Spilling the Beans
After weeks of teasing and playing coy, Pastor General David C. Pack finally spilled the beans about exactly when Jesus Christ will return, thus proving to all the mocking naysayer enemy attackers who has God’s ear after all.
But not quite yet.
The resident false apostle of The Restored Church of God really knew how to dangle that taunting carrot on the stick when everyone knew he would eventually flash his prophetic boobies just to see the thrill in their eyes.
At first, he came on pretty strong during "The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 512)" on May 11, 2024.
Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 07:25 But I know when the Seven Year Kingdom begins. The very day. Absolutely. I know it…
@ 07:47 I’ve got 50 proofs of when this happens. I absolutely know and know that I know and know that I know that I know.
@ 1:40:19 I'll just say one last time and, and nobody gonna get it out of me. I know the date this comes. It’s impossible that it’s wrong. Impossible.
It was very…suspicious…when he held it back. When Dave typically does this, you find out later he was uncertain or just changed his mind entirely. This deceptive stalling tactic becomes less effective each time he leans on it.
True to form one week later, during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 513)” on May 18, 2024, David C. Pack doubled down on his prophetic assertions and teased the answer was coming. With a twist. Oh, boy.
Part 513 – May 18, 2024
@ 00:22 I told ya that I know the date, and I’m three times more certain of it than I was when I told you it was impossible that it was wrong.
@ 48:50 But, you can’t know anything until you know when the First Kingdom starts. So, that’s what we need to talk about. Now, I want you to stay with me because this is gonna take quite a twist. It’s gonna take an unexpected and very powerful twist at the end. You can't anticipate it. But I want to explain something to you because what we're gonna do illustrates a lot of our challenges.
@ 49:18 We’ve gotta revisit when do the Seven Years start? I told you a week ago, I wuddn’t sure I should get into this. Now I know I have to… And we’re gonna start it tonight. I can now answer when it begins, but I wanna repeat an unexpected, powerful twist arrives at the end tonight. Stay with me.
David C. Pack drags The Restored Church of God through 80 minutes of suffering, wasting their Sabbath away and still not telling them the date. Instead, he does a bait-and-switch by presenting a 40-point list proving Jesus Christ will return on Trumpets. The twist was a biblical middle finger for his audience.
@ 50:49 But, I want you to see how easy it is to prove it’s Trumpets in the Bible.
David C. Pack spends the next 27 minutes teaching 40 points from his list. In the end, the list was declared as not actually proving anything.
@ 1:17:50 That’s a powerful list. But, you’re saying to yourself, “It’s 19 ½ more weeks to go. What?” God waited eight years and eight months from the start of the Series from September of 2015 to reveal the correct Seven-Year Kingdom date now?
@ 1:18:24 Last week, we saw in detail (and I alluded to this a moment ago) the enormous of chal–challenge of what the Seven Year Kingdom is, that it looks better than the Kingdom of God. We eventually saw it’s not the Kingdom of God. But, oh, does it look like it.
@ 1:19:38 Could Trumpets be the same? Instead of Trumpets, is there an entirely different way of looking at the mysterious date we’re waiting for? I have 133 points (some of them strong enough by themself) that say Yes. [laughs] And, unlike Trumpets, they're impossible to overturn. Impossible to overturn. But it illustrates the difficulty of the Series.
This futile exercise demonstrated to the disgruntled membership how hard prophecy is to figure out. That is why men must be Spirit-led and inspired by the True God. True prophets, true apostles, and true teachers do not struggle like this. That subtle detail is lost on David C. Pack and the hireling enablers at Headquarters.
David C. Pack does not realize how his own words invalidate himself. He perfectly demonstrates how no list he ever creates actually proves anything in 3…2...1…
@ 1:20:04 I just proved it's Trumpets, and there's no way it's Trumpets any more than the Seven Years is the Kingdom of God. It illustrates how hard this is. ‘Cause I know some of you, your hearts sank, “Mr. Pack, we’re goin’ back to Trumpets again?”
@ 1:20:30 It is not Trumpets. One of the great, truly great Bible stories comes next. It's so big and so powerful, I can't even do it in the next Sabbath…
@ 1:20:49 In the meantime, stay close to God. Meet all the requirements to go first and be ready. We'll be back next Sabbath, and I’ll tell you why we’re not waiting till October 3rd. Good night.
That was it. That was Part 513. A pure vanity exercise that allowed Dave to procrastinate a bit longer so that the dull-eared among the brethren would not notice that he changed his tune. He switched the beans on them and most probably never noticed.
After toying with the hearts of his eager worshippers, David C. Pack finally spilled the beans on when Jesus Christ would return.
Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 00:16 Okay. When do the Seven Years begin? We've been talking about it and sort of at it, around it a little bit for the last two weeks. But when do they begin?
It was a secret for weeks—but no longer.
Jesus Christ Will Return on Sivan 1!
Or Maybe Pentecost.
(June 7! Or maybe June 16.)
Sivan 1 begins at 8:56 PM ET on June 6
Pentecost begins at 9:01 PM ET on June 15
Take your pick.
Is that trumpet giving an uncertain sound? Yes. Yes, it is. For all his bravado, Dave falls short of nailing it down because prophecy is just so darn hard to figure out. But, on the bright side, he has more lists to wave.
During Part 513, David C. Pack used his potent list to prove Jesus Christ would return on the Feast of Trumpets to make a point He will not return on the Feast of Trumpets.
During Part 514 the next week, he performed a similar gimmick with his fascinating points leading to “impossible it’s wrong” Sivan 1. Or, so we thought.
Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 06:26 About three weeks ago, I created a document which I called “Sivan 1.” And a lotta points on it. About 60 different points that pointed to that (no pun intended), but they pointed to to Sivan.
@ 20:27 I’m just tryin' to give you easy stuff, so we're thinkin’ Spring. You know it can’t be too long because I’m near the end of the Series. I have very little left to go. I certainly don’t have enough material to get us to Trumpets.
@ 32:51 It could easily be saying right before Sivan, right before Sivan 1 at sundown (‘cause He would come to us a little before that), He’s gonna come back same Jesus, same way, same time.
@ 36:47 …then it’s telling you that judges and counselors judges and counselors (now, this is important) were appointed on Sivan 1.
@ 38:49 And I’m telling you, it’s impossible to argue with Sivan 1. That’s why it became so important for me…I need to know, are we looking at Christ ascended to heaven for the only time He will ever do that right before Sivan 1?
While making his case for Sivan 1, Dave leaves a trail of beans leading brethren away from the specific day he adamantly asserted.
@ 45:34 God does things in Spring. So, all of this is pointing away from not just Trumpets but any other month other than Sivan 1.
@ 54:10 But, we’d been keeping New Moons. Why have we been keeping ‘em? Well, the answer is pretty obvious now. We’ve kept seven because we’re watching for one. We’ve been trained for a little over half a year to watch for a New Moon.
Wow. The case for Jesus Christ returning on Sivan 1 is pretty solid, right?
Wrong.
Instead of ending the blathering Bible study after 55 minutes and settling on Sivan 1, Dave had to toss some wiggle worms into the can of prophetic beans. My observation he was actually stalling proved correct again.
@ 55:10 But I began to be suspicious of something else, and I don’t know if I’m right or wrong. But I’m gonna lay it out to you.
Dave may not know if he is right or wrong, but everyone else already has the correct answer. He is wrong and will always be wrong. It is impossible for him to get anything prophetic right. He is a professional moron. The perpetual Bible student who never produces anything real. The inept prophecy hobbyist too dumb to realized when he stuck his foot in his mouth.
It is disturbing that he knows what he is about to teach is self-indulgent presumption but pushes forward anyway. If there is a slight, outside chance Dave might be right about something, he is compelled to get in front of it to claim the premature glory. What a misery it would be for him to be finally right about something prophetic and realize too late he lacked the courage to shout it in the streets.
He throws more darts on the prophetic guessing board to see if one finally sticks.
Given his documented track record, why should anyone in The Restored Church of Another god entertain the smallest notion of anything he says next?
@ 55:16 And, and it'll just be whatever it is.
Whatever it is? It is a waste of time. That is what it always proves to be.
Instead of giving the brethren at Headquarters thirty more minutes of their Sabbath back to go do anything else, David C. Pack makes them sit in their chairs to force-feed them biblical fantasy.
@ 55:46 And I I feel compelled to to lay this out for the balance of the of the time. But, it’s it’s fascinating. If if nothing else, what I’m gonna tell you, I mean, confirms in one of the most powerful ways that WE have this right.
David C. Pack hides what he previously said and hopes to speak past it so that only a few brethren paying attention would notice.
@ 56:04 We have the right time of year. But in a in a in a wuh–with a twist. I told you were gonna get into the subject of Trumpets, and there was a twist like here's the twist: it iddn’t Trumpets. That’s a pretty big twist.But, anyway, here we are with a with a kind of a twist.
David C. Pack suffers from a confused, twisted mind. On top of that, the man is a certified liar. He will prove that anyone who cares to listen in 3…2…1…
@ 1:13:42 I told you I knew exactly when this was, and that's true. I know it’s in Spring. But I will I will just tell you, if you wanna know where I am, I’m dead down the middle 50/50 whether we’ve got a 12-day wait or 21 minus some hours. I’m dead down the middle.
Stop
Knowing the season is not even close to what he bragged the past few weeks.
Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 07:25 But I know when the Seven Year Kingdom begins. The very day. Absolutely. I know it…
@ 07:47 I’ve got 50 proofs of when this happens. I absolutely know and know that I know and know that I know that I know.
@ 1:24:30 If God wants me to, I’ll tell you the day it comes. This First Kingdom. ‘Cause I know absolutely as certain as I know my own name.
@ 1:40:19 I'll just say one last time and and nobody gonna get it out of me. I know the date this comes. It’s impossible that it’s wrong. Impossible.
@ 1:41:57 If God wants me to tell you the date …If He wants me to, I’ll tell you.
@ 1:42:58 I always told you when I had the wrong date. Now I know I’ve got the right one. But I’m not gonna do it.
Flashback Part 513 – May 18, 2024
@ 00:22 I told ya that I know the date, and I'm three times more certain of it than I was when I told you it was impossible that it was wrong.
All evidence concludes that David C. Pack is a bald-faced liar.
When someone pays attention to what he says, writes it down, and then reads it back later, that person is a devil-driven enemy of God attacking the church. But when someone teaches 1,200 people while claiming God's name and authority to preach 82 failed dates for the return of Jesus Christ, that person is an apostle and God's only true mouthpiece.
Come on, now. Which one of us here has any real credibility?
Hey, Brad or Ed…. Would you care to take that on?
I didn’t think so.
Being split 50/50 between two dates nine days apart is not “exactly.” Knowing a season of the year is not “exactly.” Any other lunatic could proclaim a season of the year and have a 25% of eventually getting it right.
David C. Pack knew what he was doing when he twisted his words to hold up the flag of “that’s true” when what he said was not true. Not even a little bit.
Dave makes a case for Pentecost with another pointless list, allowing the dark spirit that is moving him to inspire his suspicion. Yikes.
Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 1:14:29 Is that when God would raise Elijah? Would He raise others to power? The world first sees God’s power on Pentecost or Sivan 1?
@ 1:31:04 So, if you were me, if if you were I, you you would you would be suspicious of Pentecost ‘cause one a two things is true: God is He either wants to hit Pentecost or come near it.
False prophets also like to come near a target without needing to hit it exactly.
David C. Pack proves what a colossal waste of time it is for him to spend hours locked away in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium with Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy foolishly crafting stupid lists that do nothing and mean nothing in 3…2…1…
@ 1:31:35 Virtually every point proving Sivan 1 can be tweaked to fit Pentecost equally.
Mic drop.
The Pastor General of The Restored Church of Another god continuously ignores the implications of the words that fall from his lips. He cannot seem to perceive that which is beyond his nose. Unless someone places their hands on the wooden walls of the Main Hall. That he can see from across the room.
Dave made the point exemplifying that every single list he had ever conjured could be “tweaked to fit” anything else, making them of zero value and utterly unremarkable.
David C. Pack is wasting his time. He is wasting the time of the RCG brethren. And the passive, gutless husks at Headquarters permit his madness to continue unabated. Shame on the lot of those desolate hirelings.
@ 1:33:47 We can pray for the first date. I'm very, very, very suspicious and I have a I told ya I had a 133-points. There is way more than what I told you. I’m very suspicious of the latter. Godspeed either. Good night.
There you have it.
Jesus Christ will return on Sivan 1, but it is equally possible for Him to return on Pentecost. A 50/50 shot is for cowards at the roulette table and false apostles like David C. Pack.
David C. Pack spilled the beans. But do not eat them. Like everything he offers, they are poison.
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David C Pack of lies
That photo of Dave Pack with his shopping list is great to use in a meme somewhere.
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@3:40 "..it illustrates how hard this is.."
@4:02 "..it's so big.."
Does this refer to the End Time Oracle's impressive 'Appendage'?
Finally mystery message has been appended; a very impressive Appendage!
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Dave Pack's shopping list
It's no longer cute or sympatheic or Christlike to treat Dave's duped flock with concern, care, etc. They are at this point supporting him now long enough for that to be considered accessory to the "crime" of them all offering "Dave-ism" to the world.
They should all disband every one, & start a new less intrusive, less lying congregation without him, in peace.
"@ 20:27 I’m just tryin' to give you easy stuff, so we're thinkin’ Spring. You know it can’t be too long because I’m near the end of the Series. I have very little left to go. I certainly don’t have enough material to get us to Trumpets."
So Pack is worried that if Jesus does not return soon enough, Pack will run out of things to say in his sermons? Is he more concerned about being right about when Christ will return because otherwise he will have to find more to waffle on about for longer, trying to find some other reasons to prove why he is always right even when he is wrong?
Pack is running out of steam, and worried no one will be left in RCG to donate to him, to keep him in the manner to which he has become accustomed.
Marc, Thank you for continually exposing this abuser and false prophet.
Dave Pack spilled the beans, a lively start,
Beans, beans, they're good for the heart.
The more Pack you hear,
THE MORE YOU FART!
I'm guessing TF (terminal flatulence)
Since we find ourselves on the topic of beans, even if Satan himself were able to fart, I bet Dave's would smell worse!
Old Joke: What do you get if you eat a Bible and Exlax?
A religious movement! 😂
It must be someone else with the initials J.C!!
He's 8 minutes off. It's June 6, 8:37 PM ET.
"We are the closest we ever have been to nuclear annihilation."
-- Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, advisor to the UN, news analyst.
Perhaps Dave won't be around to spew his B.S. any longer.
I believe we have proven that DCP lacks the capacity of introspection and the ability or desire to look back at the countless prophetic failures he has accumulated over years now. He lives only in the moment of his current thoughts and speculations that can neither be questioned and are absolutely true which of course they can be and aren't true at all.
Dave does not learn from mistakes because he blocks them out and thus never makes them. To admit to that would shatter DCP's need to be perfect and precise, though he is always far from either. But he believes he is and that's the rub. Dave possesses the kind of ignorance that is defined as "what one ignores", thus it is "ignore-ance". It's not just what you don't know, but what you won't know and this fits Dave to a tee.
Dave never admits to having been wrong, mistaken or simply delusional in his myriads of scenarios which cannot be wrong yet always are. The best he can do is to repeat, "Well, we're still here...." which then gets a chuckle, and he can present the next foolish prophetic shepherding having brushed all previous lies and mistakes aside with a smile.
Dave's idea of a profound apology for obvious mistakes often is simply "we never understood", including all the actually innocent members in his foolishness to avoid the real truth of "I never understood and I still don't". Dave, as we know, only uses the "I" in his sermons when he needs to credit himself for the next amazing insight delivered by God himself to Dave. We also know that Dave has the ability to place blame on God for either withholding information from Dave or having to convince Dave that it is merely a problem of "not yet, but soon Dave". This gets him through without having yet to make an actual mistake or been pathetically wrong. It's not like Dave is wrong privately. Dave's wrong is very public for all to see, save for Dave.
I don't know what kind of personality disorder that DCP may have. Not my call. But he has one bigly. One thing I do know. A man or woman with mental health issues can HIDE very well in a religious setting. Their quirky or even dangerous behaviors and ideas can seem like an expression of deep faith and "obedience to God." In fact, it is neither. It is a stubborn need to be right and to have the first and last say in all topics that come before them. Any obedience to God can be claimed because no God is going to suddenly respond to that with, "oh really?...hold on there buster. Don't include me in your delusional thinking." Thus, you have man that SEEMS deeply obedient, full of faith and directly in touch with the Deity. None of these things are true. What you have is a stubborn, self absorbed and in a genuine "God-Haunted" mode they constantly need to bolster with "fresh" and "never before understood except by me..." presentations. Their beliefs are pious convictions based on incredibly marginal information which goes back to the kind of ignorance of not just what you don't know, but what you won't know. Because what one won't know always doesn't fit well into the tale they need to weave.
In time it will become painfully obvious to even the most die hard groupie and enabler. I suspect those closest to Dave already understand this and are simply biding their time for their own reasons.
Had Dave gone to the Naval Academy and risen to being the Captain of some Warship, which I am sure is the only office he would have wanted, if not over the entire Navy itself in time, his peers would eventually would have put him in a small dingy and set him adrift, like Captain Bligh of the Bounty, because this guy has to go. The time has actually long passed for Dave's Council of Enabler's to do just that, but it still needs be done before everyone goes down together with Dave and his Rotted Church of God, ship.
IMHO
I think you’re being a bit unfair. We know for sure it’s one of two dates. Nobody in history has ever known that.
Obviously they can’t both be wrong.
In the near 3 decades of buying Lotto tickets I’ve won approximately $250.
I would say I’ve had more success via picking the lottery numbers than any cog leader has in predicting the future.
Please don’t ask me how much I’ve spent over the years on this inane pursuit lol.
However I can assure you it is much, much less than what some ‘tithe’ per month.
And I’m remarkably pleased with myself and that $250.
He’s a very sick man. Mark my words, at some point in the future, he will take them down Jim Jones avenue. The sad part, probably most of them will follow.
June 1, 2024 at 2:20:00 PM
Perhaps Dave won't be around to spew his B.S. any longer
Pack would answer he'd be in petra while we all suffer . Just as the fake apostle stated a number of times. Armstrong last statement along this line being late 1983, not far from his passing.
In the near 3 decades of buying Lotto tickets I’ve won approximately $250.
you have to be in it to win it. Good luck!
Anyone who follows Dave down that J.J. Ave. would be as nutty as a cig. smoker who knows they should quit but stubbornly keeps doing it.
Remaining with Dave Pack now is due to being stubborn, but no longer from being "deceived" since they all regularly witness 1st hand of his ghastly, heinous lies of failed prophecy.
"well, we're still here", he tells them each blatant time they endure his scams.
That is the "key" of "this" particular David, the key to know it is time to vamoose, ske-daddle, book-on-outta-there, exit, high-tail-it, escape, shuffle off, abandon ship.
Keeping hope in a fellow like Pack is a Don Quixote exercise in futility. "Free" thyselves henceforth..."Restored" is actually "Ruins" & "rubble" thanks to Davy.
the constant behaviour of straightening the bible and other docs and glass on the table to ensure all are straight, in their right spot, and hand clasping after being satisfied they are indeed correctly located tell us of a obsessive compulsive disorder in the case of the apostle Pack. .n
thus we read about OCD people as follows
''... (they) are primarily preoccupied with order and exactness tend to engage in compulsive behaviors that include repetitive arranging, organizing, or lining up of objects until certain conditions are met or the end result feels "just right."
Writing that Dave has mental disorders is being too kind. Dave has switched from his initial claim of spiritually feeding his members to trying to spiritually destroy them. I experienced this same phenomena when I started attending services in the 1970s. It didn't take long for members that had turned their back on God to start giving me unsolicited murderous advice. How dare others succeed where they had failed! Dave is following from Satan's playbook.
Going back to the mid '90s, I would have to believe that there was a totally different mindset amongst the WCG ministers and members who had elected not to go along with the Tkach changes. The splinter groups which formed had continued to believe in the national identities Herbert W. Armstrong had theorized, and their application in the Armstrong endtimes prophecy mold. The new "leaders" were presenting themselves to the brethren as mere place-holders for HWA himself, and most likely they saw their new roles as being very short term preservationists, applying the "faith once delivered" paradigm to themselves. Is everybody with me in this so far? I mean, that is a correct analysis, right?
The modus operandi have always included "within the next 3-5 years" reset, "within the next 3-5 years" reset, "within the next 3-5 years" reset, etc. It is inevitable that as the WW-II generation passed, and as the Baby Boomer generation is quickly going the same way, people who have aged 30 additional years since the changes would be thinking differently in many ways, and would have made some changes of their own, both personally and doctrinally. There would have been a shift from "place keeper" to a sense of greater permanence and comfortability with that role amongst the ministry. Advancing age would bring a sense of increasing angst, as it is natural to want the events which one has believed and preached over a decades long career to actually and finally take place. Fulfillment is the payoff, the validation of a life of asceticism and sacrifice, an existence as a student of life who was very much an outsider from humanity at large. This was embraced as "specialness" for the most part, but this perspective becomes old and tenuous as it fails to materialize.
Interestingly, the Tkach changes included a repudiation of the HWA prophecy mold. The angst over its failure does not exist amongst those who accepted the changes. There must be at least a little twinge amongst the Armstrong-stalwarts, a wondering if perhaps classic Christianity is not the accurate way of explaining why these prophecies have continued to fail. The farce and drama that exists within Armstrongism today must be very difficult to deal with. Changes just as radical as the Tkach changes have taken place in some cases, however they occurred while still retaining the context of Armstrongism. The song has morphed, but it's more like bending a few notes, adding a horn section, or doubling the vocal track, Les Paul style. Still, the song has changed, it's not the one once played by HWA, who would undoubtedly insist on his original version.
I wonder how long the prophecy mold will continue to be taught by the ACOGs. The same generations have progressed "in the church" that exist "in the world". We have heard for years about the graying of Armstrongism. If indeed young people are abandoning the beliefs of the parents, there may never come a time when Millennials switch to a different understanding of prophecy. They're already no longer there. Ideas sometimes change by sheer evolution, as the anticipated results of the ideas (if any) fail to come to pass. They gradually wear out. They say that it is dangerous to wake up a sleepwalker, or to pick up a cat that is in a trance. That it can cause damage. Best to simply watch, and assist when the time is right. Probably not bad advice for all of us, unless we see a Jim Jones scenario unfolding.
BB
June 2, 2024 at 9:43:00 AM I wonder how long the prophecy mold will continue to be taught by the ACOGs
The prophecy mold is derived largely from the British Israel belief. Until such time people properly assess the sheer stupidity of that teaching they will continue to be thrown around by all sorts of silly prophecies. I once believed in that theory and eventually I realized just how plain stupid it is,
Concerning Pack's claim ''I’m working on all just Greek, Hebrew, lists, piles, papers all over the place.'' never going to bed before midnight i propose his studies are as useless of those by Armstrong when he reckoned he unearthed hidden truths in a library following intense study for months. They both deceived themselves.
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Dave Pack is desperate to get his shopping done in time.
Dave wants the glory to go to him and not God. Which is a reason why no man knows the day or hour of His coming. Dave could really serve himself and his followers well if he just declared himself a follower of Christ and not His Chief Apostle. Herb should have never put that doctrine in the Church for it has done great damage.
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