David C. Pack Moonwalks
David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God gave his staff after-lunch indigestion by making them hear “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 388)” on Tuesday, August 23. How anyone can still hold down their meal after hearing his opening remark is beyond me.
@ 00:05 We meet yet again. We’re still on track.
If RCG was honestly “on track,” Jesus Christ would have returned after sundown last Tuesday night. Dave makes no mention of that biblical non-arrival nor does he feature his own un-ending of the series with a new un-final message.
Spoiler Alert: Dave sets a new date for Elul 1 which is sundown on Saturday, August 27, 2022.
This message is a good example for those who want to experience Dave dismantling his own teachings. He does not say that is what he is doing, but those who understand what he either recently taught or has been teaching for the past year can recognize it for what it is.
He is prophetically moving backward but presenting it with the appearance of moving forward. Yes, David C. Pack is moonwalking. Whether or not Part 389 contains him doing the Cabbage Patch is anyone’s guess.
Dave read the Kingdom of God parables in Matthew and Luke, and then tied them into Daniel.
@ 00:17 It would be important to God that we correctly identify the first Kingdom.
@ 04:57 If we’re waiting for Christ to bring the Kingdom of God, we should know it. And this series wouldn’t be over until that was suddenly figured out after lo, these many years.
@ 05:45 That means the Kingdom of God, His everlasting kingdom came before the Father got here on the Day of the Lord.
@ 05:58 Suddenly, it became absolutely clear that the First Kingdom is the Kingdom of God. And I’m gonna give you more proofs. But we’re gonna were’ gonna clear this up briefly before we go on to some other things that are not quite as exciting but in but incredibly interesting. So, again, I wanna just state, if you’re going to be the first people to enter the Kingdom of God, then you outta know it. And you outta know it absolutely. And you will. You will know it absolutely.
We have again entered the Bizzaro World of David C.raptacular Pack. Those comments are intended to be eye-popping moments for those inside The Restored Church of God. The funny-in-a-painful way thing is that everyone already knew that. They knew all of that.
There are church-goers in the Wadsworth Neighbors Facebook group who could tell you as much. The Worldwide Church of God always taught that Jesus Christ brings the Kingdom of God. The Father comes after. Church members go into the Kingdom first. RCG taught that since 1999. How is this something Dave had “suddenly figured out” and got all excited about?
If anyone in that audience went home and found their notes from before 2015, they would find that same information using Matthew, Luke, and Daniel and remember that conclusion was long-taught-and-forgot.
What other former doctrines will make a comeback? Is a “Big T” return on the horizon?
Starting with Part 387, the table has been bare.
The coffee and spices and glasses are not there because "We don’t need that anymore.” They are not there because they are not true anymore.
That was the Present Truth of the past, brethren. Forget about what has been taught in 2022 because that will just confuse you, brethren. Let the past go, brethren.
@ 09:56 So, let me close by saying we are praying for and waiting for Jesus Christ to come with the Father to bring the Kingdom of God. End of story. It took a long time to get there. But, we’re there nevertheless. So, if the last messages are to explain the Mystery of God it would seem to me it should could include this. It should absolutely include this.
Okay, so that is still a Dave-centric teaching that the Father comes with Christ. Even though earlier he said Jesus Christ is the one who brings the Kingdom. I suppose that is just nuance.
@ 13:56 I wanna show you something absolutely incredible and none of us ever knew. You're gonna learn some truly amazing things here.
Dave reminds me of Tom Sawyer convincing his friends of the concept of how fun whitewashing the fence is. It is true because he says so. It is all psychological salesmanship.
He then grabbed a shovel and headed to the graveyard so he could dig up a corpse to beat it to death again.
@ 18:23 Now a story about the most evil man I ever knew, Joseph Tkach.
He uses the death of Joseph W. Tkach on Trumpets in 1995 as a way to prove that the Kingdom comes on Trumpets. He is much more colorful than that if you want to hear him tell the story.
Dave is all worked up about the Day of Lord beginning on Trumpets.
Herbert W. Armstrong suspected that Jesus Christ would return on Trumpets but never made it a full-blown church doctrine. Even he knew that would prove to be unwise.
@ 21:45 It has become absolute heresy to reject that the Day of the Lord comes on the Feast of Trumpets.
Oops. I have a feeling that David C. Pack in the future is going to commit heresy when he unteaches this doctrine. David C. Pack from today is going to get into a time machine to set that guy straight.
Dave then attempts an analogy with the solar system and Trumpets being the sun. Everything around Trumpets is locked in place and cannot move. The tail end is the notable portion.
@ 23:29 If you see it that way, then you then you you you can understand you change the solar system and everything breaks. You take one planet out of the nine they now, what is it? Now ten they say? Take one of those ten planets out or even a significant moon or any moon off of any planet and did you know that the solar system will slowly begin to break up, it will come apart? Because all the gravitational attraction came together perfectly to create this system where we live.
Aron Ra would have a field day with the scientific thinking behind this one.
At this point, even I became bored with this message. To spare you, here is a proof-free summary:
The Day of the Lord is still on Trumpets but there is a kingdom in front of that. The Last Days means “the last days of the month.” There is a 45-day period that is split in two. The first is 15 and the other is 30. The ministers were “blown away.” The 1335 is still rolling on since it began on Av 15, but means there were "15 days to go."
Here is where Dave and his math confuse me. Av 15 with "15 days to go" means Av 30, which begins Friday at sunset. But then he says this:
@ 1:06:17 So, it looks like Elul 1 is a shadow of the Kingdom of God in power that ends with a Holy Day.
Av 30 must be “close enough” to Elul 1 so it is now on Dave’s Prophetic Failure Calendar.
Av 30 or Elul 1. Dave will be wrong either way, so being precise on exactly what he means is irrelevant.
In an unexpected turn, Dave completely dismantles his own “bombshell” from Part 387 which in Leviticus 26:18, :21, :24, and :28 “seven times” meant “a week.” He offered no apology to the translators which he threw heartily under the bus.
Watch this 3-minute video and note the evidence he uses to make his point. Then revisit the article, Seven Time Fraud to see the striking similarities. Maybe the Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy are now fans.
His own 28-day period evaporated. Just like the “not-really-a-50-day-count to Trumpets” or even the not-at-all mentioned 40-day count to Trumpets. That was then, this is now. It is all about 45 days split into 15 and then 30. At least he is being more creative with his numbers.
I need to thank David C Pack for validating me in such a phenomenal way during his Bible study though I will still be sending BAO my bill for $60.
It was quite surreal to have my credibility suddenly elevated. I will not let this go to my head but it tells me, “I am on the right track.”
You're welcome, Dave. You're welcome.
Marc Cebrian
26 comments:
David Pack does not blow seven times but seventy times seven. He blows more hot air than Louis Armstrong ever did through a trumpet and is 7,000 times more of a blowhard.
The man of spin has been revealed.
Oh yessss…!!!! More cowbell….excellent…Keep it coming Marc
Dave needs to moonwalk through a calendar. NYT says Tkach died on Friday Sept 22, Wikipedia says Sept 23, ""Trumpets"" began sunset Sept 24.
If David C Pack is inspired by and speaking for God, then there is only one conclusion possible: God is the author of confusion!
"Anonymous said...
Dave needs to moonwalk through a calendar. NYT says Tkach died on Friday Sept 22, Wikipedia says Sept 23, ""Trumpets"" began sunset Sept 24."
If Joseph Tkach's death was God's judgment, then why would he wait 40 weeks to do it? The night of the 12/24/1994 sermon would have been perfect timing. Even 40 days later would have made an impact.
Myself and many others were already gone before the famous Christmas Eve sermon. Most of the splintering was happening in the Spring of 1995 if I recall correctly.
The damage was done and most would have never known or did the math to think and pause and wonder if this was in any way God's judgment.
If the math is incorrect and Joseph Tkach's doesn't die exactly 40 weeks later, then it isn't even worthy of discussion.
Joseph W. Tkach, Sr. died on September 23, 1995, exactly 40 weeks after doing away with the Sabbath in a December 17, 1994 sermon in Atlanta Georgia.
LCG: Weekly recycled smackdown.
RCG: Weekly wrong date guess.
CCG: Weekly wimpy whine.
“Sermon given by Joseph W. Tkach Sr. in Atlanta, Georgia, on Saturday December 17, 1994, Santa Barbara, California, December 20, and Big Sandy, Texas, December 24; printed in the Pastor General’s Report, December 21, 1994 and The Worldwide News, January 5, 1995.”
Ha ha ha on Herbert W. Armstrong, and on David Pack, and all the other Armstrongite ersatz spiritual guides! They had me convinced that all of my dreams for a good life would come to an end in 1972 when I was only 24 years old and the Germans would land. I'd be a member of the 27 club in 1975, which would be the time at which my physical life ended. But, here it is, 2022, and I actually got to live my dreams that they lied and told me I couldn't have. The best part is I know now that I don't have to teach and enforce all of their crap on fellow humans in their Mickey Mouse version of a Kingdom either!
I can't imagine the depression I would be suffering if at age 74 I realized I had wasted the entire last 50 years on the edge of my seat waiting for their false prophecies to be fulfilled. It makes me wonder what my parents' last thoughts were as they looked back while on their death beds and realized that their entire lives were not going to be validated. They were wasted on a scam!
December 17th 1994 plus 30 weeks ends up on September 23rd 1995 according to Time and Date.com which proves out the 40 weeks as reported.
The way Dave Pack trash talked Tkach, and how he has trash talked everyone who has wised up and left his headquarters convinces me that he would have been better suited in life working at a movie theater. He is an excellent projectionist!
"God is the author of confusion"...Only the God of this world. Be careful whom you worSHIP, that WAR is raging between good and evil and will SINK to the bottom.
John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship/REVERENCE the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24
ELOHIM/God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Marc, random question here: does DCP pay a good wage to his ministry and employees? Enough to live securely and pay their bills, although probably not enough to secure a nest egg since he thinks there won't be a need for a nest any minute. LOL. Just wondering why so many stay in his employ, surely not for spiritual reasons!
You have a very clever way with words. If Dave would only read these blogs he could get a little more humor into his otherwise chaotic lectures.
Confirmed directly from PACK---
New date ,--- August 49th !
Anon, Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:21:00 AM PDT, quoted this listing of scripture:
"God is the author of confusion"...Only the God of this world. Be careful whom you worSHIP, that WAR is raging between good and evil and will SINK to the bottom.
John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship/REVERENCE the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24
ELOHIM/God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
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Perhaps we may want to consider the following scripture also?
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."
1 Thessalonians 2:13
I consider that verse because it appears that the "NeverEnding" words that come out of Dave Pack's "always on track to nowhere" mouth are not the words of God, but are those of men (similar to Weston, Winnail, Shabi, Franks, Flurry, etc.) a shamed, spiritually naked, man (like the other men mentioned and many other former wcg hirelings could join them), a confused man (men), but...
Time will tell...
John
8:03.
Sadly, Dave doesn’t read these blogs, instead has two boy toys that read these and report back to him
The ministry makes approximately $50k per year or did at one time. DP will cut salary after he loses tithe payers if the income isn't enough. He has put many ministers on zero salary and expected them to go back to work outside the Church and still keep up ministerial duties for free.
DP is convinced the Kingdom will be here before the end of the year. Wonder what will happen when nothing happens by Trumpets.
He'd better rotate those two boys periodically, because if any of them read here regularly, are still impressionable, or have strong IQ's they will not be able to help themselves! They will leave RCG.
I was gone sometime before that too. I remember speaking on the phone to my father after that sermon and he was upset, to put it mildly.
For many ACOG ministers, their job is a wet dream come true. They are treated like royalty by the laity, and can meddle in and micro manage their members lives. It's heaven on earth for schoolyard bully ministers.
Which is why Dave and others splinter leaders can abuse their ministers and demand that they teach all manner of nonsense.
My recollection of the Worldwide Church of God from the 1960s/1970s is that it was widely speculated that Christ would return on the Feast of Trumpets. Even as a teenager, I remember I could never figure out how a 3 1/2-year Great Tribulation could exactly fit into a tribulation that started in the first week of January 1972 (second 19-year time cycle) and ended with Christ's return on the Feast of Trumpets in September 1975. Three- and one-half years would have ended in the first week of July 1975 - a little more than two months short!
Richard
I remember going to the Winternational drag races at Pomona in 1972, and asking myself "How is this all going to suddenly fall apart and go into a tribulation?" It just didn't seem to be going in that direction at all. It was at that point that my mind began to rethink so many of the things which I had been taught. Still, I gave them until 1975. Seemed like the only fair and logical thing to do. When Jesus didn't keep the appointment HWA had made for Him, I left. Someone who has lied to you about something so very epochal, and who has told you they were an Apostle and got it from God doesn't deserve further chances. It was exponentially worse than Santa Claus! The church should have ceased to exist at that point. But, the leaders spun and back-pedaled, and most of the members reprogrammed themselves, and they've been allowing their leaders to revise their "imminent" prophecies on a regular basis for decades since. Dave Pack has refined the rescheduling of these prophecies to a whole new level!
Disagree totally. Only tiny extremist COG groups such as Dave Pack's and Flurry's PCG operate in that manner. Maybe a few rogue ministers here and there but the vast majority of ministry have to abide by the rules of decency.
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