Showing posts with label Herbert W Armstrong. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Herbert W Armstrong. Show all posts

Tuesday, October 4, 2011

LCG Not Guilty of Recreating HWA In Their Own Image?



Wallace Smith (LCG) has  a beef with those in various splinter cults that "recreate" Herbert Armstrong to fit the image they seek to portray even to the point of adding their own words to HWA's comments.  I find it kind of hypocritical for LCG be saying such a thing considering the fact on how they worship and exalt all things related to HWA.  HWA has been recreated to fit the mold of LCG and it's doctrinal viewpoints.



Recreating Herbert W Armstrong in their own image

Click on link above to read entire article 

 

Herbert and Loma Armstrong (from Autobiography, Vol 1)

One thing I appreciate about the Living Church of God — and something that I do not find anyplace else I have looked — is an effective dedication to the Bible above all else and to the proper respect for the teachings and work of Herbert W Armstrong.

Yet, our (very appropriate) love and fondness for Mr. Armstrong, a man we rightly believe to have been a modern day apostle, is used by many to turn some away from the truth — and even from what he, himself, taught — in subtle, deceptive ways. They do this by recreating Herbert W Armstrong in their own image.
Many do this these days. Tellingly, they do not agree with each other. I remember driving down Central Expressway once in Dallas (actually, it could have been the 635 loop–it’s been a while!) and almost running off the road when I saw a giant billboard with Mr. Armstrong’s face on it. I actually exited the highway, looped around, and got back on to look at it again. It was an advertisement for some sort of public presentation by one of the many “pretenders to the throne” (“graspers of the mantle”?) out there claiming to stand for what Mr. Armstrong preached and taught and claiming that a man who can no longer speak for himself would completely endorse what the pretender had to say.

This fellow is not alone. Many like to parade an image of Mr. Armstrong and claim his posthumous endorsement. Logically they cannot all be right, given how much they despise and disagree each other, yet logically they can all be wrong. The latter would be the case. (Some reading this may disagree. “Well, welcome to my blog,” he says, with emphasis on the word “my.”)

What they do is recreate Mr. Armstrong in their own image. They tend to take the things he said that they wish to emphasize and highlight those things (often with a great deal of bluster and chest thumping), while they tend to diminish, minimize, or explain away those things he said that clearly disagree with their personal doctrinal obsession or their justification for self-promotion. They do this in a variety of ways.


Another way they deceive those who love Herbert W Armstrong and recreate him in their own image is to “enhance” his own words with their own personal commentary. I’ve seen at least one hilarious version of this taken to a ridiculous extreme, in which an incredibly clear statement made by Mr. Armstrong concerning the fullness of the gospel’s content is twisted by inserting the deceptive teacher’s own words and explanation into Mr. Armstrong’s words so as to make Mr. Armstrong’s original writing incoherent. Even today, more than 25 years after his death, Herbert Armstrong remains one of the clearest writers I have ever read — there’s a reason he called his magazine the Plain Truth! Yet this one deceptive “augmented” quote I have in mind would have us believe the man couldn’t put two sentences together without our needing him to explain why the two sentences are self-contradictory. Unbelievable. (And, frankly, a sign of how desperate and self-deceived some people can be.)

Friday, September 30, 2011

Going "Knockers" Over HWA




There is an HWA worshiping splinter cult which produces a magazine called "The Knock" which makes Herbert W Armstrong out to be God's greatest gift to humanity.  I guess wimpy effeminate Jesus does not cut it.  This is produced and distributed by The Vigilant Church of God in Berwyn, Illinois.

Many claim to understand prophecy, but they have never had all of the pieces, God had scattered and hidden them from humanity intentionally! Sadly, many preachers of false prophecy say that they understand the puzzle by forcefully pressing a few pieces together, even though they’re not a natural fit.

God had RAISED UP a man, by the 1930’s, and showed him where most of the pieces were hidden. In the appointed time period, when knowledge would rapidly increase, God revealed to a man named Herbert W. Armstrong, the places where the pieces were scattered and hidden. Then, this man figuratively, went around the multi acre farm property and gathered up about 90% of the pieces which were the all important FRAMEWORK PIECES to this prophetic puzzle! When these puzzle pieces were put together, they created the beautiful picture that God intended His end time Church to understand. This massive, prophetic framework that had never, UP TO THAT TIME, been assembled before; was assembled by God, through Herbert W. Armstrong!
Of course now that you know this secret hidden gnostic knowledge, you should immediately send in you money to the Vigilant Church of God because it, and ONLY it, is doing the work today!
Only ONE group of God’s called are actively doing this today!
Is Christ KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR? Are YOU willing to AWAKE, RISE UP, and OPEN IT?
Christ has placed this unique opportunity before YOU!
You can

Friday, September 23, 2011

HWA Was NOT a False Apostle Regardless of Over 200+ Failed Prophecies!



HWA was NEVER wrong in his prophecies!  He wasn't!  He was NOT!  Get that through your laodicean minds!  Here is how some Yahooists claim he was never wrong!

Prophesy has never been a hard and fast thing. Mr. Armstrong has believed sincerely in many events that did not happen as he thought they would. That does not make him a false apostle any more than it made Peter and Paul false when they thought that Christ was coming back in there time.

Even though there are well over 200 document failed prophecies of HWA and other COG ministers, they were and still are not wrong???????

Mr. Armstrong was not wrong and neither were they.
Mr Armstrong never got anything wrong on prophecy as  many will begin to shortly see. He had every valid reason to believe that WW2 was the end.
But on Laodicea he was dead on the money. It is NOT here yet, but there are seeds already planted and growing that will be Laodicea.
What we have now is a dying and weakened Philadelphian era. 
Ephesians did not become something else. They remained Ephesians as they were called. But it is possible to be a bad Ephesian as it is possible to become a bad Philadelphian. No era was perfect and you can be a bad member of any era.
But Mr. A taught that the Laodicean church would rise in the tribulation and do a work.
The work today is a weak Philadelphian work, poor and dying off and loosing the truth of doctrine. This is why it is given the serious warning to "HOLD FAST".
We are told to hold fast because Philadelphia is now removing , changing and watering down doctrine..
Interracial marriage has been CHANGED by all the churches today. They list it as an inconvenience but not a sin. It is sin.. the entire world was destroyed for it!
Sabbath has been watered down.. so much.
But Laodicea is going to rise up yet.

In the recording Mr. Armstrong says  DEFINITIVELY:  "God is still revealing truth to me" and what he said was truth here too

Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Monday, July 18, 2011

Racial Purity, Armstrongism and Haile Selassie



There was a post on Stuff Fundies Like the other day about a letter that was written to Bob Jones University about interracial dating.  The letter refered to the story that Moses married an Ethiopian.  Bob Jones III had the typical things a fundamentalist would say (as do far right Armstrongites.)There are two types of Ethiopians - blacks and whites.  Whites were the good kind and that is what Moses married.

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What struck me as interesting in the post was the reference to Haile Selassie.  Remember how Herbert Armstrong salivated over this man.  He featured him on the Plan Truth, showered him with Steuben Crystal and made numerous visits with the man. Selassie also bedecked HWA with gifts and medals.



What was HWA's fascination with the man?  Could it be partly in reference to the comments made by Bob Jones?  Jones like HWA was not too keen on close ties with blacks.  Selassie was looked upon as a white Ethiopian and NOT one of the black Ethiopians. Therefore in HWA's British Israel thought process, white was good.  HWA assumed that Selassie was a direct descendant of the Queen of Sheba also an Ethiopian.  Because she was mentioned in the Bible interacting with Solomon, she therefore had to be white, since the Christan church has compared Solomon and Sheba at many times as Solomon being a type of Christ and Sheba being the Church.  Because Christ marries the church, therefore Christ could NOT have married a black woman!

Saturday, July 9, 2011

It All Started 78 Years Ago Today



The cause of so much trouble and division in the Churches of God can be traced back to one single event that happened today, July 9, 1933

78 years ago HWA started a 6-week long tent preaching extravaganza in Oregon.  This was his first rebellion against the Church of God Seventh Day who had ordained him in 1931.  They did not swallow his drivel on British Israelism and holy day requirements.  So in a rebellious attitude he started preaching on his own and today we are/were part of the legacy of destruction left in his wake.

Friday, May 27, 2011

Armstrongism's Biggest Splinter Cult with 148,970 Members!!!!!!!




 
Everyone knows that of the hundred's of harlot daughters that have split off of the Worldwide Church of God over the last two decades that United Church of God was the largest. Followed by Living Church of God and then Philadelphia Church of God.  The last two are lucky if they can gather 3 - 4,000 together.

But have no fear, the largest COG is here!  Did you know that there is a splinter cult, based in Idaho that has over 148,970 members worldwide?



Welcome to to the world of Church of God Worldwide who claims as its "Assistant Pastor General, Craig Mortin.  Everyone I have talked to have never heard of the guy.  Search as you may, you also will not find out who the official Pastor General is.  For  a splinter cult that claims to be the faithful remnant proclaiming the restored truth, they are far too secretive.

The Church of God Worldwide is an organization built up of brethren around the world, devoted to practicing the true Christianity of which was found within the New Testament Church of God and to announcing the Good News of the Kingdom of God. We are found in many countries around the world.

The Church of God Worldwide has around 148,970 brethren in over 150 congregations around the world. The Church is just a small part of the body of Jesus Christ which has many other like-minded organizations and groups who also announce the same Message as we proclaim.

The Church of God Worldwide (originally Faithful Church of God) had its start at the Feast of Tabernacles in 1995 in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho with only about 500 brethren.
More About Us
The Church of God Worldwide is an active part of the body of Jesus Christ, with a beginning as a formal organization in 1995. Doctrines are based upon the Bible and are distinct to the Church of God. Our doctrines include the seventh-day Sabbath, a modern application of the ancient Hebrew Holy Day seasons (which also Jesus kept and His disciples, and also the New Testament Church), avoiding certain meats and also avoiding pagan holidays are just a few of the distinct doctrines practiced by the Church.

The Church also traces its origins to the very Church that Jesus founded at the day of Pentecost on 31 C.E. Many of the members of the Church were once members of the Worldwide Church of God (now Grace Communion International). This organization was led originally by the late Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986). Mr. Armstrong restored many plain and precious truths which were only kept by the original New Testament Church.

I never cease to be amazed at how these men who start these various insignificant little splinter cults will so boldly lie!  The truth be told, I bet this little cult has no more than maybe it's original 500 members.  Even that number is suspicious considering that Mortin has lied about  his 148,970 members.

Death By God: Thoughts On Faith vs Medicine



A couple of years ago this article was on God Discussion.  It is as timely today as ever since people continue to die in PCG and LCG because of it's rejection of doctors (unless of course you are the fearless leader and then no expense is spared.)

Years ago, my brother almost died because of a ruptured appendix. This was not the fault of the local physicians. It was the fault of the Worldwide Church of God, which at that time was headed by Herbert W. Armstrong. Because of the church's stronghold on my parents' intellectual reasoning, they and the minister prayed over my sick brother for months, putting stupid little "anointing cloths" and oil described in the bible on him. He became sicker and sicker, wasting away to nothing except for a grossly bloated stomach. He was so weak he could not walk.   He suffered tremendously.
 Fortunately, my parents allowed reason, love and compassion to prevail and took him to the emergency room, despite the instructions of the church. They did so in the nick of time. The appendix had ruptured and my brother hovered near death. My parents felt guilty about this for the rest of their lives. In fact, my mother manifested appendicitis in her late 50s.Death by God

Sunday, April 3, 2011

Good Night WCG-Gracie/A Few Final Thoughts



Good Night WCG-Gracie/A Few Final Thoughts
Dennis Diehl - EzineArticles Expert AuthorTo begin with, this letter is for me and perhaps part of my own life experience and healing after a 26 year run as a Pastor in the Worldwide Church of God. I came to the Church philosophically at the age of 16, having grown up Presbyterian in a very stable and loving family. The teachings of the WCG appealed to me and made more sense if one was to read and take the Bible as a fundamentally true document in all the areas that it claimed to express it's truth. The world of the 60's was chaotic. Presidents were assassinated, politicians were gunned down and civil rights protesters and leaders were being beaten, hung, drawn and shot. The Middle East was on fire as were many American cities. The Bible seemed to say that the end of something was near. I was also young and naive, but with wonderful intentions.

I went to Ambassador College against the wishes of my parents, who simply allowed me to make my own decisions. What a wonderful concept, allowing your kids to make their own religious decisions, even though I recently told my dad, now near 90 and a former elder in WCG, that I wish he had slapped me silly for even thinking of going. Of course, at that time, that would have only proved to me that it was the right thing to do since I was being opposed and at the time, I just knew I had to be there. I had to study and wanted to see the world through the eyes of the Church. It just seemed right to me and any ego loves believing that God himself was doing the calling. I was not drawn by the Armstrong personalities at first. There were many times at college where they annoyed me and I knew that what was spoken so brilliantly and with charisma, was in fact, not actually true, or simply speculation about the times in which were living. The information is what caught my attention. I was a very serious thinker at a very young age. There are reasons for that that I now understand completely, but I spare you.


And so I went to Ambassador. I wanted to be a pastor and even though I heard that God had to call you and, of course, the administration had to choose you, I studied as if it was all up to me. I had a 3.96 grade average. I enjoyed studying the Bible. I simply wanted to know "the truth". I got corrected for hair too long and not enough attendance at basketball games. I didn't care about basketball, but to make me show up, they made me be a flag something-or-other in a white coat and I felt like an idiot. I should have said no, but complied. I complied a lot over the next 26 years over more serious topics, though teaching and encouraging the congregation was more important to me than enforcing silly or reckless rules about various topics.
After graduation I went into "the field". Five states, 14 congregations and 26 years later, in a five minute phone call at 9:30 in the evening, I was terminated. Strangely enough, it was the anniversary of my baptism at 19 years old.


Now is the moment I have to be honest about me if I am to continue. I currently am a skeptic as to the origins and history of the Christian Church. That is my business and the result of my own study and perspectives. The WCG experience caused me to really look deeply into origins and I personally found I was not told near the truth about the matter. They didn't know near as much as they pretended to know. I was coming to some of these conclusions during the last few years as a pastor. I can hear some of this skepticism in some of my last Festival sermons. I felt that if a whole church administration can publicly flip an entire organization's belief system and expect compliance, I can certainly entertain the doubts and contradictions I have seen in the Bible quietly by myself. I could have easily walked off with most of the local congregation if I wanted to have years of local politics and doing what Christian Churches do best... argue, judge and fight, but I was done. I will never lose my interest in theology. I still want to know the truth even if it is not the one I set out to understand. I simply will not join another church again. From my perspective the Old and the New WCG was and is ill informed as is all literalist, evangelical and fundamentalist Christianity. That may not be true for you, but it is true for me. My favorite observation is that most Christians are piously convicted but marginally informed. That is true to me.


Most pastoring years were personally rewarding. I did not have to work in large cities playing games with other pastors who had empires to rule and egos to feed. I simply did my job, love those I met, laughed with them, cried with them, married and buried spouses, children and relatives, along with growing churches. I drove approximately one million miles (really) visiting, being a friend and believing I was doing the right thing.

There were lots of guys and families like mine. It's the narcissists that got all the bad press and still do. Towards the end, when every visit turned into a slug fest over what the Tkach's were doing in the Church, any capacity was a burden and not a joy. It was a miserable experience. Your friend one day became your lost friend the next. On top of that, I was in the American Southeast where being judgmental and critical of others not like you has been raised to an art form. Around here, every third male thinks that if he can read and tell a few stories, he is a Pastor. It's one of the few professions where one with no education or meaningful credentials can claim ultimate authority from God, and be someone.


By analogy, I came to a hockey game and at half time, someone came out, melted the ice, put up hoops and demanded I not only play, but coach Basketball, which if you remember...I don't like. Suffering a personal depression and a lot of regret over having given my youth and energy to the ever-changing truth, I made some mistakes that would be considered unacceptable as a pastor. Outside of the ministry and its neurotic demand to "become perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect," it would just be what it was and a common, oft told tale and theme of what I would help many a member with and through. But as a pastor, I could be criticized and I accept that. No one can live the life, feel the feelings or have the thoughts of another. Not in a real world.


At any rate, I stayed to encourage the local congregation. It did not work. The assault on what we must now think and do was relentless and those who did not participate simply had to go. If you were a minister, you simply lost everything and had to reinvent your life after being "uncalled" if being "recalled" and retrofitted did not make you a good little evangelical, hand waving, "cross" eyed, freak. YOU, not I managed to reduce my local congregation from just under 400 very sincere and faithful people to around 25 now meeting in some hokey storefront giving out Halloween candy with scriptures on the wrappers! Oh barf (it was a printable story on spreading the Gospel in the WN) ...winning converts with Scriptural Halloween candy!! It is simply pathetic to see a congregation and a MINISTER reduced to that nonsense. YOU, not I managed to reduce all my previous congregations by 90%+ Nice work.


Anyway...It simply came down to that five minute call one evening out of the blue informing me that I was done in the ministry and that I could call personnel for the details of the severance package. It was six months pay to get a new life and signing off on any future retirement, unless WCG, which means Bernie Schnippert, deems you loyal enough to support. Of course, I was not so that's quite a savings right there.... Perhaps one can imagine the position that puts one in when in my youth, the church had all ministers sign off on Social Security with the promise that "we will take care of you". Well actually you have taken care of me... but good.


My dad worked for Eastman Kodak, has been retired for years and you know, he once bought Fuji film, and Kodak still gives him retirement. Retirement is not based on loyalty. It is based on years of service.


You can't ask people to be loyal to something that was pushed upon them and with which they had little agreement. Most of the people in WCG came FROM where you wanted to go. You can't ask people to change their minds, hopes and faith just because YOU think they should agree with you. Life, much less the human mind does not work that way. Frankly, those of you who "administer" the church, should have left long ago and asked Benny Hinn, TBN , and the Harvest Crock Church to take you in as spiritual refugees. I realize you could not continue to grant yourselves lifetime income and security by doing this, but it is what YOU should have done and left the Church, whose perspective you scorned, alone. If it was wrong for YOU, then leave it, don't destroy it and drive most to despair, skepticism and in some few cases literal suicide. Instead, you made everyone else leave. Now that's power...stupid, self-serving and egocentric power. Benny Hinn has a rule that he does not want people looking him in the eyes. He makes it a rule wherever he goes. He does it as part of his holy farce, fake and failed prophecies ministry because he believes he is more special than others. Perhaps a similar rule would save you all from seeing the pain, hurt and spiritual confusion in the eyes of countless good people, including former ministers who gave just as much and more in some areas a congregant could not appreciate.


You need to remember that the monies you realized in the sale of the campus which you will now "invest" into an almost non existent "worldwide church" and give yourselves and as few others as possible a lifetime income, is labor from the 1950's, 60's 70's 80's and 90's. I'd say you should calculate how much real giving YOU inspired. Real giving, from the heart during your Sheepling of the Sheep and not the efforts of others, whether you agreed with them or not. And you can't count the guilt or habitual giving types. You can only count the purely evangelical fundamentalist "New and Improved Church of God" giving. That's your money to work with. That's the fruit of your labor in "Him" as some say. I'd also like to ask that when you go to eat out, or take a cruise in the fall to not keep an archaic, and Jesus embarrassing non-festival. Or when you pay a mortgage or get a new car or have your health needs taken care of, and do whatever your good Christian Evangelical heart wan ts, you might remember what others might be struggling with just to keep up. I know my own father was able to survive because Kodak had a plan,


I am not so sure about myself at this moment in my life. By others, I include former members also, but mean former pastors with whom I also have had great experience. Please remember when you are tempted to judge or put people in categories of worthy or not worthy, that you're coming to "know" Jesus and reinventing the wheel of truth, and discovering the "old old story", which is older than you can possibly imagine, has cost others a lot. It cost some who were unable to distinguish between the emotional death of their hope and faith and literal death, their lives. That is not a judgment. That is just the way it has been for some.


Being a hard wired sensitive human being (ENFP-let him who reads understand); I understand that feeling and shock. The depression I have wrestled with is really internalized anger, and the sarcasm I am capable of is simply that anger turned sideways. Neither you nor the previous administration were particularly easy people to reason with or explain things to. You are always right it seems, and to date, a rather emotionally cold and calculated group outside your circle and towards those that have reacted to your administration. I have always said when the common folk simply have had enough and say "NO" to childish posturing and the phony authority ministerial administrative types put on, all of a sudden, God inspires a new and better understanding. But in fact, it is simply realizing one can't dismiss the common sense perspectives of educated people and survive.


We get depressed because people don't listen and we lose our bearings with little or no genuine support. You all need to understand that. Personally, I am still amazed that since that one fateful personal call that my career was over, no one ever contacted me again...ever. This is what I mean by cold. I encouraged the local church in my last sermon to continue to support you. I have since regretted the content and misplaced loyalty of my last sermon. I believe that was back when I had just been assured that "we will not be changing" this or that, and it all changed that month.


The emotions that people direct towards the collective "you" for reckless change and indifference to the spiritual and physical sacrifices made by thousands and which now result in your having more money than you need to "do the work", is quite normal. I suspect, as do others, you knew what your losses would be, but did not care, and still don't. Maybe even you don't know why you do and did what you did. Perhaps that would take a professional to sort out.


I don't know the games you played with your Evangelical supporters behind the scenes but I do know that "the Bible Answer Man" and others you have embraced also show a pattern of financial gain through religious manipulation and theological ignorance. Hank Hanegraaf's perspective on evolution and literal human origins is simply ignorant. He is not qualified to write on such topics as if he knew. His mistake as well as that of the Fundamentalist and Evangelical mind-set is to take the text as literally and historically true from the start without question, but that is another whole topic. I can't tell you how many Evangelical type ministers I have met in my other life now that have said, "I know you are right, but I can't teach that, I'd lose my job." Grab a copy of Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, by John Spong and then try to say the Bible is all harmonious and literally true. It's a very simple read and with your backgrounds, you should be very capable of grasping it's message. The same is to be said of many of the theological articles you now write. Pious conviction with marginal information.


Finally, and I know I will always be able to think of more to say, I wanted to comment on your "Ministry of Reconciliation." While I am all for Black/White reconciliation, it is majoring in the minors at this point. I know how difficult it is to communicate with those you have offended. Or maybe I am only seeing this topic through my own eyes and for you it is not difficult at all. I don't know. I do know that reconciling with races is not your main problem. It is the inability to reconcile with people that has been your undoing.


It may take a few more years, but this lack will leave WCG dead and buried in just about any form. Only a small group of people will have a lot of money. I imagine you can afford to dabble in just about any Evangelical fantasy you choose. You can associate with whoever is the most emotionally satisfying regardless of how anyone left in WCG feels about it and whether it represents their hopes and dreams. I also feel that the new owners of the property are another religious scandal waiting to happen. Men with that much emotion, power, influence and ridiculous religious showmanship wear many masks and cannot maintain all of them all the time. Truly spiritual people don't need others to define them, but Sheeple remember, need Shepherds. I will say that if I hear or see any of you standing with Benny Hinn in the Rededication of the Ambassador Auditorium, to a new and improved God from the last time it was dedicated, I will vomit. It will however prove that the unchangeable God changes often depending on who gets to write the script. It would be a great symbol of everything that is wrong with all those various denominations that know the one true mind of God. God is so often in the image of the men who speak for Him. At any rate, put some thought into who you really might need to reconcile with and see what you come up with. I won't hold my breath.


I thank any and all for listening to me open up and express these things. I realize I can be sarcastic. I realize that I still have anger I don't wish to have and regrets about not speaking up in times past I can only remedy by speaking up now. I also realize I have nothing to loose, which even Janis Joplin defined as true freedom.
I wanted to be a pastor from a very young age. The reasons were probably rather hokey, but they were sincere. The WCG seemed right at the time. I had to be there. I accept responsibility for being there and also for being here now. I simply ask you to reconsider your perspectives and responsibilities. You might be able to dismiss it because " we weren't responsible for the past." I will simply say. I am not talking about the past. That is over and done with. If you can't take some responsibility for the past, then you can't control the money you have now gotten from the sale of the past. It's that simple. I don't expect you take responsibility for the past administration's way of being and doing. But your way of being and doing in the recent past is more than enough for you to take responsibility for and do whatever you really think your new Jesus would do.
Warm regards and thanks for listening,

Dennis C. Diehl
DenniscDiehl@aol.com

Friday, February 25, 2011

Imbibing With the Apostle





Pictured above is the current price of Louis XIII Remy Martin Grande Champagne Cognac.

This was one of Herbert Armstrong's favorite evening indulgences.  The container  the cognac is in is a baccarat crystal decanter and comes in a velvet lined red case.

At HWA's death there were three of these sitting on his liquor shelves in the basement, along with loads of other expensive alcoholic delights.  Upstairs there were two more in the cabinets.

When HWA was buying these (or should I say the church members were with their tithe money) he was paying around $750.00.  That was in the mid-1980's.  Twenty-five years later the price is running at $2,195.00.  That is one expensive indulgence!  Particularly when he was drinking it out of his St Louis Excellence Cognac/sherry glasses that were appraised at $250.00 each  in 2000.

Monday, February 14, 2011

Tools For Modern Day Apostles Volume II

These items are vital tools for Ambassadors of World Peace!
You too can talk to Mrs. Sadat about a world that is ready to be spanked!
Well, I guess that one came true........


Regency Silver Bowl  1818
Paul Storr
$15,000 - 25,000
Sold for $27,600.00

Regency Silver Soup Tureen, cover and liner
Paul Storr, 1814
$30,000-50,000
Sold for $28,750.00

 
Regency Silver-Gilt Wine Coolers
Paul Storr, 1813
$60,000-90,000
Sold for $107,000

George III Silver Tureen and Cover and Stand
Paul Storr, 1809
$40,000-60,000
Sold for $51,750.00

Regency Silver-gilt Centerpice
Paul Storr, 1818
$30,000-50,000
Three Bacchic Nymphs
Sold for $48,300.00

Twelve Regency Silver-Gilt Dinner Plates
Paul Storr, 1815
$30,000-50,000
Not listed as sold
Regency Silver Gilt Salver
Paul Storr, 1815
$2,000-3,000
Sold for $1,950.00


Duke of Norfolk's Coronation Cup
Paul Storr, 1831
$20,000-30,000
Sold for $18,400.00

Regency Silver-gilt Serving Tongs Made For The Prince Regent
Paul Storr, 1811
$6,000-8,000
Sold for $10,350.00

George III Silver Gilt Centerpiece
1803
$15,000-25,000
Sold for $40,250.00


George III Silver-gilt Centerpice
Paul Storr, 1808
$20,000-30,000
Sold for $52,900.00

George III Silver Wine Collers
Paul Storr 1798
$25,000-35,000
Sold for $48,300.00

George III Silver Epergne
1770
$8,000-12,000
Sold for $12,650.00

Charles II Silver Caudle Cup
1667
$3,000-5,000
Sold for $3,680.00

Six Queen Anne Silver Fluted Dishes
1713
$30,000-50,000
Sold for $74,000