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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Today is Tammuz 15 and Dave Pack wants to send everyone greetings from his weirdly designed upsidedown HQ building with its hydraulic-looking lifts on the top side of each corner to make the building look larger than it actually is...much like Dave's ministry. I always want to flip his building over so I can walk up the steps.
Anyway...
This is the day that Dave says the crap hits the fan with the beginning of the 1335 days.
In Jewish tradition, this day pictures five events relevant to Jewish history, one of which is the destruction of the temple.
Since Dave has set himself up as the one true end-time divine leader with his campus as so significant that Jesus will return to walk its hallowed grounds, and since Dave and all COG leaders claim the Bible was written for the end times, could this be the beginning of the destruction of the Wadsworth campus and Dave's empire? Is Dave's campus a latter-day symbol of the Temple? Just thinking like Dave does...
We can all be guaranteed that on Tammuz 16 not one damn thing will have happened to Dave, his campus, his church, and to his followers, other than experiencing yet another day of public humiliation. More excuses will surely hit the fan and be blown out into the universe for all to hear.
Never in the history of the Church of God movement have we seen such imbecilic predictions as we have been witnessing from our latest crop of self-appointed prophets. Every single one of them has been proven over and over to be liars. If they actually believed the Bible as they claim to and if members did the same, all of these guys should resign, shut down their churches, and members should walk out the door and never give another dime to them.
What the Bible says about all Church of God prophets
Deuteronomy 18:20 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”
Ezekiel 13:9
9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
Jeremiah 14:14 14 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
Jeremiah 23:16
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
Luke 6:26 26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
Matthew 24:24 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 16:11-12
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
II Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Acts 20:28-30
28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
II Peter 3:14-18
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
John 4:1-6 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Bobby Fischer was the Muhammad Ali of chess. He became the youngest person to ever win the US chess championship at the age of 14 and the only American-born player to ever win the World Chess Championship. But after defeating the Soviet Boris Spassky in 1972, Bobby Fischer never played another professional match for over thirty years. Instead, he became a recluse, preferring privacy over prize money. Not much is known about Bobby’s life after his 1972 win, but this episode premieres newly discovered tapes of Fischer, discussing his time in the Worldwide Church of God – the doomsday apocalyptic cult this series is devoted to.
In these tapes, which were made in Dec 1976 and Jan 1977, Bobby discusses his views on god, sex, and chess and, especially, how he came to resent Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted, the church’s leaders. These tapes provide a riveting snapshot of Bobby’s mental state during the time when he had essentially disappeared from public view and has great crossover appeal between those interested in cults and those interested in chess. The original tapes were about 5 hours long, and the best highlights are featured in this 30+ minute episode, which also features commentary from David Edmonds, co-author of Bobby Fischer Goes to War.
I would like to extend a special thank you to David Edmonds, Bill Hughes, and Dixon Cartwright for their commentary in this episode, and to Hughes and Margaret and Len Zola for speaking to me on background about these tapes.
If you would like to read the Ambassador Report interview with Bobby that is mentioned in this episode online, you can check it out here: Ambassador report: Bobby Fischer
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From the one and only Native American Germanic Gentile, who has been doubly blessed and almost arrested, the greatest prophet to ever live and current leader of the best COG to ever exist since the first century, is letting his mind be disturbed by women who walk seductively.
Women today often dress skimpily, provocatively, and walk SEDUCTIVELY (Isaiah 3:16) — deliberately inciting sexual lust in the male mind. Clean social life is thereby undermined at just about every turn. Even a lot of our music and dances today are SUGGESTIVE of sex. Finally, all too often one or the other mate succumbs to these pressures of the world and actually COMMITS adultery.
We have been watching lately as Dave Pack has set endless dates which have all failed to come to pass and now watch as he continues to claim he is Elijah the prophet.
In the fantasyland of the Church of God movement, we have seen scores of men and a couple of women down through the decades that have set themselves up as Elijahs and issued dire warnings to the church. Even today in 2022 we have at least five other Elijahs running around spewing their contemptible nonsense: Bob Thiel, Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, Alton Billingsly, and Wade Cox. Dave is not new to the list as he was already declaring this in 2015 and earlier, however, he has been way more vocal recently as he has been setting specific dates under that mantle.
The ExRCG website by Marc Cebrian has a new post up about a recent incident with Dave Pack as he was speaking to his dwindling faithful at his compound in Wadsworth, Ohio regarding his Elijahship and things go downhill rather fast.
One has to assume that he is under extreme pressure considering the rapid-fire failures are stacking higher each day.
Marc reports:
We are on the cusp of the 15th of Tammuz, which begins tonight at sundown. This “make or break” moment is of paramount importance to David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God.
You and I know what will happen during those 24-hours. Wednesday will transform into Thursday. And that is all. But David C. Pack does not know that yet.
There is either a lot of excitement or a lot of worry over at Headquarters today.
For me, I find it hard to believe that there can be much excitement left for RCG members who have set through these endless pronouncements and then sat there in their homes as Jesus failed to return.
Marc then goes on to report this:
During Part 381 given on the Sabbath of July 9, 2022, there was a very uncomfortable moment which occurred at the 56-minute point. All humor aside, watch it unfold.
I was shocked that this was distributed to the entire church because during my tenure in the Media Production Services Department, it would have not gone out. Okay, maybe. I would have pushed HARD for this one edit. Granted, at that time messages were actually edited and not rushed out “as delivered” which has both pluses and minuses. This was a big minus.
It is obvious those additional four hours of work are not as important any more. Hence, we get a moment like we just saw.
Oh the things we have cut out over the years…wow. But this is by the far the worst I have ever seen. It was a next-level moment that should never have left the room.
But they did release it and here we are.
How many other moments like this happen in the office only a few see?
It could just be that David C. Pack did not get enough sleep the night before. Or he did not drink enough water. Or maybe it is post-COVID “brain fog,” which many people experience.
The ministry in Wadsworth has to be asking themselves what is wrong with Dave. Deep down many of them know that Dave is wrong, yet they continue to stroke his back and continue to crowd around him clapping like happy seals.
Marc makes then makes this comment:
The stress and pressure he must feel day to day is tremendous. Each time he finds the answer in the Bible about when the Kingdom of God is going to arrive, he is later met with failure. Then, he has to go back to the drawing board to scour the Bible and find another answer to show how he was “correct about the picture but just got the timing wrong.”
He truly believes God has given him this assignment and that he is a real apostle. The weight on his shoulders grows as the years wear on while the frantic searching-and-explaining cycle never ends.
It never ends. It will never end. He just does not know that yet.
“I found it. No I didn’t. I found it. No I didn’t. I found it. No I didn’t.”
For decades now the COG movement has watched many Elijah's come and go, telling one enormous lie after another. Even today in 2022 they continue this foolishness, never learning from the past mistakes of previous Elijahs. These guys all get rather pissy that no one heeds their warnings. How can we? We have spent over 8 decades watching these fools blatantly lie and deceive the brethren. Like the previous Elijahs who are now dead, the remnant that are left in the COG in 10-20 years will see the present-day Elijahs also dead with nothing they predicted coming to pass.
All of these men, including today's batch, have serious mental health problems. Sadly these narcissistic and delusional men have not only done great mental and spiritual harm to their followers, but they may also end up causing great physical harm too. These men all need wellness checks!
If one thought the current issues going on in the Church of God International were getting absurd, with Bill Watson turning church services and his writings into a religious NewsMax, wait till you read about the Feast of Tabernacles! Ghastly days, Loma!
Bill Watson and his Medina Ohio CGI are holding their own Feast of Tabernacles just 24 minutes from the St Pete/Tampa Feast site of the CGI.
This year the CGI will be sponsoring for its second year, the Feast of Tabernacles in Clearwater, Florida. The Feast site will be at the "ocean front” Duval Ballroom, located at the Holiday Inn & Suites, Clearwater Beach. The address is, 521 Gulfview Blvd, Clearwater Beach––right on the ocean!!
Bill Watson Feast Co-ordinator
Imagine spending a Feast where you thought you were going to hear sermons about a wonderful world to come where humanity and nature are in communion with God and instead are subjected to 8 days of endless political rants masquerading as sermons. What a nightmare!
I wonder how many will then take the trip down the road to the other CGI Feast site in St Pete/Tampa?
Who in their right mind at CGI HQ thought this was a good idea? The COG movement is already in tatters with different factions holding services in the same cities, and sometimes the same building, and yet here we are with two different factions within the same church organization holding separate Feast sites!
It has just been confirmed today that the Great Tribulation will NOT begin before 2026! Woo Hoo! Party time!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is such a relief to know that the crap will not be hitting the fan, at least for a few more years. So enjoy life, at least all of you unrepentant exCOG members and Laodiceans who aren't part of the one true church.
God's most holy, righteous, and littlest prophet, who was dreamed into being before the foundations of the world began to be created, is back today letting us know that we have a few more years left, BUT, if you are not part of his group you will never know when the tribulation begins! Oh, noes!!!!!!!!
Those who believe and understand what the Bible actually teaches realize that the Great Tribulation cannot begin before 2026.
Jesus gave a variety of signs/events that had to happen prior to the start of the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24. Not only have many not happened, a preceding event in Daniel 9:27 involving the confirmation of a seven-year deal still has not happened. Since it did not happen as of yet, this means that it is not possible for the Great Tribulation to begin for at least 3 1/2 years (half of a biblically-prophetic week).
He next writes this:
People who claim to be COG, like Ronald Weinland and the late James Malm, have repeatedly been in error as to timing as they have looked to their own understanding instead of what the Bible teaches.
This is pretty rich coming from a man who is just as big a liar as these two are/were!
Apparently, the rest of the COG's and the world will not know when the end times hit...despite the widespread death and destruction the church has been wishing upon the world for decades.
The Great Tribulation is coming, but it will not begin in 2022.
That being said, please understand that the COGs associated with the Sardis and Laodicean churches cannot possibly know when the Great Tribulation will begin unless they change.
The Great Bwana even attacks the CG7 Denver as being ignorant of the end times.
CG7-Denver, for one example, believes that most events in the Book of Revelation have already been fulfilled, so they are not officially looking for it. And the Laodicean churches have added extra, non-biblical events/requirements to precede the Great Tribulation, that are not necessary and hence those who believe them will NOT believe that the Great Tribulation will start until it is too late (see also The Laodicean Church Era).
CG7 Denver has a more successful ministry than Bob can ever dream of and has touched more lives than he ever will.
Then, in typical COG fashion, he goes on to list 51 points as to why everyone is wrong but him. Why is it that COG ministers feel the need to publish endless numbered lists and bullet points every time they speak? Even with his 51 points, he still can not stay on topic and bounces all over the place. On top of that, it is a list of 51 accusations he accuses other COG groups of not doing. Apparently, no one in the entire COG does anything right except for him.
Bwana Bob still is suffering major butt hurt with Living Church of God and United Church of God spewing him out and rejecting his corrections he lobed at both of them:
Yet, it should be noted that leaders in the Living Church of Godand/or the United Church of God have confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on basically all the above points, despite the fact that their respective churches hold to several of the errors pointed out above. Those who rely too much on a compromised ministry (Ezekiel 34:7-10) to teach them prophecy that is not truly in accordance with scripture need to realize that according to Jesus’ words in Revelation 2 & 3 and Luke 21, only relatively few Christians will be protected from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world.
The entire COG movement has rejected Bwana Bob and that just frosts his self-righteous butt to no end.
Ever since “The Greatest Story Never Told! (Part 8)” given on December 12, 2015, David C. Pack has made it a doctrine of The Restored Church of God that “That Prophet” of Deuteronomy 18:18 and Acts 3:23 is Elijah the Prophet, not Jesus Christ as taught by Herbert W. Armstrong of The Worldwide Church of God. That had been a “bedrock” understanding about Jesus Christ for decades.
Being that David C. Pack had declared himself to be Elijah the Prophet eleven months earlier made this new teaching all the more convenient for him to be greater in importance to God than ever before. He was in the Bible more than he previously thought. It was the beginning of the floodgates opening.
Part 8 @ 06:49 Who is That Prophet of Deuteronomy 18? Two great questions immediately come up. Is he Christ or is he a man? And when is his commission carried out? Is he God or man? And when does he do what he’s supposed to do? Big question. Well, let’s go read in Acts 3, what it says. I’m gonna answer it in a way that is impossible to misunderstand.
And yet, Dave misunderstood it for the remaining 1 hour and 50 minutes. Then has continued to misunderstand for the next 6 years and 8 months…plus.
That logic never made sense to me because Jesus Christ was a man. If Dave was denying He was a man, then he is denying that God came in the flesh. Dave never went “all the way” there, but when he would dip his toes into that pool, I got incredibly uncomfortable.
It would have been such a simple question at the time, “Mr. Pack, isn’t Jesus Christ a man?” I guess either no minister at Headquarters asked him or he just “explained it away” without considering fully what he was saying.
This is a clip later in the message where he stated flatly that Elijah was That Prophet. See Audio: Part 8 Elijah That Prophet at end of this article.
This “new doctrine” took a sledgehammer to my spiritual foundation and rocked where I was as a Christian and what The Restored Church of God was doing as the place I had been “giving all” to. His “Ah shucks, it had to be someone” comments did not soften the cut I felt when I first heard this teaching.
This was the sermon that kept me tossing and turning three nights in a row. I had never been so spiritually disturbed. That teaching was wrong and not of God. I knew that.
But on the other hand, I was in God’s one true church. Mr. Pack was the one God chose to lead the Work of God until Jesus Christ returns.
I wondered:
How is it possible that Mr. Pack could be so utterly wrong about something so utterly important? It’s all throughout our literature. It’s in The World to Come broadcasts. Mr. Pack wrote an entire book about it to prove that Gerald Flurry of The Philadelphia Church of God was a false prophet. It is a title only for Jesus Christ. Acts 3 makes it so clear. And yet…
It was a surreal time. I did not hear anyone else make a comment about it. All the ministers were acting like “business as usual.” Co-workers did not seem to be in a haze of shock.
I must be the only one at Headquarters that has a problem with this. Maybe I’m not as close to God as I thought. Maybe I am not of the wise because “the wicked shall not understand.” Maybe I’m a tare. Maybe I don’t have enough faith. Maybe I don’t have God’s Spirit after all. Maybe the devil is tricking me. I better counsel with the ministry.
On that Wednesday morning, I counseled with the Headquarters Pastor at the time who was training another man I liked very much. They spent the next 90 minutes showing me from the Bible how Mr. Pack was correct in his teachings and I was just not looking at it the right way, but that is okay because it is a minister’s job to help guide the brethren.
I was a sheep and the two shepherds were going to help keep me from wandering off.
I came with my Bible, but also with Mr. Pack’s own literature. I only had the heart to read a few “mild” quotes from it. “That book is old understanding,” the minister said. I have to stay current with what God is revealing to His apostle now. It is part of a Christian’s journey. This is why Christianity is hard.
By the end of the session, they got me to see it their way. I hugged both of them, feeling relieved. But the moment I started walking down the hallway, the “wait a minute” questions started to pop in my head. “What about…” and “What about…” all the way to my truck in the parking lot. By the time I opened the door, I was already back to, “No. That’s not right. No way. Jesus Christ is That Prophet.” I could not shake it.
At this point, I was determined to do a deep study in my Bible when I got home. This was against the advice of the minister. He told me to “trust God’s government” and “do not study this any more.”
But, I knew I had to “Prove all things, hold fast that which is good.” That was a foundational verse for my entire Christian journey. I spent weeks going through my Bible and the RCG literature (before it was removed from every nook and cranny at Headquarters). I was driven to prove what was true. My intent was not to prove Mr. Pack wrong. But that did become the ultimate conclusion.
After much study, I proved it all the more powerfully that Jesus Christ is That Prophet. I still have those notes. At this point, I just had to “endure” the stab in my gut whenever Mr. Pack would bring it up. I began to listen to him more carefully than in the past and really hear what he is saying and how he is saying it.
If he is so wildly wrong about this teaching, what else is he wrong about?
The seed was planted. I became a David C. Pack skeptic. I never believed he was an apostle anyhow, I just “accepted” everyone said it. But this new way of thinking grew. I was deeply interested in critical thinking, prosecuting the truth, proving all things, and letting the Bible prove the Bible.
Eventually, I resigned from The Restored Church of God in March of 2021. And now I have a website. That has been an odd journey.
Due to all the whoppers Dave laid out in Part 381 this past Sabbath, something huge escaped my attention, which is probably fine since that article was more than long enough already.
There is a new big question on the table: Who is That Prophet now?
Follow the logic:
Jesus Christ was That Prophet Dave Pack becomes Elijah the Prophet That Prophet is actually Elijah the Prophet Dave Pack is then Elijah That Prophet Dave Pack now is NOT Elijah the Prophet Dave Pack cannot be That Prophet Ancient Elijah is still dead and cannot be That Prophet Who is That Prophet now? Dave throws a dart on his open Bible
Based on what was just declared on July 9, David C. Pack HAS to also do a major reversal on who That Prophet is. If Dave is not Elijah the Prophet, then he cannot be That Prophet. Since the ancient Elijah the Prophet is now one of the Two Witnesses who will need to be resurrected before he can start his commission, he cannot be That Prophet either. Can he?
Dave may squint and turn his head sideways at Deuteronomy 18 to make that also be about the Two Witnesses of Revelation, but since the word there is prophet—singular, he will really need to pull off some world-class Biblical Twister to sell that, even to Brad.
Here’s an idea. I have already declared I am a non-prophet/non-psychic, but allow me for a moment to channel Dave’s warped thinking into my brain. THUNK. Do not try this is at home. It is for demonstration purposes only.
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deuteronomy 18:18-19
If I were Desperate Dave running on the hamster wheel in the third floor Executive Imaginarium with The Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy manning the projector, here is how I would do it:
First, look up each and every word in Strong’s Concordance. Then, remove all the words that those awful, incompetent translators added in to “cloud” what God was really saying. Read all the various other translations. Then examine what is being said and who it is being said to.
Eureka! I have the answer.
God was talking to Moses. God is telling him He is going to resurrect another prophet like him. That other prophet is Elijah. God was telling Moses that he was going to get a partner named Elijah. Since Elijah and Moses will be the Two Witnesses, they are like each other. Plus, Elijah was a great speaker and Moses was not, so logically, Elijah would be “the chief” of the two. Elijah is a type of Aaron going before Pharaoh, so of course what HE says will carry consequences to those who do not heed.
It makes perfect sense that God hid this in His word until the very end, right there in the Old Testament and we never saw it because it wasn’t time yet. No minister I ever talked to or even heard about ever read that verse and said That Prophet of Acts 3 was going to be working with Moses and that the Two Witnesses are right there in Deuteronomy 18. It’s impossible to misunderstand. Once you see it for what it is. This is the most electrifying knowledge I have ever been privileged to teach in my fifty-some-odd years of preaching. And you are the very first who get to hear it. Because you held on, brethren.
Yikes. I just wrote that. That is not a Dave quote, just in case you were wondering.
The long-standing Acts 3 distortion would still be in play regarding Elijah. Forget the fact Peter keeps bringing up Jesus Christ from beginning to the end of that chapter. Peter was just a fisherman, so what did he know? Dave has no problem repeating, “Peter got it wrong” anyhow.
Seriously, if Dave uses this angle to teach it to the church, that would be incredible. And he would owe me sixty bucks.
Could you imagine? God’s Apostle, who is also here “in the spirit and power of Elijah” draws the same conclusion as an antichrist? Except, I got here first. For the record, I found this answer inside 30 second just before noon on Monday, July 11, 2022.
If God reveals to Dave the same information I just found sitting with my laptop on my couch, what would that say about me from a biblical perspective? That is not a question for you or for me. That would be a question for Dave. We’ll jump off that bridge when we get to it.
Or…and I hope this is truly the case, Dave goes the other way and he announces that Jesus Christ really really really is That Prophet of Deuteronomy 18 and Acts 3 after all. They can take all that literature out of the trash bin and put it back onto the shelf.
I would feel very comfortable with that because it would be true.
But if he does this, it will yet be another reversal of a foundational teaching of The Restored Church of God that has been held on to for almost seven years. Talk about shaking the tree again with that one.
He surely won’t spend 1 hour and 57 minutes explaining how he is NOT That Prophet and that Jesus Christ is. I’m curious to see how much energy he actually devotes to dismantling his own erroneous teaching.
If Dave went this route and returned to “Jesus Christ is That Prophet” just as I asserted back in 2015, then I could imagine the counseling that Bradford G. Schleifer would give as I sat in his office.
“Well Marc, you didn’t exercise enough patience. You answered the matter before you heard it. See, God sorted it out just like Mr. Armstrong always used to say. You didn’t trust God’s government, His Church, His ministers, or me. You didn’t believe Mr. Pack was God’s apostle and this is the result. If only you had held on just a little longer…”
