Dave Pack: [Ex-members] are people who sin a sin unto death. They start beating us, and giving up all the "laws of God" and go out and get drunk with drunks...But, they ain't all bad...

JC with his peeps...sinners, prostitutes, tax collecters, and other unclean people

From an RCG source:

Part 290 - Friday February 26th

Everyone With Us Go First!

“And I'm trying to be ever more careful to not have opinions. I'm convinced that there are people who leave this church and they are saints, and at the same time, they were expelled from the church by God, Who said, "If they're here last, they're going first and they're not going first." So you and I have to be very careful that we don't assume we won't spend all eternity with those people.

That's a sobering, and a very wonderful thing to think about. I'm trying to be more careful than ever because it's easy to fall into, "They left us, they're gone." Well I guess you could begin to say, there are people who sin a sin unto death. They start beating us, and giving up all the "laws of God" and go out and get drunk with drunks. Then it doesn't look good for them, from what I see. But a lot of them don't do that.

Now, they may not go with another group, but they may go home and don't know what to do. Because after you've been here, and you're disenchanted here, for some reason, no other group works very well. And those people bounce, because they go in and they see all kinds of collapsed standards, all kinds of problems, all kinds of dress, all kinds of attitudes, all kinds of beliefs and too proud to come back. They'll often go home, say, "wow, it was, it was really bad. It's kind of like what I heard" and you, and I might say, well, "Why don't they come back?" And the answer is, They're not going first, but even if they go home and doesn't necessarily mean that they're still trying to tithe, they're going to go somewhere for the Feast or hold onto their beliefs, don't judge them. If you can wallow with hogs and whores and blow your inheritance and get eternal life, then we shouldn't give up on them, like the prodigal son I'll return to my father. And when he did that, he was in a real bad state.

So I thought it was, It would be encouraging to think of it from that perspective. There are people who are leaving and I see it differently now. If you're here at the end, meaning you heard all of this, you're "going first." Some may have been blessed at the 1335, they accepted all of that, others maybe have to sign on and understand more things and then they are, and there are others who just, they bolt. But that doesn't mean they bolted and dove into the Lake of Fire or into the furnace or they're going to be destroyed by, by the God who is a consuming fire. A fiery indignation, you know, all the verses. 

 

It may just mean, God said, I can't. I made a promise in the scriptures over and over. If they're here at the last, they made it through the whole long, difficult, wonderful, but sometimes painful process. They're "going first" end of story. So you cannot have anybody here at the end who's not going to go first, or it wasn't a true statement. Took me a long to figure that out, that everybody who goes out isnt a "mocker and a scoffer" who wants to run after their own lusts. Not everybody's the same. And again, I hope that I hope that is encouraging to understand. 

 

So truly "The Mystery of God" is unfolding. Maybe it's better to say the "Mystery of God is Truly Unfolding." It is partially at least about how these two awesome beings work together in all they do as they work with us.”

Comment: In order to soothe the remaining membership, Dave claims, those who left his church actually could still “make it” and wouldn’t be destroyed by his god. That said, if you become a mocker, scoffer, run after your own lusts (e.g. not give all your money up in “common”) “beat RCG,” leave the diminishing and corrupt Armstrongist movement, or get drunk (?) then you will be destroyed by his god. That said, you still need to be in Dave’s version of the “True Church” to be saved, so basically copying Catholic theology. 

Gerald Flurry: "The PCG has the New Throne of David and the New Stone of Destiny. That’s putting us in a pretty close proximity to God.” "

 

From Exit and Support Network

I had the “honor” to listen to Pt. 3 of his sermon “Where are We in Bible Prophecy?” and it was all I could stomach to listen to a few parts. He is getting crazier by the day. He focused on nothing but Tribulation, wrath, punishment, death, how many are going to die, how there won’t be many left, Germany is going to strike and kill, etc. I don’t know how members can sit there week after week and listen to this bull crap doom and gloom. 

Young Herbie at the rock

He said the Prayer Rock they are in possession of is “a symbol of Jesus Christ.” (A rock in the Bible is a symbol of Christ but not HWA’s prayer rock! As mentioned in the article Idolatry in the PCG, this rock is nothing but blatant idolatry!) 

 

Here are some other things he said: 

 

“Who are we that God would entrust us to deliver this message to this world and especially three nations of Israel and God’s Laodicean church most of all. The PCG has the New Throne of David and the New Stone of Destiny. That’s putting us in a pretty close proximity to God.” 

 

He was downright arrogant when he started criticizing Evangelicals and saying, “How much do those people who are following Trump–how much do they know about their Bible? You could almost say zero. They are getting further away from God all the time.” (Who is getting further from God? Isn’t it GF?) “We have to learn you can’t follow a puny little man [i. e., Trump]” (And who is following puny little Gerald Flurry??) “They don’t obey much of anything in the Bible. They don’t obey God and they don’t want to obey God. But they will follow Jeroboam [i. e., Trump] And that’s their great sin.” (What about those who are following GF? Isn’t that a great sin?) 

 

He raised his voice when he said, “God’s wrath is on this nation!” and “This is a strong message that we have to deliver to these people!”

Dave Pack: It All Comes Down to “Common” and "if people just "give up everything" they're going to "make it." "

...and then, you too shall be saved FIRST!

 

From an RCG source:

It All Comes Down to “Common” 

 

“We're a church, unlike any others, who "sold all" and "gave it all up," others don't. That's the single chief reason we're "going first," because people who will do that, are going to do the other things God says. Not because He says "give me your money and I don't care what you do." People who will do that, all the warnings about love of money, your life doesn't consist of the abundance of things you possess, beware of covetousness, all those warnings, if people just "give up everything" they're going to "make it." Now, some can do that, and then fall backward and hopefully God can fit them in "second," if you will. We'll see how all of that works.” 

 

Comment: While money can be the root of all evil, there are many examples of biblical figures using money properly. There are many things that Christians are required to do, but “selling all” and giving it to your church hierarchy is not in the Bible. There is hope though, even if you gave everything to Dave, but still decided he is a false prophet, maybe god can still fit you in second, so that’s good news! 

Dave Pack: When this series is over you will receive Eternal Life

 

From an RCG source:

“Dumb Enough to Leave…” 

 

“But there's people who are dumb enough to leave now! Cause it's "taking too long." No matter how many times Mr. Pack says, "Be patient, Be patient." They don't care. It's "taking too long!" and they leave, they don't care. "I'll give it a little longer" and they do, or they don't, and maybe they'll give up and they quit. They don't keep the word of "my patience." And if He's [Father] coming with Christ, then you gotta be patient. You have need a patience. Eventually you reached this point where its just a little while, "yet a little while" and we'll receive the promise, which is eternal life. When this series is over.”

Comment: To be clear, there are two messages in this comment. The first is, Dave is the one telling his members that Christ will return on a particular date. He isn’t telling them to be patient, he is the one who is setting the expectation and then after it passes, he makes these claims of “just be patient.” This is called “gaslighting.” Secondly, he claims the members will receive eternal life, when the series is over. The latest expectation was that the series was finished this past Saturday, so, I guess it’s not finished yet?

COG False Prophet Upset Over WorldNetDaily Messianic Jewish Writer

 

I guess I should not be surprised that many COG leaders get their news off WorldNetDaily. It reinforces their paranoia about everything going wrong in the world around them. They need WND to support their endtime garbage scenarios. 

One predominant writer on the site is a Messianic Jew and regularly writes about the Jewish Holy Days tying them into Christianity. This delights some COG leaders as it is proof that others also recognize that the Jewish holy days are required for Christians, but not all of them. One person, in particular, is rather pissed that Mark Blitz has published a new book, Everything you need to know about Passover. Blitz's new book makes mincemeat of Almost-arrested, doubly blessed, Amos, Joshua, witless witness, Bwana Bob Thiel, the great savior to Africa and 299 Caucasians, and the prophet is not happy!

The Great Bwana, the worlds greatest theologian, and authority on the Bible writes:

While I am glad that Mark Biltz believes Christians should keep the biblical Holy Days, he is not one I have much theological confidence in. 

Neither does 99.99% of the Church of God in Bwana Bob. His theological mumbo-jumbo is an embarrassment to the true believers in the church. Never has a COG leader been so unqualified to be leading a COG than Bwana Bob. That is the reason he had to self-appoint himself as a COG leader as COG leaders were never going to and the membership certainly did not raise him up and support him. 

Regular readers of this page likely remember him, as I often denounced his position on blood moons, the solar eclipse of 2017, the ‘super blue blood moon’ of 2018 and 2019, and other matters. 

 

Mark Biltz has proven to be a false prophet.

Just as Bwana Bob has been proven to be a false prophet in the COG empire. The COG has never had such a pathetic slate of false prophets in its midst as it does in 2021. 

The words greatest theological continues with this:

So, why bring anything up about Mark Biltz now? 

 

Well, basically because of two reasons. 

 

First, some falsely believe that if someone promotes the Sabbath or the biblical Holy Days, they are credible leaders. That is simply not the case. So-called Messianic Jews like Mark Biltz misunderstand much about church history, doctrine, and prophecy. 

Well it that isn't the pot calling the kettle black! Whoah boy! Just because a false self-appointed COG leader like Bob claims to promote the Sabbath and holy days does not make him a credible COG leader. Since he is blatantly ignorant about New Covenant theology or anything about Jesus Christ, it stands to reason as to why Bwana Bob is so spiritually bankrupt and not credible. 

The second, however, is that Mark Biltz is correct that Christians should keep the Passover and biblical Holy Days, though I do not believe him to be an actual expert on those subjects.

Bwana Bob is not an expert on the Bible either, and most certainly is NOT an expert or even qualified to discuss the New Covenant and its theology.