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JC was spotted in Wadsworth, Ohio, after some pre-planning shopping at the Giant Eagle for some party supplies for his grand return on December 19th at the Restored Church of God compound.
Aren't you as excited as I am?
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Come on, already! Dave knows, and even you know, that that's not Jesus! Doesn't look like Him at all. It's probably just some Middle Eastern potentate's representative hoping to buy acreage in Wadsworth now that Dave needs more working capital to support his dwindling scam.
Since when is the Wadsworth matchstick a graven image? As for the picture you deny it is Jesus because of the hair so it’s not an idol either. So what are you bellyaching about? You Armstrongites are hilarious!
I would just ROF LMAO if Jesus deliberately returned on Dec. 25, uh, needing a haircut! Armstrongites would never recover from that one. It would knock the wind out of them so badly that they wouldn't even be able to gasp "But Mr. Armstrong said......"
Dave is lying and he knows it. And we know that he's lying, and knows that he's lying. And he knows that we know that he's lying and knows that he's lying.
When Kislev 30 /Dec 19 comes and goes with no return of Jesus, will Pack then use the invisible return theory that has been dragged out many times before by Adventists, Russell of Watchtower, and later the Witnesses, and also others? Nothing would surprise.
The sunk cost fallacy is probably seeking some members "chained' to his church. This would especially be true for widows that have given him their homes.
Eventually, Pack will reveal that HE is the prophesied return of the Christ, and that God for many years used Pack's humility to blind him about this amazing truth.
I'm just thinking. Perhaps it is time to go back to November 1952 and give a listen to Johnny Standley's "It's in the Book", a parody of a tent preacher. (Google it! it's funny and on You Tube!). Surely, there's a comedian somewhere in Armstrongism who could do a similar play on Pack!
Dave entered his Nebuchadnezzar period shortly after issuing his Clarion Call, and it is doubtful that he will ever return during this lifetime. We must wonder how much he actually knows in this state of consciousness.
Actually, before HWA died, the pastor I had was a pretty reasonable guy. Cannot say anything against him personally. But I no longer believe in the doctrines.
My question is totally off the subject, but does anyone know what became of the awards that HWA received, such as the Order of the Sacred Treasure, from the Japanese government, the watch that Leopold III gave him, Presidential Merit Medal, presented by President Marcos of the Philippines in 1983 in the Manila Presidential Palace or the Cross of Constantine presented by the Patriarch of Jerusalem Diodoras in 1982 in Jerusalem? Also, what happened to Ramona Martin, his second wife after their divorce?
Which part of "that website" should you NOT believe? LOL. Dave set dates out of order and walked them back. There is no un-confusing way to report on him because he operates with a broken mind.
He set December 19. Then, changed it to December 5. Then, changed it to February 2. Then, walked that back and hinted he knew what the new date was. Just last week, he changed it to Tevet 10 starting at sunset on December 29. If the content is clear enough, they appear as video.
The green dates are the current teaching. The yellow dates are dates he walked away from. The red dates are confirmed failures after we hit the deadline.
"Oh, some deacon from the Restored Church of God just called and requested a detailed ten day weather forecast for the Wadsworth area!"
"Whattt????" How does that even compute?
"My thoughts exactly! When I protested, the guy explained that they were making preparations for Jesus coming in, and Mr. Pack told him to ask a meaty urologist about the weather!"
"Oh, Dr. Czipowitz, that would involve the totally wrong kind of precipitation!"
"Please, don't make laugh any harder! My poor stomach!"
He's been doing it all wrong. You're supposed to predict a date 3 to 5 years in the future, and spend more time building people up to a frenzy of anticipation. That way you can get people hooked on the product for at least a few years, and sell a book as Ron Weinland did. "2008—God's Final Witness".
But, maybe it's all changed now due to social media and short attention spans. Maybe David Pack's strategy is to present dates of Christ's return like 30-second YouTube shorts — so people can scroll through them and get a little dopamine hit for each one. Perhaps in some perverse way, it's better to be wrong often and rapidly for greater staying power (compared to Ron Weinland).
I agree, 4:40. I doubt that whatever their fate, splinter members would not approve. We know Flurry didn't get them, or he'd be bragging his ass off. These were valuable items that would not have been put out for the garbage man.
I would wonder if they were retained by members of the Armstrong family, since they were honors awarded to their patriarch. That's what would happen in most families with such things as Olympic medals, Superbowl rings, etc.
If they had belonged to Elvis, or perhaps James Brown, they would have enhanced value. HWA (thankfully) is largely forgotten, so anything gold would be valued at basic melt value. Ramona probably lived out her life in infamy or obscurity.
Different disorders of the brain have been suggested, 4:06. Temporal lobe epilepsy seems to present some of the same symptoms, or there are some disorders of the frontal lobe.
Sorry I was busy with work before the western days off - did it happen? Did I miss something on Dec 19th? No seriously - this guy needs to read the Bible verse about how all things are possible with God, even, yes even him being wrong!
I’ve never been to his church but I’ve clicked on a few posts on this site about him and wow! This guy tries to force God do what he declares to his followers! But God never does do what Dave Pack says, and neither should his church members - it’s time for them to walk away and rebuild their lives. And I wish them well, don’t give up God but please, leave this guy!
40 comments:
Come on, already! Dave knows, and even you know, that that's not Jesus! Doesn't look like Him at all. It's probably just some Middle Eastern potentate's representative hoping to buy acreage in Wadsworth now that Dave needs more working capital to support his dwindling scam.
ExRCG.org has that date crossed out. Along with 2/2/26.
Well, depending on what part of that website you believe. That's becoming almost as confusing as Mr. Pack's dates.
He sounds emphatic ...
4 Thou shalt not make ....... any likeness of any thing..........
If God is just, why is David Pack still alive?
Since when is the Wadsworth matchstick a graven image? As for the picture you deny it is Jesus because of the hair so it’s not an idol either. So what are you bellyaching about? You Armstrongites are hilarious!
I would just ROF LMAO if Jesus deliberately returned on Dec. 25, uh, needing a haircut! Armstrongites would never recover from that one. It would knock the wind out of them so badly that they wouldn't even be able to gasp "But Mr. Armstrong said......"
BB
Because God is not just.
Or, simply, because there is no God.
God is a trickster. He gets pleasure from toying with us.
Or they find out that the Holy Spirit actually exists and is a female!
To which God do you mean ? The god of this world ?
Dave is lying and he knows it. And we know that he's lying, and knows that he's lying. And he knows that we know that he's lying and knows that he's lying.
The man has lost his marbles. Completely nuts!
Liars always grow worse in lying, coukd be a curse from God.
When Kislev 30 /Dec 19 comes and goes with no return of Jesus, will Pack then use the invisible return theory that has been dragged out many times before by Adventists, Russell of Watchtower, and later the Witnesses, and also others? Nothing would surprise.
How can anyone still be sitting there every week?
" LOL " ..
That is what I was thinking too !
2 Pet 3:9 is why 4:18.
The sunk cost fallacy is probably seeking some members "chained' to his church. This would especially be true for widows that have given him their homes.
I'm sick of the Packman, when will he give up already? This guy is a F**king idiot.
Eventually, Pack will reveal that HE is the prophesied return of the Christ, and that God for many years used Pack's humility to blind him about this amazing truth.
What happened to Dec 5? I thought that was the date for one of the ‘kingdoms’.
Did anyone here have him as a WCG pastor? If so, what was he like back then?
I'm just thinking. Perhaps it is time to go back to November 1952 and give a listen to Johnny Standley's "It's in the Book", a parody of a tent preacher. (Google it! it's funny and on You Tube!). Surely, there's a comedian somewhere in Armstrongism who could do a similar play on Pack!
BB
Dave entered his Nebuchadnezzar period shortly after issuing his Clarion Call, and it is doubtful that he will ever return during this lifetime. We must wonder how much he actually knows in this state of consciousness.
Well, if you predict he will return virtually every day, he'll be right one of these days!! :)
Actually, before HWA died, the pastor I had was a pretty reasonable guy. Cannot say anything against him personally. But I no longer believe in the doctrines.
My question is totally off the subject, but does anyone know what became of the awards that HWA received, such as the Order of the Sacred Treasure, from the Japanese government, the watch that Leopold III gave him, Presidential Merit Medal, presented by President Marcos of the Philippines in 1983 in the Manila Presidential Palace or the Cross of Constantine presented by the Patriarch of Jerusalem Diodoras in 1982 in Jerusalem? Also, what happened to Ramona Martin, his second wife after their divorce?
Today's the 20th. Did I miss it?
Which part of "that website" should you NOT believe? LOL. Dave set dates out of order and walked them back. There is no un-confusing way to report on him because he operates with a broken mind.
He set December 19. Then, changed it to December 5. Then, changed it to February 2. Then, walked that back and hinted he knew what the new date was. Just last week, he changed it to Tevet 10 starting at sunset on December 29. If the content is clear enough, they appear as video.
The green dates are the current teaching. The yellow dates are dates he walked away from. The red dates are confirmed failures after we hit the deadline.
If someone knows a better way, I am all ears.
Good questions, I would like to know too ..
Welcome to the wonderful world of tomorrow! What will it be like? Richard
Street Theatre:
"Dr. Czipowitz, what are you laughing about?"
"Oh, some deacon from the Restored Church of God just called and requested a detailed ten day weather forecast for the Wadsworth area!"
"Whattt????" How does that even compute?
"My thoughts exactly! When I protested, the guy explained that they were making preparations for Jesus coming in, and Mr. Pack told him to ask a meaty urologist about the weather!"
"Oh, Dr. Czipowitz, that would involve the totally wrong kind of precipitation!"
"Please, don't make laugh any harder! My poor stomach!"
He's been doing it all wrong. You're supposed to predict a date 3 to 5 years in the future, and spend more time building people up to a frenzy of anticipation. That way you can get people hooked on the product for at least a few years, and sell a book as Ron Weinland did. "2008—God's Final Witness".
But, maybe it's all changed now due to social media and short attention spans. Maybe David Pack's strategy is to present dates of Christ's return like 30-second YouTube shorts — so people can scroll through them and get a little dopamine hit for each one. Perhaps in some perverse way, it's better to be wrong often and rapidly for greater staying power (compared to Ron Weinland).
I agree, 4:40. I doubt that whatever their fate, splinter members would not approve. We know Flurry didn't get them, or he'd be bragging his ass off. These were valuable items that would not have been put out for the garbage man.
I would wonder if they were retained by members of the Armstrong family, since they were honors awarded to their patriarch. That's what would happen in most families with such things as Olympic medals, Superbowl rings, etc.
If they had belonged to Elvis, or perhaps James Brown, they would have enhanced value. HWA (thankfully) is largely forgotten, so anything gold would be valued at basic melt value. Ramona probably lived out her life in infamy or obscurity.
He's been wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong....wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.....
Different disorders of the brain have been suggested, 4:06. Temporal lobe epilepsy seems to present some of the same symptoms, or there are some disorders of the frontal lobe.
Sorry I was busy with work before the western days off - did it happen? Did I miss something on Dec 19th?
No seriously - this guy needs to read the Bible verse about how all things are possible with God, even, yes even him being wrong!
I’ve never been to his church but I’ve clicked on a few posts on this site about him and wow! This guy tries to force God do what he declares to his followers! But God never does do what Dave Pack says, and neither should his church members - it’s time for them to walk away and rebuild their lives. And I wish them well, don’t give up God but please, leave this guy!
Dave not only lacks perception in making all his false prophecies, he misses all the negative social cues which result from the false prophecies!
Normally, I don't believe in cancel culture, but I can actually see quite a bit of wisdom in cancelling people like Dave.
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