For quite some time now, we have posted various articles and videos (links at the end) of Priscilla and her children that detail the spiritual abuse they received from Bob Thiel, his henchmen in Africa, and two modern-day witchdoctors. Not only has she suffered continued harassment and abuse from Crackpot Bob, but she continues to suffer from abuse by Bob's so-called evangelists in Africa.
Bob, like every self-serving Church of God minister down through the decades, has turned a blind eye and blamed her for the problems and not the holy and righteous sycophant Radson Molowzoa, who left his wife for another woman. Women are to remain silent and subservient.
Spoken in her native language
The modern-day witch doctors working to force Priscilla back to adulterous Radson.
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Lost for words when I look at the Armstrong landscape today. Division, hostility, fear, bullying, ignorance…..and my way or the highway ministry. Gamaliel effect on full display. No growth nothing to offer. A contrast to the liberty and hope and light we have in Jesus Christ. His burden is easy and His yoke is light indeed; such a far cry from Armstrongism. The Law was but a tutor to bring us to Christ, and now He has come we have no need for a tutor. We don’t need self appointed ‘prophets’ to direct us to Him in contrast to what is plainly said in the scriptures. Cursed is the man who trusts in man, as we are learning, and as so many know from their personal experiences in the cog movement. Yes that is you Thiel and co.
Just as HWA buried GTA's Adulteries for years, it is no surprise Bobby is learning proper church Government playbook strategy 💥🙈🙊🙉
It's almost easy to think of all these Armstrongite ministers and Bob Thiel and Sam Kitchen as being nothing, nobodies who have big egos but in reality are having zero positive impact on the surrounding world or individual people with whom they have contact.
Because of their huge negative impact, we simply cannot dismiss them!
Once one hears the stories, and one realizes that these cretins are not only not helping, they are actually diminishing real peoples lives, parasitically taking away mostly from people who can't afford to lose, then we realize that these are not the givers, they are the takers, the vast majority of whom have amassed a body count, and are therefore working under a huge karmic debt. A pox on allof them!
It's been quite obvious for some time now that perfect Bob isn't the morally upright Christian he perceives himself as. All of these splinter group morons had a choice when they rebelled and started their own groups and that was the chance to change things for the better and be men of integrity. So far we have seen a batting average of "0" in this department. Are there no morally upright men in the COG anymore?
Sadly Bob doesn't know what is going on- Priscilla told him the truth but he refuses to accept it. Radson made a Fake Priscilla profile and he pretended to be Priscilla, that's why Bob is confused. Even if he knew the truth he wouldn't Accept it. Bob all the evidence is there, you were lied to about many things. Even if you knew the truth, would you really make it Right? Waiting for you to do the right thing- we all are.
There's similar complaints in the JWs. A man can't be put out of the church for occasional adultery. Only if there is a pattern of unrepentant adultery will a man be put out of their church. By contrast, members have been put out of the church for minor transgressions.
On one dissident site, a long time JW member whose passion is book reading, couldn't understand why he was put out of the church over a trivial misunderstanding. He didn't understand that the problem was who he is as a person. A well educated person is not easily deceived and controlled.
Dr Bob is being lied to by Mulowzoa, I talked to Priscilla today, she never even thought of reconciliation with Radson or going back to the CCOG, those communications earlier this year were from Radson or one of his girlfriends pretending to be Priscilla. As Priscilla told Bob over 2 years ago , Radson committed Multiple Adulteries which are verified by Priscilla herself, all her children, CCOG Deacons Wahela and Machemba, so Dr Bob is either Blinded or simply is trying to cover Radsons sins, so to not damage his reputation. How many times does Priscilla have to explain her testimony only to be labeled and ridiculed as a Talebearer and false witness as Bob claims? I think the pressure is getting to Bob otherwise he'd simply not comment!
Honestly, does this really pertain to Armstrongism? Sounds like more just the culture over there – and among certain demographics over here.
We classify it with Armstrongism, Lee. However, although the basics of Armstrongism are taught, what we are observing are the fruits of third and fourth stage splintering. You have Worldwide, the New Worldwide under Tkach, Meredith's splinter Global, Meredith taking full control back and forming Living, and unordained Thiel's Continuing Church of God, competing with the late Sasha Veljic's Hope of Israel with Terry Nelson attempting to clean up the failures and disingenuousness of Thielism. And, these two groups attempt to poach members from the Seventh Day Adventists' earlier evangelistic efforts.
And of course, there are cultural nuances in Africa, but the promulgators of Armstrongism insist that one size fits all, and that their religious philosophy is supposed to "work" in all cultures (Not that it ever truly worked within American culture, whatever that is, or was, or shall become).
We also have to remember that the late fomentor of revolutions, Che Guevara, totally bombed in his attempts to spread the communist philosophy in Africa. He cited no intrinsic sense of nationalism amongst the Africans as being the chief reason behind his abysmal performance there. The Muslim faith is predominant in some of the countries, and mainstream Christian efforts have reported many challenges. I've been told that the demons sent by Satan to Africa are much stronger, and much more evil than those in the USA. (Mainstream ministers' words, not mine!)
This is all happening against a backdrop of the wholesale destruction of the USA, the citing of, yet simultaneous willful obliteration of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the flag wrapping and redefining of patriotism used to coerce the weak minded to support all of that. Coupled with the even worse radicalization of the opposing political party! Everything is broken, which is a very powerful vaccination in the lives of the stalwart Armstrongites immunizing them against seeing reality and making appropriate changes in their lives.
All of what we see around us is completely different from the insights of Herbert W. Armstrong, his model for how everything would come undone, and his insertion of Armstrongism into our lives as the perfect and total solution for all eternity.
Latest statement by Radson Mulowzoa that Dr Thiel posted is true only in that Priscilla did divorce Radson. The question everyone should think on and probably is thinking-why would a woman especially in Africa divorce her husband of 20 plus years? According to Priscilla ,Radson had many affairs even when he was a Sunday Pastor. Radsons latest affairs put her over the edge as he wasn't supporting his family, her words not mine- also her 3 children and 2 deacons witnessed to this. Also since the divorce I have heard her complain about the car n shop issue. If this does go to court, which in the future most likely, Radsons public statement will increminate him. The Court will ask why did your wife want a divorce. When the Adultery issue and Patricia Sambani issue comes out, it's game over for the credibility of Dr Thiel and the CCOG. Dr Thiel should apologize and settle out of court with Priscilla and giver her peace, otherwise it will come back to bite him.
This post sums up the fallacy here. 95% of members in all these splinters would view us as vipers if we attacked them. We can gaslight them all we want but its not going to change how they feel.
Im trying to process this and the reality of it I think we spend most of time blaming the leaders/ministry/history and think of ourselves as some savior figures trying to resuce people "still blinded" by this evil but practically thats a ruse we use to justify our own self loathing and anger that we were ever involved.
The problem is that "we" is not "them". The emotional spread on how people join, live, die or leave in these organizations is incredibly wide
Whatever is happening in Africa is more than likely closer to those spam emails we get and never even look at if you have a decent filter
RCG just reassessed their entire member list based on just this aspect alone. They no longer have HQ field pastors so its almost impossible to ascertain anything happening in the field with literally anybody let alone some of these places where phishing occurs
"They ignored me completely ..."
Are you sure they are not ministers in the PCG?
Bob cannot accept that he is wrong. It almost makes him see human.
Unless one is "educatad" by the controllers who own the media and the "Christian" book stores.
You're forgetting the fun factor. Doing what we do, in addition to helping the deceived and presenting alternatives they might not hear elsewhere, is both fun, and therapeutic. You are right in that we probably won't change the minds of massive numbers of people. But gaslighting? That's really what you think we do here? Guess again! We're UNgaslighting!
The ones we are able to help are worth the effort. There has been a small, consistent stream of people over the years who do post that things which they read here have been of great help in their rethinking of their lives and in moving forward from Armstrongism. Senior and Junior already did the heavy lifting, and God bless them for that! We're just doing mop up.
We also appreciate our voices. Just having them, In the preinternet days, the great and powerful Oz (metaphorically speaking) silenced those who left or were disfellowshipped, and since church members were taught to avoid us as if we were lepers, we couldn't even say goodbye. Now, we are here, we are in their faces, and having a lot of fun doing it. I guess we're kind of like the COGlodytes in that we can't be dissuaded from doing the things we believe in either! This site has multi-level appeal, and people do relate. We're striking lots of chords. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many visits and our little community surrounding Banned wouldn't have lasted all these years. Other peoples' articles even help all of the major regular contributors, because we each have different perspectives providing a fullness to the picture.
But the fun factor is the big thing. That's what keeps the energy coming back to me. Personally, I love to piss off the tyrants, knowing that there's not a gosh darned thing they can do about it.
Yeah, sounds like RCG has gotten a good sense of the inevitable. Wonder if the other splinters are picking up on the same clues. RCG is not going to rise up and become the super-blessed splinter that unites everyone. What they are now experiencing is analogous to palliative care as opposed to further surgery. When Dave carks it, they're pretty much gone. Hope his kids get some of the assets to compensate them for the lives they were dealt.
It sounds like Priscilla has mental issues. Africans in general are world class scammers, so who do you believe? They will pledge allegiance to whomever will send them support, often from multiple organizations at the same time. It's a sad situation.
Racist much, 6:27?
We wont get a dime which of course suits me fine. Since I reached back out to him recently and visited the campus for the first time I had 1000 questions for him if I was going to be back involved. Apparently he gives back whatever he has left of his salary at the end of the year. My understanding is the other ordained men do something of the sort as well. The church itself is of course controlled entirely by the board which of course hes a member and has powerful say but if something were to happen theyd just appoint a new theological leader and the show goes on. I suppose wed be expected to clear out the house with his wife and get his personal effects and heirlooms organized and thats about it.
Now that the campus is paid off and the church has turned inward it essentially exists for those that remain. Many members have even bought property on the campus so its owned collectively and I would expect that to continue further. With rare exception this was something that apparently the members were very excited for. But with the shift in gospel bottom line the overhead is minimal compared to when they had an entire field ministry and were spending all the rounds of common on "warning the world". It may be shocking but everybody there lives a very humble life and from what I saw is content with themselves on this little campground/farm/campus/compound whatever you want to call it.
If something were to happen to him MY takeaway after being there for the first time recently is that the show would actually go on if something were to happen to him. In fact I think I am assured thats what would happen.
I'll answer any questions or anything related to RCG moving forward for a time. As Ive stated Ive been very involved in the post WCG community my entire adult life behind the scenes with folks. But anyway....time has gone on and Im older now and thought Id reach out to him. I was very blunt that Id be sharing everything I learned and he didnt discourage it whatsoever. They really seem to have nothing to hide there and besides obviously the theology i was less troubled leaving then before I arrived.
I work hard through the week solving customers machine problems, and enjoy resting on Saturdays. This morning, while reading the latest on Banned, and mentally searching for a soundtrack for today, I inadvertently discovered my favorite splinter group. Shocked? You shouldn't be! This splinter group has nothing to do with the HWAcaca. It is Peter Green's Splinter Group! Check it out on Youtube. Many people do not realize that Peter Green recovered from the mental issues which forced his early retirement from a little band he founded called Fleetwood Mac, and starting in 1996 (sounds about right for a splinter) he and other prominent British musicians started a new band, cut 6 studio albums, and toured for 8 years, releasing 2 live albums along the way. Awesome Blues if you appreciate that genre. Check it out. Peter Green's Splinter Group.
I've even got an African tie in (Silver-tongued devil!) so that this comment is not off topic! Peter is shown as wearing African clothing and headwear in pictures commemorating this era. So there you have it! Splinter Group + something African.
I sure hope Priscilla sees this!
BB
6:27, they are "mental issues" to you but prove the adultery and there's your scammer.
Re RCG and 9:47's comment, you were "less troubled leaving than before you arrived"? And you were surprised by this? When a ship is sinking the hubris starts to go away and becomes filled with a little humility and need for mercy before the impending doom. This is probably what you felt while leaving Pack's soothsaying compound.
Is that you, Ryan, at 9:47? Is so, remember your roots.
My main concern is if there is corruption. I dont care if they are humble....just that i see a humble lifestyle
I read and reread 11:06's comment. He or she did not misspell "educated". Why did you chose to mock them by throwing a spelling error back in their face that they did not even make? 🎼 Lavender Blue, silly dilly! 🎹
A lot of corruption is initiated by low-profile individuals who do not wish to be caught. Corruption and humility are not mutual exclusives! They often go hand in hand, humility being a cover for corruption.
There is no humility where there is corruption. It is just a false humility that you can't detect because you can't distinguish the fruits.
4:19 was referring to Pack. If he hasn't confessed to his sins, there is no humility but only ongoing corruption.
I assume that everybody is corrupt or out to screw me over until they prove otherwise. It takes a while to accurately discern whether someone is humble, or affecting the mannerisms of humility. I saw both amongst the members and ministry of WCG, so discernment comes easily to me.
I'm ccog deacon louis wahela, im speaking to Dr Bob to please fire Radson Mulowzoa, it is true he has other wife Sambani in Zomba, I know where mulowzoa visits her, you were told this many times dr bob please listen mulowzoa evil person visit witches demon
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