The Failures of Armstrongism: It ALL Boils Down to This...
The Principal Heresies of Armstrongism:
The notion that Christians are obligated to observe the Sabbath, Holy Days,
and Dietary commandments of Torah
The mixing of the Old and New Covenants
The notion that Christians must earn their place in God's Kingdom
Rejection of the Trinity
Anglo-Israelism
The notion that traditional Christianity has been corrupted by paganism
The notion that spiritual understanding identifies someone as Christian
It ALL Boils Down to This...
Their failure to understand that the Hebrew Scriptures MUST be understood/interpreted in the light of the Christ event. In other words, their inability to understand that the Law, Prophets, and Writings point to Jesus of Nazareth, and that they were ALL fulfilled by HIM is at the root of most (if not all) of their theological failures! Think about it a minute and prove me wrong, if you can!
Lonnie Hendrix/Miller Jones
69 comments:
You should have included "The notion that we will become God exactly like Christ"
NO2HWA,
Absolutely right! Same line of thinking that led to the rejection of the Trinity.
That was me just a minute ago. Didn't realize I wasn't signed in yet!
I use slightly different verbiage on one of your points, Lonnie, but both our versions ultimately take us to the same place. Armstrongism filters the New Testament (Covenant) through the Old Testament (Covenant) instead of vice versa. Jesus brought to humanity the latest and greatest information, but Herbert W. Armstrong yanked everything Jesus taught right back into the Sinai Covenant. Made him into "that inconvenient dude."
BB
The notion that Satan was not defeated at Calvary and is the second part of the (still future) atonement. The way they think, it’s almost like salvation comes from removing Satan. Not from Jesus’ death and resurrection.
That’s a huge one IMO.
"...and that they were ALL fulfilled by HIM..."
Yes Lonnie, they were all fulfilled by Him, not abolished by Him. Had Jesus not perfectly fulfilled the requirements of the law He could not have been the sacrifice for our sins and He would still be dead, and we would have no hope.
And no one can convince you of anything. John 6:44
Yea they have that “dual covenant theology.”
Miller:
You did not explicitly state the heresy that gives me the most heartburn. But it may well be implicit in your list. It is the heresy of Neotheism which I think can be fairly represented as the idea that God is a super-human.
Along with this God as super-human view, is the diminishment of Jesus Christ. This view on Jesus bleeds into Armstrongism from the Arianist roots of the Millerite movement. HWA was not an Arianist but there are some Arianistic viewpoints that are found in the Armstrongist Doctrine of God.
I will not expand on this. I have written about it before to the point of harping on it.
Good thoughtful points. It reminds us that Armstrongism is not just orthodox Christianity with a few errant points. It is a whole errant package. It is not just a fishing boat with a leaky hull. It’s the Titanic.
Scout
Fulfilled the law so that we are no longer under the law. The requirements of the law are in fact abolished. If your belief is that ANY part of the law is no longer in effect (ie; sacrifices) then you believe the requirements were nailed to the cross.
You can’t have it both ways, either ALL is fulfilled and obsolete or NO PART is fulfilled and you are still under the entirety of the old covenant.
The law does its job when we realize we have no ability to approach God by our own keeping of the law. The law is an all or nothing deal. Break one smallest point, guilty of breaking all and earning death.
We do not make up our own covenants. We are either under Law or under Grace and Truth. You can’t mix them. You can’t pour new wine in old wine skins. You can’t establish your own version of a covenant and declare that you are an uber Christian and more saved than the thief on the cross. When Jesus says Do not judge, and by what measure you judge it will be measured back to you, I believe Him.
If I say I obey the law and break even the smallest point, I am under the wrath of God. If I recognize that apart from Jesus, I am dead, unworthy, unrighteous and completely unable to come near to the Holy One, well I am safe and sound in the presence of the only savior. The one who made the only way to the Father. And it’s only through His free gift of Grace that any of us change anyway. A quick hop, skip and a jump away from the Kingdom of the Cults and you will see all kinds of radical life changes upon confession that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead and we now have access to God in a way you otherwise will never have… I recommend stepping out of your echo chamber and praying for open eyes and ears to see all that the one true God is doing globally.
Good additions to the list, and I like the way that Byker frames it. From my perspective, the Armstrongist view of God and the defeat of Satan both can be attributed to their failure to understand the OT in the light of Christ.
John 6:44 - Another irony. YES, they were fulfilled by HIM. They were NOT abolished. I understand what that means. Do you? By the way, I'm convinced that the additions to my list suggested by other commentators here are valid. When was the last time you were convinced by a suggestion from someone else?
Watch out when eating that tiger shrimp......it may eventually kill you.
What nonsense. The teaching was that Satan was defeated, yet for a while and obviously I might add, is still in office as ruler of this current earth.
Nck
List: Don't forget playing those dangerous rock guitar solos are a satanic. But playing: Mozart, Beethoven, Bach is the most acceptable music although they were playing/composing music under the Holy Roman Empire. We'll just chew the meat and spit out the bone.
Tank
Thank you Lonnie/Millar for this piece.
I made many fine friends within wwcog during my sojourn there. Some last to this day. And my experiences in the church were in the whole positive. But underlying all that was an unending tension and stress, deep within. It was at times debilitating and painful as I struggled to met the high expectations of church membership. In other words I was trying to ‘earn’ my salvation by my works behaviour if you will. Failed miserably. Christ did it for me. By His mercy we are saved. What a burden has been lifted from us all. Yes I still keep the Sabbath, eat ‘clean and unclean’ foods, but don’t adhere to BI nonsense etc etc etc. And attend my local Jewish congregation, yes I’m one of the tribe lol. Abandonment of Armstrongism is not abandonment of Christ, for many of us it is returning to the restorer of our souls. What liberty He has brought us. Cheers.
Lonnie writes:
“In other words, their inability to understand that the Law, Prophets, and Writings point to Jesus of Nazareth, and that they were ALL fulfilled by HIM...”
Here is something that may be of interest that is related to the above:
Jesus was a First-Century Jew
"Intentionally or not, Christian scholars have been reluctant to acknowledge the Jewishness of Jesus. To
be sure, no one denied Jesus' birthplace in Judea to parents who were Jews. But the observation often stopped there... As a first-century Jew, Jesus thought like a Jew, he read his Bible like a Jew, and he made his arguments like a Jew...
"While various middoth have been identified throughout the New Testament, the middoth Jesus employed the most often were gezerah shawah and qal wahomer..." (Linda King, Jesus Argued Like a Jew, digitalcommons.pepperdine.edu/leaven/vol19/iss2/5).
"... if we start assuming that Jesus read his Bible like we do ... that's a bad assumption... They way Jesus used the Bible, as unusual as it is for us, was understood and accepted back then" (Peter Enns, The Bible Tells Me So..., p.177).
Lk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Lk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
"Then Jesus explained to them what was going on:
Lk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
"I'm not sure why you are surprised. I have been telling you for years that everything that's happened here these last few days follows what scripture says — the books of Moses, the books of the prophets, the Psalms, every part of it. But since you are having so much trouble grasping what I said, let me spell it out for you — again" (Peter Enns, The Bible Tells Me So..., p.201).
Lk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Lk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
"Read your Bible: there you will find that I had to suffer and die, and that I would rise from the dead on the third."
"It's all right there in black and white.
"Only, it isn't — which brings me to my point.
"You can read the Old Testament as carefully and as often as you want — standing on your head, backwards, with special decoder glasses, or in Klingon — and you won't find anything about a future messiah dying and rising from the dead on the third day, the very thing Jesus says you will find there. Not a word. Don't even bother looking.
"So what is Luke's angle? Why does Jesus say something is in the Bible, when it clearly isn't. That makes no sense.
"No, it doesn't — until we are clear on what Jesus is actually telling his disciples" (Peter Enns, The Bible Tells Me So..., pp.201-02).
Here we are witnessing what many believe are signs that we are living in end times. And after these end times, when God is speaking of those who are saved, He says..... Rev 22:14 (( Blessed are they that do his commandments,)) that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.....[what commandments?]
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.... Oh look 3 taken from His statutes and 3 from the list of the 10 that comprise His law. Sins that so many hope they can continue to do, because they want to believe Christ died to free them from having to keep the Law. If only God did not inspire the apostle Paul to write this.... Rom_3:25 ( Christ) whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance ((God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,))... Wow, so not sins committed after, repentance, are not necessarily past over, just our previous sins. And provision for IF we sin, 1Jn_2:1, not When we sin or continue to sin. That means the clothing of righteousness He gives us can get dirty?.....Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.... I suppose we can try to claim ignorance and hope that God will accept our "I thought we did not have to keep the law anymore" excuse. But you cannot fool God He knows our hearts. It is not just that people believe they don't have to keep the 10 anymore. The truth is "They just do not want to keep them". And He has already recorded His answer... Mat_7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'.... Let's keep our garment clean. If you Love God you will want to do whatever He says, no matter how hard it may be.
One thing I learned this past week watching the Kirk Cameron fiasco play out on YouTube is that "Orthodox" Christianity is not much different from the Armstrong splinter groups. All it takes is one doctrinal difference and you're now under the wrath of God, the scum of the earth!
To bring everyone up to speed, Kirk Cameron came out on his podcast and questioned a sacred Orthodox belief. After much study, he now favors annihilationism over eternal conscience torment in hell. The firestorm that created was something like I have never seen before. He was branded (by, not a few) a heretic, a lunatic, a hypocrite, false teacher, of Satan, and more we need not mention.
The point is, we can sit in judgement of Armstrongism and their strange beliefs not being orthodox, but truth to tell there are many on this site that are in the same boat. There are those here who, like myself, agree with Kirk and do not subscribe to an everburning hell fire that torments sinners forever. Guess what? It all boils down to this. You too would be branded a heretic. You too would be considered a failure and deceiver. You too would be considered by Orthodox Christianity as no better than Kirk Cameron.
Orthodox Christianity is not all it's cracked up to be. No wonder it is divided up into 41,000 denominations that can't get along!
You need to consider the context of Romans 3. He’s talking about how God could forgive anyone prior to the time of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the propitiation of sins for everyone including those who sinned prior to His death. Don’t take scriptures out of their context.
That’s another problem with Armstrongism. Scriptures were lifted out of their pages and even reduced to sentence fragments and used to support the false doctrines. The Bible becomes a spiritual battle just to read what is written in full context and not through Armstrong eyes.
Great testimony, I did likewise.
I would say that overall, BI is the worst of all the doctrines, because what it essentially teaches is that the Church must put their main focus on the nations of America and Britain in it’s relationship with God. When He has already called out His elect over the thousands of years over different areas of the world. Instead of their focus being on spiritual Israel (Church) which “is the big picture”, their focus is primarily on what they believe to be physical Israel. So essentially they have horribly limited Christ's sacrifice that extends to all mankind. In the OT, the passover sacrifice was for the children of Israel. But we are not of that covenant.
Simeon even understood:
Luke 2:30-32 For my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all nations: a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and the glory of your people Israel.”
In the first century, the location of Judea were the first christians, then it spread. So in the first century our first christians were primarily Israelites. Over time it spread to different groups of people (Rev. 5:9).
"Fulfilled the law so that we are no longer under the law. "
Fulfilled the law so that we are no longer under the (condemnation of the ) law.
There, I fixed it for you.
The law defines sin, and and punishment for it. With Jesus' sacrifice we are no longer under the condemnation that the law requires. The law is still in force, however. To continue willfully violating the law negates any protection Jesus' sacrifice gives us.
"Watch out when eating that tiger shrimp......it may eventually kill you."
Considering that the first thing Jesus does at His return is destroy all those that eat swine's flesh and other unclean things, I think you may be right!
As we have seen in a couple of the comments here, the Armstrongist does not understand that Christ truly fulfilled Torah, Prophets, and Writings. They do not understand that those things are shadows which point to the reality of Jesus. Most Christians want to do whatever God commands us to do - that is a consequence of the changed heart which Christ's sacrifice and the Holy Spirit have wrought in us! The Old Covenant is Old. It has been replaced by the NEW Covenant which is founded on Love of God and each other. But go right on ahead and try to keep the commandments of Torah - You will FAIL, just as the children of Israel before you failed! Instead, why not accept what Christ did for you and put on the new person? Wouldn't it be nice to stop working and rest in Christ?
Anonymous 3:19 wrote, “Sins that so many hope they can continue to do, because they want to believe Christ died to free them from having to keep the Law.”
It is almost impossible for people who have been indoctrinated by Armstrongism to receive the Gospel message. The message is salvation by grace through faith not through works. Armstrongists, of course, have concocted an alternative Gospel that is about prophecy and the end-times. These are the lengths to which they are willing to go.
Embedded in Armstrongism there is a sarcastic spirit directed towards Christianity. The principal agent was GTA. The false idea frequently bandied about was that Christians believe they are under grace and do not have to keep the law. This is a calumny against Christianity. Christians believe that they are to conform to the Law of Christ. And the Law of Christ contains the Ten Commandments. The command concerning the Sabbath has been transformed to worship of Jesus, resting in Jesus, rather than a physical seventh day.
Christians are clear on this issue. The Sermon on the Mount and the declarations of the New Testament comprise the standard of behavior. Armstrongists waffle. They state that the Torah is written on their hearts and then they don’t keep it in its entirety. When was the last time you heard Armstrongists advocate for “righteous” slavery based on the slavery laws of the Torah?
If you want to discuss the inconsistencies in the Armstrongist view of the Torah, I’m your huckleberry.
Scout
The resident wise men on here are always "judging themselves among themselves" and therefore are "not wise". That means they are fools. They do not know squat about the bible and how we got it and what books should be in it and where the information in it originally came from. Not wise at all.
6:01 said "Considering that the first thing Jesus does at His return is destroy all those that eat swine's flesh and other unclean things"
What absolute Armstrongite nonsense. The sheer stupidity of this kind of thinking is a result of ill-informed men claiming to be ministers of truth who knew next to nothing about the New Covenant and Jesus Christ.
The resident "wise men" here are UCG ministers operating undercover as they seek to draw people away from the church. They stand in the pulpit one day, and the next they are here, mocking the church.
What nonsense! Satan has no power over those who are secure in Christ. God's kingdom is presently breaking forth into the world, and there is NOTHING Satan can do about it.
This is a good summary of the stupidity of the Armstrong doctrine.
If only we hadn't been stupid too!
I am sure you are following all 613 commands then.
What amazes me is the sheer intellectual contortion. People will spend endless hours dissecting ancient texts—reinterpreting translations, debating symbolism, recalculating timelines—all to reassess whether this doomsday prediction failed because the dates were wrong, or whether that cult leader is still the “right” one.
Yet they completely ignore the far bigger, more obvious issue: the entire belief system is built from recycled motifs that existed thousands of years earlier—the Golden Rule, virgin births, divine trinities, dying-and-rising gods, global floods, chosen peoples, apocalyptic judgment. None of this is original. It’s mythological copy-paste with new branding.
At some point, obsessively analyzing piles of shit doesn’t turn them into philosophy. You can argue endlessly about the shape, smell, and origin of the pile—but it’s still shit. The sane option isn’t better analysis. It’s walking away from the pile altogether.
The insanity isn’t that people question their cult leader.
It’s that they never question why they’re standing in shit in the first place.
I am a humble seeker of truth. I have never claimed to be wise or an authority on anything. I understand that I'm human, subject to the imperfections inherent to that species and fully capable of making mistakes - even operating under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Once again, I have NEVER been affiliated with the United Church of God. I was licensed to preach by an Alabama congregation of Seventh Day Baptists, and I have been asked to speak before a few Church of God Seventh Day and Church of God International congregations; but I have NEVER been ordained by ANY Armstrong Church of God to preach. I have an undergraduate degree in Environmental Science (graduated with honors) and a Bachelor's Degree in Education (graduated Magna Cum Laude) and did most of the required coursework for a Master's in history (Dean's List). I am an amateur genealogist and have been a lifelong student of the Bible. I'm also happy to answer any other relevant questions anyone may have about my background.
Oh, yeah DB, and of course you know who some of them are but never cough up the info when you're called out.
Maybe you're the UCG double agent trying to deflect away from your own activities.
Herbert was a crooked JERK. But the average church member under Armstrong was a FAR better Christian in terms of integrity, decency, and other Christian living standards than those I have met from ANY other church or ANY group of ex-Armstrongites. You shall know them by their fruits. The list people should look at is the list of the fruits of the spirit, not the dumb list in this article. That proves Orthodoxy, whether the doctrines are right or wrong, produces garbage.
Born into it.
Lonnie, you gotta stop teasing the COGlodytes like that.
Bang on!
Seems laws before Ex 24 and interpersonal laws defining how to love God and neighbor...... (even now if you own an ox which tends to bore, excuse me, gore people and you failed to control, fence the critter and it got out one night and gored someone to death you the owner could wake up the next morning facing the death penalty even though you didn't kill anybody)........ are still "on the books", but laws associated with the Levitical Priesthood such as tithing laws (!!!) and possibly (???) the 3 annual sabbaths, not feasts, in the 7th month (Tishri 1,10,22) not commanded before Ex 24 are of necessity no more existing because the LP is no more.
Another person RSK ha ha! Very true 11:28. It's a gang of them, at least one wife included.
You are a resounding sarcastic UCG Pastor/wife. You used to lie and say exCGI Bill Watson Pastor was your dad. You then dropped that lie. Of course you would, your whole personality is about lying.
Lies Scout, you are a liar who ignores repatedly the Ten Commandment: Thou shalt not lie.
GTA repeatedly preached sermons on the kingly Godly Character of Jesus Christ in the 1980's. He, for all his personal flaws, taught the absolute sacrifice Jesus made in dying on the cross, and how powerful the name of Jesus and about Jesus is preached about Jesus. CGI had bible studies on the words of Jesus.
You're stuck in the 70's.
Only you Scout get all huffy saying there is an embedded spirit of sarcasim, yet are malicious in your cruel attacks on Sabbath Christians on here and in real life.
11:54
That 613 number is a Judaic myth.
All true what you said BP8. I’m currently in agreement with you and KC re annihilationism. All groups of Western and Eastern Christianity are basically cults (like all the other cults that surround us be it secularist, Zionist, Islamist, Marxist, etc) and if they were in positions of power that they could punish and/or silence those they deem to be heretics they would. History is testimony to that.
Resounding Sarcastic Troll,
Morally and intellectually bankrupt. You are willing to bear false witness to defend your religion, because you don't have the tools to defend it otherwise. Pathetic and sad. May God lead you to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
A great question might be, would a COGlodyte accept the sacrifice of a perfect being who happened to have long hair, or to be a short person of somewhat darker complexion? We need to be aware of the differences between human expectations and eventual realities. Jesus wasn't what the Jews expected, either!
Oh great, now the delusion has spread? UCG must be a really boring place.
Miller Jones / Lonnie Hendrix: What is the story behind your two names?
540 writes
"If they were in positions of power that they could punish . . . .?
Another interesting note I gleaned from listening to the many "pro hell" podcasts was the resounding admonition that " we" the lay people should trust authority. We should leave the orthodoxy to the "experts"! They will do the interpreting for us.
Where have we heard that before?
The primary Bible verse answering "how we know Him" (God/Jesus) is 1 John 2:3, which says, "By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments," emphasizing that true knowledge of God is demonstrated through obedience and living like Jesus did (1 John 2:3-6). This means knowing God isn't just intellectual; it's a practical, lived reality seen in keeping His word, loving others, and walking as Jesus walked, making the claim of knowing Him hollow without corresponding action.
John 14:15
'If you love me, you will follow my commandments.'
John 5:3 (NIV): "In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome."
Read ALL of 1 John. Context is key.
“And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. Those who obey God’s commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us.”
1 John 3:23-24 NLT
Miller Jones was a pen name I have used for years. It derives from the surnames of the grandparents who raised me. Like many of the folks here, I took on a pen name to keep from embarrassing or pissing off loved ones still in Armstrongism. At some point, it just seemed dishonest/deceptive not to reveal my identity (no judgement for anyone else here, because I did the same thing - obviously). I linked my real name (Lonnie Hendrix) to my pen name so that everyone would know that the things which I had previously authored were my work. Thanks for asking.
God's commandments to love God and each other are NOT burdensome, and I delight in trying to follow them. After all, God is love; and anyone who claims to love God but hates his brother doesn't know Him!
Pen names are cool! Some of us really dig 'em.
But, methinks that some nitpickers we all know are attempting to side track us from the topic at hand, which is that one Herbert W. Armstrong collected and amalgamated every abominable heresy, for the purpose of monetizing the gospel, having no tangible resources of his own during the Great Depression. Although he died with the most toys and won, his deceptions are still having negative impact upon remaining followers today.
BB
Tell it to my face in UCG church. Who's fooled ? You repeatecly wrote that Bill Watson was your dad. Repeatedly. You even wrote huge long posts addressed to him. All lies.
Is 65:
1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
11 But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
I have NEVER stated that Bill Watson was my dad - NEVER. He was my father's friend and associate in CGI, and I have written many articles about his heretical teachings. I feel sorry for whoever you think that I am in UCG!
Byker,
Yes, they are trying to sidetrack and discredit, but it won't work. HWA's teachings continue to mislead folks and cause problems. They are (and should be) the focus of what is said and done here. The comments about the context of I John by another commentator were outstanding, and they underscore the inadequacies of proof texting. May God open minds and hearts and clear away the delusions of the ACOGs!
Wow! What part of that did HWA write? Oh yeah, none of it. It's all straight from God. I can't help but think about some of the posters here on this blog as I read those verses.
Heh! They think they know everything, don't they RSK? If they really knew my name, someone would pipe up with "UCG minister??? That dude got expelled from AC!" Now, let them guess their way around that little tidbit!
Uh oh, do you have UCG bitchez too? We might have to have a turf war lol.
Isaiah 65:
13 Therefore thus says the Lord God:
“Behold, my servants shall eat,
but you shall be hungry;
behold, my servants shall drink,
but you shall be thirsty;
behold, my servants shall rejoice,
but you shall be put to shame;
14 behold, my servants shall sing for gladness of heart,
but you shall cry out for pain of heart
and shall wail for breaking of spirit.
15 You shall leave your name to my chosen for a curse,
and the Lord God will put you to death,
but his servants he will call by another name,
16 so that he who blesses himself in the land
shall bless himself by the God of truth,
and he who takes an oath in the land
shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten
and are hidden from my eyes.
17 “For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in that which I create;
for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy,
and her people to be a gladness.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem
and be glad in my people;
no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping
and the cry of distress.
20 No more shall there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not fill out his days,
for the young man shall die a hundred years old,
and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
21They shall build houses and inhabit them;
they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
they shall not plant and another eat;
for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be,
and my chosen shall long enjoy[c] the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain
or bear children for calamity,[d]
for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the Lord,
and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are yet speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall graze together;
the lion shall eat straw like the ox,
and dust shall be the serpent's food.
They shall not hurt or destroy
in all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.
Delusion ? Yet only a few weeks ago this blog posted UCG insider information about Aaron Dean's plans for a HWA UCG Day with a full scale education plan.
Not openly known at all in UCG only insider ministry would have known.
Post read like it was seeking an unofficial road test of opinion on this blog.
It was shot down.
It's never been mentioned since in UCG.
I rest my case.
So you agree that eating tiger shrimp will lead to death?
It can, 8:20. Shellfish allergy is a thing. Also, it's important to remove the "sand vein".
Agree 8:20 but waiting for Miller to answer the question.
I don't think he will.
I scanned back through the comments, but I'm not seeing a question addressed to me. I'd be happy to answer any question which I have the ability to answer.
If you're asking me to weigh-in on the whole tiger shrimp thing, I'm happy to offer an opinion. I don't eat shrimp of any kind, but the consumption of just about anything as food can lead to death. (I'm thinking improper food safety and/or food allergies). I DON'T think that it's a sin to eat shrimp.
That was me at 1:14!
You are an outrageous liar. Your lies condemn you.
Who do you think you are, 2:59???
I think you need to go on a nice 2 day fast, no food or water. Ask God to give you a proper attitude of humility!
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