Monday, January 24, 2022

Huh? Sure, Fine, Whatever...


"I'm fulfilling the clearing up of the Book of Revelation!"

These are snippets from the latest, non-Christian and extra-Biblical musings of Dave's, "Never Ending Story" as to just how correct he and the math still is about Christ's Second, or, the way it's going, Dave's Fifth Coming of his Christ saga.

Apologies for lack of context but I assure you, all of Dave's sermons on this BS sound like this from start to finish. I am sure that no member or minister can repeat or explain it as Dave presents it. I do not understand either the members or the ministry of the RCG. Brain dead it seems.  Besides, it changes every week or less anyhow. 

Most of this makes no sense to me and probably not to anyone hearing it at Church. One thinks that if they could hear the entire sermon, it would make sense. Alas, it does not make any more sense in its complete form than it does in snippet form. 




"HOW many STILL believe (as IF they EVER REALLY did!!!) that Moses, Solomon, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Christ and Paul, and perhaps others - PROVED the Kingdom of God comes in the winter month of Sebat?" That it can't be July,  it can't be April or the Feast of Tabernacles or something?................ 🖐 Ok so we still believe those things


"HOW MANY were convicted that when we move the 8 days out of the Feast of Tabernacles, where the 1st and last days of the Feast, and then the Last Great Day, retain their holy status, and we have to locate them somewhere as SABBATHS?......... HOW MANY STILL believe that?

In other words, do we have AUTHORITY to take these (8) days and move them, and because they're NO LONGER annual Sabbaths, they lose their holy authority, even though annual Sabbaths are more holy to God, there are only 7 of them versus 52 regular Sabbaths. Do we have ANY authority a little over a month ago, to move them and drop the holy status. Are they holy unless God says they're not, or are they not holy unless God PROVES to us AGAIN that they STILL are?"............. There's nowhere in the scriptures that suggests for a minute, that God SAYS they're NOT holy"...

"While the 5 answers remain ROCK SOLID - OR SCRIPTURES BREAK..........SEVERAL things would NOT sit well in my mind for SOME time... In fact, the number of things grew a LITTLE over time - and they resolved themselves"

"The days of his voice..... Either it was 2 messages..... OR the days his voice is PLAYING OUT as his message goes around the world to the brethren....

"My voice is not active anymore since I did Part 344 over 10 days ago... It's TOO far! They don't apply - it bothered me!!

I explained the Book of Revelation - that was a PROPHECY.

I prepared these things WITHOUT ONE THOUGHT - WITHOUT ONE THOUGHT, that I was OPENING UP the Book of Revelation...

It occurred to me DURING the delivery of Part 344, that I WAS FULFILLING the clearing up of the Book of Revelation..... Mr Holcombe and Haboush are both witnesses"....

I believe "Mr Holcombe" was a very close friend of mine back when I pastored in Ohio in my 20's. I ordained him a deacon along the way and then lost track of him over the years. I did call him a couple times in the past but he would not speak with me or return my calls. Then I found he had gone with RCG and Dave so that pretty much explains it.  Dave might not be too happy if John and I were still friends. 

Concerning Dave's view that he opens or fulfills the Book of Revelation-- wrong.  Really, really wrong!

The Book of Revelation, whether we understand it or not, is full of hyperbole and is a failed first century prophecy written in or around the Summer of 70 AD just prior to the Fall of Jerusalem at the hands of the Romans. I do understand the emotional disagreements with this, but Revelation was not written for a 2000 plus year down the road group of White Europeans to use as an explanation as to the times they, like all before them, thought or think they live in with Christ's Second Coming the prize. Even the early canonizers of the scripture were at a loss as to what to do with Revelation. But, as a Book for all times, it made the cut. 

This is not a study on Preterist perspectives but take a look at the concept sometime with regards to Biblical Prophecy and in particular the Books of Daniel and of Revelation should it interest you. It is the most satisfying view of Revelation I have studied to me. I recognize it might be so to you. 

"Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond".[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70."


From The Religion of the Occident

"Revelation was the swan song of Militant Jewish Christianity. When Jerusalem was destroyed, when Rome waxed greater and more powerful, when the False Prophet gained more and more followers (Note: To the author, this was the Apostle Paul who was hated by Jewish Christians), when the book itself was proved totally false within two years, when it became evident that the Jewish Messiah Christ would not come, the Hebrew Christians lost their virility and their cult faded under the combined assault of orthodox Judaism and of Gentile (Pauline) Christianity."


If you'd like my perspective on "The Second Coming as the Eternal Carrot" see:

https://ezinearticles.com/?The-Second-Coming-The-Eternal-Carrot&id=94672

or not...

In short, the "you" of the NT meant them not us, or anyone else of another time, every time.

And "This Generation shall not pass" has indeed passed and, apologetics notwithstanding, was never meant to imply any other future generation than the one Jesus is said to be speaking to in the Gospels. 

Dave's fetish with Revelation and his part in it are delusional and ignorant. 

Thanks for reading and your consideration here. 


   



21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dave, just admit that you're the returned Christ and that you couldn't understand all those scriptures because you were too humble to admit that they all had to do with your coming. Now all you have to do is figure out what it means that you're here, and what you and your people are supposed to be doing to establish your kingdom.

Anonymous said...

I've always believed, as scripture says, that "the kingdom of heaven is within you". Now who here is going to call Christ a liar?!

NeoDromos νέο δρόμος said...

Dennis wrote, "The Book of Revelation, whether we understand it or not, is full of hyperbole and is a failed first century prophecy..."

I am a partial preterist. I believe the 70 AD events in the Book of Revelation have already taken place, but the Parousia events have not. One of the best explanations of end time events was written by Ted Johnston and is found here:

http://thesurprisinggodblog.gci.org/2021/05/on-matthew-24-signs-of-jesus-comings.html

And I find your statement cited above unpersuasive. But then my guess is that you did not intend to persuade the reader.

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Anonymous said...

You did not ordain the Holcombe mentioned to a deacon in ohio. Andrew Holcombe packs assistant is only 32 years old and only came to ohio for RCG. He is from Grand Rapids.

Anonymous said...

Pack has most likely read this, and is inwardly laughing, even mentally thanking Dennis for compiling it. Why? Dave knows that if his members see it and read it, they will absolutely idolize him for saying it! For all intents and purposes it it his "The election has been stolen from me!"

Anonymous said...

Packs personal assistants are both in their early thirties. Andrew Holcomb is from Rapib City, Logan, and James Habboush us from eastern Pennsylvania.

Anonymous said...

John Holcombe died several years ago in the toledo area, at the time of his death he was a member of RCG. He is not the one Pack references

Anonymous said...

Sebat, or Shebat or Shevat, ends Feb 1, 2022. I can hardly wait for the next mathmalfunction.

Anonymous said...

Dave's sales pitch: "give me all your money, and as one of Gawds ministers, I will put in a good word for you, enabling your entry into the Kingdom. So give me all your money."

Anonymous said...

I thought it was Pack who came from Rabid City?

DennisCDiehl said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
You did not ordain the Holcombe mentioned to a deacon in ohio. Andrew Holcombe packs assistant is only 32 years old and only came to ohio for RCG. He is from Grand Rapids.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
John Holcombe died several years ago in the toledo area, at the time of his death he was a member of RCG. He is not the one Pack references
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Thank you both for the update and information on John Holcomb. It seemed a close match for sure and having lost contact with the John I knew was credible as well. I assumed. I am sorry to hear of his passing. I found a John Holcomb on RCG employee list stating his status was "non'member" but also a trustee. A bit confusing

"Mr. John Holcomb,

RCG Church Status: Non-member
RCG Job Description: Church Elder, Trustee
RCG Job Status: NOT EMPLOYED, Was never employed.

July 21, 1999 Update

It is also my pleasure to announce the ordination of John Holcomb to the office of local elder. He was a long-time deacon from the Toledo, Ohio, area who has served very faithfully as a member of God’s church for 32 years. I have sorely needed an elder that I could count on for a long time. It has been years since I can say this - - that the area has one now. Mr. Holcomb drives well over 200 miles round-trip to services every week and seems to never miss, rain or shine! Some of his sermons will periodically be sent out - - he is a fine and experienced speaker. He represents the first of several voices that you will be hearing other than mine. We now have five ministers in The Restored Church of God and I can safely say that I believe that more are on the way. This is very encouraging to me because it means we can better care for the sheep and help ready the bride as time winds down in this age."



DennisCDiehl said...

PS This John Holcomb is said to have served in the church for 32 years and not 32 years old which also fits the John I knew.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:10 AM almost got it right, but I'll fix what he missed:

Dave's sales pitch: "give me all MY money (because as Gawd's number one minister it is all mine), and I might put in a good word for you, enabling your entry into the Kingdom. So give me all MY money."

Tonto said...

Pack is not a Preterist, but he indeed is a PRE -TERRORIST !

Anonymous said...

Pack is from lima ohio then pasadena for college the to Cincinnati to be trained by Ron Wrinland or however you spell his name then onto new York then to akron ohio

Anonymous said...

He was a very nice man I meet him just a few years before his death. He suffered alot physically. He was bent over and could no longer stand up strait and needed alot of help to walk and get around. Even in this situation he was pleasant and upbeat.

DennisCDiehl said...

And theologically challenged

Anonymous said...

I thought you'd given up on blogging and had joined a free spirit community.

Have I missed something.

DennisCDiehl said...

517. Hated It. Back in Portland since last April

Anonymous said...

We've reached the point in our national divisiveness at which we actually have refugees from the business communities of Oregon and Washington moving to my state to restart their lives by making their escape from what they refer to as the current "tyrannies" against business owners in their home states. Previously, we had seen people from California who could afford to move here doing so for similar reasons.

The era of the refugee has clearly begun, and I don't see it going away any time soon. As global temperatures continue to rise, larger ice shelves will be dropping off Antarctica and melting into the ocean, and there will be climate refugees leaving coastal cities which are about to be flooded. Rising temps will also cause people to move from intolerably warm desert areas in search of cooler weather and more abundant water.

Anonymous said...

Neo and Dennis, please note there is far more evidence for a post 70 AD date for Revelation, probably 95AD. Here are a couple examples:

“ The question now arises, when did John write the Apocalypse? In the year 69 (or even earlier), or must we reverse the figure and make it 96 (or perhaps 95)? One cannot find a single really cogent argument in support of the earlier date. The arguments produced are based on late and unreliable testimonies, on the wholly imaginary idea that John did not yet know his Greek when he wrote the Apocalypse, and on a very questionable literal interpretation of certain passages . . . The late date has very strong support. Says, Irenaeus: “For that (the apocalyptic vision) was seen not a very long time since, but almost in our own day, toward the end of Domitian’s reign.” Again he says: “. . . the church in Ephesus founded by Paul, and lived in by John until the time of Trajan (AD 98-117), is a true witness of the tradition of the apostles.”[1]
—William Hendricksen, a well-known amillennialist

“Those who hold to the early date [pre- A.D. 70] see in Jerusalem’s destruction the prophesied second coming of Christ in its first phase. External evidence for the earlier (Neronian) date is almost nonexistent. On the other hand, the view that the apostle John penned Revelation near the end of Domitian’s reign was widely held in the early church. The second-century church father Irenaeus wrote . . .[see above quote] . . . The church fathers Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Victorinus, Eusebius, and Jerome also affirm that Revelation was written during Domitian’s reign . . . The testimony of the early church that Revelation was written during Domitian’s reign is difficult to explain if it was actually written during Nero’s reign.[4]”
—Dr. J. MacArthur, a premillennialist

Another is the descriptions of the 7 churches would not fit a pre-70’s situation of the 7.

There’s much more, if one wants to do some research.