Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!
With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Dave learned about and studied evolution in depth in the same 2.5 year period. LOL, LOLOLOL, LOLOLOLOL. Then so did I. We poured night and day over "A Theory for the Birds" and "A Whale of a Tale"!. Ok, it was mostly pretty pictures in booklet form written at a 5th grade level, but it was deep. LOL+++
Add to this, reading and outlining The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris. No lectures. No study of it. Just read it and outline it to prove you read it.
Dave is lying on the depth of his "study". He is more than ignorant on such topics.
It's amazing to see how easy it is to debunk the preachers of Armstrongism. They have no real theology background. They have never studied science, history, or church history. It's just regurgitated crap they learned from COG booklets and teachings.
WCG Pastors, my youthful self included, were groomed to be HWA salesman. 7:13 is absolutely right. I look back and shake my head at myself but such was the hold of "The Wonderful World Tomorrow" on me in the 1960's and 70's.
Between Aron Ra and this gentleman, this topic presented by Dave is one of the more sorry things he has done. Dave simply quotes creationist tales and outdated apologetics. He is no expert in any of it. He's no expert in theology either of course. Dave has no clue he is an embarrassing example of everything a pastor should be and never remotely was or can be. He's not only gone off the track but he's always on the wrong one anyway so it matters not if he goes off it.
As a side note, I just finished listening to his latest sermon and to be honest, I have no idea what Dave, as a proof texting, out of context, talks too long and says too little Bible reader saying. Truly one of the most confusing presentations in the history of sermons. I KNOW neither member or minister could repeat Dave's "proofs" of "It won't be long now" if you put a gun to their heads. They are Dave's salesmen. Nothing more and nothing less.
I can only assume that both members and ministry are now officially brain dead and have crossed over into the living dead.
Dennis,that you have listened to another ‘Davie Pack’ sermon is impressive. But seriously, how is your mental health and well being holding up? There’s no doubt you are deserving of some form of commendation. A letter from the Queen? From the President? Or just a good cold beer? Take the beer Dennis.
My training is in engineering, and the complexity in nature is on a super higher plane to anything humans have come up with. The video presenters rejection of complexity is incomprehensible verbal mumbo jumbo. Using a discredit Dave Pack to disprove creation is also a cheap shot.
7:13 Sounds like the plethora of “experts” I’ve had the unfortunate displeasure to put up with hearing each night on the TV or radio not only over the last 2 years with covid but even before then with the “climate crisis. And they’re still not showing any signs of letting up! “Please dear God deliver me from all these experts!”��
Since Dave is not a Christian I find it quite appropriate that an atheist can so easily take him down. Everyone from real Christians to atheists knows Dave to be a liar. Kind of reminds me of Bob Thiel. These fools are so easily idenitifable.
Anonymous Anonymous said... Dennis,that you have listened to another ‘Davie Pack’ sermon is impressive. But seriously, how is your mental health and well being holding up? There’s no doubt you are deserving of some form of commendation. A letter from the Queen? From the President? Or just a good cold beer? Take the beer Dennis. ============================
Admittedly, I TRIED to listen and after a time was skipping ahead only to have it sound like I was not skipping ahead at all. I'm doing pretty well as long as I check in with my mental health counselor and get myself down to the river in search of stone tools and arrowheads.
I can pass on the commendation as the last one I got was a crumby watch with a Lion and a Lamb obscuring the face with a dead battery. It ignited my PTSD Post Theological Stress Disorder. :)
Listening to two childish egg heads trying to sound intelligent. Dave is bad enough, but the Dud trying to tear Dave apart is a typical atheist know it all about nothing.
Please, please, if you are trying to tear down people’s faith, belief and research, please, please get someone who can rebut with a semblance of love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. Oh, drat, I forgot, atheists can’t have them, their heart has been darkened. On the other hand, it would help to have some sound mindedness on the other side.
I think David Pack is a "closet" atheist. He couldn't possibly believe that crap that he teaches. The amount of money his blind sheep give him is an obvious motivator in teaching the Armstrong delusion.
Anonymous said... "It has been said that you can always find someone with a PhD to say whatever it is that you want to hear. "
Excellent description of Bob Thiel! ==========================
Also, good description of the stuff posted on Banned by disgruntled self aggrandizing bias critics with super egos. And, the real definition of PhD is even closer and better. i.e. “Piled higher and Deeper.”
It’s so telling to watch rumor mongers cry out against already known problems as if they are the great PhD’s bringing it to light for the first time with their “sophisticated creative leaps of imagination.”
“The failures of the world are always negative and complaining about the more successful.”——- Success Motivation publications.
You shall know them by their works…. So, now that you’ve torn down the rest of the world, how about showing all the good works you’ve all done building a positive alternative. Oh, there are none to brag about, you say?
Like ole’ Wyatt said to the creep in the saloon, “You gonna do something or just stand there and bleed? I thought so. Now out you go youngster, and don’t comeback….ever!”
Don’t forget, Have a nice day.
Looking forward to the massive flooding of positive inspiring uplifting joyful posts on Banned. Oh, that’s what the name means, “All unbiased positive noncritical posts are forever BANNED ON BANNED.”
12:11 - No, Silly! It's all in your perspective. Most of us derive a great sense of positivity from the continued downfall of even the small remnants of Armstrongism. We are not a theological organization, so we leave it up to those who see the light and are leaving their splinters to find and build their own positive alternatives. We don't spoon feed our own personal solutions to anybody.
And by the way, how can you say that we are complaining about the more successful? Armstrongism is a failed movement, not a successful one. It rose and fell in like fashion to a pyramid scheme, or a long game grifting technique. We who left are the successful ones who often needed to work very hard to repair the damages HWA inflicted on our lives, and to rise above it all.
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The problem with this video is that he claims Dave Pack is a Christian. He is not.
Dave learned about and studied evolution in depth in the same 2.5 year period. LOL, LOLOLOL, LOLOLOLOL. Then so did I. We poured night and day over "A Theory for the Birds" and "A Whale of a Tale"!. Ok, it was mostly pretty pictures in booklet form written at a 5th grade level, but it was deep. LOL+++
Add to this, reading and outlining The Genesis Flood by Whitcomb and Morris. No lectures. No study of it. Just read it and outline it to prove you read it.
Dave is lying on the depth of his "study". He is more than ignorant on such topics.
Someone needs to let Paulogia know about Bob Thiel. He would have a treasure trove of things to debunk there.
It's amazing to see how easy it is to debunk the preachers of Armstrongism. They have no real theology background. They have never studied science, history, or church history. It's just regurgitated crap they learned from COG booklets and teachings.
WCG Pastors, my youthful self included, were groomed to be HWA salesman. 7:13 is absolutely right. I look back and shake my head at myself but such was the hold of "The Wonderful World Tomorrow" on me in the 1960's and 70's.
Between Aron Ra and this gentleman, this topic presented by Dave is one of the more sorry things he has done. Dave simply quotes creationist tales and outdated apologetics. He is no expert in any of it. He's no expert in theology either of course. Dave has no clue he is an embarrassing example of everything a pastor should be and never remotely was or can be. He's not only gone off the track but he's always on the wrong one anyway so it matters not if he goes off it.
As a side note, I just finished listening to his latest sermon and to be honest, I have no idea what Dave, as a proof texting, out of context, talks too long and says too little Bible reader saying. Truly one of the most confusing presentations in the history of sermons. I KNOW neither member or minister could repeat Dave's "proofs" of "It won't be long now" if you put a gun to their heads. They are Dave's salesmen. Nothing more and nothing less.
I can only assume that both members and ministry are now officially brain dead and have crossed over into the living dead.
Dennis,that you have listened to another ‘Davie Pack’ sermon is impressive.
But seriously, how is your mental health and well being holding up?
There’s no doubt you are deserving of some form of commendation. A letter from the Queen? From the President?
Or just a good cold beer?
Take the beer Dennis.
My training is in engineering, and the complexity in nature is on a super higher plane to anything humans have come up with. The video presenters rejection of complexity is incomprehensible verbal mumbo jumbo.
Using a discredit Dave Pack to disprove creation is also a cheap shot.
7:13 Sounds like the plethora of “experts” I’ve had the unfortunate displeasure to put up with hearing each night on the TV or radio not only over the last 2 years with covid but even before then with the “climate crisis. And they’re still not showing any signs of letting up! “Please dear God deliver me from all these experts!”��
Since Dave is not a Christian I find it quite appropriate that an atheist can so easily take him down. Everyone from real Christians to atheists knows Dave to be a liar. Kind of reminds me of Bob Thiel. These fools are so easily idenitifable.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dennis,that you have listened to another ‘Davie Pack’ sermon is impressive.
But seriously, how is your mental health and well being holding up?
There’s no doubt you are deserving of some form of commendation. A letter from the Queen? From the President?
Or just a good cold beer?
Take the beer Dennis.
============================
Admittedly, I TRIED to listen and after a time was skipping ahead only to have it sound like I was not skipping ahead at all. I'm doing pretty well as long as I check in with my mental health counselor and get myself down to the river in search of stone tools and arrowheads.
I can pass on the commendation as the last one I got was a crumby watch with a Lion and a Lamb obscuring the face with a dead battery. It ignited my PTSD Post Theological Stress Disorder. :)
I want to see Gerald "beer gut" Flurry taken down a peg or two.
What a waste of time.
Listening to two childish egg heads trying to sound intelligent. Dave is bad enough, but the Dud trying to tear Dave apart is a typical atheist know it all about nothing.
Please, please, if you are trying to tear down people’s faith, belief and research, please, please get someone who can rebut with a semblance of love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. Oh, drat, I forgot, atheists can’t have them, their heart has been darkened. On the other hand, it would help to have some sound mindedness on the other side.
Oh well, maybe next year.
I think David Pack is a "closet" atheist. He couldn't possibly believe that crap that he teaches. The amount of money his blind sheep give him is an obvious motivator in teaching the Armstrong delusion.
It has been said that you can always find someone with a PhD to say whatever it is that you want to hear.
Strange cartoon.
"It has been said that you can always find someone with a PhD to say whatever it is that you want to hear. "
Excellent description of Bob Thiel!
Anonymous said...
"It has been said that you can always find someone with a PhD to say whatever it is that you want to hear. "
Excellent description of Bob Thiel!
==========================
Also, good description of the stuff posted on Banned by disgruntled self aggrandizing bias critics with super egos. And, the real definition of PhD is even closer and better. i.e. “Piled higher and Deeper.”
It’s so telling to watch rumor mongers cry out against already known problems as if they are the great PhD’s bringing it to light for the first time with their “sophisticated creative leaps of imagination.”
“The failures of the world are always negative and complaining about the more successful.”——- Success Motivation publications.
You shall know them by their works…. So, now that you’ve torn down the rest of the world, how about showing all the good works you’ve all done building a positive alternative. Oh, there are none to brag about, you say?
Like ole’ Wyatt said to the creep in the saloon, “You gonna do something or just stand there and bleed? I thought so. Now out you go youngster, and don’t comeback….ever!”
Don’t forget, Have a nice day.
Looking forward to the massive flooding of positive inspiring uplifting joyful posts on Banned. Oh, that’s what the name means, “All unbiased positive noncritical posts are forever BANNED ON BANNED.”
12:11 - No, Silly! It's all in your perspective. Most of us derive a great sense of positivity from the continued downfall of even the small remnants of Armstrongism. We are not a theological organization, so we leave it up to those who see the light and are leaving their splinters to find and build their own positive alternatives. We don't spoon feed our own personal solutions to anybody.
And by the way, how can you say that we are complaining about the more successful? Armstrongism is a failed movement, not a successful one. It rose and fell in like fashion to a pyramid scheme, or a long game grifting technique. We who left are the successful ones who often needed to work very hard to repair the damages HWA inflicted on our lives, and to rise above it all.
Good Work Guy's . Pack hates the truth. You expose these Pastors . Good Work Good News!!
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