When Ministers Defend Failed Church of God Prophets

We have all watched over the decades as one prophet after another said one whopper after another and yet here we are, 2020 and not one single thing any of them has ever said has come true. That sadly has never stopped the current crop of liars masquerading as God's most important men here on earth today. The very fact they self-appointed themselves should have been the first clue, but the endless stream of outright lies by these men should have caused every minister in their little group to walk out the door and leave them as they called them the apostate liars they are.  But no.  It rarely happens. Instead, these weak emasculated men DEFEND the liars they are employed by.

Case in point, Ed Winkfield from the Restored Church of God. Never has the church had such an epic failure when it comes to prophesy than Dave Pack.  Well, except for Bob Thiel, Ron Weinland, and Gerald Flurry.  These are all stories for another time.  Back to Dave and Winkfield.

Winkfield wrote an article for the faithful in the RCG regarding prophecy, Putting Prophecy In Perspective.  In it, he writes:

The recent pursuit of prophetic understanding has reshaped our view of the scriptures and revealed more of God’s mind on what a Christian’s priorities should be.

Daniel was close to God and trusted that he would continue to receive understanding. Thus, he may have been shocked when he learned from the angel that there was only so much of the future he could know.

Near the end of his book, Daniel recorded multiple visions. Upon their completion, he was told to “shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end,” and at that time—not a moment sooner—“knowledge shall be increased” (12:4). Still thinking he would be an exception and allowed to know prior what others could not, Daniel inquired in verse 8, “O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?” The angel’s answer in verse 9 told Daniel he would not fully understand the meaning of the visions.

Despite being one of the greatest servants of God to ever live, Daniel was only allowed to know so much. He would not be permitted to understand the entirety of the very things he was recording.

Yet we have been permitted to understand these things. The recent increase in the knowledge of prophecy is actually the fulfillment of prophecy—an irrefutable sign that we are at the time of the end. By revealing prophecies in Daniel, God is doing what He said He would do.

As the Author of prophecy—history written in advance—God foretells major events before they happen: “…new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them” (Isa. 42:9). He continues: “…I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done…” (46:9-10). As “His servants,” we among all people on Earth are uniquely qualified to learn and understand what God says “must shortly come to pass” (Rev. 1:1). 

Here we go with the Daniel excuse that current false prophets love to utter to prove their legitimacy.  These men claim that because Daniel had things withheld form till the end times, that they and they alone know what those hidden things are.

Winkfield believes that the current prophecies of Dave are unprecedented in these modern times as the world spirals out of control in front of Dave's eyes

The urgency of our times has forced the entire Church to learn—over a brief period—prophecy at a level in the past taught only to its leadership over the course of many years in Ambassador College and ministerial conferences. As a “workman” or laborer striving to rightly divide the word of truth (II Tim. 2:15), you have likely studied harder and longer than you ever have. The sheer volume and complexity of information forced you to pour over your sermon notes, puzzle over the timing of events, and ponder the prophecy tools provided. But it has all been worth it as long-standing mysteries are being revealed.

Never has the church seen such a tremendous outpouring of prophetic revelations in church histry as it has today, even the already disproved prophecies of the church ( pre-1986, of course) pales in comparison to today's revelations.

The problem, according to Winkfield, is that prophecy prior to today was incomplete. It needed Dave to come along and set things straight.

The study of prophecy is an extremely rewarding pursuit yet one that can leave you feeling incomplete. Think about it. Despite all the Church has learned in recent years, and even over decades, nagging questions remain. The more we know, the more we want to know—leaving us unable to be completely satisfied. Paul knew this.

Paul also said we know and prophesy “in part.” This phrase is most crucial to recognize—and accept.

The phrase itself is not mysterious. It means a division or share of something whole. The same Greek word, rendered “piece” in Luke 24:42, was used to show Christ was given a part of a fish to eat after His resurrection. Interestingly, the root word for “part” is tied to an allotment, which is “a portion of something given.”

The apostle completes his thought by saying, “when that which is perfect [whole or complete] is come, then that which is in part shall be done away” (I Cor. 13:10).

What was Paul’s point? Prophetic knowledge comes in parts or sections. It is doled out by a loving God in allotments. This is the lesson with which Daniel had to come to grips. Paul’s use of “we” in verse 9 shows that this principle applies not just to individuals, but to the Church collectively. God gives knowledge of prophecy to His chief servants in portions, who then preach it to the Church. Come to grips with God’s process. 

According to Winkfield God dishes out "allotments" to his one true prophet that supersedes all other previous prophecies. Here a little, there a little.  that is why when Dave erases previous sermons or pulls them out of circulation it is because he has received a new allotment of understanding. this sadly leads to confusion in the RCG and members become disillusioned.  It is always the member's fault of getting caught up in church prophets lies, and never the liar himself. It's their fault they believed him in the first place.

Some in God’s Church over the years have gotten excited about prophecy, but mistakenly gone a step further and built their entire faith on the Church’s current level of prophetic understanding. When God inevitably gives another allotment of prophecy, leading to an update in our belief in how things will occur, their entire foundation is shaken. Occasionally it is shaken to the point of causing doubt and they go spiraling out of the Church. Instead of revelation being a blessing, it becomes a stumbling block. This should not be.

Notice the next things Winkfield says.  It is a new excuse when propecehs do no tocme tp pas and the prophet has to make a new revelation. God has not "perfected" his revelation. Any changes that coem later are the result of God "perfecting" the previous revelations.

Only after the prophesied event is “perfect,” meaning it occurred, will we have full knowledge of the event. Read that sentence again. Anyone expecting to have a complete and total understanding of a prophetic event prior to its fulfillment is doomed to fail! Do not allow partial knowledge of prophecy to needlessly frustrate you. Imagine if Daniel got into a bad attitude after the angel told him he could not know it all.

Apparently, everything Dave utters is incomplete and therefore members should NOT take them entirely as the final word. This gives Winkfield and others the excuse to excuse the failed lies of Dave.

Children are known for their insatiable curiosity. While they may not fully understand their world, they do not give up trying to comprehend. Understanding prophecy sparks curiosity in all of us. We are naturally eager to learn and to know details of what the future will bring. We may ponder: How long do we have until the end? What will Christ look like when He returns to His Temple? What is that army that surrounds Jerusalem? What exactly does “exousia” feel like? The questions go on.

Like children, we must continually seek to understand. However, as we slowly learned during our transition from childhood into adulthood, the accumulation of knowledge has its limits. No human being can know everything. (Except for Dave) As the famous saying goes, “The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don’t know.” As we mature, we learn that the amount of information in our world far outstrips our ability to contain it. The Bible does not even include everything Christ did (John 21:25). Paul’s child/man analogy thus is a fitting one for understanding prophecy.

While God requires us to have a suitable grasp of prophetic knowledge for salvation, He does not reveal all there is to know. The pursuit of prophetic understanding builds our faith and keeps us yearning for more—yet we should not allow the quest for this knowledge to consume our thinking to the point of being unbalanced.

Ya think?  Pass that on to Dave.  If anyone is unbalanced in the church right now, it is Dave.

This is where maturity comes in. We must pursue and understand events to come in a proper way. As we have been told, it does us no good to know everything about prophecy—specifically the Kingdom of God and how it will come—if we do not do the things that it takes to be in that Kingdom.

Since when has the Church of God ever truly "do the things" of the kingdom to come? Do they really think the way the Churches of God are run today is an example of what the kingdom of God will like?  Seriously? Heaven help us if it is.

The Word of God is compared to a mirror (Jms. 1:23). While peering into it for prophetic understanding, we, like Paul, can recognize certain elements. But, because the knowledge is partial, we cannot see every detail. Does it mean the details are not there? You get the point.

Paul said he would eventually “know even as also I am known,” meaning he would someday comprehend with such crystal clarity that it would be like seeing himself face to face the way others perceive him—exactly as he is, with the utmost detail. His understanding will be full, just as ours will ultimately be. In the meantime, we must settle with the fact that our knowledge is limited.

Understanding of prophecy comes from God. Though great servants of the past—even in the 20th-century Philadelphian era—could not grasp the fullness and detail of all we are learning, (till Dave, of course) this is not an insult to them. They were no less God’s servants than Daniel, who, along with Noah and Job, was one of the greatest servants who ever lived (Ezek. 14:20). Our prophetic understanding is not a function of our greatness or superiority. Instead, it is an end-time signal and revelation of things set to occur in our lifetimes.

The ability of Dave to make prophecies with each of his new revelations

First, the amazing ability to speak all languages, whether of men or angels, is reduced to noise if one does not display the love of God (vs. 1).

Then notice this, “And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge…” (vs. 2).

Stop. Recognize that this ability would change everything. This power would allow us to fully understand all that we have studied in recent years. With it, we could effortlessly page through Scripture and fully interpret all prophecy ever written. We would know, in crystal-clear detail, everything to come. That would be amazing!

Yet Paul concludes this enviable scenario by stating that even if he understood all prophecy in perfect detail “and have not charity, I am nothing” (vs. 2). Prophetic understanding at its highest level—with an ability to understand all mysteries and possess all knowledge—yet without the love of God—leaves us void.

God unequivocally gave us His perspective on prophecy. The spiritual gifts and abilities discussed in detail in the previous chapter, even in their greatest manifestations, are inferior to displaying the love of God.

Because Dave is filled with so much love, it i ok if hsi proepches fail, becasue ofthat love.

Paul expounds on charity in I Corinthians 13:4-8 by laying out its 16 traits, which then brings us back to the beginning: “Charity never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part” (vs. 8-9).

God is a Being whose thoughts and ways are vastly above our own (Isa. 55:8-9). He, for His own reasons, has decided to reveal prophetic truth at the speed and method of His choosing. It is almost certainly because the events are to soon occur. Also, the effort required to keep up over the last several years has changed you—probably more than you know. This process has sharpened your study skills and helped you build the stamina necessary to do more. Our responsibility as mature Christians is to supplement this prophetic diet with other aspects of Christian living.

Our pastor general, Mr. David Pack, who has written and preached more about the subjects of prophecy and Christian living than anyone, tied both together: “Ultimately…every sermon on Christian living has a prophecy element in it, because your goal is to be part of the Kingdom of God—and that’s all about and the centerpiece of prophecy.” He also stated, “So every time you work on yourself, every time you’re seeking to grow and become more like Jesus Christ…being ready to be a judge to help people all over the world…that’s the ultimate essence of prophecy.”

RCG member's salvation is tied up entirely by its use of the RCG web site. Their eternal life is at stake if they fail to sue the materials provided.

Supplementing our prophetic diet is easier than ever with all the tools available on our website and in our library of materials. Is it more work? Yes, it is. But what could be more rewarding? Eternal life is at stake.

We have long understood that prophecies “fail” (I Cor. 13:8), meaning these events will eventually come to pass and will never happen again. Prophecy has a shelf life. Love, however, never fails. Because God is love (I John 4:8), charity is therefore eternal. It, along with faith and hope, will always be relevant. 

Love.  The Restored Church of God is based upon it!   Tell that to the marriages and families split apart by Dave.

It is a privilege to understand prophesied events. To avoid being on the wrong side of them, however, we must not focus solely on the accumulation of this precious knowledge.

Remain patient and balanced in your approach to prophecy; grow in faith, hope and love. And—most importantly—“live the Book.” 

It is too bad RCG members are so preoccupied with prophecy when every single sermon given by Dave is supposedly filled with new prophetic truth. Just how many times now has Jesus been prophecied to return to Wardsworth and he is still no there. Unless he is shopping at the Giant Eagle and we just done know it yet.