Dave Pack: Exploiting Common

 

Exploiting Common

David C. Pack tantalized the brethren of The Restored Church of God about the wonderful, mind-blowing things the church COULD do after they got out of debt. This spiritual-guilt tactic gnaws at some brethren withholding Common because if they gave, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God COULD be preached to the entire world with clarity and power.

Part 501 – March 30, 2024
@ 1:47:21 'Cause we could we could drop an atomic bomb on the world.

Part 507 – April 16, 2024
@ 1:17:28 And we're in a position where we can make a lotta noise. We could rattle some teacups in China.

But they won’t.

David C. Pack exploited widows and the dead to get his hands on their money. He exploited the Gospel by promising to preach it “very, very loud,” but now that The Restored Church of God is out of debt, subtlety is the game plan instead of blowing a trumpet.

Part 507 – April 16, 2024
@1:17:40 But there's a giant problem with that. You're directly fighting prophecy, and you're subverting it. Christ comes as a thief.

Part 568 – April 5, 2025
@ 06:22 You’ll be surprised. You’d be you’d be amazed at what we could do. But there not a one of us in this room that wants to do that. And we could almost directly fighting a prophecy where the Work ends in a day of small things.

Oh, well. At least the debt is still gone for the benefit of…reasons.

Pastor General David C. Pack orchestrated the debt removal by exploiting the “sell all that you have” Common Doctrine. It is an artificial manipulation of New Testament Bible verses that applies undue influence upon RCG brethren through theological coercion to extract millions of dollars from them.

The Kingdom of God has not yet arrived, but financial freedom has come to The Restored Church of God and the Pack horses.

Due to the empty sacrifices of two widows and twenty-one other Headquarters congregation members, the 501(c)(3) nonprofit religious organization offloaded $3,115,200 in Campus properties, garnering a $1,124,300 sales profit.

Common built and expanded the Headquarters Campus in Wadsworth, Ohio. Common built the seven private homes nestled in the center of the Campus on Eagle Point. Common got David C. Pack out of balance sheet hot water and The Restored Church of God out of debt.

Despite RCG escaping corporate debt, the brethren of The Restored Church of God are still paying for the houses, and not just by the Headquarters employees living in them. The hard-earned wages of field members continue to support houses along Akron Road and Hartman Road in Wadsworth, Ohio.

The money cycle of life grows.

Pay Gaps Narrow

While pushing for more Common as the malarkey sand passed through the prophetic hourglass, David C. Pack assured members neither he nor the church would benefit from their faithful 11^th-hour financial Hail Mary.

Part 536 – September 18, 2024
@ 32:38 I don’t get your money. I don’t get a pay raise.*

“The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 536)” on September 18, 2024, is the most recent full Common sermon. David C. Pack pressured the entire church to pay Common before Jesus Christ was to return on the Feast of Trumpets. He preached the “sell all” message not for his sake, but for theirs.

@ 44:50 The best you can do if you sell all the best you can do is save yourself. You can no longer benefit God's Work. It's too late.

@ 45:34 I hate to put it that way, but I’m here trying to save your life. There’s no way we’re going to benefit.

@ 50:39 Keeping a home where you can draw out of it, probably too late to do that now, but where you can draw from it and give it to the church and never hafta pay it off till you’re dead. That, I mean, they have these reverse mortgages or all kinds of things that can be to for those who are serious.

If time was seriously running out, what was the point of giving brethren ideas for extracting more assets to surrender?

The answer is the same for why David C. Pack mentions Common a few days before the Kingdom of God arrives to change everything.

He does not believe it. David C. Pack does not believe his own teachings.

@ 1:06:04 If I lost my reward over telling you that, good. I don’t care. Because if it inspires you to go out and have the faith to pull the trigger and potentially save your life. You will not benefit us. But you’ll benefit yourself. I urge you to do it.

He urged brethren to do it, and some senselessly did. Jesus Christ did not return on October 1, 2024, but The Restored Church of God wound up financially benefiting less than a year later.

Funny how those things work out.

With the debt load rapidly dwindling because David C. Pack approached Headquarters congregation members and employees about buying a few million dollars’ worth of their corporate debt, his announced magnanimous generosity later proved to be a little self-serving once you place the pieces together.

Part 565 – March 22, 2025
@ 1:15:03 If time went on, I’ve promised that on May 1^st, the staff will get a sal-ah will get a pay raise, the likes of which they won't believe until they see it.

Part 568 – April 5, 2025
@ 01:33 And to be able to do that and to give large raises and schedule more, if we had to go on.

More raises will be coming because time will absolutely go on. RCG employees are overworked and underpaid. They deserve their raises. It is just funny how the timing of it all works out.

RCG employees who just bought RCG’s houses
received a pay increase right after that.

That is probably just a coincidence.

RCG’s Revised Debt Cycle Summary

1–Members gave David C. Pack their money to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

2–Instead, David C. Pack used the members’ money to secure bank loans to buy houses, upgrade, and maintain them.

3–David C. Pack asked members to move into those houses and charged them rent. Members paid rent to RCG on houses that were bought with their money.

4–Years later, David C. Pack asked members to buy the houses he bought with their money after they had been paying rent on them.

5–The Restored Church of God escaped corporate debt by putting members into debt while profiting $1.1 million from the increased home values.

6–David C. Pack takes money from the brethren and gives Headquarters employees pay raises so that they can afford to buy houses from the church. One homeowner is not a current RCG employee.

7-Now out of corporate debt, RCG “could” do a big Work, but doing so fights God’s purpose. They will still preach the Gospel, but just quietly.

8–David C. Pack has taught 125 failed dates for the arrival of Jesus Christ, and The Kingdom of God has not arrived, but 1,300 members continue to pay RCG tithes, offerings, and Common.

In effect, the Restored Church of God brethren still pay for the houses they already bought the first time. The sucking up of their money and critical thinking will never end because “The Greatest Untold Story!” Series will never end.

The No Benefit Benefits

If I could get a hold of Carl Houk on the Bat Phone, I would ask him if Dave also personally benefited from members giving Common after he preached Jesus Christ was about to return. Dave gave adamant assurances neither he nor RCG would gain from the frantic donations.

I am also curious how a 501(c)(3) nonprofit religious organization utilizing eternal-consequence scare tactics is not meeting the legal definition of causing undue influence and coercion, thus threatening their tax-exempt status while also being morally unethical.

Carl, Brad has my number. You may also write your clarification to exrcgwebsite@gmail.com.

Part 536 – September 18, 2024
@ 32:38 I don’t get your money. I don’t get a pay raise.*

The critical caveat to that asterisk came 33 minutes later.

@ 1:05:46 I will never take another raise again until the brethren can.

Part 565 – March 22, 2025
@ 1:15:03 If time went on, I’ve promised that on May 1^st, the staff …will get a pay raise the likes of which they won’t believe until they see it.

Based directly on his authorization, Restored Church of God employees received raises on May 1, 2025. Did David C. Pack also “get a pay raise the likes of which they won’t believe” too?

Whether that is self-serving or merely unflattering optics, it is one more Common thing to chew on.

With a loud prophetic clock looming over his shoulder, David C. Pack is a religious time-share salesman using manipulative mind games to siphon resources from members of The Restored Church of God.

This fantastic offer expires in a few minutes, and you must act now or you could lose out on being a part of the biggest, most world-shaking operation God has performed in the last 2,000 years. It would be a shame to let the opportunity of an eternal lifetime slip through your fingers because you lacked faith and hesitated. Remember Lot’s wife. Don’t choose the salt like she did.

David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar, false prophet, false apostle, and biblical fraud. The Common doctrine is just another confidence game to support RCG’s bait-and-switcheroo, sold with false notions that he or the church would not benefit because time was running out.

Only the foolishly ignorant and willfully blind in RCG believed that even for a moment.

But hey, for members hoping to own an authentic piece of Armstrongism church history, The Restored Church of God still has two residential Campus properties available for purchase. Make Headquarters an offer today! One of those real estate gems is the $500,000 Eyesore, and the other has the barn that literally "holds his horses."

Unless Dave gets desperate, he will be stuck with both of them until the vanishing point. No need to act fast, folks.

With no more Campus debt and generous pay raises in Wadsworth, the Work must go on inside the Restored Church of God. The brethren must still pay their tithes, offerings, and Common so the Headquarters employees can busy their lives away preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God quietly and in private. At least the secret chambers will be getting new carpet.

The Restored Church of God may be free from corporate debt, but they are still a spiritually bankrupt organization.

This is Part 4 of David C. Pack’s “The Greatest Untold Debt Story!”

Marc Cebrian

See: Exploiting Common

Ai COG: Fear Religion? "We don't preach fear... trust me." -GTA

 

The WCG’s Fear Factory: A Family Business

Garner Ted Armstrong, heir to the Worldwide Church of God throne, had a knack for sounding pious while the cult he helped run did the opposite. In a 1974 piece, he decried "fear religion," claiming most faiths are built on terror—fear of death, spiritual retribution, or eternal hellfire. He painted a vivid picture: childhood nightmares of goblins and haunted hospitals, Eastern religions with beds of nails, and even mainstream Christianity with its fiery infernos. The cult, he implied, was different. God, he said, isn’t about terror but a loving "fear"—like a kid respecting a kind dad, an "awesome awareness" of divine power, not dread. Sounds sweet, doesn’t it? Too bad it’s a load of garbage.

Here’s the truth: the WCG was a fear factory, and the Armstrong family ran the assembly line. They preached a loving God while keeping members in a chokehold of terror—end-times prophecies that never came true, legalistic rules that crushed joy, and the constant threat of being cast out if you stepped out of line.

Painting the Strawman: Everyone Else’s Fear

The article starts with a parade of horrors—childhood fears of the dark, fairy tales about trolls, and grisly nightmares of haunted hospitals with bloody corpses. GTA then pivots to religion: Eastern practices like self-inflicted pain, infant sacrifice, and body mutilation, all driven by fear of spiritual consequences. He doesn’t stop there—mainstream Christianity gets a jab too, with its "ever-burning hell" tormenting souls for eternity. Fear, he says, drives people to extremes, from hiding in wilderness caves to making life-and-death decisions in a panic. It’s a powerful force, he admits, but not what God wants. The Bible, he claims, isn’t a book of fear; God desires love, not torment, citing verses like “perfect love casteth out fear” (1 John 4:18).

This is classic WCG misdirection. By painting other religions as fear-driven nightmares, GTA sets up a strawman to make Armstrongism look pure. Beds of nails? Infant sacrifice? Hellfire? Sure, those sound awful—but they’re not the WCG’s problem, right? Wrong. The cult was just as fear-obsessed, only sneakier. They didn’t need fiery pits; they had the Great Tribulation, a doomsday prediction that kept members on edge for decades. Failed prophecies—like the 1972 Tribulation that never came—didn’t stop the WCG from preaching imminent disaster, urging members to stockpile supplies and flee to Petra when the end came. That’s not love—that’s terror, the exact kind GTA pretends to reject. The hypocrisy stinks worse than a splinter group’s sermon on tithing.

The WCG’s Fear: Same Game, Different Name

GTA tries to thread the needle with a “right kind of fear.” He quotes Deuteronomy 5:29—God wants His people to “fear” Him, but like a child fears a loving father, not a tyrant. It’s an “awesome awareness” of God’s power, a respect that keeps you from evil, not a terror that paralyzes. He leans on Proverbs 14:26 and Psalms 103:11-13 to drive it home: fear God, and you’ll find confidence and mercy, not dread. Sinners, though, should be scared—Hebrews 10:27 warns of a “fearful looking for of judgment” for the unrepentant. But for the faithful, GTA says, there’s no fear in love; God gives “power, love, and a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7), not a spirit of fear.

Sounds nice—until you see what the WCG actually did. The cult’s “right kind of fear” was a sham, a rebranded terror to keep members in line. They preached God’s love while enforcing a legalistic nightmare: Saturday Sabbath, dietary laws, festival-keeping, all mandatory, or you’d be cut off from God. Break a rule—like eating pork—and you were as good as damned, facing the Tribulation without the cult’s protection. Members lived in constant anxiety, scrutinized for every move, from what they ate to how much they tithed, leaving families broke while the Armstrongs lived like royalty. That’s not an “awesome awareness”; that’s a fear-driven cage, the same kind GTA accuses other religions of building. The cult just swapped hellfire for the Tribulation, and beds of nails for triple tithes. Same game, different name.

Fear in the Cult’s DNA: Control, Not Love

The WCG didn’t just use fear—they weaponized it. GTA talks about the “wrong kind of fear”—fear of man, failure, ridicule, or physical harm—driving everything from crime to social climbing. He quotes Hebrews 13:5-6: God won’t forsake you, so don’t fear what man can do. But the cult thrived on fear of man, specifically fear of its leaders. Question a small point of doctrine? You’re out. Didn’t drop an offering into the collection plate on a holy day? You’re unfaithful. Step out of line, and you’d be disfellowshipped, cut off from family and community, left to face the end times alone. That’s not divine awe—that’s human control, the exact fear GTA claims to reject.

He even brings up Jesus’ day, pointing to the Pharisees’ “fear religion” that kept people in line—parents too scared to celebrate their son’s healing (John 9:22), Nicodemus sneaking to Jesus at night (John 3:1-2), disciples hiding from the Jews (John 20:19). Jesus, GTA says, came to free us from this, preaching a message of faith, not terror: “Fear not, little flock” (Luke 12:32). But the WCG was the Pharisees 2.0, using fear to crush dissent while pretending to offer freedom. Members lived in terror of the cult’s judgment, not God’s—a far cry from the “calm, reassuring faith” GTA claims Jesus taught. The Armstrongs built their empire on the same fear they condemned, all while pocketing millions from scared followers.

The Fruits of the WCG’s Fear: A Legacy of Broken Lives

GTA ends with a flourish, claiming Jesus came to free us from fear religions that “lade men with burdens
grievous to be borne,” quoting Isaiah 29:13 to say fear of God taught by men is empty. But the WCG’s fruits tell a different story. Members were burdened with rules, guilt, and end-times panic, driven to give everything to a cult that offered nothing but control. Families went broke paying tithes while the Armstrongs flew private jets. The constant fear of the Tribulation—always just around the corner—kept members on edge, some even fleeing to remote hideouts, exactly the kind of fear-driven behavior GTA mocks in other religions.

This hypocrisy mirrors what we’ve exposed before: the WCG preached against paganism while inventing their own myths, and now they preached against fear while wielding it like a weapon. The result? Broken lives, shattered faith, and, as we’ve seen, a pipeline to atheism for those who escaped. The cult didn’t free anyone from fear—it just redirected it, turning God into a boogeyman to enforce compliance. That’s not love; that’s a con, and GTA’s pious words can’t hide it.

The WCG’s claim to reject "fear religion" is their biggest lie yet. They didn’t cast out fear—they repackaged it, using end-times terror, legalistic rules, and threats of disfellowshipment to keep members in line, all while GTA and his family lived like kings off their tithes. The “right kind of fear” was just control with a halo, a way to make their fear factory look holy. Splinterland, you’ve been sold a bill of goods. Ditch the cult’s lies and see God for what He is—not a tyrant to dread, but a Father who loves. The WCG didn’t free you from fear—they built a prison of it. Break out, and leave their con behind.

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How to Deal with Disgruntled Church Members / Biblically

Part Ways with Them

When dealing with disgruntled members, what happens if none of the proposals above work? What happens if members pray for the disgruntled members, reach out to them and seek to listen to them and understand the root of their dissatisfaction, find relevant solutions and extend forgiveness, but to no avail?

In fact, this is very likely. One would hope that disgruntled members will eventually stop being disgruntled and be reconciled to the church, but with all human and heavenly efforts combine, there is no such guarantee.

This issue can be brought to a Board meeting or a Members meeting. As a united body, the church will be called upon to decide what to do about the disgruntled member, still humbly seeking a mutual settlement of the matter and reconciliation.

Unfortunately, if this final measure is unsuccessful, the church must be prepared to let this member go, treating them as a “publican or a heathen. If all reasonable efforts are made to resolve the matter, but with no success, then the disgruntled member may have to be asked to renounce his/her membership in the church.

 The truth is there may be members who are disgruntled about foundational doctrines of the church, which evidently cannot be adjusted to suit their whims and fancy.

Similarly, some may have personal vendettas that they refuse to release, so for the greater good of the church body, they may have to be seen as an unbeliever and, therefore, no longer a member of the body. Leaders who understand human nature and the power of the evil and negativity from this one disgruntled member to spread within the entire body of believers and shake the church’s very foundation must be prepared to take a stand.

The Eternal Dance: Armstrongism in Contention with Nicene Christianity

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The Eternal Dance

Armstrongism in Contention with Nicene Christianity

By Scout

“Except for the point, the still point, there would be no dance,

and there is only the dance.”  T.S. Eliot, from “Burnt Norton”

 

Dance is my analogy for the relationships between the God Persons in the Trinity.  Everything that we say about God is an analogy.   We know only the created realm and he dwells in the uncreated realm.  When we think of him or describe him, we use the earthbound categories that we know.  We talk only in symbols, in metaphors.  The whole of creation is his poem.  He is not just the tribal God of the ancient Hebrews. He is the sovereign uncaused first cause of the reality that we know.

I am going to briefly examine some of the conclusions concerning the Doctrine of God drawn by the early church around the time of the Council of Nicaea and a few centuries thereafter.  I am going to compare these conclusions to the classical Armstrongist Doctrine of God. In this essay, as I speak about God, I am limited to analogical language and I understand that. In accord with Analogia Entis, it is the most that I or any of us can attain to.   I will start with co-equality.  

What Trinitarian Co-Equality is Not 

I used to think that God in his divine nature was comprised of three identical persons joined together in some essential way.  And at some point, the three in conclave decided that one would be Father, one would be Son and one would be Holy Spirit.  But since they were all identical, this organization was simply a matter of arbitrary election.  So, the Father Person could have been the Son Person and the Son Person could have been the Father Person, for instance, and that alternate arrangement would have been just as valid as the present arrangement.  My naïve model of these divine interpersonal connections is not the model advanced by Nicene Christianity. 

Father, Son and Holy Spirit

The Nicene Model is that the Father eternally generates (begets, Greek “monogenes”) the Son (John 3:16) and the Holy Spirit proceeds (John 15:26) from the Father.  A post-Nicene modification, originating in Spain, added “and the Son” so that the Holy Spirit was asserted to proceed from the Father and the Son (John 15:26).  This addition is what separated Eastern Christianity from Western Christianity.  The point is that the Divine Persons are not undifferentiated.  They are not equal in the sense of being exhaustively identical.  They are equal in ontology (existential essence).  But differ in interpersonal relationship and economy (role, activity).  

The brothers back then had to look at the data and come to a conclusion. Arius was insufferable. Arius elevated the transcendence of the one God (1 Cor 8:6) and correspondingly diminished Jesus. Constantine wanted everyone to speak the same thing.  It hardly mattered what it was.  The brothers knew that God was eternal and unchanging (Malachi 3:6).  And whatever “beget” meant, it did not mean that eternal Jesus (Hebrews 7:3) was created like the Arians asserted. So, they concluded that Jesus had been generated by God from eternity.  God always was and Jesus always was by divine nature.  And that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son eternally.  So, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three beings that are indistinguishably the same.  They are different in that they naturally and eternally exist in a community defined by different interpersonal relationships.  “Father” is not just a moniker.  The designation is based on the fact of begettal.  They are together one essence and one God but have different economies.  The Nicene view resonated well with the Biblical data concerning divine personhood, ontology, Monotheism and economy.  

The Nicene Model may seem awkward.  But is not because the Bible is a spurious document and Christianity is a spurious ideology as atheists would claim.  It is because human language and categories are not adequate to the task.  Yet, we should resist the temptation to tame all this complexity by imposing human simplicity on it.   That is what classical Armstrongism has done and I will turn there next. 

Family By Itself Means Bitheism

The first WCG minister that ever visited with me was a pastor of the local WCG congregation.  A few years after we talked, he left the WCG and started a Unitarian denomination.  He was regarded by the WCG as a rebel and a heretic.  But, actually, he was a reactionary.  he went back to the early roots of the Armstrongist denomination.  The first leader of the Church of God Seventh Day was Gilbert Cranmer and Cranmer was a Unitarian.  The Church of God Seventh Day was Arian like the earlier Adventists. Unitarianism and Arianism had a profound, nontrinitarian influence on the formation of WCG theology.  And a theme that runs through Unitarianism and Arianism is the subordination of Jesus in his capabilities and his scope.  

Armstrongism is not just Trinitarianism with the subtraction of the Holy Spirit to form a Binitarian theology.  Armstrongism asserts a different kind of relationship between the Father and the Son.  Armstrongist belief is that the Father and the Son form an expandable family to which other sons will be added through the salvation of Christians.  But the family model is based in the biological human family where each member of the family is a separate person.  Any connection between members is only matter of agreement in viewpoint and is not ontological.  In the Armstrongist family model, the Father does not eternally generate the Son and the Holy Spirit is like an energy of God and not a personal being. Armstrongism claims Monotheism in the sense that God is one family.  This assertion is internally inconsistent because the family relationship does not provide for the unity of persons at the level of essence.  God may be like a family but that is not the full picture.  Family is a weak and limited analogy. The Trinity transcends family because of its special unifying relations as already described.  

Armstrongism is actually a form of polytheism.  The subcategory of polytheism involving two gods is referred to as Bitheism.  Armstrongism is not Binitarian because it proposes no concept of unity at the level of essence among the God Persons. Binitarianism is a form of Monotheism and Armstrongism is not Monotheistic.  Further, Armstrongism proposes that one day there will be millions of gods who are god-as-god-is-god. 

So Armstrongism took a step forward by declaring that Jesus is God and abandoned its Arian roots in the Church of God Seventh-Day.  But it took a step backward into polytheism by proposing that the unity in the God Persons is only the family relationship modeled on human biological connections.  Family just doesn’t cut it.  

In the Last Analysis: My Two Cents

What difference does it make?  If we must deal in analogies, can we say that one analogy is better than another?  Maybe, at the end of the day, the Arian Model is just as good as the Nicene Model because they’re both just analogies for something that transcends our understanding.  While that reasoning has an appeal, it is not the whole story.  There is a pattern.  The Anti-trinitarians are typically one-off, likely small, religious groups that harbor many other beliefs that are a departure from orthodoxy.  They emphasize works and they have a diminished view of Jesus and the grace he brought to us.  Any organization that systematically downplays the role of Jesus is not going to lead anyone to a good outcome.  Not only is the Nicene Model a better fit to the Biblical data, something we should value, it tends to not co-reside with odd beliefs.

 

 

Crackpot Prophet Goes Wackadoodle Over New Pope Who Could Be The One, But Maybe Not, But Maybe...Possibly

Where would the Church of God be without all of its crazy self-appointed and illegitimately ordained weirdos that latch on to every conspiracy theory or legend out there? From Catholic visions of Fatima, Nostradamus, Malaky, Gary North, and every other crackpot weirdo on late-night AM radio stations, they have all found a following in Armstrongism. The weirder it is, the better it spreads through the church.

No one takes this to the extreme more than our illustrious, illegitimately ordained, and self-appointed prophet to the church, the Great Bwana Bob Thiel. The Great Bwana, though a day late, is not letting the new Pope get by his conspiracy-laden mind.

He has already updated his poorly researched book on the new pope, but all he has done is change a few names from previous popes mentioned to update it to Pope Leo. As usual with all of Bwana Bob's books and articles, it is filled with all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories. It is an entire book about "one wonders", "maybes", "could be's," and "possibly," as you would expect from a false prophet who is too big of a coward to really take a stand. Besides, when he talks about all of the "maybes" and "could be's" it is his easy out by never being held accountable for lying to his followers and the public.

Leo XIV will be ecumenical. And, because of the Augustine Order connection, militant in some ways. 

It just frost the Great Bwana's butt that churches might just get along, unlike the Churches of God who refuse to. 

Next, the Great Bwana starts to go whack-a-doodle: 

Because of the timing of his papal election, Pope Leo XIV could possibly fulfill biblical prophecies about a particular False Prophet, the final Antichrist. 

 

But we will need to see if he ends up doing “great signs” and wonders:

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Revelation 13:11-17)

The Great Bwana then goes on to quote his favorite crazy dude, Malachy. Any fellow crackpot he can find to support his craziness, the Great Bwana latches on to them, even after admitting that most people also think these nut jobs are crazy (just not COG folk).

If Pope Leo XIV does not perform “great signs” and never calls fire down from heaven, then he could not be the final Antichrist and would not be the last Pontifex Maximus. But if he does those signs, that would point to him being the final Antichrist. 

 

Now, there is a list of pontiffs that an Irish Roman Catholic bishop named Malachy put together in the 12th century. Over a decade ago, I bought a copy of the book shown above related to the Malachy predictions of 112 future popes. 

 

Though various Roman Catholics believe that the list was divinely inspired, and this also seems to have been the position of the Protestant prophetic writer Hal Lindsey, many (including this author) do not believe that the list was from God. Many make light of the list for a variety of reasons. 

 

Even the expression “malarkey” seems to have originated as a derivative of the word Malachy, possibly because of how some viewed Malachy’s writings. Malarkey signifies worthlessness.

Read that again:  Malarkey signifies worthlessness. There can be no better definition of Bobism than this. Worthless!

The Great Bwana then goes on to say that he thinks the Malacy was demonically inspired, yet he quotes him endlessly, as if what he said were fact. 

I have long believed that the list was demonically-inspired–hence I do not rely on it.

He then goes on to quote it and discuss it:

In both Malachy’s list and the Book of Revelation we see:

1. Reference to the city of seven hills/mountains.

2. The destruction of the city of seven hills/mountains.

3. The end of a power in Rome.

4. Persecution.

5. Troubles/tribulations on the earth.

6. A type of judgment.

7. Events for the end time.

And, produced a ridiculously silly video:

Malachy Prophecy, Francis, Doom in 2027?

Do you know who Malachy was? He was an Irish bishop and saint of the Roman Catholic church who put together a list about 900 years ago. This list has been a source of amazement and interest for centuries and at the same time it has also been a source of ridicule. Recently his list has been making headlines; the publication, Euronews has an article citing “Malachy’s List” and doom in 2027. The reason Malachy’s List is once again front-page news is because of what the list contains, as well as because of health concerns related to Pope Francis. It contains a prophecy of the number of popes until Jesus returns as well as a description of the characteristics of each pope. So, why does this matter? How many popes are on the list? What about the reign of the last pope? Are there any similarities between Malachy’s description of the last pope on his list and the prophecies in the Bible? Does the Antichrist fit in to Malachy’s list? Is it possible that Malachy’s list actually predicts the final judgment and the return of Christ in 2027? These questions are fascinating and provocative. Let Dr. Thiel shine the light of Bible prophecy on the answers to these questions. Answers from the verses of the Bible that bring prophecy to life.

He ends by promoting his "new" book and dancing around everything he said about the new pope. It is "could be" time to the max, except when it's not, then it's not.

In my previous ‘Last Pope’ book of 2013, I wrote:

Pope Francis I … if he does not perform various signs and wonders, the Bible is clear that he certainly would not be (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9; Revelation 13:13-16). 

 

The same is true for Leo XIV. 

 

That said, my book about the Malachy prophecies and how Pope Leo XIV could be the one to fulfill the last one...

Crackpot Prophet Wants You To Know Turkey Has Roads!

 

One of Bob Thiel's followers just completed a trip to Turkey to visit the sites of the seven church that COG groups love to talk about. Two things stood out for them,  they discovered how pagan all of these cities were, and that Turkey has modern roads. Who knew!  

Then  Bob's follower makes an observation on how those modern roads will allow a United European Army, i.e. the Germans, to have easy access to invade Jerusalem when Bob Thiel's predicted time of the end arrives.

"Dear Dr Thiel, 

 

In March, Shirley and I travelled to Turkey to visit the seven church sites of Revelation 2 & 3. Not only did we experience the remains of these historic cities of Asia Minor, but we also got a little taste of modern Turkey. 

 

All these historic sites had basically one common theme in their architecture and construction, paganism and idolatry were embedded everywhere. If it wasn’t carved into marble or granite it was painted on walls like wallpaper or laid into the floor with mosaics. Any form of true Christianity seemed far removed."

"Today Turkey has an extensive and very modern network of concrete highways 2 & 3 lanes travelling in opposite directions They cut across valleys and mountain sides, through tunnels and allow for travelling speeds of up to 140 km and run the length and breadth of Turkey. 

 

I kept thinking of how a united European army and its logistical support could quickly travel across Turkey and towards Jerusalem. 

 

Regards

RW"

Why can't COG members just enjoy the world around them without imagining some doom and gloom scenario? Prophecy addiction is a major health issue in Armstrongism.

Then, the always astute, illegitimately ordained, and self-appointed prophet to the church and the world makes two mind-boggling observations:

Yes, Turkey has a lot of modern roads. 

 

Also there are signs of paganism all over the world, and yes, also in the areas that once had the seven churches of Revelation.

I guess that diploma from the "Theological School" in India was worth something after all! He is smart, now! He was quick to scrub any link to that school and his fake degree, though he has kept the title they gave him.

I have studied graduate level Early Church History from Fuller Theological Seminary and other schools in and out of the USA like T of CU, where a Th.D. in Early Christianity was earned). A doctor of philosophy (Ph.D.) degree was earned from the Union Institute and University where I studied various biological sciences and research methodologies. I also have other degrees/training, and have studied theology, both formally and informally.