No one could have ever imagined that a disgraced church leader would try and bribe a uniformed officer of the law to not arrest him for public drunkenness, nor that he would traipse around the woods of Oregon looking for a dirty old rock, haul it back to Oklahoma, and claim Christ was returning to that said rock to establish His kingdom on Earth. No one could have ever imagined that the gospel message was really one that included Irish Dance as a witness to the world. No one could have imagined that this same moron would claim Jeremiah had buried the Ark of the Covenant in the Hill of Tara in Ireland and that this self-anointed righteous one's followers would be the ones to dig it up.
No one could have ever imagined that a Church of God leader would be sent to prison for tax fraud for a biblical time period of 3½ years, as an astute judge did. No one could have imagined that said church leader's wife was carrying diamonds around in her underwear and on her fingers so that when it came time to flee to Jerusalem, where he was to give a witness, they would have money to spend.
No one could have ever imagined that a COG leader would command his followers to give him every single dime they had, sell their homes and businesses, send in retirement account money, and spend countless years claiming Christ was returning in the next few weeks. No one could have ever imagined that Jesus would be returning to Wadsworth, Ohio, prior to His return to the world. Apparently, a shopping trip at Giant Eagle was needed.
No one could have ever imagined that a vain narcissistic man, REJECTED by three different COG organizations for ordination, would self-appoint himself as a COG leader. This know-it-all would appoint himself as the one true end-time church, with its basis in the dreams and nightmares of various individuals. No one could have ever imagined that this same leader would take his ministry to Africa because no Caucasian nation would put up with his crap. No one could have imagined how ignorant this said man would be about how church-hopping former SDA/COG/Sabbatarians would be using him for money, laptops, seeds, etc., while they committed adultery, ran for political office, and would have shamans in his group practicing witchcraft. No one could have ever imagined that this guy would proclaim himself as the authority on every topic imaginable, from the Mayans to church history, the Catholic Church, and forest fires. Ah, yes! Forest fires.
No one could have ever imagined the complete mental breakdown of COG leaders in our lifetimes, yet here we are today with the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel blathering on about forest fires.
Fires and God’s Wrath
There have been massive fires raging in the State of California. The size and devastation of one fire qualifies it as a world event–and looks to be one of the costliest disasters in US history. What might the Bible have to say about fires? Is it possible that there are Biblical ramifications of fires? Especially fires of this magnitude and destruction. If there are any Biblical ramifications, what is God trying to say? Is it possible that fires of this magnitude have any relationship to the warnings God gave ancient Israel and are having an impact on us today? If so, why would the warnings given to ancient Israel have any effect on us? What do we have to do with ancient Israel? Dr. Thiel shines the light of Bible prophecy on these questions. By quoting several scriptures that relate directly to the questions just presented, Dr. Thiel reveals the warnings God is giving humanity in these end times. Dr. Thiel shows us, through the word of God, that by obeying the words of God, we can stop the destruction. Even if we fail on a national level, we can still succeed on a personal level.
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The wrath of God isn't the reason why these forest fires are happening. Neither is climate change. The actual cause of these devastating fires is not taking care of the dry, dead underbrush in the forests. In previous years, the forest rangers and private owners of woodlands were able to clear the brush by controlled burns and other means, but sadly, environmental zealots who were concerned about some species of wildlife stopped this prudent practice. As a result, when then weather got hot and dry, the brush would catch fire. Nope, it was the stupidity of man, not the wrath of God, that's causing these terrible forest fires.
Phinnpoy
The wrath of God isn't the reason why these forest fires are happening. Neither is climate change. The actual cause of these devastating fires is not taking care of the dry, dead underbrush in the forests. In previous years, the forest rangers and private owners of woodlands were able to clear the brush by controlled burns and other means, but sadly, environmental zealots who were concerned about some species of wildlife stopped this prudent practice. As a result, when then weather got hot and dry, the brush would catch fire. Nope, it was the stupidity of man, not the wrath of God, that's causing these terrible forest fires.
Sunday, August 17, 2025 at 4:58:18 AM PDT
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Phinnpoy, what you wrote makes so much good sense. No where is the wrath of God involved:
The future wrath of God is involved with 7 Vials, 7 last plagues, which won't be poured out until after Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit:
Revelation 16:1 "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth."
Then, God has something to say, because He has already told us, but that's over a 1,000 years from today...and those Vials have to do with total destruction.
What about the wrath of Christ?
Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Within the context of scripture, that wrath of the Lamb, is going to be the 7 Trumps, which each are only partial destruction (a 1/3 of this, a 1/3 of that): not total destruction. Those Trumps are coming sometime in the near future. When? I don't know, and neither does Thiel, Weston, Winnail, Aaron Dean...any of those hirelings of the former WCG know. Time will tell, though.
The 7 Trumps and the 7 Vials are done-deals, because: "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." Acts 15:18
Bob Thiel, who cannot even properly identify the identity of the Beast, prophet falsely so-called, speculating about fires around the earth asked: "..."If there are any Biblical ramifications, what is God trying to say?..."
I would say: "Nothing!" God, for a "moment" has given this world over to Satan, while we are learning to hate evil, learning how not to live, and looking forward to God's Kingdom to come and be established on this earth, and (for those like Doug Winnail believing in, seeking, a Mickey Mouse Millennium with another “Jesus” reigning on earth 1,000 years…yes, before the 7 Vials are poured out!) that is sometime after those 7 Vials and some angel says: "It is done."
When in the future will fire get our attention, if we are alive at that time?
Revelation 8:7 "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up."
Revelation 16:8 "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory."
If Jeremiah were alive today, what might he say to peeps like Bob Thiel, Weston, Winnail, Weinland, Coultar, Pack...etc. hirelings who fled from Pasadena, leaving their ministerial credentials behind, to get away from the former Worldwide Church of God (nothing to do with Sam Kitchen, who cannot understand why Joseph W Tkach was chosen instead of himSELF)?
Jeremiah 14:14 "Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart."
Is there anything new "under the sun?"
Time will tell...
John
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Excellent comment. You have proved the point I was making on another post, where a commentator, GD, was saying there was a great contrast and contradiction between the God of the OT (a God of war and death) and Jesus Christ, who taught peace and love. You have clearly demonstrated that the Lamb is also quite capable of dishing out "wrath" when it is called for.
Is it so hard for our atheist friends to understand that God can be a God of love and a God of wrath at the same time?
These fires are being caused by practices and events hyped by both political parties. We have two huge fires currently ongoing in the Southwestern USA which were caused by lightning strikes. Perfectly natural phenomenon, known to science, and very common. Further north, when you begin to experience unprecedented fires in the rain forests of the Pacific Northwest, climate change is the culprit. Campfires going out of control, or cigarettes thrown out the car window would be less likely to turn into a forest fire if the underbrush were cleared away, or if there were controlled burns.
Armstrongism exploited events which have perfectly natural explanations, and elevated them to spiritual events, punishments for not accepting the tenets and opinions of Herbert W. Armstrong. It's all part of the hype created by a man who was steeped in advertising, and applied what he learned in that field to advancing his own curious little amalgam of beliefs.
BB
I agree with the whole comment section. Recently I decided to check out United's BT program concerning the floods in Texas that occurred at that girls camp. The presenter tried to tie the flood to "a thief in the night." Those were his exact words. This is what they do, they try and tie a natural disaster to something spiritual.
For instance they were talking about the shrinking of the lakes out west, well when you have climate change (melting of the snow cap mountains), and the fact that we have several major populated cities (LV, PHX, SD, ABQ) in the southwest that need that water in the DESERT!!!, it's not rocket science. Don't try and spiritualize away science.
Tank
Reading Booby Thiel's "Fires and God's Wrath" doesn't sound like something any of the Biblical Prophets would say. Can you imagine a real prophet like Ezekiel or Jeremiah asking, "What might the Bible have to say about fires? Is it possible that there are Biblical ramifications of fires?" It only adds to Thiel's comedy farce that this clown thinks he is a real Prophet, yet he can't prophesy his way out of a toilet stall stuck without TP if his life depended on it. He is such a joke and is simply not as good as his alternate identity, the more entertaining and animated, Cartoon Bob.
What is even more revealing is that
“In Fires and God’s Wrath”, little Booby Thiel doesn’t speak like a real Prophet of the Bible and only adds to the comical farce that Thiel claims to be one. Can you imagine a real biblical prophet such as Ezekiel or Jeremiah asking, ”What might the Bible have to say about fires? Is it possible that there are Biblical ramifications of fires?” Of course not. It only adds to Thiel’s comical farce that he thinks he is a prophet.
In fact, Thiel inadvertently demonstrates and PROVES he is no Prophet at all when HE writes in the third person (because it really is him writing), “Dr. Thiel shines the light of Bible Prophecy on these questions.” WHAT? A real Prophet wouldn’t be relying on Bible prophecy written by real biblical prophets that anyone else can read for themselves without Booby Thiel’s “shining light” on it. A real prophet does the ACTUAL prophesying. Did Ezekiel rely on Jeremiah for his prophecies, or any of the other Prophets? No! God revealed his plan to his prophets (Amos 3:7). Has God revealed his plan to little Booby Thiel? Of course not! All he does is regurgitate what others have written or preached in Armstrongism ever since 1934, but have not called themselves ACTUAL “Prophets” like little Booby Thiel has. Perhaps this is why Herbert Armstrong said there are no Prophets in the Church of God today because God already revealed his plans to the Biblical Prophets of the Bible for all to read on their own without Booby Thiel’s “shining light”.
Bob Thiel is a delusional HWA wannabe trying to elevate himself among the scattered brethren by giving himself a title that even Herbert Armstrong didn’t take. The problem with Armstrongism in general, and with Thiel, Pack, Flurry, et al HWA wannabes specifically is that they all preach a false gospel! That is why Armstrongism is being destroyed. Not by Satan, but by God.
Richard
HWA ran his WWCG as a police state. And as is always the case, it collapsed. Proof that Herb and his ministers knew it was immoral and oppressive is that they ploughed new members with invasive questions in order to obtain dirt that they can used against them. No dirt is required if members rights are respected. Despite the occasional good sermon and veneer of righteousness, bible morality has been pushed to one side and replaced with bully tactics in the ACOGs. God is not sending these groups new members for good reason.
12:38 Gaining new members is going to be difficult nowadays, even from the outside of things. Look at the economy of the country, most church attendance is down, home buying wages are not there, low birth rates, tuition is high, people being laid off of jobs, people have information on their fingertips.
With that last one, in the digital age people now can find out the dirt of HWA/WCG through the internet and peoples testimonies of that police state. They have a lot of old members who are holding on to the glory days of the past in a current world of uncertainty.
Oh membership was coming in during the post war economy (mid-late 1940s to early 1960's). Those days seemed to be a better time, a lot more simplicity. Ambassador College brought the young members in. What can they do now within the splintered groups?
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