Repeating what those given to such studies and concerns is not Biblical predicting, prophecy or prophesying.
When Dr. Thiel says he covered a topic as a prophet before, he really means he talked and wrote about the topic in the past. But then so did those who report on such things and are the stories Dr. Thiel quotes and thinks that in someway, this makes him a Biblical Prophet.
Prophet Thiel confuses noting the insights, reporting, concerns and research of the Centers for Disease Control and World Health Organizations for his self appointed stunning abilities to predict disease in the end times.
"Actually, I specifically warned about risks associated with the coronavirus in 2013 (see Coronavirus: A new risk for humans? and Saudi Arabia warning visitors to Mecca about coronavirus risk) and 2014 (see Saudi Arabia, MERS, and Missiles and Infection-gate: A dangerous scandal hitting the USA?). Additionally, I have also warned also about human engineered pathogens without mentioning the coronavirus in 2018 (see DARPA to weaponize insects to spread viruses across the population… sinister plans exposed by team of scientists) and 2019 (see DARPA: ‘Militarized Microbes’ To Spread GMO Bacteria). Humans messing around with viruses, like was being officially done in Wuhan, poses risks. And I have warned about those risks, including research involving the coronavirus for years.
Pretty much every day, I pray and ask God to assist me choosing topics to write about. And a few times in the past, that has specifically included the coronavirus.
Furthermore, the latest video for our Bible News Prophecy program has to do with the coronavirus and other pathogens:"
This is how it works
What is a Prophet
A prophet is not the one who made the prophecy, he/she is just a mediator between God and man to deliver the prophecy of God. A prophet is like a speaker or a puppet who always ready to obey what his/her Master want him/her to say and to do.
A prophet is not the one who made the prophecy, he/she is just a mediator between God and man to deliver the prophecy of God. A prophet is like a speaker or a puppet who always ready to obey what his/her Master want him/her to say and to do.
"(Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)"
(1 Samuel 9:9)
Ezekiel 1:3 The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was there upon him.
Ezekiel 22:1-3 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt shew her all her abominations. Then say thou, Thus saith the Lord God, The city sheddeth blood in the midst of it, that her time may come, and maketh idols against herself to defile herself.
Ezekiel 30:1-3 the word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.
Ezekiel 33:1-4 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
32 comments:
"If a tree falls in the middle of a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
A "prophet" peeping and muttering largely to himself would do well to ask this introspective question.
BB
Dr. Thiel takes what has happened or is already known and projects it into the future as happening again only bigger and better with more zest and consequences that can be tied with his god trying to tell us all something. He's a news correspondent in drag trying to make what is normal for life on the planet, unfortunately so, more interesting and meaningful.
Add to this his belief that Biblical Bronze Age views and superstitions are valid explanations for what we actually know today to be mistaken notions but understandable for those times of trying to explain what they clearly could not understand, and there ya go.
With regards to cosmology, meteorology, geology, paleontology and frankly that which is "the study of", it does not matter what the Bible says. It would be mistaken and not a reasonable explanation for anything today. The supernatural is not needed to explain it.
As noted in the past, every question the God of Job used to put Job in his place with "where were you" and "do you know" can be answered nicely today by the average inquisitive High School student.
It is only in the last 300 years, as good science began to offer its real explanations for phenomenon that the controversy over the Bible being "the best science book ever written", as one fundy preacher told me, became an issue. It rattled the church so badly at times back in the day, one risked death promoting it over scripture.
Byker Bob said...
"If a tree falls in the middle of a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
I know you're not asking but Far probably no, it does not. :) It makes waves of frequency that are only turned into sounds in our heads after passing through the ear as a vibration, turned into an electrical signal and then a sound. The world outside our heads is probably dead silent made up of waves of frequencies until translated by the senses. Might that also be true of light, touch and smell? spooky. :)
So like the falling tree, Bob hears the news, it passes through his ears, is turned into a prophecy and he hears "I am a prophet" in his head
Everything we see, feel, smell and hear is in our heads.
Frankly, EVERYTHING is cyclical. If it happened before, then it is bound to happen again. Timing is everything in life, and broad brush stroke, non- time specific "predictions" are worthless.
If you have lived the classic WCG "5 year Plan" for the last 50 years , you have spent a lifetime that could have achieved and dreamed some amazing things, instead of living a "Machiavellian Fear" filled life. I believe in Christian duty and living, but FEAR and GLOOM , are not Gods vision. Of course there is Christian mission, and a call to repentance, and that is what prophecy is really about. It is not to glory ones self in having a title, or claiming to be a "shaman guru" with predictive powers that one has made up!
God said "worry not about tomorrow". This Prophet stuff from Thiel is nothing more than the continuation of fear based religion.
Thiel is also incorrect that either myself or even this page is "Anti Church of God". I think it would be better to refer to this page as ANTI CULT, and ANTI IDIOT . (Thiel being guilty of both). I am a Sabbatarian, and believer in God. Of course, in Booby's world , not recognizing Thule , Tile , Thiel or whatever his name is, as the "Grand End Time Pooh- Pah" means that you are anti-God, doomed, or (at best on a very good day,) a "Laodicean"
Thiell says he predicted this flu thing back in 2013. I could have done that.
What I want as a proof of a "prophet" is specific times and places not broad based blather that Thiel does.
I can say the following—
There will be a huge earthquake this year. (ACTUALLY FULFILLED YESTERDAY IN JAMAICA! and this was previously posted by me a couple of days ago , right here on BANNED!)
There will be a huge flood in the future.
The stock market will give back 40% sometime in the future.
There will be a political assasination.
Saying a few years ago that there would be a flu outbreak , or ebola outbreak at "some point in the future" or war in the future is proof of nothing, and is so inane! My original post and challenge to Thiel is to quote specific dates and times, for these self evident and painfully obvious "going to happen" predictions.
Thiel is so full of crap!
ANAGRAMS FOR "BOB THIEL" -
An anagram is a word or phrase formed by rearranging the letters of a different word or phrase, typically using all the original letters exactly once
(are there "secret" messages contained in his name??)
I, the Blob
He BI,...blot!
Bib Hotel
Booby Surreal Thiel--"I am Tonto, the daring and resourceful rider of the plains that leads the fight for law and order in the Wild West of the Church of God. Come with me now to those thrilling days of Church of God yesteryear and today. Tonto rides again!"
I guess it's only human nature for people to rise up and attempt to protect their own agendas, stature, and self-interests. In a time when we have partisans in the Senate struggling to round up enough votes to continue an obstruction of the witnesses they obstructed from the House hearings, is it any wonder that an aspiring leader of a personality cult would work to obscure the definition of a prophet or prophecy?
It is all human nature, folks! None of us are immune.
BB
My favorite thing in his posting was this:
"Pretty much every day, I pray and ask God to assist me choosing topics to write about. And a few times in the past, that has specifically included the coronavirus."
God no more communicates to Bob what to prophecy about than he does to Dave Pack. Both of these guys pull their nonsense out of their asses and think it is newsworthy and prophetic. The more he writes this kind of stuff the more desperate he becomes.
I once respected Bob because of his COGwriter.com articles. When he began proclaiming that he's God end time prophet, the respect went out the door. It's so juvenile, that I feel embarrassed for the man.
Anonymous at 10:33 AM said...“I once respected Bob because of his COGwriter.com articles. When he began proclaiming that he's God end time prophet, the respect went out the door. It's so juvenile, that I feel embarrassed for the man.”
Well said.
You can listen to all sorts of people on the so-called COG scene. You can carelessly assume that if they had been in the WCG or around it they would know something. When they claim to be continuing the old WCG teachings of HWA, you can carelessly assume that they are telling the truth. But then in the end you can be totally shocked at how crazy so many of them turned out to be. The false prophets like Flurry, Pack, Weinland, and Thiel are some of the better known examples of this.
Bob Thiel reads this site and all of the comments every day. He knows how people feel about him, his mannerisms and his idiotic backdrops for his telecasts. He has heard all of the negative and positive comments made about him. Yet, he's so arrogant and narcissistic that he feels he does not need to change or correct any of the issues that everyone sees in him.
His incessant need to keep proving he is a prophet makes him look like a fool.
The one admirable thing I do admire Bob is his deep love for his developmentally disabled son. He could speak about that every day and I would give him two thumbs up for it.
NO2 noted, "The one admirable thing I do admire Bob is his deep love for his developmentally disabled son. He could speak about that every day and I would give him two thumbs up for it.'
That I understand and could not agree more with. I know my parents found great hope in WCG and their emphasis on the scriptures that say "the deaf will hear, the blind will see and the lame man shall leap as a hart.." etc. With my own brother, blind, deaf and unable to speak, it was all so much more hopeful than the blandness of the Presbyterian view. I am sure Bob finds a lot of hope and comfort in the hope of healing for his son. The combo of wholistic healing practices and the scriptures probably have a tight hold on the hope he has. I get that too.
My brother recently broke his arm and it was only noticed by his advocate. No one knows how he did it. He lives in a nice home with others so challenged but being upstairs is no longer an option. The State of NY pays for someone to be in his room 24/7 being sure he's ok. New York has been wonderful to my brother for decades and taken great burdens off my parents over the years.
Now they have found a single floor place for him which just happens to be two blocks from my sister by coincidence. She's thrilled to be able to just walk over to see him. Things work out.
At any rate, Bob could gain some points if he shared some of the challenges parents have with special need children and came across as more genuinely human rather than special in ways that are iffy.
The one admirable thing I do admire Bob is his deep love for his developmentally disabled son. He could speak about that every day and I would give him two thumbs up for it.
I disagree. Can Bob show us even ONE instance from the Bible or from documented church history in which God gave the work of a prophet to a parent with one or more special needs children?
He can't. In fact, a merciful God surely wouldn't, as this would be a terrible burden to inflict on both parent and child.
Bob's desire for self-importance is far greater than his desire to sacrifice his own specialness in the service of his disabled son. It's not admirable; it's detestable.
1 Bobby 20:
1 In third year of king Donald, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the word of the Lord came unto I, Bobby, the humble doubly-blessed servant of the Lord, saying:
2 "Behold, thou son of man, I give unto you My list of 20 general categories of possible things that you might want to be on the lookout for over the next 12 months,
3 Which might or might not happen, we'll have to wait and see, and whichever ones pan out, those are the ones which the mouth of the Lord hath spoken. Not the others.
4 Pretend, thou son of man, that I never said the ones that don't come to pass."
5 Then I, the humble servant of the Lord, answered, and said, "O Lord! Thou art the Alpha and the Omega. At your command the wind blows, and at your word the treasuries of the snow and the hail give forth their bounty. Surely, O Lord, thou canst be more specific?"
6 And the word of the Lord came again unto me saying, "Behold, I have raised you up and blessed you, lo these two times, once so that you may prophesy once unto the lost sheep of the house of Armstrong, yea, and again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings because that I have ordained thee to be extremely important.
7 Therefore write the things which thou hast heard, and the things which are, and the things which may or may not be hereafter, we'll see. Now gird up thy loins, go thy way, and prophesy all that I have commanded thee."
8 And I, the humble doubly-blessed servant of the Lord, wrote the words of the Lord which he commanded me.
When he began proclaiming that he's God end time prophet, the respect went out the door...
I've read comments like this about HWA, some from CG7 people such as John Kiesz. Some R/WCG members thought he went too far when he took the title Apostle.
This seems to happen to splinter leaders; to a point, their mostly okay and can be tolerated, then they reach their level of ministerial and behavioral incompetence.
This is getting interesting. About 5-6 years ago, there was some discussion regarding children raised by narcissistic parents. It covered many of the life-long problems experienced by such children, whose parents were not able to properly nurture them and to meet their emotional needs because they were totally into themselves and their own activities. There was a section of the article covering parents who were into high demand religious cults, because the effects on those peoples' children were the same as with a parent who was devoted totally to their own hobbies.
I'm wondering what the best course of action is for a parent who feels that they have a special calling. How would someone balance that all out, especially someone with a special needs child? I know from personal experience just how difficult it can become to be a parent with a high demand career.
BB
Pretty sure this rule applies to Dr. Bobby:
Any person calling them self a prophet can be dismissed as a whack-job. Applies to self-appointed Apostles too. David Koresh said he was jesus christ, and Marshall Applewhite told his followers that there was a spaceship behind the Hale-Bob comet. What will spill out of Theil's mouth next..??
Prophet Bobby wouldn't know what prophecy was if it knocked on his front door and laid out the proof, like-
Trump is the King of the North from Dan 11:40.
G7/Club of Rome comprise the "seven heads and ten horns" of Rev 13.
Iran is the King of the South.
Russia/China are the Kings from the East.
Theil is stuck in the WCG days and is suffering from Jerusalem Syndrome, or more accurately Armstrong Syndrome. I can show him my copy of "1975 in Prophecy", which he is clearly operating from.
DD wrote: "The supernatural is not needed to explain it.
Here we are again. So what natural process do you think created the Universe? I know a lot of scientist who would like to know - like all of them.
Re NO2HWA: "Bob Thiel reads this site and all of the comments every day."
Ok.
You made your point he is not a prophet.
But by your own admission and based upon the available data I hereby raise anoint, confer and proclaim Bob to be
"A Regular"
Only the office of "A Contributer" might receive the double portion.
"The Administrator" title is only for those born into the family as the rest of us is only begotten.
Nck
2:10 "Bob's desire for self-importance is far greater than his desire to sacrifice his own specialness in the service of his disabled son. It's not admirable; it's detestable."
I have to agree! Given the prodigious amount of material he writes, blog entries, books, and other things he boasts about, it is clearly evident that he ignores his wife and child. I cannot imagine how lonely she must feel at times. Sadlyhtisis how much of the ministry operated in the church. Probably another reason the children of ministers are all mostly out of the church and have nothing to do with religion anymore.
"Bob Thiel reads this site and all of the comments every day."
Hi Bob!
Shouldn't the warning on the Keep Out sign be "Foot In Mouth Disease"?
Near_Earth_Object said...
DD wrote: "The supernatural is not needed to explain it.
Here we are again. So what natural process do you think created the Universe? I know a lot of scientist who would like to know - like all of them. "
I think you know what I meant. No scientist searching for origins of anything or the processes that bring them about factors the divine, gods or the "above" natural into their research and conclusions. No researcher of any worth inserts "and then God performs a miracle here" into their equations, calculations or genuine theories (which is not a synonym for "opinion" in the scientific world as you know).
The words "I understand now where you were coming from and meant" are not something you are prone to use with much of anything I say on any topic. I think you know well what I meant. Science is the fine art of discovery and inserting gods into the gaps and empty spaces that are yet to filled with knowing or having a good theory about how it all came to be or could come to be, is not necessary and never will be.
I'll go with Hawking and the general consensus of Cosmologists and Astrophysicists on this.
"God did not create the universe, the man who is arguably Britain's most famous living scientist says in a forthcoming book.
In the new work, The Grand Design, Professor Stephen Hawking argues that the Big Bang, rather than occurring following the intervention of a divine being, was inevitable due to the law of gravity.
In his 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking had seemed to accept the role of God in the creation of the universe. But in the new text, co-written with American physicist Leonard Mlodinow, he said new theories showed a creator is "not necessary".
The Grand Design, an extract of which appears in the Times today, sets out to contest Sir Isaac Newton's belief that the universe must have been designed by God as it could not have been created out of chaos
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes. "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
In the forthcoming book, published on 9 September, Hawking says that M-theory, a form of string theory, will achieve this goal: "M-theory is the unified theory Einstein was hoping to find," he theorises.
"The fact that we human beings – who are ourselves mere collections of fundamental particles of nature – have been able to come this close to an understanding of the laws governing us and our universe is a great triumph."
Hawking says the first blow to Newton's belief that the universe could not have arisen from chaos was the observation in 1992 of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun. "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions – the single sun, the lucky combination of Earth-sun distance and solar mass – far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings,"
(Since his writing over 1900 earth like exoplanets have been discovered)
"However painful, We have not been given the lead in the cosmic drama"
Carl Sagan
"So what natural process do you think created the Universe?"
When Isaac Newton couldn't figure out how to devise a mechanistic mathematical function to account for the stability of the planet's orbits, he threw up his hands and suggested it had to be supernatural. If he couldn't find one, then there must not be one.
But a hundred years later when Laplace came along and found what Newton could not, suddenly we no longer needed the rather complex god hypothesis. Everyone, regardless of religious persuasion, or of none, rejected Newton's supernatural explanation for the stability of the planets in favor of the simpler, natural, and more parsimonious natural one.
As the perimeter of ignorance moves outward we consistently abandon supernatural explanations in favor of simpler, impersonal, mechanistic ones. Even the hardest hardcore fundamentalist doesn't figure that gravity and the phenomenon of weight is angels tugging on things and moving them around. Scientists still don't have a mechanism to explain gravity, so why don't religious people think that mechanism is angels? But I have yet to hear anyone try to explain it that way.
If we assumed that universes have causes, and we were forced to make an assumption about them, why should we assume a complex agency, rather than the more parsimonious explanation that a simple, natural, universe-forming process was at work?
The idea that just because we haven't found a simple, natural explanation yet, that therefore there must not be one has not served us well in the past, and it's a fools bet that it will start serving us well in the future.
The truth is, nobody knows why the universe exists.
Faith is pretending to know things you don't really know. Pretending you know, and making assertions to that effect, isn't knowledge. It's still ignorance. People of other faiths pretend they know too, and many of them make conflicting assertions. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
The first mistake people make is assuming that "nothing" is the default state, requiring some kind of intervention to make that nothingness go away, to fill it up with somethingness. We don't know what the default state is, but "nothingness" isn't even a well-defined concept. What we think of as "nothingness"—empty space-time—isn't nothing, as it turns out. That leaves not being quite sure either what "nothingness" is, or if it exists at all.
The second mistake people make is assuming the universe needs a cause. We have examples within the universe of uncaused events that happen spontaneously. Moreover, it's a category error to assume that the mechanisms by which the universe operates, that these same mechanisms must be at work outside the universe too. This is where Kalam goes wrong in its very first premise.
The third mistake people make is assuming that the supernatural is required to solve the infinite regress problem. It's only a problem if you've already made some assumptions that created the problem to begin with. Regardless, if there is a prime mover, it's an attribute capriciously asserted for the supernatural for no other reason than because it's magic. It's a one-size-fits-all problem-solver that by definition can be neither explained or understood. But there's plenty of natural things we don't understand either, so why can't the universe be considered just as good a candidate for prime mover? Any characteristic attributed to the supernatural could just as easily have a natural explanation, and any problem that the natural is assumed to have, it must be explained how the supernatural escapes suffering from that problem too. Defining things into or out of existence, or bald assertions, are simply acts of wishing, not explanations or solutions.
The fourth mistake people make is assuming that they can leap from an "intelligent designer" directly to the god of their choice. There's plenty of gods that people continue to worship today that lay claim to the title of creator of the universe. Cosmological arguments can *at best* argue for the god of deism, but not for the specialness of any specific deity. The apologist who uses them argues in vain, because it gets him nowhere. Even if his argument were accepted, it still leaves him with all the heavy lifting still ahead of him.
Again and again, our intuition fails us by filling in blanks with things for which it is obvious that no one has the necessary information to be able to justify. Pretending that just because in our ignorance it is possible for us to stick something into a blank, that therefore that blank is filled, is not being honest. But then, the whole enterprise of "faith" is an exercise in pretending, which is a fundamentally dishonest endeavor.
It may be "intuitive," but when we know for a fact our intuition has no orienting basis to know where it's leading us, then wherever it leads us is probably going to be wrong. But leave it to the religious to rely on the demonstrably unreliable for no other reason than just because they want to. It's like boarding a sinking boat because you bought a ticket and don't feel you can afford not to get your money's worth. The water isn't going to care what you deny or what you can't bear not to believe.
DD Wrote: "I'll go with Hawking and the general consensus of Cosmologists and Astrophysicists on this."
Hawking is also the guy who said that the Universe popped into existence from nothing and as long as there is gravity anything can happen. So he made the existence of the law of gravity a precondition to the existence of the Universe. Understand that these guys are not talking about "nothing" in the logical sense. They always start with an environment and the laws of physics.
This type of speculation that Hawking did is all meta-science - it is speculative. Since meta-science does not have empirical support, I feel free to go with Dr. Alan Guth from MIT who developed the widely accepted meta-scientific Inflationary Theory, rather than Hawking. Guth identifies that the Universe had a discrete beginning and is not steady state. That sounds much more reasonable and supports the idea of an act of creation.
This is all relevant to what you stated. The existence of the Universe is a precursor condition "to cosmology, meteorology, geology, paleontology and frankly that which is "the study of."" Subtly insinuating that the supernatural may be dismissed is a propagandistic ploy to spawn atheistic materialism.
@ 9:24 PM, I feel so sorry for Bob's poor disabled son, who must at times cry out for his father only to find out that Daddy is busy proclaiming his Prophetness to the world.
Doesn't Bob know firsthand, from his time in LCG, what happens when a father thinks his mission is more important than his family? You get sad situations like Philip Apartian's suicide, or Rod Meredith's kids who never felt their father's love and turned into little brats and monsters. Apparently this is what Bitter Butt-hurt Bwana Bob also wants for his children.
It's just so sad that Bob looks to Rod Meredith and HWA as examples, rather than to Jesus Christ who made it plain what he thinks of those who neglect the children.
Sounds like it will be an interesting book.
To add to one of the prior comments- why does anything exist?
You can postulate God or gravity or whatever, but none of these explain the original start of everything.
Anonymous (5:06) wrote: " Pretending you know, and making assertions to that effect, isn't knowledge. It's still ignorance."
I think you just defined the state of knowledge for those cosmologists that speculate on the origin of the Universe.
"The first mistake people make is assuming that "nothing" is the default state …"
No, the first mistake here is assuming that the default state of nothing is a mistake. The second mistake is assuming that the universe needing a cause … well, you know the rest.
Anonymous (4:20) wrote: "As the perimeter of ignorance moves outward we consistently abandon supernatural explanations in favor of simpler, impersonal, mechanistic ones."
This is a variety of Genetic Fallacy. It may be true within a certain purview but may not extend beyond that. Its like saying you know how the movie ends when you don't.
And sometimes I do think the perimeter of ignorance is moving outward. I think you meant to say the perimeter of knowledge is moving outward.
I'm just amused that he says "Tonto" is an "accuser of the brethren". No, Bob, Tonto questioned YOU, not "the brethren". Only your incredible vanity turned that into anything else.
Hello.
Is this the science thread?
Princeton just released research that black people might indeed ALSO contain strains of the Neanderthal genome different to previous held outcomes. I'm so happy. For weeks, based on the latest science as revealed on this blog, I have been believing that black people were somehow superior to me. Now they are the same and just as the rest of humanity.
nck
By the way.
To my knowledge at present 15 million Americans TODAY are infected with a deadly virus.
It is called influenza. And I prophecy some dead but mostly sneezing and mild fever due to american independence from foreign oil and gods gift of shale gas and the bracken basin and resulting favorable health conditions althoug an extra shot might help for the elderly as oranges are recommended for the young ones)
And for the superficial among us, no that is not the same as influencer, Ms Kardashian is an influencer.
nck
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