Our eternally butthurt prophet of the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" is back ranting today about how important he is and how God sent dreams to his confused mind telling him to apostatize in a fit of rebellion from the Living Church of God because Rod Meredith refused to acknowledge him as some spiritually significant person sent to correct the church. So in his fit of self-righteous anger, he started his own group, trying to poach LCG members and others to join him, which none of them did.
As usual, he trots our Loma Armstrong's dream and now claims that her dream also foretold of him starting a new end time "work". The stupidity can't get any stronger with this guy than this.
Loma and Herbert Armstrong were married in 1917. They were specifically told that they would have a work to do. Furthermore, the bright lights in the dream may have had to do with doing a work (cf. Matthew 5:16)–a work that seemed to vanish and return (flash). Thus, there was a dream from God given to a woman in the 20th century that preceded the start of the old Radio Church of God that Herbert W. Armstrong led. The Radio Church of God represented the start of the Philadelphia era and the Philadelphian work–a work that is not finished (cf. Matthew 24:14-15)–and Herbert W. Armstrong claimed that a dream given to his wife was from God, prior to the start of the Philadelphia era.
Since the Philadelphia era was raised up years after that dream, a question to ponder is, would God do anything similar to point to the continuation of the end-time COG remnant of the Philadelphians? Consider that in Loma Armstrong’s dream that there were two sets of flashing stars–there were two parts to the dream. Herbert Armstrong is now dead and there was a pause between the work God had him to do and the completion of the final phase of the work to finally fulfill Matthew 24:14 (cf. Isaiah 29:14).
Herbert Armstrong mentioned the dream from time to time publicly, here are two nearly identical accounts:
I’m usually pretty skeptical about God speaking to anyone today in visions or dreams. God speaks to us thru His Son, Jesus Christ — the WORD of God — and the Bible is the written Word. I didn’t really believe it then, 38 years ago, but subsequent events have verified that God did speak to my wife at that time, shortly after we were married, revealing thru an angel that He was calling us to the mission of WARNING the world of the fast-approaching END OF THIS WORLD, the Coming of Jesus Christ, and the world-ruling Kingdom of God. At the time I was unconverted, not bothering to attend church, interested only in business and making money. I was embarrassed — a little awed — but immediately tried to put it out of my mind. But at age 30 God took away my business, struck me down, took away my idol of money-making and business prestige. (Armstrong HW. Co-worker letter, November 25, 1955)I’m usually pretty skeptical about God speaking to anyone today in visions or dreams. God speaks to us thru His Son, Jesus Christ — the WORD of God — and the Bible is the written Word. I didn’t really believe it then, 38 years ago, but subsequent events have verified that God did speak to my wife at that time, shortly after we were married, revealing thru an angel in a vision that He was calling us to the mission of WARNING the world of the fast- approaching END OF THIS WORLD, the coming of Jesus Christ, and the world-ruling Kingdom of God. At that time I was unconverted, not bothering to attend church, interested only in business and making money. I was embarrassed — a little awed — but immediately tried to put it out of my mind. But at age 30 God took away my business, struck me down, took away my idol of money-making and business prestige. (Armstrong HW. Co-worker letter, February 21, 1956)
Notice that the dream was to go until the end of the world and the coming of Jesus–since Herbert Armstrong has been dead since January 16, 1986–if the dream was from God then, does it not make sense that the second half of the dream would be fulfilled by another in the 21st century? We in the Continuing Church of God are fulfilling that second part of stars.
Eyes of a vast multitude suggest that the dream was saying that the work to be done was to have a witness to many. This happened with the old Radio and Worldwide Church of God under Herbert Armstrong’s leadership in the 20th century. The second set of stars in the dream, which he did not mention in the August 1958 Plain Truth, article, but did in his published Autobiography, may pertain to what I have called, for years, The Final Phase of the Work. But even if it had applicability to the ministry of Herbert Armstrong only, the dream, which shortly before his death he confirmed he believed was from God (per Aaron Dean, who I discussed this with on October 30, 2015), shows that one did precede the COG work he was involved in.
The Great Bwana to the Gentiles of Africa and 304 Israelitish Caucasians then trots out Dale Schurter as a reliable source. Given Schurter's track record of church hopping and ultimately embracing the Restored Church of God as the final true church proves Schurter has no credibility.
Dale Schurter, a former WCG minister, reported that Herbert W. Armstrong stated the following in 1984/1985 (shortly before he died in January 1986). Here are two accounts of this:
“A few months before Mr. Armstrong’s death, my wife and I had the opportunity to spend several hours with Mr. Armstrong in his home in Pasadena. He spoke freely of the mighty work God had commissioned him to accomplish, and related certain heartfelt comments: ‘I can say that I have finished the work God has given me to do, and am at peace about it. I have preached and taken the Gospel of the Kingdom of God into all the world as a witness to all nations.’
“Mr. Armstrong went on to say, ‘I have come to realize there will be an even greater work to follow—to go again, to “prophesy again” to all nations tongues and peoples (Rev. 10:11) before the work of the two witnesses—but with more power and with a stronger warning message. But that will be for others to do.’ He continued, ‘It will be a short work (Rom. 9:27-29), compared with the longer time to complete the work I was given, and it will be cut short. That’s when the Great Tribulation will begin, as will the work of the two witnesses. These will last for three and one-half years, at the end of which Christ will return in glory.’” (“The Greatest Work Lies JUST Ahead…” as stated in RCG letter of May 31, 2013)
When Mr. Armstrong was age 91 — about 1984 — Mona and I had opportunity to spend several hours with him in his home in Pasadena to visit and further report on work he had commissioned us to do. We were to report directly back to him. He talked freely of the mighty work God had given him to accomplish. He went on to tell us there was yet a bigger work still to be done, to go again and repeat what has been done, but with more power and with a stronger warning, just before the work of the two witnesses would begin. He said it would be a “short work” (Rom. 9:27-29) compared with the longer time to complete the work he had been given, and that it would be “cut short.” That’s when the great tribulation would begin, as would the work of the two witnesses. These would last for three and one-half years. (January 7, 2012 Dale Schurter Speaks Out: UCG Resignation Letter)
The Great Bwana then claims that because Herbert Armstrong did not preach about the second part of Loma's dream that it then points specifically to Apostate Bob as that "second set of stars".
Consider that since Herbert Armstrong did not teach that the second part of his wife Loma’s dream was fulfilled and that he also taught a greater work was going to happen after his death. It is greater because it will fulfill Matthew 24:14, etc. That is the work that we in the Continuing Church of God are leading. It appears that the second part of Loma D. Armstrong’s dream was pointing to the Continuing Church of God–the group that best represents the remnant of the Philadelphian portion of the Church of God.
Um, no it doesn't!
The Great Bwana then continues his mythological storytelling of his major butthurt over Rod Meredith's rejection of him and how that justified his ascendancy as the one true final work.
Many years ago I had a dream, which while I did not understand it at first, as it became more and more fulfilled over the years, I began to understand it and believe it was from God.
I was 50 at the time (which essentially makes me an ‘old man’ per Numbers 8:25; cf. John 8:57). In my dream, there seemed to be two parallel lines. Living Church of God (LCG) evangelist Roderick Meredith was on the top line and I was on the line much below. In the dream, I kept calling up to Dr. Meredith, but he never would respond. This lack of response made no sense to me during the dream. Then after what seemed to be a long time, the lines-crossed with his line dropping and my line going up.
One reason that I did not understand it at the time was that I was on relatively close speaking terms with Dr. Meredith then (he repeatedly told me he considered me to be his friend, plus he had appointed me an adviser to LCG on matters of doctrine and prophecy), so that aspect of the dream made no sense. Also, since I had no intentions of leaving Living Church of God then (and certainly no plans to start a separate church), it was not clear what the dream was saying. Another reason I was unsure about the dream then was that I had not had any anointing for the Holy Spirit beyond baptism when I had that dream.
Right on cue, here comes Gaylyn Bonjour and his so-called double blessing.
But these matters changed eventually. For one, I was unexpectedly anointed for a ‘double-portion’ of God’s Spirit (cf. 2 Kings 2:9) on December 15, 2011 by an LCG minister named Gaylyn Bonjour.
Furthermore, over time, Dr. Meredith became more distant from me, would not keep various promises to me, and ultimately stopped speaking with me. And after I got a letter from him on 12/28/12, it was clear to me that there was no way that the Philadelphia mantle could be with him or any of his leaders. These subsequent events showed me that the dream was being fulfilled.
The butthurt and batshittery just keep getting deeper and deeper!
Then he goes on to blame lazy Laodiceans and their bad attitudes for ignoring him:
Despite what the Bible supports, most Church of God groups do not seemingly accept that there are any prophets today, nor do they seem to accept that God actually sometimes speaks in dreams in the 21st century–some, oddly, seem indignant of the very idea. Part of the reason for this is that those self-proclaimed ‘prophets’ outside of the Continuing Church of God have tended to be proven to be false.
Well, I wonder why? Is it because every single one of them has been lairs and certified false prophets? Could that be the problem, Bob?
But that does not mean God doesn’t ever use dreams or have any in the office of prophet or ever pour out a ‘double-portion’ of His Spirit (cf. 2 Kings 2:9-15) as happened when an ordained minister so prayed and anointed me on December 15, 2011.
Gaylyn Bonjour had no idea Bwana Bob would twist this so-called blessing into using it to start a new splinter group of the Living Church of God.
The Great Bwana then goes on to quote dreams of various African followers and stories to legitimize his apostasy. He then ends with this:
But many do not believe that God will work using dreams in the 21st century, despite the reality that most once part of the old WCG supposedly believed that God did in the 20th century.
Of course, some will discount dreams and their confirmation as proper proof of anything they do not wish to believe. Many want more dramatic signs (Matthew 12:38; 1 Kings 19:11-12), but God does not always do it that way (Matthew 12:39-42; 1 Kings 19:12-14).
Laodiceans seem to think that even though they claim to believe the Bible, that God really is not using dreams in the 21st century. According to Jesus, Laodiceans need to repent (Revelation 3:14-22)–yet, sadly, few will in time.
Satan and his allies do not want you to believe that God has actually been using dreams–he wants you to rationalize away the prophecy in Acts 2:17-18–otherwise you might take action he opposes.
Can you believe?
Bad Laodiceans! How dare you not believe the Great Bwana??????
41 comments:
Here you folks are talking about Bob again yet you all need to take a look at yourself first Bob is accomplishing something useful for the world however you all put him down and ridicule a blameless and innocent man let him be and if you don't do it for yourself do it for God try not to irritate Bob he is an extraordinary person.
The more Prophet Bob writes the deeper he digs the hole. I am amazed at the sheer arrogance of the guy and his self importance.
11:30. "Bob is accomplishing something useful for the world "
OMG! What absolute malarkey! Bob is not accomplishing anything useful and instead is setting up a legalistic self-worshipping cult focused entirely around him. Jesus is not part of his ministry. Bob is far from blameless and innocent! Rod Meredith knew the dark side of Bob and eventually stopped listening to him. That's why Meredith kicked him out of LCG.
There is NOTHING extraordinary about Bob. He is a typical self-absorbed COG splinterist narcissist that the COG was so good at cranking out. Liars every single one of them.
Anon 11:53 PM Bob, he isn't what this blog blames him for but instead an incredible courier of God. Bob helping the Africans is selfless not " self-absorbed".
Bob has always had a serious credibility problem, particularly when he was in Global and then LCG. People saw through his weird ideas and off-the-wall biblical interpretations. While Meredith coddled him for a while, Bob's beliefs kept going further and further off the rails till Mr. Meredith closed him out. That is why hardly anyone from LCG went with him. He was intensely disliked by many.
Anon 12:18 no man is perfect neither are you, Bob, or anyone else I know you guys jealous of Bob because he is famous but keep yourselves under control.
"I know you guys jealous of Bob because he is famous "
ROTFLMAO! You are on a roll today. Too funny.
I can guarantee I can ask over a thousand people in town this afternoon and not one single one of them will know who Bobalina is. Bless your heart.
Bob, he isn't what this blog blames him for but instead an incredible courier of God.
Not so much a courier as a derriere, IMHO.
I wonder if Bob somehow knows he has NO credibility and that is why the continue pumping that he is ‘the one’ doubly blessed and all?
This only diminishes his credibility even more.
Religion brings out the best and worst in humanity.
The track record of the Armstrong cog movement is dismal at best and it is dying a natural death. Bob like all of us will go the way of all men, like Armstrongism, unknown invisible divided irrelevant and soon to be forgotten even by those incredibly small numbers who have been impacted by it.
Gods work of salvation continues in spite of this near unknown group to the vast majority of mankind, even within ‘Christianity’.
Blogs like this provide an invaluable service in exposing these groups and individuals.
"Blogs like this provide an invaluable service in exposing these groups and individuals."
Absolutley! This blog has been a major thorn in Thiel's side and kept a lot of people away from him who might have entertained the idea. I have had people write privately stating we kept them away from Bob.
If anything , the WCG was the LAODICEAN ERA .
REV 3--- I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
I have a friend who was interested in Bob's group. I kept sending her articles from here and she finally realized what a fraud he is. The best part of it is that she and her husband make tons of money so they would have been potential high rollers in Bob's cult if they tithed.
This blog has harmed Mr.Thiel's ministry and gotten many individuals far from him when he could have more members. Shame on you!
Only a small percentage of the people who visit these blogs actually comment. Hence, it is impossible to accurately measure the full impact of Banned (or the other blogs who expose the falsehoods and sins of the ACOGs). However, when one looks at the number of views, where they originate, the public comments and the occasional private messages, it is very apparent that Banned (and the others) are doing a great deal of good. Moreover, if Banned wasn't having an impact, then ACOG leaders wouldn't bother to forbid their members from having a look! Bob's own repeated challenges to what's posted here reflects the fact that these posts are NOT ignored in ACOG land.
So, keep on keeping on, NO2HWA! The awakening of one person trapped in one of these cults, or the prevention of one new person falling for this baloney is worth it. And, frankly, I'm very certain that more than one person has escaped (or has been saved from falling prey to) this heresy by this blog! Keep up the good work!
Anon 3:08:00 PM PST
Well this blog has exposed Thiel.
His theology/ doctrines are fundamentally flawed and demonstratedly incorrect as this blog has pointed out many times over.
His ‘work’ will not stand under the spotlight of critical inquiry and analysis.
When ‘this blog has harmed Mr Thiel’s ministry and gotten many individuals far from him when he could have more members’,
there is always the possibility that God has used this blog to forewarn many about ‘Mr Thiel’s’ ministry and the dangers it poses to their well-being.
Shame on you.
If anything , the WCG was the LAODICEAN ERA .
No, we have 218 years before we reach year 6000 on the Hebrew calendar. God gave the oracles to the Jews; they know their own calendar and how many years have passed.
WCG was part of the Thyatira Era, growing alongside other whore/Jezebel churches like the SDAs, and we are now in the scattered period known as Sardis.
When is it finally going to dawn on some of these guys that prophecy simply does not work as a penis extender???
Anonymous said...
If anything , the WCG was the LAODICEAN ERA .
No, we have 218 years before we reach year 6000 on the Hebrew calendar. God gave the oracles to the Jews; they know their own calendar and how many years have passed.
WCG was part of the Thyatira Era, growing alongside other whore/Jezebel churches like the SDAs, and we are now in the scattered period known as Sardis."
Sure, let's just make up some more goof ball religious whacko ideas.
Why hasn't this blog turned anyone away from UCG?
It has! Me!, I am so glad to be free.
Anon 6:16:00 PM PST
‘Why hasn’t this blog turned anyone away from UCG?’.
Sad to see the discussion on this blog has reached and plummeted to this poor level of questioning and reasoning.
Certainly one of the more intellectually sloppy and shallow I have read for awhile.
But to answer if I must……the New York Times will be publishing an analysis on this very vexing topic in a special editorial within the coming week. Due to the sensitivity of this issue the piece will not be published in the Saturday print thankfully.
That aside the conclusions they reach hopefully will settle any controversy arising from the question raised above.
You're sussing yourself out here.
Anon 7:25 you didn't answer the question properly.
Whats the NYT have to do with someone leaving UCG? Crazy!
A little humility wouldn't hurt Bob; being a pompous, pretentious prognosticator hasn't done him well with the masses.
I've been attending COG7Day since 1986 and have never been happier in my life. Now, who on earth is Bob?!
This morning as I was, to paraphrase Jackson Browne, "shootin' up the morning news", I clicked on one of my sources, msn. In the feed of news items and ads, an ad that read "Herbert W. Armstrong" flashed on my screen. I looked at the small print at the bottom and noticed that the ad was from RCG. There are usually about 31-61 rotating, updated items which appear in this cycle, and the ad had disappeared by the time I reached #1 again on my second go.
I use Duck Duck Go and Safari on my various devices, one of which prevents tracking, and the other sheilds from trackers. Plus, I use Apple products exclusively to avoid viruses. So, I'm wondering if Dave is taking ads out on msn, or if somehow this ad got triggered as a result of my "interest" in HWA because I visit sites devoted to debunking him. I have never visited an rcg site, first of all to avoid vomiting, and secondly because others have reported having some bad juju laid on their computers after having visited Dave's site.
1) Giving you guys the heads up. HWA is largely a long forgotten figure of religious history. It is highly unusual for there to be an ad on msn news feed with his name on it. Something is up, and it isn't good. Beware.
2) Has anyone else had rcg ads come up in their news feeds, junk email, or any of the other regular places on their internet activities?
3) I find this shit to be very offensive, and would like to report it to somebody. Anybody know anything effective along those lines, and by that, I mean something or someone that would do major damage if this is some new program of Dave's?
"We in the Continuing Church of God are fulfilling that second part of stars."
Dennis in particular will be familiar with, and sympathetic to, the old astronomer's quip: "We are all made of stars."
I suppose Dennis is made up of a bit of Alpha Centauri and some Andromeda. Unfortunately, our Bob is made up of Liberace and Paul Lynde.
Anonymous at 6:16:00 PM PST said...“Why hasn't this blog turned anyone away from UCG?”
All of the bad people in the UCG behaving so very badly will literally drive people out of the UCG.
"This blog has harmed Mr.Thiel's ministry and gotten many individuals far from him when he could have more members. Shame on you!"
It's sad that your god is so weak that he's unable to overcome this blog!
By the way, it's a sick mind that has to come on here and anonymously defend themself. Yes, we know that it's you commenting above Bob!
Bob describes a dream of flashing lights. Well, I had a dream last night of flushing toilets. There were two of them, with the water and the poop circling the drain and then disappearing.
My interpretation of that dream is that, just as HWA's ministry turned to poop and went down the drain, the same is happening to Buttproduct Bob and his ministry.
Blasphemy is ok by your reasoning.
Writing to self now. Not for the first time either.
True many are watching this blog but not for the reasons that puff your ego up.
2) Has anyone else had rcg ads come up in their news feeds, junk email, or any of the other regular places on their internet activities?
Yes, some years ago I picked up a cookie and HWA's mug started popping up on different screens. Once it was very annoying as it was conspicuously in the ads on a screenshot I was using in a presentation.
I was able to get rid of it and from then on avoided any RCG-related links.
I've never noticed anything in relation to Bob's "Google ad campaign".
Armstrong said God "took away my idol of money-making and business prestige." When did God give his idol of money-making and business prestige back to him? Evidence that he got his idol back is seen in his tableware, gold plated junk once owned by a member of a royal family. He sure got his idol back when he had the money to redeem it. He probably never got rid of the idol, just pawned it until he could buy it back.
So, if Bob is supposedly double blessed, does that mean he has double to answer for?
Anon 1:09:00 AM PM PST
I think this post was in jest.
Not to be taken seriously.
Zippo that's because Bob is too good for advertisements.
PCG has posted an article by David Privratsky. (New York Spokesmen Host Ladies Night, February 17, 2022.)
David Privratsky was the one married to Janet De Gennaro when she died by suicide on July 20, 2014. She had no contact with her family at the time because they had been disfellowshipped from PCG. According to her father's statement to Exit and Support Network his daughter was never legally married.
This tragic story was discussed at Banned by HWA here:
https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/p/how-fred-dattalo.html
The only thing I can say about this Bwana Bob story is, Um-Gow-Wah!
If Bob Thiel took his naturopathy in the direction of the healing properties of cannabis, would we call him the Marijuana Bwana? In a sense, this would be right in keeping with some of his other beliefs. The huge earth shaking end times problems he sees with NFL football would be largely resolved if both teams smoked up before the big games.
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