Friday, March 15, 2013

A New Pope Is Elected and COG Conspiracy Nuts Have A Field Day


A pope has resigned and a new pope has been elected. The anti-Catholic crowd has been whipped into a frenzy lately with all the goings on.  From conservative Evangelicals to the far right Armstrongites, it has been one conspiracy after another.

Of course none are more fascinating or as weird as those put forth by the conspiracy whores in Armstrongism.  If they spent as much time being Good Samaritans as they do  pissing out weird conspiracy's then the world might be a better place. However, it is far more convenient for them to reveal some hidden knowledge that they can pass on as "truth" to their dwindling acolytes.


From the chief COG conspiracy whore, the non-ordained self -appointed prophet Thiel.  This by far has to be one of the worst videos Thiel has done.  It's laughable on how bad it is!  

I just cannot image that Thiel supposedly has taken between 150-200 LCG members into his group.  How can they sit there and listen to these incredibly bad videos ever Saturday in some house church.  How humiliating it must be for the kids of these adults to have been ripped away from their friends so their parents can sit and listen to a lunatic preach to them.


From apostle Malm's blog there are these gems:

"While this man is coming across as a lamb speaking the words of the dragon; he is 76 with health issues and his name does not come out to the scriptural 666; which is the number of a MAN."
 "While this man Francis could be empowered at the appointed time, and even his papal name might be changed due to that event; It is just as possible that he will be a short term leader.
I will not be convinced until a man [either this man or another man]  is empowered as the scriptures say.

Counting back 1,290 days as per Dan 12; from the closest future sixth day of ULB; the abomination COULD be empowered in early Oct:  IF IF IF this is the year."

"Very interesting, the new pope is a Jesuit ( a “black”) pope."

From Herbert Armstrong imitator Gerald Flurry

Pope Francis: What the Mainstream Media Doesn’t Know

The Internet and Twitterverse is awash with news about the new pope. Few people really understand what the papal election was really about. But Bible prophecy explains what is happening. Here is the real scoop.

In his February 28 Key of David telecast, “Why Did The Pope Resign,” Gerald Flurry said that we couldn’t understand why the pope resigned without an understanding of the history and prophecy of Europe. “There are many educators and leaders and media personalities that feel certain that they know,” he said, “but I think very few of them do because they don’t understand the history of the Holy Roman Empire, not to mention the history of the Bible or Bible prophecy.”

The pope emeritus has a main goal, Mr. Flurry continued, that we can only understand by looking at the history and prophecy of the Holy Roman Empire. The pope resigned because he wants to ensure a very pro-Holy Roman Empire pope is installed.
In the same telecast, Gerald Flurry quoted a Spiegel article entitled “Exhausted in the Vatican: the final battles of Pope Benedict xvi.” The article pointed out that as of at least eight months ago the pope and the Curia were already looking for a successor to Benedict.

Both the Vatican Curia and the pope emeritus want the new pope to bring unity and peace to the warring factions within the Vatican—so it can focus on uniting Europe under the banner of the Catholic Church.
 In his February 28 Key of David telecast, Gerald Flurry said, “[I]nsiders of the Vatican, or the Catholic Church, I should say, and perhaps even in the Vatican … have spoken out, mainly a couple who are Catholics and authorities on Catholicism, and they said, one on Laura Ingram’s talk radio show, and one on Fox News, and they said that Pope Benedict wanted the time to influence who the next pope would be. They said that themselves, that he wanted to influence who the next pope was going to be. Well, now, why would he want to do that? Why would that be so important to this pope? 
“Well, now, there’s a specific reason, and that is he wants to unite the Holy Roman Empire, as many other Europeans do, and this pope has that, I believe, as his primary goal, and he feels he can have a great influence on the next pope that is chosen, who will be a man that he believes can control the Vatican and bring Europe together into what we know as the Holy Roman Empire” (emphasis added).
The final resurrection of the seventh head of the Holy Roman Empire is ready to burst onto the world scene in an amazing way. This is what this is all about. Francis i just very well may be the last pope before the return of Jesus Christ. Of course, time will tell. But in the same telecast, Gerald Flurry said the seventh head of the Holy Roman Empire is about to appear, and events in Europe and the world are about to dramatically turn for the worse.

The installation of Pope Francis is about the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and the return of Jesus Christ—the best headline a newspaper could ever have a privilege to print and proclaim.
As Gerald Flurry has explained, this pope will enact a two-pronged strategy: unite the Vatican first, and then move to unite Europe under the banner of the Holy Roman Empire.

That is the real scoop.

 "Let’s not forget the strong ties the Nazi regime has to Argentina."

"The new pope is a member of the Jesuit order. So are Eurocrats like Mario Draghi and Von Rompuy. This order is colloquially known as GOD’S MARINES! They are a militant and dedicated lot to the church."

"“His shy demeanor and humble personality, however, indicate that he may likely remain a puppet of the Pope Emeritus instead of becoming the final Vatican strongman himself”.

That, or Pope Emeritus, just may come out of “retirement” and once again take over the reins of the Vatican."

"We have another Warlord in place, this time in the Vatican!

So far we have at least the following Warlords in place:

1) Jesuit Warlord of the Catholic Church, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, now hiding as Pope Francis.
2) Jesuit Warlord of Europe, Herman Achille Van Rompuy, President of the European Council.
3) Jesuit Warlord of the European Central Bank, Mario Draghi.
4) Jesuit Warlord of Italy, Mario Monti.
5) Jesuit Warlord of Spain, Mariano Rajoy.

Do you see a pattern evolving here? My questions are, “Where will the NEXT Warlord surface? ” and “How long before they combine forces and plunge the world into another World War? “ "

" Pope Emeritus Ratzinger is the puppet master and Pope Francis Bergoglio is the puppet. Emeritus is behind/out of sight of the puppet shown to the audience. This dynamic duo of a war time pope and a pro-europe latino pope will become very colluded on the day of the blitzkrieg against Iran, Egypt, Libya, & Ethiopia. Then in sequence… , how many european catholics will shed a tear when their fellow american catholics are nuked with the pope’s blessing. Hosea 5:13."

"If the U.S. is overthrown, as the Bible prophesy clearly tells us, by the EU Holy Roman Empire, it would need a strong South American Catholic partner to accomplish it effectively. It seems to me that could be where the land invasion forces come from. Seems practical and reasonable from a military perspective?"

"One step closer to the return of Jesus Christ! That is the best news ever.

Just imagine reading the front page of the newspaper, Jesus Christ has returned!"
"The man is Italian… OK so he lives in South America… he is Italian He is Jesuit, a member of God’s Marines. He may look like a lamb but having studied in Germany he is well suited for the position he now holds. So, who among you know the meaning of “God’s Marines” and why their vesture is BROWN? It is not because the old potato sacks were brown."

Living Church of God debunks and takes a swipe at non-ordained self appointed prophet Thiel's absurd fascination with Malachy's prophecies.  LCG's stance is far more benign than many COG's, though they still think the Catholic Church is the great whore and is seeking to being Protestants back into the fold at the end times.  This is also what has pissed off apostle Malm and prophet Thiel.  Both think the LCG has become wishy-washy in it's message

For hundreds of years, each new Roman Catholic pontiff has been eyed against a famous document called the “Prophecy of St. Malachy.”  Malachy’s “prophecies” have often seemed so broad and vague that it has been a challenge to figure out how each might apply.  Pope Benedict XVI supposedly corresponded to “Glory of the Olive.” After him, the next man in Malachy’s list is called “Petrus Romanus.”
No doubt, speculations will seek to tie Francis I to this old prophecy. Others will point out that there may be innumerable men between “Glory of the Olive” and “Petrus Romanus.” In any case, especially when we consider that John Paul I lasted in office for just 33 days in 1978, there is no reason to assume that Francis I will be the final pope before Christ’s return.

We should also note that, although this famous list of future popes was long ago attributed to a 12th century monk, scholars now assume it was forged in 1590 by someone supporting Cardinal Girolamo Simoncelli as Pope Urban VII’s successor. Malachy gave Urban VII’s successor the motto “From the Old City”—which would fit very well with Simoncelli’s hometown of Orvieto, known widely as “the Old City” at that time. However, the pope who was in fact elected, Gregory XIV, was from Somma Lombardo, a region not even recognized as a city until the 20th century.


33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bob Thiel is actually having an each way bet. He doesn't say this new Pope is definitely the last one, just that it might be. In other words, it's not really a prophecy but a guess, and a useless one as only time will tell.

Velvet said...

I never, ever, heard this nuttiness about "the prophecy of Malachy" when I was growing up in the Church. Maybe it was an American thing? Or a Flurry thing? John Paul II was supposed to be the Antichrist because of the NWO/One World Religion he was pushing, but that didn't happen, and none of his successors have even remotely come close to that at all (if anything, it's been the opposite).

We really didn't waste our time talking about the Catholics or the Protestants in the Church, when I was growing up; why would we? We were neither, and had our own faithfulness to hold up. I'm not saying we did that well, mind you, but the pagan religions were not really on our radar, on a weekly Sabbath basis, beyond the literature and the WT program.

Anonymous said...

Actually, Pope Frank the Mexican seems like a cool guy. Just don't touch his stuff...or he'll kill ya.

Anonymous said...

That false prophet Flurry claimed that Pope Benedict would be the last Pope because of his German roots and background. When his false prediction failed he just shifts gears and no one really notices. Many of his sheep are in a virtual coma.

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

The following was posted on my Facebook page on Wednesday, March 13, 2013:

I am wondering if the leaders and members of a certain doomsday end time religious cult that will remain nameless are having a tizzy fit over the naming of a Pope from South America. It certainly does not fit their long proclaimed (and miserably failed) prophetic scenarios over the years - rich in the Adventist tradition I might add.

END OF FACEBOOK POST

MY COMMENT - I am glad to see the crackpots from my family's former Sabbatarian Church association haven't let me down. I guess this makes me as much of a prophet as Bob Thiel. But, it was sooooo easy to predict their tizzy fit over the new Pope.

I have a suggestion for all the ACOGs. In the future,when you make these prophetic scenarios, why don't you tell the principle players involved about their roles in your Bible prophecy senario games?

As a boy, I grew up believing the Germans would be starting the Great Tribulation by dropping bombs on America in January, 1972. After all, that was what was preached by the WCG. In hindsight, I now realize Mr. Armstrong made one critical mistake in his prophetic senario leading to "1975 in Prophecy" and the return of Jesus Christ.

Question: What was Mr. Armstrong's mistake?

Answer: HE FORGOT TO TELL THE GERMANS THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO ATTACK THE USA IN JANUARY, 1972.

Instead of bombs dropping on America, death, mayhem, chaos the real significance of January, 1972 as stated by Mr. Armstrong in a letter immediately following the failed prophecy was ADVERTISING IN READERS DIGEST!

So, my advice to the Splinter ACOGS is to COMMUNICATE your prophetic senarios to the principle players involved so they know what they are suppose to do to fulfill your Bible prophecy (as I write this sentenance with laugh). Yeah right, Pope Francis and the Chancellor of Germany want to sit down with Gerald Flurry and enjoy a beer together.

Richard

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

Gerald Flurry is quoted as saying, "Pope Benedict wanted the time to influence who the next pope would be. They said that themselves, that he wanted to influence who the next pope was going to be. Well, now, why would he want to do that? Why would that be so important to this pope? "

MY COMMENT - Ironically, in my mind, Pope Benedict was acting more responsibly than Pope Herbert W. Armstrong who had no succession plan. Success without a successor is failure, and that is what the irresponsible Herbert Armstrong failed to do, and there is no longer an Ambassador College and 700+ splinter groups from the WCG as a result.

Pope Benedict acted more responsibly over his Church than Pope Armstrong did over the WCG

Richard

Anonymous said...

At least LCG has someone able and willing to identify that the Malachy prophecy is totally irrelevant. Now if they would only apply such honest research and disclosure regarding their false doctrines!

Assistant Deacon said...

To Lake of Fire's point, you wonder what Flurry's succession plan is. His son? Please.

Joe Moeller said...

This Pope will be replaced, of course.

When one Pope goes, another one POPES up in his place!

Luv,
Joe Moeller
Cody, WY

PS- Joe Moeller , the Wyoming Prophet makes a prediction too! ---

QUESTION : What will happen if Pope Benedict XVI (age 85) gets any older?

ANSWER: He will become the Republican nominee for President!

Anonymous said...

Velvet wrote: "We really didn't waste our time talking about the Catholics or the Protestants in the Church, when I was growing up; why would we?"

Are you sure we're talking about the same organization here - the old Worldwide Church of God? I hardly remember a sermon where a swipe was not taken at either Catholic or Protestant doctrines. It seems spiritual comas are nothing new to COG members!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:00 AM wrote: "At least LCG has someone able and willing to identify that the Malachy prophecy is totally irrelevant. Now if they would only apply such honest research and disclosure regarding their false doctrines!"

But don't you know that it's the sole province of COGdom to turn a critical eye of ridicule and subsequently dismiss OTHER PEOPLE'S doctrines, and never their own? This is, and has always been, a vital characteristic of COG theology.

Leonardo said...

"I just cannot image that Thiel supposedly has taken between 150-200 LCG members into his group. How can they sit there and listen to these incredibly bad videos ever Saturday in some house church."


I agree - though I would dispute those numbers, from whatever source they originate. For the life of me, I cannot remotely comprehend that anyone armed with even half a brain could be impressed by these extremely low-quality, moronic videos based on nothing but his own nutty speculations about biblical prophecy Thiel continues to churn out. But then again, typical COG members have never been known for their accurate scholarship or insightful critical thinking abilities. Their minds, rather, have been severely dulled, often by decades of experience, to hone in on religious looniness, then support it as if their eternal lives depended on it.

That's why the continual spin-off groups, no matter how amateurish they are, will always have an eager audience ready to send in their tithes and offerings.

But 150-200 for an obvious pseudo-scholar like Bob Thiel? I really doubt it unless someone can provide persuasive evidence to the contrary. Though on the other hand, I've learned to never underestimate the stupidity of COG followers.

Joe Moeller said...

As I understand it, Thiel is making claim to some who are in the poorest parts of Africa.

Anyone who knows the area will tell you, that virtually every COG group in Africa will tell any all COG group in the USA that they "are a part of their group".

Thus some Africa groups are "a part of" MANY USA COG groups!

They do this to get whatever aid that they can get. Cant say that I blame them, as these groups are living life at near subsistence and need all the help that they can get.

A few hundred dollar donations can buy any one of us the claim to "Thousands of Brethren Now Following Me".

Don't be impressed. I doubt that Thiel has as many as 10 people in the USA who are his "followers". He was not that well liked amongst LCG members, and was always nothing more than a one man band, who attended a tiny video group in a small , remote , California community.

Joe Moeller
Cody, WY

Anonymous said...

Relative to Gerald Flurry, comment was made that: "...The final resurrection of the seventh head of the Holy Roman Empire is ready to burst onto the world scene in an amazing way. This is what this is all about. Francis i just very well may be the last pope before the return of Jesus Christ. Of course, time will tell. But in the same telecast, Gerald Flurry said the seventh head of the Holy Roman Empire is about to appear, and events in Europe and the world are about to dramatically turn for the worse..."

Well, Gerald Flurry will die before any 7th head of the Beast, not to mention that 8th head, appears b/c the context of scriptures regarding that 7th head will not occur until Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit.

Despite the speculation, at least the comment was made that: "...Of course, time will tell..."

And it will...

John

Anonymous said...

Oh, goody- We have a Pope-pourri of Pope-comments!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh, goody- We have a Pope-pourri of Pope-comments!z'

I thought that's what you got when you put the Pope in a blender? Pope Puree....ohhhhhh, pourri!! Nevermind!

Velvet said...

Anon @ 10:12 AM

We are discussing the same Church, but there were great variances from region to region. From everything I've heard over the last few years, it seems to me the Canadian Church was much more moderate than either the Americans or the Brits...which is why the sermons from "evangelists" from the latter two countries always seemed to stick out like a sore thumb, and NOT to be close to what we were hearing, on a weekly basis.

That said, there was a lot of "end times" talk, but tht was part of the Church's error. And as I said, John Paul II was supposed to be the Antichrist...and wasn't. Armstrong was supposed to live until the Kingdom...and didn't.

But, mostly, it was sermons on how to live one's daily life, following Jesus...and making sure to discern the errors that had crept into the world's religions.

I never heard anything even remotely close to the stuff that Gary posts on this blog, when I was growing up.

Byker Bob said...

Once again, we get to witness the power of suppository thinking, courtesy of our favorite FUBAR heretical cult!

Better than satire!

BB

Leonardo said...

Joe Moeller wrote: "Thus some Africa groups are "a part of" MANY USA COG groups!"


Yes, I can see how that could be the case. I know David Hulme has done that in the past, making a big thing over several folks or families from some remote and very poor parts of Africa "joining" his small little group. That way he can claim the work it does is one of "international scope."

Velvet wrote: "We are discussing the same Church, but there were great variances from region to region."

That indeed is quite true. I first started attending church services in Michigan back in the mid '70's, and I remember the "Protestant bashing" was fairly constant. Perhaps a lot of our experiences in the WCG, as you point out, had a lot to do with the personal approach of individual ministers pastoring varying geographical regions.

Assistant Deacon said...

According to the flags collected on the front page of this blog, NO2 has reached 199 countries with his message.

If that doesn't make Thiel flail those arms, nothing will.

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

Assistant Deacon said, "According to the flags collected on the front page of this blog, NO2 has reached 199 countries with his message."

MY COMMENT - That means the Gospel about HWA has now been preached around the world as a witness to all nations, AND then the end will come!

Richard

Richard said...

Have any of the conspiracy theorists noted the current U.S. Supreme Court is majority-Catholic?

Anonymous said...

Have any of the no-conspiracy theorists noted everything is controlled by the Zionists?

That would be Hollywood, the senate, the media, the congress, the White house, google, youtube (I think), MTV, Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, and much, much more.

The Catholics have the supreme court and the Zionists have everything else. Who's winning?

Hell, if the Germans controlled all that I run back to a COG!

Anonymous said...

When I was growing up in WCG in the 60's and 70's there was lots of discussion about 'the Beast' and the abomination of desolation, and the anti-christ who would be a pope and able to heal and even raise the dead. This was when the EU was being formed and the counting started -- up to 10. When it went over 10, well they tried to amalgamate some countries or say some would leave. They said Britain didn't belong there because it was part of Israel, and would be leaving at some point and would eventually become slaves to the Germans. The pope would move to Jerusalem in an attempt to provide peace to the Middle East, and then the abomination of desolation would occur -- probably the sacrifice of a pig. None of the popes seemed to be powerful enough to fit the role, but they pinpointed a German leader who might become the beast -- FranZ Joseph Strauss. HWA even made the effort to befriend him and he was invited to visit Ambassador College at Bricket Wood. I was a student there at that time, and I remember Mr. Strauss walking around campus with Herbie and some other German politicians. He was a strong looking man -- was he going to be the beast? He was taken to the faculty dining room with his retinue and Herbie and a fine meal was put on, steaks from the organic ranch in Texas and baked potatos. One of the girl students who served in the faculty dining room, got a little nervous around such famous people and dropped a baked potato. It rolled under the table and ended up under the 'beasts' chair. She was horrified. Afterwards we all laughed about the horror of a potato rolling under the chair of 'the beast'.

Anonymous said...

I wrote part of what you quoted (re: Jesuit Warlords), and I am NOT a COG conspiracy nut as you imply.

I have NO connection to ANY COG anywhere. I do NOT attend ANY church of any kind.

Neither do I have ANY connection to ANY group that propounds any kind of conspiracy theories. EVERYTHING that I post is ORIGINAL research and is MY OWN commentary based on MY ORIGINAL research.

However, I am a HISTORY and CURRENT EVENTS nut, and post WHAT I SEE HAPPENING regardless of whether you real conspiracy theory nuts wish to believe it or not. And if what I post HAPPENS to coincide with EITHER side of the issue, SO WHAT?

Anonymous said...

It doesn't bother me in the least if a Jewish person is in control, so long as he or she possesses the skill set to do a superior job.

When you look at the very noteworthy accomplishments of Jews throughout modern history, the innovations which they as a collective have brought to humanity in so, so many ways, it is nearly impossible to avoid being a Judeaophile! Whether or not they have accepted Jesus Christ, God's chosen people have been a huge international blessing to all people!

Velvet said...

"I first started attending church services in Michigan back in the mid '70's, and I remember the "Protestant bashing" was fairly constant. Perhaps a lot of our experiences in the WCG, as you point out, had a lot to do with the personal approach of individual ministers pastoring varying geographical regions."

And Church eras had a lot to do with it, too, Leonardo; by the later 1970s, and on into the 80s, other than pointing out how the then-Pope was moving towards a "one world religion" with his ecumenicism, there was not a lot of "Protestant bashing" that I can recall...which is why it was such a shock to me, after the changes, to hear people say, "I'm so happy we're Protestants now!"

The Church I grew up in very much believed in "The True History of the True Church" -- in fact, the Dugger & Dodd book was in the congregational library, and it saw much use; we were of the non-denominational Anabaptist tradition, from the Church in the first century, on down to the Church of that day. (One of the old WT programs, available on Youtube, has Armstrong recommending in the 1980s that members read Foxe's Book of Martyrs.)

I still consider myself to be a part of the non-denominational Anabaptist Church of God, and NOT anything to do with the Protestants, descended from the Catholics. Perhaps any Protestant-bashing went over my head? Though I wouldn't think so...we tended to refer to "the world's religions" a lot, not really calling out specific examples or denominations by name.

Anonymous said...

"God's chosen people have been a huge international blessing to all people!"

1. Tell that to the Palestinians.

2. Freud, a Jew, said: "I am going to America to destroy it."

3. So you are a conspiracy realist too? Just a Zionist one, right?

Anonymous said...

2. Freud, a Jew, said: "I am going to America to destroy it."

I doubt very much that Freud said anything of the sort. To my knowledge, Freud never went to America, nor did he ever have inclination to. Freud was bankrupted by the Nazis after the Anshluss, but still, Freud did not want to leave Austria. He eventually negotiated an escape to Britain shortly before the war in 1939, where he died shortly thereafter.

Anonymous said...

Google this: freud in america

Anonymous said...

Okay, so he did travel to America once in 1909 at the prodding of the president of Clark University.

Google this: Freud "I am going to America to destroy it"

Anonymous said...

That was a paraphrase. I don't expect to find anything under those exact words. (If he said it in German there is no exact translation anyway).

Anonymous said...

Jews help each other out. Since they control the media they can decide who gets positive media coverage and who gets negative coverage, so they can promote their own. No wonder there are so many famous and powerful Jews.