Dave Pack: My Damnation Truly Slumbers Not

Dave writes about what he assumes is a description of the top three CO Leaders.  What he has done is perfectly describe himself!  Dave has become personally rich off of the backs of his poor members.  He is constantly procuring new things and works overtime to attain the status he thinks he deserves.  He is getting ready to use the COG members as merchandise, to move about as he sees fit.

He is a false teacher among the brethren, bringing false heresies and he specially denies The Lord he claims to follow.

Dave's damnation truly slumbers not.

Zechariah 11:5: “Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the Lord; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not.” Who are these shepherd “possessors” slaying the flock? Who are the shepherds that have become “rich” from buying and selling God’s people?

The Hebrew brings clues. Possessors can also be translated “…to procure, especially by purchase (causatively sell); by implication to own: attain, buy (-er)…get…possess (-or), purchase.” Sell in the Hebrew means “to sell, literally (as MERCHANDISE).” We already saw that “shepherds” would be ministers.

Now II Peter 2: “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who [privately] shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves SWIFT DESTRUCTION. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness [enriching themselves and their organizations] shall they with feigned words make MERCHANDISE of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not” (vs. 1-3).

Dave Pack: The Incoming Remnant Are to Obey and Fear

Ultimately it is not about Dave's members fearing God.  They are to fear him.  Given his abysmal track record of spiritual abusing members, there may be a great excuse to fear Davey.  All of this great reunification event apparently is to happen in ONE day.  Good luck with that one!  Even Davey's god can't pull that off. 

The best place to start is a simple review of a key portion in Haggai: “…ALL the remnant of the people, obeyed the voice of the Lord their God, and the words of Haggai the prophet, as the Lord their God had sent him, and the people did fear before the Lord. Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people, saying, I am with you, says the Lord. And the Lord stirred up the spirit of Zerubbabel…and the spirit of Joshua…and the spirit of ALL the remnant of the people; and they came and did work in the house of the Lord [God’s Church] of hosts, their God, in the four and twentieth day of the sixth month…” (1:12-15).

The Hebrew for obeyed (shama) means “to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention): consider, diligently, discern, give ear, listen, (be) obedient, obey, perceive, regard, understand.” The context shows the remnant finally begins to hear God after decades of ignoring Him. Verse 12 describes the remnant as “fearing” God. This is not speaking primarily about the “fear of God.” Let’s see this. The Hebrew for fear means “to fear; to revere; to frighten: dread (-ful).” The word before is better translated “because of.” God does something that frightens the remnant and causes them to listen. Whatever this trauma is—you will learn it momentarily!—the people finally start listening to God. Thousands today who have God’s Spirit are NOT listening to Him. They are NOT “considering their ways” (Hag. 1:5, 7)—doctrines, standards, traditions, behavior, etc.

Haggai 1:14 also reveals the FIRST culminating event that occurs. GOD’S SPIRIT stirs His people to act, alongside a second culminating event that we will cover momentarily. The Hebrew for “stirred” in Haggai 1:14 means “(through the idea of opening the eyes); to wake: lift up, raise up, stir up.” This stirring is what causes all of God’s people to return from their “houses” to work again in GOD’S House. And notice the Scripture describes it culminating in a single day. God, through His Spirit, reassures His people that “I am with you” (in this case, back with them)—and to “fear not” in the human sense of fear—after He had previously removed them from His Church and held back blessings from their groups. Terribly frightened from what they saw, God now calms them so they can go forward in peace to fulfill His purpose.

Dave Pack: Rightful Sequential Heir

Dave seems to think his is the rightful heir to Herbert Armstrong.  He claims that HWA was Zerubbabel while he is Joshua and that the Bible foretold their separate times in history.  One followed the other and neither did their work together.  It is only logical, at least in Dave's mind, that Dave is the rightful heir to the throne.

Alongside Haggai, God has in fact hidden the most dramatic details of what happens to His people in another place—a chapter in Zechariah! Zechariah adds key elements to the picture in Haggai.

Some review from announcement #12. First mentioned in the book of Ezra (5:1-2), Haggai and Zechariah were prophets who served alongside each other around 520 BC, and “prophesied” during the time of the Jews returning from Babylonian captivity—when the Temple in Jerusalem was being rebuilt. They recorded PROPHECIES—not history!—which had no application for the ancient Jews of their time. The events described in these books clearly take place at the end of the age. Haggai and Zechariah recorded events that have mostly not yet happened, although elements of what they foretold have greatly advanced since Mr. Armstrong’s death. Also remember that these prophets include instruction to the ancient figures Zerubbabel and Joshua, and that these leaders were types of men who would come two and a half millennia later. Each of these modern types is spoken to in his own time—to men who worked primarily sequentially, not in parallel.