“Weeping For Tammuz”
Against the advice of Dr. Frederik Jaco Viljoen, let us travel into the not-so-far Wayback Machine to refresh our memories of what David C. Pack has said that he now wishes we had forgotten.
Part 378 – June 15, 2022
@ 23:07 So, this is a critical thing to understand. We’ve got the right month…I’m now convinced…if nothing happened in the month of Tammuz, I would be weeping…You cannot get outside this month.
@ 37:30 I won’t be telling you we’re gonna wait a month. That’s impossible. You could throw my own words back up against me if you will.
Challenge accepted.
Part 367 – May 14, 2022
@ 1:31:35 And if you were following the scriptures and not just me, when you walk outta here you’ll be able to see the exact same dates in the scripture. If you don’t, then you don't understand calendars, you don't understand months, or math, or anything else.
Part 379 – June 25, 2022
@ 19:05 It is impossible that it is any other month and I’m stressing that so everybody is crystal clear what’s at stake here tonight.
Part 380 – July 1, 2022
@ 1:26:38 If for some reason it’s not this picture, I will not bend it. I’ll tell ya that now. Have to be an oracle. I’d have to have Gabriel in this ear and Michael in this ear telling me to change it in some way. And maybe Christ Himself for something.
Part 382 – July 17, 2022
@ 1:13:12 I can’t come back with different math.
Part 376 – June 13, 2022
@ 08:22 August is impossible. I knew that…There was no possible way to make the inflection points through this period fit August. It’s just impossible.
Newsflash: Tammuz 29/Av 1 is no longer the big deal!
Dave cannot put the whole month of Tammuz behind him fast enough.
The Feast of Trumpets is now the focus (no more flirting) and the new date of Av 15 is the precursor to watch for.
You just cannot make this stuff up. Well, David C. Pack can and does. As time goes on, he proves that he has more in common with L. Ron Hubbard than Herbert W. Armstrong.
Refreshed from his vacation, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God could not wait to get back to the TammuzCooking Table to ruin yet another Sabbath for the members at Headquarters. Well, for those who were able to attend since there was an outbreak of COVID after the Summer Picnic last week. Rain and COVID will be a challenge to beat for fun activities next year.
The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 383) was given to an unsurprised audience during services on July 23, 2022. I mean, what else could he possibly do? Admit he is a fraud? Ha!
@ 00:45 What could we possibly still need to know? Well, I made…three of the most startling discoveries in the whole series. And we are still absolutely on track. In fact, you’ll see more than ever how that track lays and why we are still on it.
@ 06:54 You’re gonna love this journey. Trust me.
Dave must have spent hours in the car formulating how to be delusional without sounding delusional. Next time, he should consult with Brad who would teach him how to better polish his material.
When you go to the movies and hear a character say, “Trust me,” what do they later reveal themselves to be? (Unless it is Indiana Jones telling you with a wink and a smile.)
@ 03:23 When is the Day of the Lord? Now, I thought it was Av 1. But we gotta ask again since Av 1 is a few days away. Nobody can possibly believe that Thursday…is the Day of the Lord. So, when is it? Can you know?
When something Past-Dave said was a few days away, even Present-Dave admits it cannot be true. That is a philosophy that has served me very well thus far. If anyone wants to tell Dave my secret, just let them know that I disbelieve him the moment the words fall from his lips. That success rate has been quite high.
@ 09:29 I’ve explained that sometimes I’m just uncomfortable with things. And when God gives me that feeling of discomfort, I know the Comforter is not comfortable in me, I better start digging.
You can look at that two ways: 1) He is digging his own ditch to fall into again; 2) He is an Army soldier digging a hole only for the purpose of filling it up again. Both are equally accurate.
Maybe the Comforter is telling you to shut the hell up, Dave. Ever consider that? Of course not.
I cannot shake the image of a senior citizen wandering the halls of a convalescent care center discovering a new room each time he ventures out. That unexplored room is the one the nurse keeps returning him to that miraculously has all his stuff already in it.
As a non-prophet/non-psychic, I can see in my mind’s eye Dave sitting in the rec room in a bathrobe staring at a chess board while preaching to the pawns about how “right he is” that it is “impossible to go another year.”
Please excuse Dave. He forgot to take his meds.
For no reason at all, I looked up the term, "functional insanity" just to see what would pop up. I invite the curious to do the same. See if you can discern any parallels.
@ 28:31 So that’s a powerful proof. Not only that the Day of the Lord comes on Trumpets, but it cannot be next year or the year after. So, if anybody thinks we can go another three years, then I guess then I guess, you know, I guess we could. But, there are other metrics that put us in this year.
He ran out of gas with his train of thought there. The “other metrics” are being held back for a message to be delivered later this week. I am already shivering with excitement.
@ 38:52 Everything’s gonna be settled for us by math.
Because the math thus far has proven to be been tremendously successful.
@ 38:55 You won’t hafta worry about anything. It’ll be impossible to misunderstand.
Except when Dave goes home, feels uncomfortable, and then understands that he misunderstood.
@ 39:01 Now I’m gonna show you, I don’t know how in the world we missed this. I consider it one of the most stunning things I’ve ever discovered in the Bible. I’ve run it by several ministers. They kinda blink and wonder, “How did we miss this?”
Dave re-discovered the Mustard Seed and other Kingdom parables in Luke 13 and Matthew 13. He realized there was a “missing kingdom” hidden in those parables that he and the “ministers” did not see.
@ 39:46 It just opened my mind and I believe God just simply gave me things that would end the Mystery of God right before all these events were supposed to go down.
Is this inspiration from God or a case of, "Where else were you going to go with it?" As basic as left foot, right foot, Dave opens his Bible and finds another trap door that he can slip through and then trick the audience into thinking NOW he has the full picture.
I think it. Therefore, it exists. I think it. Therefore, it is true.
This is the Dave thought process in a nutshell. If you understand this, you understand him.
@ 53:21 So, the First Kingdom foretells the Kingdom of God. You hafta have two kingdoms. It’s impossible to not have two kingdoms before The Day of the Lord. So, there’s one kingdom before the Kingdom of God that comes in iterations forever…It’s a mustard seed.
@ 53:44 I’m gonna tell you in a minute exactly how many days it is and then it’s gonna be math, it’ll be impossible to be confused. You’ll go outta here on air and we’ll find out it’s fairly close.
@ 57:40 Subtract 1290 from 1335, what do you get? I’ll tell you what you get. You get the length of the first Kingdom of God. And the answer is 45 days. It’s math. It’s inarguable. I’d go to my grave saying there’s no way to change that.
Does he know these things are being recorded? Perhaps Ed can slip him a note to let him know that what he says will be remembered even days after he said it.
His prophetic fixation is like a magnet. Whatever is on the horizon is what he is attracted to. If it is Christmas, then that becomes a big deal. If it is Valentine’s Day, then that becomes a big deal. Passover. Spring. Iyar. Tammuz. July 4. Now, his internal magnet has snapped all the way to Trumpets but the math subtracts 45 days to get to Av 15. His annual cycles are so predictable; you could almost set your watch to him.
With Dave, there is forever going to be “more of the story.” If you are waiting for the train to completely stop before you jump off RCG folks, that ain’t gonna happen.
Once Dave began to set dates, he put in motion a cycle that can never and will never stop. If he ever stops setting dates, he would have to stew in the juices of his own failure and that would be too bitter for him to swallow.
He went “all in” with Tammuz and is now welshing on the bet. How many times can any person keep asking the House for a new marker? The members of The Restored Church of God seem to be granting Dave an endless line of credit. Do not be surprised when he never pays it back.
There are only a few rational explanations as to what is going on with David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God through this Greatest Unending Story series.
1) God is doing this
2) Dave is doing this
3) A dark spirit is doing this
Those three options can blend together. 1 & 2. 2 & 3. Or just 2 by itself.
If you weigh the fruit of how this has been done and all that has been produced, what else can a rational human being conclude?
Here is one last parting quote to keep fresh in our minds.
Part 376 – June 13, 2022
@ 27:45 …but if I’m not faithful to the truth, then forget it. We need somebody else…
Marc Cebrian
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22 comments:
He's big enough to make a good ditch digger. But the comforter is probably telling him to dig his own grave since he says he'd take it to his grave that you can't change the math. Wonder where he found the way to predict the second coming through math. Is that word even in the Bible?
Bad news , for Packs' views , on Tammuz, darn fools!
“Dave Pack: 'Weeping For Tammuz'”
Laugh at Pack, and I'll laugh with you.
Weep for Tammuz, and you weep alone.
No time to weep for Tammuz.
Too busy feeling sorry for my own self and weeping that I ever heard of Pack.
If I hear this sick, sick man say, "I know when/what/how the mystery of god is finished" just one more time, I am going to need therapy. And I have never met him, been in his group, or Armstrongism for that matter.
The mystery of God was explained, as plainly as language allows, several times in Scripture. It was God taking the Gospel of grace to the Gentiles, through the Apostle Paul. A genuine Apostle, sent by God, not this false, lying, horrible at everything related to prophecy and things biblical idiot.
Sorry, but I am angry. I am angry at the way this man deceives these people, angry for the immeasurable pain and suffering he has caused his family and angry at the lies he speaks, ad nauseam, "On God's authority, brethren...". I do not know Dave's god, but I know my God. He would never do such vile things this fool has done. Enough is enough. This has got to stop. At some point, an actual grown up will have to step in and put a stop to this insanity..preferably before this man hurts one more person. And, at some point, his members should get up, walk out and never look back.
There has to be a law against fondling the scriptures - there just has to be.
I remember when I was around 14 years old, some of my friends were bragging that they were fondling our female school mates. I half didn't believe them, but I asked them what the girls reaction was when they did it? They said the girls didn't do anything. About a week later I actually witnessed one doing this and the girl just giggled. I asked these boys when they were going to stop - will it be after you have fondled all the girls in the school?
Dave is getting his jollies - first from that special feeling that keeps coming upon him and then what follows is a grown man grabbing his Bible in his two hands and what follows is adolescent euphoria.
And what is the memberships reaction to all this? Marc does keep giving us audio clips of a lot of giggling.
As for Tammuz, she should immediately file a lawsuit against
Dave for what he just did to her. As for Av, she better get the best lawyer available, because adolescent euphoric Dave is coming for you.
I have to admit that I started checking-in on "Banned" from time-to-time initially when this pompous, arrogant clown was predicting the imminent deaths of leaders of the other groups a few years back. Since then, it's been sort of a morbid curiosity to see just how outrageously crazy he needs to get before his whole house of cards collapses around him. After reading today's chapter of "As the Stomach Turns" I was reminded of any number of old movies where a particularly convincing patient in a mental facility convinces visitors that he's the hospital administrator - and even though everything that comes out of his mouth is pure gibberish - it's swallowed up by others if only for a brief time. Apparently, in this particular asylum, no one is ever going to have the courage to step up, give him a strong sedative, and lead him by the hand back to the rubber room.
Bob Thiel constantly complains that nobody respects him as a prophet. The ex-members of RCG complain that they are sorry they ever did respect David C. Pack as a prophet.
Although he probably doesn't realize it, Bob should be thanking fate or the zeitgeist or whomever for the way things have played out. You see, his wish for respect has not been granted, so he's got a nearly zero karmic debt. Dave Pack? Phenomenal Karmic debt!!! If you are in search of some grandiose spiritual title, be very careful what you ask for!
I really don't like the way Dave using that hand gesture. It seems likes he's giving everyone watching the finger. Look at it closely. Is he saying: Screw You to all his faithful. It's just hitting me the wrong way. Back at you Davie Boy.
That picture makes him look like he is ready to give a prostate exam.
What makes you think he hasn't?
Dave has "girlie" hands. Did he ever work a day in his life?
Dave has pulled this "correct me if I'm wrong" BS along the way
@ 37:30 I won’t be telling you we’re gonna wait a month. That’s impossible. You could throw my own words back up against me if you will.
Of course you really can't "throw my own words back against me if you will" really. Never worked before.
"I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."
David C Pack
December 12, 1998
Man oh man! Oops, I mean woman oh woman (?), that Tammuz pulled off some real doozies such as getting a month of the Jewish calendar to be named after her, getting named in the Bible, getting Dave to go bonkers over her.
Come on people! Tammuz was a god, not a goddess. His mother/wife was Ishtar/Astarte. You know the story! Think Nimrod and Semiramis... Someone at rcg hq is doing some research on days that Jews observe....such as 45 days before Trumpets... Av. 1, Av. 15...and some of the other dates that are being fed to dave. I'm sure xmas will be in play again...but so many other fun dates between now and then!
People like Dave who successfully swindle people, secretly despise their victims as weak. It's their wacko moral code.
People like Dave who successfully swindle people, secretly despise their victims as weak. It's their wacko moral code
so true!
Significant RCG Date
David C. Pack's August 31, 2013 big prophetic date guess that totally failed in spite of his total of 56 given and not given proofs for why it would happen then was a significant date in RCG history.
It showed that David Pack was capable of extreme nuttiness.
It showed that all of David Pack's so-called “reasoning,” and so-called “logic,” and so-called “proofs,” were all complete, total, utter nonsense.
Unfortunately for some people, they had already listened to David Pack for so long, and had already given him so much money, that it was psychologically very difficult for them to accept what reality had now clearly shown them.
The prophetic date guesses only got worse later.
We are currently in Bein Hametzarim - the Three Weeks of Mourning - between Shivah Asar b'Tammuz (17 Tammuz) and Tisha B'Av (9 Av) - a very solemn period of time in Judaism. Has David considered this? It could (in theory) blow his game wide open!
Or, I may ask, has Dr. Bob considered its "prophetic ramifications"? Another potential game changer!
Poof, presto changeo, abracadabra,!! that's entertainment folks. The show must go on.
I miss those cooking shows. Why has he gone to the field of medicine? The man is just unique in his ability to adapt, not to mention his knack at backtracking at prophetic failures.
Caption for the Dave index finger portrait: If you doubt my prophecies, I will eat this booger just to gross you out!"
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