Exposing the underbelly of Armstrongism in all of its wacky glory! Nothing you read here is made up. What you read here is the up to date face of Herbert W Armstrong's legacy. It's the gritty and dirty behind the scenes look at Armstrongism as you have never seen it before!
With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
The far more interesting thing we ought try to understand is not what Pack is saying, but why do the people we see in the audience keep turning up at the meetings week after week and out up with this unproductive stupidity. I don't really have an answer for it.
One reason is that if people aren't worshipping God, they end up worshipping man, in this case Dave. It's why the Japanese worshipped their emperor during WW 2.
Money 3:28. Pure and simple: many must be financially tied to Pack. They are either too far in, given too much money to justify walking away, or are paid employees in some capacity and stuck.
How many paid employees of churches are both believing and benefitting ? How many are stuck ?
Pack controls the housing around the HQ for employees too, making dependancy a much higher mountain to climb to escape him.
8.31 That's a fair point. Much like people were conditioned to adulate Armstrong many decades ago, although some of them may not have even known Armstrong I suppose.
Dave is desperate for everything he sacrificed his life for to be fulfilled before he dies. And, I believe most of the stalwarts who don't just consider their ACOG to be a social club are plagued with this same angst. It is a shame how Herbert W. Armstrong fomented such a level of derangement!
"Dave is desperate for everything he sacrificed his life for.."
Since when do ministers practice sacrifice. Theirs is a "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine" in both belief and practice. They are like toddlers who don't know what real work is. Can anyone imagine a minister working for $15 an hour as a cashier at a supermarket? To these ministers, it would be the great tribulation.
Jesus said they will know you are Christians by your love. Well, I do not see the love in hard-nosed David Pack, or any other group calling itself Christian. They can argue about dates and doctrine all they want, but where is the evidence of conversion?
The sunk cost fallacy. Many people led their families into a church that robbed them of their education, retirement savings, home equity, health and some even died. It would be very difficult to admit that you were WRONG, and your decisions led to so much heartache for your family. Don't think about the possibility that you were wrong and hold on, riding this train wreck to the end. On top of that, the arrogance of some who smugly believed that they were the only one with the right answers, adds to the difficulty of walking away. I was a "true believer" for four years but left the WCG a year after graduating from AC in Pasadena in 1973.
The financial aspects of your life are only one small area of the total picture, and that, quite the relative one, 10:23. How do we know that a person whose lifestyle is better than ours isn't, in reality, limited by being a minister in a church group? Some of the ministers were totally capable of a career in upper management, or president or CEO of a company, and earning far more than the church paid them, even considering the perqs and benefits they received from our tithes. I know this from the experiences of a family member (I'm not related to Dave)
Some of the ministers had to put up with the same or worse BS than did the average member. It all depended on the report structure, and whether one had to report to an A-hole. Either way, a minister did not have the same freedoms we did as members, and could not hide as easily as we could. There were extreme sacrifices for the perqs! You literally could not be you!
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......." Clear the track here come's PACK."....
"Dave Pack Lies" is hardly news anymore. Wouldn't it be simpler just to let us know when he DOESN'T lie?
Pardon me boys, is this the David Pack Choo-Choo?
The far more interesting thing we ought try to understand is not what Pack is saying, but why do the people we see in the audience keep turning up at the meetings week after week and out up with this unproductive stupidity. I don't really have an answer for it.
One reason is that if people aren't worshipping God, they end up worshipping man, in this case Dave. It's why the Japanese worshipped their emperor during WW 2.
Money 3:28. Pure and simple: many must be financially tied to Pack. They are either too far in, given too much money to justify walking away, or are paid employees in some capacity and stuck.
How many paid employees of churches are both believing and benefitting ? How many are stuck ?
Pack controls the housing around the HQ for employees too, making dependancy a much higher mountain to climb to escape him.
8.31 That's a fair point. Much like people were conditioned to adulate Armstrong many decades ago, although some of them may not have even known Armstrong I suppose.
Dave is desperate for everything he sacrificed his life for to be fulfilled before he dies. And, I believe most of the stalwarts who don't just consider their ACOG to be a social club are plagued with this same angst. It is a shame how Herbert W. Armstrong fomented such a level of derangement!
Armstrong certainly has a lot to answer for.
"Dave is desperate for everything he sacrificed his life for.."
Since when do ministers practice sacrifice. Theirs is a "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine" in both belief and practice. They are like toddlers who don't know what real work is. Can anyone imagine a minister working for $15 an hour as a cashier at a supermarket? To these ministers, it would be the great tribulation.
Jesus said they will know you are Christians by your love. Well, I do not see the love in hard-nosed David Pack, or any other group calling itself Christian. They can argue about dates and doctrine all they want, but where is the evidence of conversion?
The sunk cost fallacy. Many people led their families into a church that robbed them of their education, retirement savings, home equity, health and some even died. It would be very difficult to admit that you were WRONG, and your decisions led to so much heartache for your family. Don't think about the possibility that you were wrong and hold on, riding this train wreck to the end. On top of that, the arrogance of some who smugly believed that they were the only one with the right answers, adds to the difficulty of walking away. I was a "true believer" for four years but left the WCG a year after graduating from AC in Pasadena in 1973.
The financial aspects of your life are only one small area of the total picture, and that, quite the relative one, 10:23. How do we know that a person whose lifestyle is better than ours isn't, in reality, limited by being a minister in a church group? Some of the ministers were totally capable of a career in upper management, or president or CEO of a company, and earning far more than the church paid them, even considering the perqs and benefits they received from our tithes. I know this from the experiences of a family member (I'm not related to Dave)
Some of the ministers had to put up with the same or worse BS than did the average member. It all depended on the report structure, and whether one had to report to an A-hole. Either way, a minister did not have the same freedoms we did as members, and could not hide as easily as we could. There were extreme sacrifices for the perqs! You literally could not be you!
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