 2019 failure to deal with yet.

  “People are willing to blab about, talk about, demean God’s people in front of other of God’s people, to tear them down.”

  Means: I have my blinkers on so I don’t see this close to home.

  “The fact that we’re still here, it’s a miracle.”

  Means: It is a miracle that you are still here.

  “300 people?”

  Means” Whoops, I have just revealed the church membership number.

  “I wouldn’t be where I am today, at the level of where I am today, with the strength that I have today, with a boldness that I have today, with a determination that I know ”

  Means: I am being so bold and strong. That’s why I have recently been saying – I believe, I hope, I think, perhaps so much. My boldness is to be strong with provisos.

  “I think of visiting Lubbock, Texas, when we were out there. The one woman I’ve known since first started going to Salina, Kansas, probably in… had to be in 19… late 1970, possibly. Known her that long. I’m so thankful there’s one person at least that’s still with us”

  Means: There is only one member of PKG in Kansas.

  You can learn a lot from Ron. He is so good with own goals.

Top 4-5 COG Leaders Are False Prophets...So Says Bob Thiel

Almost Arrested Doubly Blessed Elisha Elijah Joshua Amos, Mayan Authority and Chief Overseer Bob Thiel is gloating about his count for numbers attending his falsely named Feast of Tabernacles.  The falsely named Continuing Church of God claims that it had 1,900 members attending this year.  Keep in mind that 1,897 of these attendees were in Africa.  He also claims he has 2,200 members in total.

The Doubly Blessed COG leader is the only splinter group leader who was never ordained as a pastor.  It should be obvious to everyone now as to why Meredith and others refused to ordain him a pastor.

Elijah Thiel seems to feel that since he was not ordained a pastor, and now has 1,897 followers in Africa, that he is now a major player in the in the continuing Church of God soap opera.  The false prophet wants everyone to know that all of the COG leaders in the larger COG's are false prophets and false leaders.  Only Amos Thiel is the true prophet and standard bearer of truth in this convoluted end times mess that the COG is in.  These other false teachers (Meredith, Flurry, Pack, Kubik, Pack) have been incapable of bearing fruit through their churches.  Only the self-appointed false prophet is capable of bearing fruit, all thanks to his double blessing.

Continuing Church of God ... 1900 people ...

This is the highest festival attendance of any church group not started by former ministers of the Worldwide Church of God.

Peter Cross' observation about the high festival attendance is correct. The other 4-5 COG groups whose leaders were once part of the old Worldwide Church of God (WCG), that are larger than the Continuing Church of God, were all started by men who were ministers in WCG.
Of course, size, of itself, is not what is important. Love, faithfulness, and truth are.
Yet, consider that Jesus taught:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.  16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?  17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.  18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.  19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:15-20)

Fruits are the way to tell true from false prophets. Thus, having the fruits of such growth in less than four years does help demonstrate that the Continuing Church of God does have the type of fruits Jesus was referring to.
Supposedly there are over 300 groups whose leaders were once part of the old WCG. Considering the rapid growth in the Continuing Church of God, our number of baptisms, and our overall size, there has truly been a difference in the amount of fruits God has allowed the Continuing Church of God help produce (cf. 1 Corinthians 3:6).

Dave Pack: How He Used Carp to To Publicly Humiliate Dale Schurter

A comment on the Dale Schurter and David C Pack: The Love Story That Wasn't

I have the shameful confession of being a member of the RCG for 7 years, from 2008 - 2015. I never knew Dale Schurter, but he spoke like a very genuine and nice fellow. It is easy to make jokes, but the reality is people in groups like the Restored Church of God are genuinely trying to do the right thing. Unfortunately the reality has nothing to do with members deluded perceptions. They (once me too) are held captive by their own shortcomings as a christian, i.e. lack of diligence in discerning the truth. The result is destroyed lives for members and their families.

With regard to the fish in the pond episode, the truth is stranger than anything you could make up. I remember sitting and listening to two sermons where Pack ridiculed Dale Schurter. The first one Pack was raging (for well over an hour) about the lack of Godly fear amongst the congregation and ministry and used the carp being put in the lake as an example of self willed arrogance, of complete ungodliness. Then a few weeks later Pack announced the culprit was Dale Schurter, and that Dale had early onset dimentia, and was being retired. No apology for the previous cursing of the man.

After I left the RCG in late 2015, I contacted several ex ministers, one of which had worked with Pack at 'headquarters' for over 10 years. He related how Pack had sanctioned the whole fish in the lake exercise, dragged all the staff away from their work to witness a cutsie ceremony at the lake, to witness the genious of 'Gods' natural means of controlling weeds in waterways.

Later when the fish had eaten all of the weed, the water turned muddy and became an eyesore, and unfit for 'Gods' headquarters. Pack now claiming complete ignorance of the ungodly act undertaken in secret by a lone perpetrator, sought a scape goat. He did so in a public and vicious manner.

Pack is simply insane, and most likely demon possessed, so his conduct is not that surprising. To me the most sickening part of this element of the RCG story, is that the whole drama was watched by dozens of 'true' christians who thought it more righteous to see an innocent man humiliated in front of the entire 'world wide' congregation, and allow an open and public lie to go unchecked, than to obey any essence of christianity or common decency.

Pack is the definition of high level narcissistic personality disorder. The 'fish in the lake' is the very tip of the iceberg concerning Pack.

Dave Pack: King of Jordan Will Soon Be Looking To Me For Guidance

God's most superfantabulous man to ever be created, after Jesus of course, is such a mighty man that the King of Jordan will soon be looking to Dave Pack for advice.  This will happen because King Hussein will remember that Dave is a "son" of Herbert Armstrong.  Dave is a "son" of HWA because Dave claims he trained at Herbert Armstrong's feet...which he did not.

Dave feels that a physical temple will soon be built in Jerusalem which he and his followers will have a part in building.   Below is his take on King Hussein saddling up to stroke Pack's ego.

God tells us that you can’t make that verse any other way but that, miraculously, the leader of Jordan, who, basically would have a thousand fatwas put out on his life the moment he lost control of the Temple Mount...He has the 91-year sacred custodianship duty to protect the Temple Mount. I would go so far as to suggest that maybe, maybe among men, this righteous king…He is a good and decent man—He personally knew Mr. Armstrong; Mr. Armstrong knew him...He may well be shown by God, “Leave the Temple Mount alone.” But now God would have to guarantee his life, because the moment he did that, he is a “dead man walking.” He might live another five minutes.

There is some reason why the leader of Jordan is uniquely spared, and we are told that he is. That will become more apparent a little bit later, but I wanted to bring it up in context with Psalm 83, because it is a lot of the same players. We will have to learn, a little bit later, more about why he might be protected…but he is a unique person.

It’s interesting, by the way, that there is an elder in one of the big splinters who used to run the Jordanian Embassy under the Ambassador. He ran an embassy in Cameroon, then he was in the State Department. He retired about five years ago. He graduated from Ambassador College in the mid-1970s. He knows King Abdullah as well as I know most of you.

One wonders if the son of King Hussein, known well to Mr. Armstrong, would come in contact with the “son” of Mr. Armstrong—he is my father in the gospel—how that might play out. I will just drop that seed. There are some things to mention, here momentarily, but that’s enough, because I wanted you to see this. Let’s keep reading. This is important.

Dave Pack: My Sermons Are So Astounding I Can Never Out Do Myself

Leave it to Dave Pack to set himself up for yet another failure.  Dave has started publishing the transcripts to his mind numbing series of sermons that he has given over the  last couple of years.

Dave has now started posting the many sermons transcripts that tell the story of how he sees the end times coming about.  This first sermon is the most astounding sermon that mere mortals will ever hear!

Now, that said, I am quite certain I have never given, maybe never will…but I have never given a sermon and a Bible study that is as important as this one. I would say even no chance of one more important. This will be a game-changer in many regards.

Pack wants everyone to know what a special mind he has, one that is so incredibly fabulous that it can come with sermons that will be delivered 20-30 years later. Dave's latest endless sermons series actually started decades ago as he was training at Herbert Armstrong's feet.

Thirty-three years ago, I got an idea for a sermon, and some of it was born from a discussion with Mr. Armstrong, but I can remember it was about 1982. I wrote down the title of a sermon I wanted to give, and I put it in my files. I think I actually wrote a couple different sermons at that point. We grabbed one. It never matured.

Now, most of you don’t know. I have a system different from all the other men I ever knew. It was just a system that worked for me. I wanted to have a tremendous amount of material ready to go whenever it was time to deliver a sermon, so I would often, and many, many times…most of my ministry, in fact… deliver sermons that I had conceived years before. I would wait until the sermon “ripened”…and sometimes, it could be as much as 20 or 30 years after the idea had come to me before I would give a sermon.

So I have files…actually, of hundreds of sermons…that Mr. Herzog keeps now of sermons I have never given, in various stages of development. As I would get more material, I would throw it into a folder. My folders, just…probably, “this big” [gestures with hands] of ideas I’ve never given, and “this big” of those I have, not counting the extraneous material that I carry up with me.

But I wanted the idea. I’ll often write down a sermon title. But…a sermon can be born on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, and then delivered on the Sabbath…or it can go back 30 years. I actually have ideas in my files that go back to when I was a student—almost 50 years. I’m 49 and a half years in God’s way, and I’d heard an idea mentioned, once upon a time…I didn’t want to be boring. I wanted my sermons to be interesting, and I learned quickly, when I worked on speeches longer, they were more interesting; less…not so much, and so that gave birth to a system……

 Is there no end to the narcissism the man is consumed with?

Dave is such an outstanding theologically educated man, who has now on his own, has summed up every single theme in the bible and boiled it all down "...to a few summary statements or topics."

The Bible can be reduced to a few summary statements or topics. It’s a book about government. This much I knew a third of a century ago, when I first began thinking about this subject…what I’m going to mention.

It’s about law. They are somewhat inseparable, but they are different.

Centuries of theological discussions in seminaries, colleges, councils, churches, and classrooms has been totally worthless because Dave has been able to do it all on his own.  Two thousands years of church history, endless discussions and debate are nothing compared to the outstanding mind of Dave Pack.

How can anyone sit there in his church and believe this bullshit?

From The Greatest Story Never Told

Which COG False Prophet Is The Biggest Liar? Pack, Thiel, Malm, Meredith, Flurry, Wienland, Cox?

Dave Pack released his timeline on how he thinks his god is going to bring about the end times.  His god still has not killed three COG leaders.

Gerald Flurry's his timeline includes capturing the Stone of Scone and digging up the Ark of the Covenant buried in Ireland so he can give it to his "jesus" when it comes back to sit on the coronation chair in Westminster Abbey.

James Malm has declared that his god is going to start whipping some zeal into the Laodicean sinners  butts in the next couple of years.

Almost Arrested Elisha Elijah Amos Joshua Bob Thiel has his god coming back anytime from 2020 and on.

Every prophecy that Rod Meredith has ever uttered has been an abject failure.

Felon Ron Weinland, his dingy second witless witness wife Laura and his money laundering children who are now prophets.  Everyone of his lies has failed since 2008.

Not to be left out of this scatological mix is false prophet Wade Cox.  His prophetic time lines are just as stupid as Dave Pack's. He writes:

"It thus becomes obvious that the Witnesses and Christ have to be here, at the very latest, from 2019 and perhaps even the year earlier in 2018 due to the treble harvest requirements in 2025.

"We know for a fact that the Bible tells us that the two Witnesses will stand in Jerusalem for 1260 days and then be killed and lie in the streets for three days and then be resurrected. We also expect the conversion of Judah and the remnant of Levi prior to Messiah’s subjugation of the planet. 

"We know that the Wars of the End have already started from the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, as we foretold in the paper. In the audio, it is clearly stated that the wars would start in 2001. The Times of the Gentiles ended in 1996. The Last Thirty Years began in 1997. This sequence was marked by eclipses. There was a total eclipse of the moon at Passover and Tabernacles in the anniversary year of 1996. Then in 1997 there was a partial eclipse of the moon at Passover and a total eclipse at Tabernacles. In 1997, there was also a total eclipse of the sun on 1 Abib or Nisan and a partial eclipse of the sun on 1 Tishri. These sequential eclipses are not coincidences. They also work to the Temple Calendar according to the conjunction and not the Hillel Calendar from the Babylonians. There is a complete time-cycle between 1997 and 2015. The cycles in this period are marked by these eclipses. This time-cycle and the following period will be the most dramatic in the history of the world. The next period is the twelve years to the Jubilee return of the nations. This is the completion of the Second Exodus of Isaiah chapter 66.

"The demons themselves, and their sun system, have placed 2012 as the last year of their system and authority, and the New Cycle commences from this date. We know that their system has to end because the coming of the Witnesses, with the senior witness Elijah, sees him Restore all Things which means, among other things, he has to restore the nexus of the Law which Satan had broken at the close of Eden at the beginning of the First Jubilee 120 Jubilees ago, in 3974 BCE.

"2012 is the Sabbath Year of this fifth cycle. In that year the Law of God had to be read again for the third time prior to execution of judgment on this system. 

"War has already started and the Beast system has to grow stronger and take over the World’s systems of Government under what they call the New World Order. This system continues now under Satan and his followers on the Earth from 2012 when the Law of God is read and explained and implemented for the Third time. The False Prophet and the Antichrist will continue to develop from now until the coming of the Messiah."

Everyone of these liars have had to reset dates time after time when their god fails to do what they claim it is going to.  The turn all of these around into "spiritual" fulfillment's, which means you can't see the things happening, but his god can.

It is written that God does nothing unless He warns the people through His servants the prophets beforehand.

We have told the sequence of the prophets for many years and we will continue to do so.

The wise virgins continue to be prepared and the Church of God warns the Nations that Christ is coming and besiegers (watchers come from a distant land (Jer. 4:15)).

The Table of the eclipses is listed below. Following that is the Ancient Temple Calendar as published by CCG and then the Hillel Calendar, which shows the problems involved and why they only have half the story. 

The Signs in the Heavens will entail more than this sequence of the eclipses and we will examine the others aspects in further detail.

The sequence of prophecy that Cox believes is just as worthless as Dave Pack's. It is guaranteed to never come to pass.  Of course it should always be brought out that God has never spoken to these boys.  All they do is look back in time to find things that fit their timeline and then claim it came to pass just as they said.  Liars all.