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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
It is a chilly night on the central coast as the area prepares for winter rain to hit later this week. That chilliness extends deep within the Five Cities area and into the heart of the world's foremost theologian and the greatest Church of God leader to ever exist in human history. The Great Beto Bob has been really perturbed by Dave Pack's latest prophetic vomit, so much so that he has two significant pieces on Dave's latest utterances.
In the eyes of Beto, there is a zero percent chance of any other man leading a COG of ever being a real prophet of God. The god of the Churches of God can ONLY work through one human being and no one else. No one has been foreordained before the foundations of the world were even dreamed up as being the ONE sent at the end times to witness to the church and the world than our very own Beto Bob, the Great Bwana of Africa and 150 Caucasians. The world's foremost prophet is the only TRUE COG prophet to ever be quoted on MSNBC, in the Washington Post, and on numerous right-wing conspiracy sites. Aren't you impressed!!!!!!!!!!!
So, it is really irksome that Dave Pack gets more press time than he does by making so many prophetic utterances.
The Great Beto believes that no one on earth has been more vocal than he has been in denouncing Dave and that he has NEVER been wrong!
Furthermore, David Pack did not make his statements on God’s authority–God cannot be wrong, but David Pack will again be.
So, no, RCG followers will not look like Christ on December 9th, 2022.
And no, the Day of the Lord will not begin on December 24th, 2022.
For over a decade, I have denounced false predictions of David Pack–I have never been wrong in my denouncements, and he was never right when I posted he would be wrong.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist or the mind of a high schooler to know that all COG prophets have been professional liars. Not one single thing any of them have ever predicted has EVER come to pass and NEVER will! That includes Herbert Armstrong and all of his apostate progeny down through the decades.
The Great Beto goes on to say how Pack is misleading people. Notice that the Great Beto cannot do such a thing. In fact, the Great Beto has written a "book" on the subject that makes all references points point to himself as the only true prophet of the church, which we all know to be a blatant lie.
David Pack has made many wrong prophetic announcements, misunderstands prophecy, and has been misleading people prophetically.
After much chest thumping and stroking, the Great Beto has this to say about Dave:
David Pack is NOT leading God’s work.
Of course, the Great Beto launches right into declaring himself as the ONE TRUE prophet sent to the church.
And that is why we in the Continuing Church of God believe we are leading what I have termed the final phase of the work. We successfully reached millions on very little income, because we have not “despised the day of small things” and we know God will be faithful.
It will be through God’s Spirit, not a bunch of money or buildings intended to impress those outside of RCG to join with RCG as David Pack has long hoped. Sadly, many are still listening to him and his covetous pleas for money.
Of course, I have long warned against RCG, never believed that David Pack was an apostle, and doubt he is actually a converted Christian. People can do what they want with their assets, but I, of course, will not be one to send RCG any.
Beto ends with this:
I believe that David Pack is false, is covetous, is a bully, causes the way of truth to be blasphemed, is lustful for money, and speaks great swelling words of emptiness because of his own corrupted ego.
Hopefully, people in RCG will wake up.
Will those of you associated with RCG anoint your eyes?
David Pack is false and is not faithful.
While David Pack can say what he wants, I consider many of his statements to be false and irresponsible. Sadly, I also believe his position will reflect poorly on the COGs.
And as far as predictions go, over time, David Pack was repeatedly proven himself to be false and unreliable. People in RCG should “anoint their eyes” and admit and act on that truth.
Sadly in COGland, there is NO ONE and I repeat NO ONE who is a prophet of God. Never have we had one and there will never be one. There is no need for one, particularly after the scores of professional liars the church has already been subjected to.
Beto Bob is a self-righteous, vain, covetous bully he seeks to intimidate people into following his improperly named "continuing" Church of "god".
The people of God should anoint their eyes and admit the church has no prophets in its midst and actually does not need one, particularly if they really followed the ONE they claim they are following.
The accordion is a musical instrument that sucks in air and blows out air. It expands and contracts. You play the keyboard with one hand and press buttons with the other. “Weird Al” Yankovic made a world-famous career playing it, and now David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God is following suit.
"Weird Al" rose to the top creating parodies of popular songs. David C. Pack sinks to the bottom creating parodies of prophetic understanding.
No one else in the history of the Church of God is more "it is," "it is not," "it is," "it is not," and “beginning of the month," "middle of the month," "beginning of the month," "middle of the month," than David C. Pack. We are privileged to witness in our lifetime the biblical accordion played by a human-sized buffoon wearing a tie that we must call “Mister.”
The impossible-to-fathom-it-really-happened “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 406)” was given to an unimpressed audience on the Sabbath of November 26, 2022. Some RCG brethren are choosing to opt-out of watching it. The Member Services tracking numbers will prove that. Dave is not the ratings superstar he once was.
Following the established church tradition of "it is the end," "it is not the end," "it is the end," and "it is not the end," this quick reminder is from ten days prior.
Part 405 – November 16, 2022
@ 00:52 The Series will be over. So, because of timing, I think we all know that this could readily be called “Final Part Number 405.”
The hireling enablers on the third floor at the Hall of Administration had to roll up the Series Checkered Flag and return it to the storage closet. But they are used to that by now.
Since the Grand Poobah Thanksgiving Failure of 2022 occurred on Kislev 1 this past Thursday, Da ve has moved to the middle of the month to keep his fantasy construct together, just placing it on a different square of the game board. He laid the groundwork for a new date with a series of Prophecy Updates.
If you reread the latest update, the new 57 minutes of clarity erases what that announcement erased.
Prophecy Update – Thursday, November 24, 2022
This puts our watch day-to-day, which always leaves us more comfortable. We know this much, it can't go past the halfway mark in Kislev.
The watch is no longer day-to-day, meaning they are less comfortable again. The halfway mark IS the new big deal, not just up to it. Maybe Dave’s head cleared up once he digested the turkey, gravy, and beer from the ungrateful, commandment-breaking Thanksgiving supper.
Skipping ahead to what everyone wants to know: Did Dave set a new date, and was he clear about it? Was there waffling or wishy-washy language?
You tell me. You can watch it or read it.
Part 406 – November 26, 2022
@ 42:33 And on God’s authority, I’m gonna tell you what [Luke12:39] means. And this is critical.
@ 43:50 We’re in the right month. So, if he [Dave, the good man of the house] had known the exact time the way God has revealed it, he would tell the church, and I’m doing that now. It’s about twelve days and some additional hours at 9:35 AM on Friday, December 9th, Jerusalem time, which is sundown at 4:35 PM. That's when you will look like Christ. Period. Or the Bible means something different. God has countermanded His word…
@ 51:22 You’re blessed [salvation] exactly fifteen days before billions walk in white and the rest of the 144,000 are settled.
@ 53:50 Just like Zechariah 14:7 and other places, when God arrives in Jerusalem on the Day of the Lord at exactly sunset on December 24th with all saints who receive eternal life then. Call it Christmas Eve. On December 9th at the exact same moment, 9:35 AM our time, fifteen days earlier, the moment of sunset in Jerusalem that begins Kislev 16 and the exact mid-point of the month, certain others will receive salvation either first or second.
He is pretty declarative during his 57 minutes. Before you tremble in fear at his awesomeness, remember his terrible habit of being sure about everything that later proves false.
Part 403 – November 5, 2022
@ 04:58 And we’re gonna take a look at why I can say November with certainty.
Part 405 – November 16, 2022
@ 1:34:37 Now, if it is not this Sabbath, I don’t understand Luke 12, Matthew 24. I don't understand the math. And I don't understand Zechariah or Habakkuk 2. I don't understand how all of those verses point to he's [Elijah] gonna speak on the Sabbath, but it isn't. The Sabbath is never used for any of the Kingdoms.
@ 1:38:05 It makes perfect sense. For the first time in my 56 ½ years of studying prophecy, it all makes perfect sense. Simple.
Need I go back further?
Dave spent thirty minutes proving that when the Bible says someone is “blessed” it means “salvation.” That is the big reveal from Part 406. Shush. Do not tell anyone I told you.
Now that the skimmers are satisfied, they can go back to posting pictures of their cats sleeping.
At the beginning of the message, Dave opened with the obvious despite being wrong for the last 405 Parts of the Series.
@ 00:27 We should all know by now that Kislev is the month we’ve been looking for.
@ 00:59 We should all know by now this is fulfilled in 2022. You know the many reasons. Both month and year should be absolutely settled in your mind.
Maybe not as settled as Tammuz 1 or Cheshvan 1 or Thanksgiving, but settled for sure.
In an astounding parallel, Dave describes an aspect of the apostasy in The Worldwide Church of God thirty years ago without connecting it to the apostasy today in The Restored Church of God.
There are folks inside RCG right now…I have been talking to them…that experience exactly what Dave describes.
@ 01:16 About thirty years ago, I began to be really concerned that I could not remain in The Worldwide Church of God much longer.
The number of defections inside RCG is increasing. Concern is a mild way to describe the horrific conditions I hear about. Some details are shocking, even to me. It makes me sad. It makes me angry. Some are taking the steps needed to realize they cannot remain inside RCG because God has not remained inside RCG.
There is a spirit of fear and confusion, and distress. The days of shining faces and sparkling eyes are over in RCG. To stay is to continue to endure the anguish of heart and mind.
@ 01:38 And I knew that the church was going off a cliff and they were moving toward Christmas.
RCG started going off the cliff in a significant way in 2015 when David C. Pack self-elected himself Elijah the Prophet and then, later, That Prophet. Jesus Christ just wasn’t cutting it anymore.
It is ironic that Dave is teaching the brethren to anticipate Christmas Eve as the time when God will give them salvation. Wow. Dave was concerned about Christmas thirty years ago, and folks inside RCG are concerned about Christmas today. An apostasy then. And apostasy now.
And Dave is blind to it all. What the implications are. What it all really means. Are you RCG zealots looking forward to Christmas this year more than any other? Post it on social media and see how fast your field minister or the lady-minders jump on that.
If I were the devil, I would want everyone in God’s way to joyfully anticipate Christmas. I would want people to consider December 24/25 forever the most blessed day of their existence.
Santa really is a type of Christ. The pagans and the Catholics were right, after all.
@ 01:49I was extremely careful who I talked to because I knew I could be reported,so I had to move carefully to buy as much time as I could to help as many as I could.
RCG is a snitcher colony. The caution the brethren have to exercise is mounting. Who to trust and who to avoid. Say one wrong thing to the wrong person, and you are out. You cannot talk to your minister. You cannot talk to your brethren. Some are even worried about how to approach their spouse. It all has to be done with care. What an awful way to live. It has gotten much worse since I left.
The Bible is alive before their face, and they are afraid to talk about it. This is the current environment of RCG.
Brethren, you are not alone. There are more like you than the ministry wants you to think.
Later in the message, Dave revamped his fear tactics for those considering leaving.
@ 52:03 When I watch people just stand up and violently commit suicide and leave and go to the devil's world, I say, "Man, this is hard. What’s wrong with them?” They take hold of death with both hands earnestly, and they're sitting right here ready to go first. So, I mean, you do have to hold on. It's bad out there.
It’s worse in there.
Leaving RCG is equated to violent suicide. And something is wrong with them.
David C. Pack and the enablers at Headquarters, including the Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy, are what is wrong. Prophetic fraud. Doctrinal instability. Blasphemy. Confusion. Lies. Heresy. That is what is wrong with them, Dave. They can no longer stomach witnessing your poison. Their spirit is sore vexed.
God is making the truth so plain it cannot be denied. He is not a part of what RCG is doing. He is not a part of what David C. Pack is teaching. There is a growing spirit of darkness, and it is making people ill.
They do not want to leave. But they know they must. Fleeing is the only sane option.
@ 25:21 And I wish I had seen this. It would’ve been clearer because I’ve resolved everything, brethren. Everything.
No matter how resolved everything is, as December 9 approaches, so will the wiggle room.
Maybe now would be an uncomfortable time to bring this up.
Part 403 – November 6, 2022
@ 03:03 Every last bit of that picture was settled and still is settled. As I said last time, this framework can no longer change. It’s settled. We can trust all the scriptures that hold it in place.
The accordion plays a different tune each time Dave speaks. Something is settled. Then unsettled. Something is resolved, then unresolved. Something is simple but requires more clarity.
Your eyes and ears do not deceive you, folks. David C. Pack is not a man of his word.
@ 30:12 We're gonna go read a verse, and we’re gonna understand it correctly for the first time.
Dave is talking about the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12. In 2011, the 8-part sermon "The 1335 Days of the Son of Man" sold the idea to RCG members that they understood that correctly for the first time. I challenge current members to check in the Sermon Library of Member Services to see if you still have access to those messages. The answer is NO.
The point is: In 2011, Dave thought he had it all figured out. Eleven years later, he is pitching the same story using his biblical accordion to play you a tune you are paying dearly for.
But that is okay because salvation comes at sunset to start the 1335.
@ 45:35 Don’t go to dawn. It’s at evening. Or the Bible isn’t true.
Dave has been playing the Either/Or Game for years. He is correct, or the Bible is wrong. Or God is wrong. It cannot possibly be that he has no idea what he is talking about, God is not guiding him, and he is utterly unqualified to preach to anyone. That never seems to be considered.
@ 45:41 Or, you could still say, “Well, Mr. Pack, maybe you’re gonna come back in a few days and tell us that the 1335 is a second group ‘cause we thought maybe there were two Kingdoms in there.” Well, we’re gonna hafta dispel some things.
Dave is projecting internal criticisms manifested as external sources. He knows he will change his teaching in a few days or a few weeks because that is his custom. He is aware that the brethren are aware. Awkward…
They have good reason to doubt. He just taught that the 1335 did not apply to them after telling them they made it a few weeks earlier. The same accordion is playing the same sour notes.
@ 54:32 So, brethren, I’m pretty sure you all know how this is gonna end.
Ooh. Ooh. Pick me. Pick me. Me Me. Me.
Ahem. It is not gonna end well. David C. Pack is gonna fail again. December 9 will come and go with not so much as a sneeze, biblically speaking. There will be an update announcement just before the deadline to wish-away expectations and erase emphatic declarations that will only prove that Dave was right about knowing it was wrong.
It is gonna end with more headaches for the RCG ministry and more distress for the RCG brethren. It is gonna end with more exit letters. And more shame for the entire COG community.
It is gonna end with God’s name being further blasphemed. Dave better pray that God has more patience than Popeye.
Maybe I am just being a Negative Nancy. But Dave has a more optimistic view.
@ 54:37 So, relief and peace begins now. But, there’s actually more relief and peace to learn that continues Tuesday with a massive support proof and other fascinating things we will learn. I mean fascinating.
There is no relief and peace inside RCG. No relief and peace at Headquarters. No relief and peace inside the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium. No relief and peace for the field ministers. No relief and peace for the brethren.
That statement was the source of guffaws and snickers all over the world. The man is so out of touch with reality you could almost feel sorry for him. For me, that time has passed.
Just before the end, Dave threw a prophetic curveball that caught my ears regarding Part 407.
@ 57:01 Now, I’m gonna explain things like I’m rushing right now, but it is not the rushing of Habakkuk 2:2, which I’ve come to understand.
He has been droning about that verse for years. I cannot help but wonder if he FINALLY read my article from August covering that. If he teaches my explanation of what it really means, I will cry laughing. Pretty please, Dave. Use my reasoning so I can print it out and send it to my mom.
The biblical accordion will continue playing with a promised "avalanche" of "massive proof" that will end the Series on Tuesday. Fat chance. It is. It is not. It is. It is not.
Learning from “Weird Al” Yankovic did not go as well as he thought.
David C. Pack has become an accordion-playing parody of himself. And that is not funny.
It's another bright sunny day in California and another self-appointed and totally ignored prophet is moaning that no one listens to him. No, we aren't talking about our buddy the eminent theologian and the Great Bwana to Africa and 150 Caucasians. This time it is that OTHER self-appointed prophet, Tony Roach.
Like Bob Thiel, he bloviates on how amazing his knowledge is and the church is in need of such amazing truths. All of the COG self-appointed prophets must get their messages out of the same playbook. They all sound the same, though this crackpot is just slightly different than our esteemed Beto Bob.
He writes:
Just a quick note and I'll delete it after a day or so... I'm so sorry but I can't join any churches... Or like any churches... I'm an analyzer... I analyze everything... As you can see from my fruits of Bible Prophecy... It would take so much time to analyze these churches... I have not the resources... I would have to travel to them, meet the Pastors etc.... I can't follow any man... Whether it be a pastor, minister, preacher, whatever... Not after dealing one on one with God for 35 years... It would be an abomination to me... Now if I met a man that new the scriptures as well I do and He could show me How God is working through him as he works through me... I would love that... If I could just meet someone that believed every word as I do... I would love that... Yes in my 1400 friends there are a handful that I THINK believe some as I do... Fewer in the handful that I think believes everything I do... You can tell by the comments and likes on certain post I post... The new news as God is on the sun... The Date chart etc gets very little likes comments and shares, etc... The mysteries and secrets of God I was left behind to show you basically are ignored... The old news that's been floating around for decades get many comments, likes and shares... It would be amazing if I had as many likes and comments and Believers in God's secrets and mysterious ways as the ones that responded to my recent post "A blessing in Disguise"... A church or any organization that doesn't search the scriptures daily to prove these things are true I can't deal with... I hope you understand... I'm in no way saying I'm any better than anyone... But when it comes to God's Word I'm a stickler for details and proof... And can't sway any any way... I'm nothing... I'm No One... I'm the bottom of the barrel... But I have to follow my Lord... I can't follow any man... I'm so sorry... I don't mean to offend anyone or hurt anyone's feelings...
The bottom of the barrel is right! Just like all COG prophets end up being.
Now I've been rejected and my message and prophecy by all the pastors of the splinter groups of the WWCOG that I have contacted... So that tells me they don't search the scriptures daily to prove these things... Or they would see that they are true.... Now members of these churches have asked me to join or like them... But I can't follow or listen to a preacher that doesn't search the scriptures daily as I do and as we are told to do... And if it's a messianic or pagan assembly... NO Way because it shows me they don't believe like I do.. I generally unfriend them and sometimes block them for a few days before I unblock them... That's why I say if you don't believe me block me... I don't need 1400 nonbelievers... that don't care to open their Bible and see these things are true... I wish everyone could see the truth but it's already recorded it ain't gonna happen...
Roach ends with this montage of nuttiness. He has been all alone now since 2020 when a great harvest of souls were whisked away and left him behind.
It is just as the days of Noah... I don't even know anyone personally that believe as I do... I use to but since the Spring Harvest of Souls in 2020... They are gone... I keep the Holy days alone... I can't assemble on the Sabbath... There are no one to assemble here with where I live... That believes anything near as I do... Which I understand.... God warned me... There will be a lot of lonely days... But I chose His way... And I cannot change... I love each and everyone of you... I wish you would open your Bible... Don't just read it... Search it... Let God lead you as you do.. He'll show you one thing... If you do it... He'll show you something better... And each time you do it... You learn God's secrets and mysterious ways... You have to forget and ignore everything you've ever been taught by man and start fresh,,, with open eyes and a willing heart...
