Tuesday, May 14, 2013

Rod Meredith Says Jesus Was Filled With Surging, Pulsating, Sexual Lusts and Desires; Had A Sex Drive That Was "Bigger Than Any Man's In This Room!" All Because of Real Wheat Germ

Here are some excerpts sent to me from a reader on here who got them from Rod Meredith's sermon preached on March 2, 2013.  The older Meredith gets the more delusional he is.  Can he truly believe that the ministry of the LCG is the MOST PURE ministry the COG has ever had - especially those that are  stationed in Charlotte?  I know some of those guys and they are anything but pure!  Even sinless Rod is not pure!

The typical COG story line is, the ministry is pure and agents of God and the people are sinful grumbling worms filled with sins that need to be corrected.  Rod says his ministers are pure while the members are disrespectful, full of murmurings and are judgmental.  Can the poor sheeeple EVER do anything right?

Notice all the catch words and phrases that are directed towards the murmuring rebellious lay members.


Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: (Hebrews 3:7 )"Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness, Where your fathers tested Me….” Remember how often I like to go through Mr. Armstrong used to read back through those passages sometimes. Sometimes he had two and one half hours to give a sermon, I’m not exaggerating – the regular service was three hours. So he spoke straight through for two and a half hours sometimes, and had time read, and read, and read. And he’d read how they would disobey Moses, and they’d to kill Moses. They tried to stone Aaron and Moses; they got mad every time they got corrected. They were bitter, carnal, rebellious. The murmurings, the murmurings, ‘Well, we don’t agree with Moses, well Aaron and Moses are taking too much on themselves, we have our human reasonings.’ Blah, blah, blah - they went on and on - the murmurings of the children of Israel – God never liked that. And yet we have that sometimes in our church. That same human nature stirred up by the same Satan the devil to turn those against human beings that are human, and yet that God is using to do his work.

The state of rebellion in the Living Church of God is apparently running rather deep right now.  That probably is what has lead to the drop in income.  When people question, are grumpy or pissed off the money does not flow freely.   rod wants all of you rebellious miscreants to LEAVE the LCG NOW!  Do it on your own before a minister has to do it for you!

I would say this, and I don’t want to brag by my part - I may be the weakest one. But we have, and I’ve been as I said in the church sixty three and one half years and watched, somehow got to know very closely – thousands of hours personally, with Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, Dick Armstrong, and Herman Hoeh, and many of the other leaders; Raymond McNair whom I lived with for a while – went on baptizing tours with, and of course I got to know terribly well Raymond Cole, Burk McNair, and nearly all the other older leaders. And taught, and trained, and baptized some of them like Dean Blackwell, and Dave Albert who was later on the television, and others like that. I got to know them very, very well. And I think right now, sincerely, and I mean this (leaving myself out), I think sincerely that we have probably the most dedicated, and clean, and pure ministry, certainly here at headquarters, and as far as I can tell around the world, that I have ever seen. I really mean that. I could give you examples, but I don’t want to tell you bad things about the past, but we have that. But in the church brethren, some of them have fallen short, and some of this stuff that’s coming out now even here has been building up for years – attitudes, and murmuring, and judging, and profound disrespect for the ministry. And sometimes the ministry was not right there where they were, working with them and guiding them as much as we should have been, but they got off track, and really sorry about that because if it keeps on more marriages will be broke up, more people will be gone from the church, more people will be gone from their jobs right here. It’s serious brethren! We need to pray about that and ask God to help these human beings, and work with them, and teach them, and train them, and fashion and mold them as only God can do. But we do have a very dedicated ministry to do that. So he says, “Do not harden your hearts.” Don’t do that, don’t (say), “Here’s what I want! And we’re gonna have our attitude, and we’re not gonna change!” That attitude will not stay in God’s church. And if any of you have that attitude, you just should leave yourself – if that’s your attitude you don’t belong in God’s church. I’ll just be honest with you, we might lose some of you, I’m sorry about that, I love you. My dad used to say when I was a rebellious teenager I went through a bad *spill* – I’m sure none of you went through a bad spell – but I had a bad spell when I was a teenager, and I remember my father’d say, he said, ‘Rod,’ he said, ‘Rod, that attitude,’ he said, ‘you can stay, but that bad attitude’s got to go.’ I remember him saying that, ‘you can stay but that attitude has got to go.’ And that’s the way it is among us here; that attitude has got to go, otherwise you have got to go. And I hope you can understand what we’re saying. You’re not to have that rebellious, self-willed attitude that they had ‘in the day of trial… where your fathers tested me and proved me, and saw my works forty years. Therefore I was angry….’ You say, ‘Oh Jesus was so wonderful he would never get angry.’ Yes he was, Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, and he was angry ‘with that generation, and said, “they will always go astray in their heart, they have not known my ways.” So I swore in my wrath, “They shall not enter my rest.”’ And the rest he was talking about was dual of course; the Sabbath, but primarily going into the Promised Land. ‘Beware, brethren….’ Get this, verse 12. ‘Beware… lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief….’

Never one to preach a sermon without talking about sex, Rod starts in on his favorite subject. I guess the LCG is filled with adulterous members.

Interesting how that’s worded isn’t it? An evil heart of unbelief. If you don’t believe your very Creator, God calls that an evil heart. That attitude will not take you into the kingdom. Somewhere along the line I have had to get over the attitude which I’ve had at times when I was first coming into the church, ‘well Mr. Armstrong was just making noise, and he’s yelling at us, or he corrected me, or he’s corrected the church too hard,’ and realized, no he’s the human, but God was using him, and building the Church of God through him as an instrument. And I had to look beyond him to God, and not have an evil heart of unbelief, that’s what God calls it ‘in departing from the living God.’ Don’t ever depart from the living God, ‘but exhort one another daily.’ It doesn’t say pick at each other, don’t do that, but you can rightly exhort or encourage, and say, ‘Look John, or *Jin*’ or tell your wife Joann, or your husband Joe, ‘please let’s, let’s get with it. This is the Church of God, let’s get clear in or clear out.’ Don’t hang around on the fringe all the time picking, and picking away at the very work we’re part of. Be loyal, be right in the center of God’s will. ‘Exhort one another today, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.’ Sin is very deceitful. ‘Well I see this other woman over here, and my wife’s getting kind of old and fat, so I just, God won’t mind, you know.’ Or, ‘my husband is not terribly romantic,’ or something, ‘so I’m just going to look over in this other direction, and God won’t care.’ YES HE WILL CARE! God says thou shall not commit adultery, and God said that if you look at and turn over in your mind attitudes of sex with another person besides your mate which you’re bound to by God in Heaven, that is the spirit of adultery – that’s what it is – and you will not go in God’s kingdom with that attitude. So don’t let that happen to you, the deceitfulness of sin is very clever. ‘For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.’ So we’re to hold that confidence in Christ; ‘his way is right, he’s alive, he’s there, he’s the same yesterday, today, and forever, he will never leave me nor forsake me, and he will never change, and I’ve got to serve him and obey him and serve him to the end of my life.’ So we’re to have that attitude to the end.

You look to Christ, you obey the Ten Commandments, you do what you’re told in a right way within God’s church, based on the Bible. You show God that you are loyal, you show God that you’re responsive; he wants to have you be responsive to him – Christ wants you to be responsive to him. He’s going to be your boss, he’s going to be the king over the kingdom, he will be your Savior, your High Priest, and your living head, and your leader throughout all eternity. And if you won’t respond to him now through his human church, how can he possible believe that you would respond to him later on in his kingdom? You will say, ‘Well yes, but. Well I disagree with this. This is my opinion, my opinion, my opinion.’  I don’t think Christ is interested in my opinion or your opinion. If I’m God’s servant and doing what he said, and you have to figure that out – does Christ have a true church, does he have true ministers, and do we really understand what’s in here (Bible) – you need to prove that to yourself, and I hope all of you will. But then it’s not just my opinion, what I’m reading here, it’s God’s opinion, and you’ve got to really have a humble attitude, that teachable attitude, and say ‘yes Lord,’ not ‘yes Lord’ to me, but ‘yes Lord’ to Christ. Not ‘yes Lord’ to Dr. Winnail, or Mr. Ames, or anyone else, but ‘yes Lord’ to Christ. So that’s the attitude all of us need to have, and be sure that we respond to that.

(Hebrews 4:15) ‘For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses,’ Christ is able to sympathize with our weaknesses, he’s been there, he’s been a teenager, he’s felt the pulls of sex, and the desire to hit back, the desire to get even, the desire to have fun-fun, just like all the other kids. Don’t think that he didn’t have any of that surging in his body, or in his mind, he did, he had these same problems to fight as we do. ‘For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are….’ ALL points, ‘yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.’
Rod then takes another swipe at his BFF Bob Thiel.  Rod loves him so, but poor Bob is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO misguided.

I noticed in the Church of God today – we love them all, but some are weaker than others – we’ve had some fellas out there who have appointed themselves as prophets or apostles, no one else appointed them that, they just appointed themselves that (snickers) and of course if you read this whole chapter (Hebrews 5), frankly they’re in trouble (smiling) – there’s nothing in the Bible that indicates that they should have that office at all.And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was.’ And no man should appoint himself, you know, a minister, and no man should certainly try to take various offices like the High Priest. Christ was set there by the God who spoke that to him, the Creator.

Satan seems to be having a field day with LCG members.  Satan's mind games seem to be causing a lot of issues!

You need to cry out to God when you sense that Satan is messing with your mind, he’s stirring up resentments, and bitterness, and rebellion, and lust, and greed, and the desire for power, and to justify yourself, and to argue with the very ministers of Jesus Christ on this earth. And if I die next month or next year, I still tell you the same thing, it’s not about me it’s about God. It’s not about me, it’s about Jesus Christ that’s the *light* hand of God. Don’t be that way brethren, you won’t make it into God’s kingdom, have the fear of God in the right way, the AWE of God. That’s what God wants you to have.

Rod thinks they have things "basically" right. So if they are "basically" wrong then that is OK too.  Bad fruit basically might bring forth a little good.

‘And He [Christ] is the head of the body, the church….’ Who’s the head of the church, Rod Meredith? No. Richard Ames? No. The head of the church is Jesus Christ. And yet we human servants under him are being guided by him, and God shows that so many times in the Bible, and he will guide those in authority as long as they walk his ways. As long as you see the fruits, that the basic truth of God is preached, that the work of God is basically being done, and the government of God is basically being carried out, then you better sense that’s where Christ is working. If you find where those three things are done somewhere else you should go there. Think about it, you should go there. I don’t know of any other place, and if I were to die tomorrow it would still be that way because we have men like Mr. Ames, and Dr. Winnail, and Mr. Gerald Weston, and our other leaders here that are in the church; our leading men that are so dedicated and sound and solid that carry on this same work of God in the right way.

If Christ tells us to do something now, and we say, ‘yeah, well but,’ and we water it down, he knows that same attitude will be there later. He’s our High Priest, he’s the immediate head over the church to do that kind of thing. So he’s assigned by the Father to do that. So we can finally come to that attitude, you know, that we saw at the end of Luke chapter 22, ‘Not my will, but thine be done.’ That’s the attitude he wants in all of us.
 Rod seems to think that a lot of LCG members have their minds below their belts most of the  time. If that is so, I wonder where they got the example from?????????????????

Brethren have you come to that point? Think about it profoundly and be honest with yourself because you can’t, you can’t get saved by giving me the right answer – God knows your heart, and he sees what you mean by your heart and by your fruits – what do you actually do? So through Christ in you are you really overcoming the self? Are you overcoming your vanity, ’I’m important and I think I’m as good as anyone else, and my opinion is just as good as anyone.’ Well your opinion is just as good as mine, maybe better than mine on cooking or building houses, or all kinds of things, but if I’m the human leader under Christ, then God would say you ought to listen to me in spiritual things. You could figure that out. And if I’m gone you ought to listen to Mr. Ames, or Dr. Winnail, or Mr. Weston, or other leading ministers. Be honest about it, that’s what it obviously means. We’re your teachers, honor what Christ is doing through those offices – honor that, and show that by the way you react. So think about it. Are you already overcoming that human self-will and vanity; the desire for pleasure, ‘I want fun, and I want it how ever I can get it;’ the desire for liquor, you want to drink too much; the desire for SEX? Some people somehow get their minds down below their belts, ‘well I can reason this and that because my human drive is just too powerful.’ No it’s not too powerful, everybody has that. Christ had to control that; Christ was never married at all! And he probably had a lot more sex drive than any man in this ROOM! ‘Cause all the wheat germ was in the wheat back then (snickers) see what I mean. He had POWERFUL drive, but he controlled it, he focused on something bigger.
Damn!  All one needs is some original Palestinian wheat germ to become the best he-men ever!  Who needs Viagra!  Give us wheat germ!

So don’t let yourself be overwhelmed by your own LUST, and your vanity, jealousy, lust and greed – your self-will, ‘I want what I want’, and the spirit of REBELLION; ‘if they tell me this, I’m outta here.’ NO!! You shouldn’t be outta here no matter what. You say, ‘God’s will be done,’ if you disagree with something you come humbly and talk about it, and be willing to listen to those that God is using. And then do as Christ directs his church to teach, and if you find a better church you better go there, but you’re not going to find one at this point as far as I can tell. As I’ve said, that’s what I would want my own family to do, to stay where Christ is primarily working at this time.

(Ephesians 1:19-23) ‘and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.’
Brethren, you should not fret about problems in Charlotte. Jesus Christ will NEVER let us make a BIG mistake! Global wasn't a mistake, apparently.

Brethren, if I kick the bucket tomorrow, you had better damn well OBEY my son Jim!  Jesus Christ and I put him there.  If you disobey Jim you disobey Jesus Christ!!!!! 
Brethren, Christ is head of the church, of all aspects of it, he’s the head over ALL things in the church. He’s the head of the visiting program; he’s the head of Church Administration; he’s the head of the Business Department; he’s the head of the Living University; he’s the head of every aspect of the work, he’s the head of Editorial. He’s the head of everything we have in the work of God. And we have humans under him – they may make mistakes, but God will never let them make a mistake big enough to wreck the whole work. And if any of you ever have a problem with your supervisor, you’re to go to his supervisor, and he’s to come to Mr. Ames or me, or some of us at the top of the human organization, and we would cry out to God for wisdom, and you should react to the one that God puts there. As I said, if I’m gone tomorrow, you’d better, you better have that attitude whoever is put there, and show that depth of conversion to follow where Christ is working. Will you be led by your vanity to rebel against that? Christ, who is the head over all things to the church? That’s what this book tells you right here.

Rod can't stand the effeminate, wishy-washy, lovey-dovey, grace filled, pulsating Jesus Christ of he New Covenant, so he has to trek into Hebrew scriptures to hid his Jesus Christ.

God, as you know brethren, says that the Old Testament was written for our admonition upon the ends of the world are come. Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And Christ, of course, was the God of the Old Testament. 1 Corinthians 10:4, that Rock – the Rock that guided Ancient Israel – that Rock was Christ. so let’s turn to the High Priest back here, the leading priests and judges, and some instruction about that back here in Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy 17. He says here to us, and he’s talking here to Ancient Israel, but this is for our admonition too, the principle is exactly the same. Deuteronomy 17:8, ‘If a matter arises which is too hard for you to judge, between degrees of guilt for bloodshed, between one judgment or another, or between one punishment or another, matters of controversy within your gates, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the LORD your God chooses. "And you shall come to the priests, the Levites, and to the judge there in those days,’ who would usually be a Levite as the whole scripture shows in most cases, ‘and inquire of them; they shall pronounce upon you the sentence of judgment. "You shall do according to the sentence which they pronounce upon you in that place which the LORD chooses….’ Now where did the Lord choose today, as many of us talked, and consulted, and fasted, and prayed, and we did for months before we moved here asking God to guide us. And for many reasons God brought us to Charlotte, North Carolina. This is the human headquarters of his human church at this time – that’s why we’re here. So the principle is this: we’re here, the leading ministers are here, and if you follow the principles of God’s Word, if you have some upset about something you don’t agree with in the church, or in your department if you’re working for us, or whatever it is, you’re to go to the leaders. First you go to, of course, Mr. Rod McNair, Mr. League, the ministers, and if they can’t help you with it – feel it needs to be brought on up, then Mr. Ames, Dr. Winnail and I could get in on it. And ‘they shall pronounce upon you the sentence of judgment.

 "You shall do according to the sentence which they pronounce upon you in that place which the LORD chooses. And you shall be careful to do according to all that they order you….’ That’s what God says. ‘"According to the sentence of the law in which they instruct you, according to the judgment which they tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left…’ say, ‘Well, yes but.  Well, yes but. Here’s my [opinion],’ you don’t see any of that here do you? ’ Now the man who acts presumptuously…’ ‘Here’s what I think,’ or, ‘I’m gonna (do it) nobody’s gonna tell me anything.’ Frankly how long did that last in Ancient Israel? (smiles) Not very long. That’s why the dead bodies of those Israelites littered the whole desert as they came across, as is described elsewhere in the book of Hebrews, as well as back in Exodus. They rebelled, they rebelled, and only two men made it clear on over, who were they? Joshua and Caleb. The rest of them all died – that’s amazing when you, you read it most of you – all of them died of that generation. ‘Well, yes but, here’s the way I think of it.’ And they would argue. So God tells us this and he’s trying to get this through our thick heads. ‘Now the man who acts presumptuously and will not heed the priest who stands to minister there before the LORD your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall put away the evil from Israel.’ And brethren, of course we do not administer the death penalty, I hope all you brethren know that. Of course all you older brethren do, but it will be the same today eventually (smiling), but GOD will administer the death penalty if you argue, will not do what is said, and if you don’t repent of that somewhere along the line. Somewhere along the line you’re going to have to follow what God tells you, and what God’s leadership guides you to do, or you won’t be there. As I’ve said, I may not be here to argue with you in another year or two, I hope I will, I’m just being honest with you.

You’ve got to look to God and know that God is real. You’ve got to obey God, and fear God, and cry out to God for his help, and mean it just like Christ did who was heard because of his godly fear – that godly AWE that even the Son of God had! We need a little bit more of that in our democratic society, we’re so used to watering things down, ‘Here’s what I want,’ we want to do what WE want to do.

Apparently it is all about size.....


Anonymous said...

This is just a horrible harangue. Every sermon Rod gives is a verbal beat-down. I don't think I could stomach listening to Rod's sermons, even as a recording, nevermind sitting in the audience, being a member, taking it to heart. The hypocrisy is stunning. The way he glosses over his own sixty-three years of bad example, compares himself to god, and tells everyone that if they don't do what he says, respect the crappy nepotistic decisions he's about to shove down everyone's throats, that god will be upset with everyone else but him. It's good ol' WCG-style abuse. It would almost makes me nostalgic if it wasn't making me so nauseated.

Joe Moeller said...

Smart organizations NEVER blame their customers and clients for their problems, but rather look to what they themselves are doing wrong in not meeting their needs.

Joe Moeller
Cody, WY

Anonymous said...

As mentioned in the sermon, Meredith has fired several more people since firing Baca.

That would be fine with most LCG members, if it really was about putting the church back on track.

However, Meredith replaced Baca with a Protestant non-member who doesn't even keep the Sabbath:


This despite the fact that there are qualified LCG members who could do the job. With each new lie, and each new step toward Protestantism, Meredith's agenda is becoming more and more clear.

Anonymous said...

The way he glosses over his own sixty-three years of bad example, compares himself to god, and tells everyone that if they don't do what he says, respect the crappy nepotistic decisions he's about to shove down everyone's throats, that god will be upset with everyone else but him. It's good ol' WCG-style abuse.

It's textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

DennisCDiehl said...

RCM said "I would say this, and I don’t want to brag by my part - I may be the weakest one."

Classic, "I'm the best, no wait that doesn't sound humble, I'm the worst" thinking.

The Apostle Paul got stuck between the least and the best comedy.

"For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles".


"For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all...".

Here he starts out the least but by the end of the sentence is once again the best.

And when competing with other Apostles Paul noted...

"But from those who SEEMED to be something - WHATEVER they were, it makes NO DIFFERENCE to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man- for those who seemed to be something added NOTHING to me."

Of course he was talking about Peter, James and John for whom he mostly had contempt...

"...and when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who SEEMED to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised."

Everyone but Paul only seemed important. He was actually important. Paul alse seems to forget Peter was sent to the Gentiles or at least according to James. Acts 15:6-7 "... Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by MY MOUTH the Gentiles should hear the word of the GOSPEL and believe."

Dave Pack is different from this in that he only is the greatest with no attempt to act humble.

I'm the best/I'm the worst is a common human way of throwing smoke and psychologists have lots of fun with these kinds of statements.

Paul bragged about being the smartest pencil in the box (Dave Pack.."I was going to the Naval Acadamy')and the student of the best teachers (Gamaliel). Paul even said he was light years ahead of his fellows. Alas, there is precious little evidence he actually was this super student and probably never studied under Gamaliel at all.

Paul tended towards exaggeration as do all those who rise to what they view as high position in the COG's and wrestle still with being the least but yet the best.

When a minister tells poorly attituded members they can "get out." It really means, 'There, I hope that scared you into knowing you can but don't we need you." It gives the sense of a false freedom which of course most COG members have no clue how to properly use , so they stay a bit longer until they blow.

It's a telling psychological and personality problem.

DennisCDiehl said...

PS I only use the NT example of Paul and his own words about himself to show there is nothing new under the sun when it comes to the way men who appoint themselves to spiritual positions over others talk and think.

Paul was extremely arrogant in his self view and only one not willing to see that would not agree. Most current COG leaders are also arrogant with some more obviously so than others. There are some good men in there too who probably know exactly what I am speaking about. They have no need to be the leader, don't have the arrogance to fuel it and just wish to be left alone.

The ONLY reason we give a man like the Apostle Paul a pass on his own arrogant and contradictory statements is because ..well..He's the Apostle Paul.

He seems to be as self appointed as any Bob Thiel or Dave Pack. No one else called him or them Apostle or recognizes them as any kind of Prophet...Gerald Flurry included, but in their own minds it is so.

Anonymous said...

About a year ago I contemplated joining the RCG. I had a couple of chats with a local minister. He turned me off as he sounded arrogant and self-righteous. In fact I never encountered anyone as arrogant and self-righteous. It appears Rod is even much worse. Boy am I happy I didn't join that cult. Needles to say since then I've checked out all COGs thoroughly enough to realize they are all cults.

DennisCDiehl said...

This why theologians don't believe Paul wrote Hebrews lol...I agree.

"I wanna talk about meeeee."

"Yet in only the first half of the first chapter of Romans, which is 16 verses worth, Paul uses twice as many personal pronouns as the author of Hebrews uses in his entire book! In the book of Romans, Paul refers to himself 103 times, which is rate of about 18.2 per thousand! That is 13x greater than Hebrews.

In 1 Corinthians, Paul refers to himself 175 times, in 2Corinthians 103 times again, and in the relatively short book of Galatians, he refers to himself 69 times which is a rate of 25 personal pronouns per 1000 words!"

Someone needs to start the ECG
Ego Church of God...well ok it already exists I know.

Anonymous said...

While still in Global, Meredith sent that minister named League which he mentioned in this message to handle the Philippines Global affairs. Thankfully, the guy mishandled everything, came to lord it over the members, sowed division among members by accusing of all people the most loyal to HWA teachings and the one who has the means to help the young church stand on its feet financially, and a host of other mischiefs. What a contrast to the former American emissary of HWA (Waterhouse, Collin Adair, Guy Ames) who was very well loved by the Filipinos. I have seen with my own two eyes what I read in many of the WCG abuses in many of the blogs. When I heard that guy League accused in the pulpit the one who supported him and the church financially (claiming it was done with the motive to control the church), I had enough of WCG and any of remnant churches. Never, never, never again. I only have to thank Meredith for sending that guy League to remove the blindness in my eyes. I could only see the spirit of Satan (accuser of the brethren, financial suckers, abusers of mankind, etc. etc) prevailing in these HWA remnant churches. Never, never, never again. I could only snub these faithfuls for remaining into a false church that lack any fruit of the Holy Spirit. They lack discernment and so deserve those messages. Psychopaths! Birds of the same feather, flock together.

Anonymous said...

"We're God's church because we say so."

THAT doesn't work any more.

Anonymous said...

"Frankly how long did that last in Ancient Israel? (smiles) Not very long. That’s why the dead bodies of those Israelites littered the whole desert as they came across, as is described elsewhere in the book of Hebrews, as well as back in Exodus." RCM

Sadly, no archaeological evidence for the trek of millions has ever been found where the Bible indicates it should be found. The Exodus as portrayed in the OT never actually happened.



Anonymous said...

Spanky said "I don’t think Christ is interested in my opinion or your opinion."

And Why The Hell Not!?

Douglas Becker said...

Doomed! Roderick Meredith is doomed!.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Bob League could push your buttons.

Douglas Becker said...

ECG needs more letters to make it distinctive: EECoGNS.

The Eternal Ego Church of God of the Narcissistic Sociopath.

Expect fragmentation.

DennisCDiehl said...

"Rod Meredith Says Jesus Was Filled With Surging, Pulsating, Sexual Lusts and Desires; Who's Sex Drive Was "Bigger Than Any Man's In This Room!" All Because of Real Wheat Germ"

The Gospel of Philip doesn't help that pulsating lusty desirous image either...

Gospel of Philip

"The companion of the Savior is Mary Magdalene. (But Christ loved) her more than (all ) the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her (mouth). The rest of the disciples were offended by this. They said to him, “Why do you love her more than all of us?” The Savior answered and said to them, “Why do I not love you as much as I love her?”

Of course, it didn't make the cut

Anonymous said...

Christ, of course, was the God of the Old Testament: So says Rod and the followers of Paul.

"that Rock – the Rock that guided Ancient Israel"

Rock rhymes with cock·y.

Anonymous said...

"Smart organizations NEVER blame their customers and clients for their problems, but rather look to what they themselves are doing wrong in not meeting their needs."

This reminds me of a woman who was recently expelled from UCG's school because missed classes to deal with a family crisis.

One commenter about that situation wrote, "Organizations that may have been started with the highest of ideals of service ALWAYS devolve into self preservation , bureaucracies, political, and sterile groups. ALWAYS. It is the human condition. Get used to it."

I pretty much agree with that statement, and it helps expose the UCG as a crappy org that is self-serving and NOT a God-guided spiritual organization that has guidance from the Holy Spirit.

DennisCDiehl said...

Anon says "If it had been discovered earlier and included in the canons widely accepted now, what would have been the result?"

Of course the four Gospels we ended up with were just four of hundreds. None are eyewitness accounts and none written by the men whose names were later affixed to give them credibility They are not a harmony of Gospels but rather a smogasborg of conflicting stories and editing of previous goof ups. All of Matthew's Birth story is taken whole cloth from the OT scriptures and is not an account of anything he actually knew about Jesus birth. "We weren't born of fornication," is a long way from Angels we have heard on high.

The Gospel of Philip may have made the next 2000 years more tolerable. Catholic priests would be married, Paul would not have gotten away with , "I wish all men were as myself..." and instead of a NT filled with single men and no partners or practical lives, we might actually have real human beings to quote.

In my view, the Gospels are mostly fabrications and none of them is written in the first as in ,"Then Jesus and I....", which is suspect. All were written in Greek and that Matthew wasn't is now fallen out of favor.

Sure would have been nice if the Jesus of the Gospels had taken some time to actually write something on his own for posterity. Maybe that's why he only drew circles in the dirt. He couldn't write or it's just all made up by others.

The older version of Mark would also have been a hot book that didn't make the cut with it's missing story of the kid that ran away naked and that in that version, Jesus stayed all night with to show to him the mysteries. At least it would not be boring! Or it could be a hoax book depending on who you ask.

Anyway, Book of Phillip would have been great for sermons!

Byker Bob said...

Where is, or what is this "God's Church" that Meredith keeps mentioning? Is he implying that it is other than the entire collection of humans around the globe who believe in Jesus Christ, ie the "body of Christ"?

Same ol' same ol' human gatekeeper routine! Someone with a title placed between the believer and Jesus Christ. What a crock!

Over the past years, I've been forced to marvel at the things people who are allegedly trying to shed cultic weirdness, recover and normalize end up retaining. Meredith is responsible for a much of this. This is as bad as any of his harangues that I've ever heard.


James said...

"I think sincerely that we have probably the most dedicated, and clean, and pure ministry, certainly here at headquarters, and as far as I can tell around the world,"

100 Terry Ratzmann's couldn't clean up that miserable cult.

"This is the Church of God, let’s get clear in or clear out.’ Don’t hang around on the fringe all the time picking, and picking away at the very work we’re part of. Be loyal, be right in the center of God’s will."

Rod's cult sound like what he and the the bible describes as Laodicean.

"we’ve had some fellas out there who have appointed themselves as prophets or apostles"

Bob Thiel got under his skin. Thiel's revenge has had quite the impact on the old man. He's bitter!

Anonymous said...

RCM said "I would say this, and I don’t want to brag by my part - I may be the weakest one."

Classic, "I'm the best, no wait that doesn't sound humble, I'm the worst" thinking.

Great. RCM said "I may be the weakest." So what do you think will happen to any LCG member who dares to agree that RCM is the weakest, or who acts on RCM's protestation of weakness?

Michael said...

Dennis Diehl wrote: "All of Matthew's Birth story is taken whole cloth from the OT scriptures and is not an account of anything he actually knew about Jesus birth"

Indeed, and in a broader sense, it would seem that all of HWAism (not to mention Christianity) as a belief system ought to come tumbling down on the simple, unavoidable realization that the virgin birth is an event whose veracity is entirely based on the word of one single woman. Entirely. Even if the gospel writers had been eyewitnesses (which they were not of course), they could not have known whether or not Mary had been a virgin. Just take her unlikely word for it. Not even Joseph would have been able to absolutely verify she was a virgin before Jesus' birth.(Presumably the 2 not having had sex, he wouldn't have been checking the hymen...:-)) So, Mary's word alone. "I had a baby, without having sex!". Riiiiiight.
Amazing. An entire world religion, based on a completely unverifiable, and unlikely "claim" of virginity by one woman.
(Yes, i know the virgin claim came decades later :-) Just dealing with the logic of it!)

Anonymous said...

What is soooooo cra-cra is that if these people who sit there listening to ol'Rod would close their eyes and imagine they were listening to the Pope of Rome or Jim Jones for that matter would they just sit there & not even blink or think twice about what they were being told?