Wednesday, May 31, 2023

Why Does Our Crackpot Prophet Continue To Use Norm Edwards As Validation?

 

One would think that after being set apart by God as the foundations of the world were laid out and the plan of salvation was being developed, our illustrious self-appointed prophet in these perilous end times would not need to continually try and prove his prophethood status. Each year he must trout Norm Edwards as some kind of authority on prophets. Two erroneously wrong individuals do not make it right.

Norm Edwards was like the Great Bwaana to Africa and his 100 Caucasians. He left the church in a spirit of rebellion to start his own group because he knew MORE than those he was rebelling against. Norm did have one good thing going for him: he put what he believed into action and started a recovery center for recovering addicts.

Norm had a fan following of dissident members in Pasadena during the WCG upheaval and afterward with The Servant News and lately with Shepherds Voice.

The Great Bwana starts off by letting us know that Edwards was a former member of the Global Church of God (another rebellious COG splinter group). That right there makes Norm 100% legitimate...NOT!

The bouncing Bwana starts off with this from Edwards:

“… I [an angel] am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10).

With dozens of New Testament Scriptures explaining and encouraging the ongoing prophecy in the New Testament and with no scriptures clearly declaring its end, one must conclude that prophets and prophecy are something that God wants for His Church today!

Implementing These Truths

In this 21 st century, most who call themselves Christian neither observe the Sabbath nor seek prophets or prophecies in their congregations. A few teach and practice one or the other. Only a tiny fraction accepts both.

The single biggest difficulty in acquiring any truth, no matter how valuable, is overcoming our own human pride. It is very difficult to accept that we have been wrong about something for many years— especially when we have been right on other things. The lessons of the books of Kings and Chronicles come to mind. Each king’s life is frequently summed up in a single statement— explaining what he did right and where he fell short. If we hunger and thirst for God as King David did (Psalm 63:1; 107:9), we can receive all that he has for us—and obtain a good report (Acts 22:12; Hebrews 11:2, 39).

Right off the bat, Bwana Bob fails Norm's standards for a prophet. Bwana Bob is one of the most prideful people the church has seen in decades! 

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness(1 John 1:9).

Beyond our personal decision to accept a biblical truth, we find difficulty dealing with Christian friends with whom we will differ. From our long friendships, we see each other as fellow believers. But our difference in Biblical understanding raises the questions in each person’s mind: If I do this and they do that, am I wrong? Are they wrong? Should I continue to fellowship with them?

Finally, for members of a church group with a doctrinal statement that is decades or centuries old, growth is rarely quick or even possible. Both religious and civil leaders struggle with prophets today for the same reason they did in the Old and New Testaments. The prophets speak for God, not for the religious or civil leaders of the day. People who always prophesy what the leaders want are probably false prophets.

Strike two for Bwana Bob. He does NOT speak for God! That is a fact. God doesn't deal in maybe's, could be's, and possibles, all hallmarks of the sad little ministry of Bwana Bob. 

This writer heard a church leader put forth this argument against prophets in the church: “If there are real prophets today, then we could ask them and know for sure when Christ will come back. But the Bible says that no man knows that time, so there cannot be prophets today.” We should never underestimate God. He is quite able to not answer the questions we do not need answered now. Jesus already explained this leader’s question:

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth” (Acts 1:6-8).

Individual believers can choose to accept and practice the Scriptural truth about prophets quietly. But if they speak openly and often, they will probably be required to depart for a new congregation. This takes faith to “walk in the wilderness” until new believing friends are established. …

One can quietly come to understand that God grants the gift of prophecy today and continue to fellowship and serve with the same brethren. But when a believer receives a prophecy in a church meeting (1 Corinthians 1 4:30) or makes important life decisions based on a current prophesy, then division often arises. Is this person hearing from God? Should we take action on what he says?

Bwana Bob does not have the gift of prophecy. This is a well-understood fact that the ENTIRE leadership of the Living Church of God understands as do 99.98% of LCG members. That is why LCG turned their backs on Bwana Bob en masse!

A little later Bwana Bo says this:

A while back, Norman Edwards also wrote an article Need Prophets More than Prophecy where he went through additional scriptures. Here are some items from that article:

Do people today have faith that God is able to prophecy through people in their congregations?

1Jo 4:1-2 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

Note: If there were no true prophets, there would be no need to “test the spirits”—because every prophet would be a “false prophet”. But because there are both true prophets and false prophets, we need to “test the spirits”.

Rev 1:1-3 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants — things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

The last book of the Bible is a prophecy inspired by Christ, given to the apostle and prophet named John.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

There is no Old Testament prophecy about a “seventh angel” and very little about a “mystery of God”.

Rev 10:10-11 Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. And he said to me, “You must prophesy againabout many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”

Here an angel is commanding John (or some end-time fulfillment of him) to prophesy. It does not say what he is to prophesy, but it will be given to the prophets when they need it. …Yes, God might choose to give one of them the gift of prophecy, but since most such groups and their schools do not seek out prophetic gifts, they rarely receive them. Notice these important passages:

Matt 23:37-39 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! “See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’ “

Matt 21:24-27 But Jesus answered and said to them, “I also will ask you one thing, which if you tell Me, I likewise will tell you by what authority I do these things: The baptism of John — where was it from? From heaven or from men?” And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ But if we say, ‘From men,’ we fear the multitude, for all count John as a prophet.” So they answered Jesus and said, “We do not know.” And He said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things.”

If there was no prophet greater than John the Baptist (Matt 11:9-11) and if the leaders of his day refused to recognize him, what makes us think that the leaders of our day will recognize any true prophets today? 

 Then the Great Bwana opens his mouth and sticks his foot in, as usual:

Norman Edwards was the editor for Shepherd’s Voice magazine. He is not part of the Continuing Church of God, where, I function as its human leader (and am an ordained prophet; the only known such ordained prophet in any legitimate Church of God group).

Complete balderdash! Bwana Bob is no more a prophet than Dave Pack is. In fact, they are both the same, unrepentant spiritual abusers. 

While Norman Edwards and I have long disagreed about aspects of church governance and various matters of doctrine, we both agree that many who are in or claim to be in the Church of God (COG) wrongly do not accept that God has any prophets today and that Laodicean pride gets in the way. We also agree that most have severe difficulty identifying one who really is a prophet because of various unscriptural biases and improper criteria that they have. 

Talking about Laodicean pride - Bwana Bob is its poster boy!  

Because of false prophets in a couple of COG-related groups (PCG and CGPfK come to immediate mind, but there are others) and a disbelief in prophets by most of the COG groups, the non-Philadelphian COGs have a lot of severe prophetic misunderstandings.

Bwana Bob needs to include the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" in that list of COG's. Never have we seen such severe prophetic misunderstandings!

Bitter Bwana Bob then drags LCG and UCG into the list supposedly claiming he is a real prophet. Both groups categorically deny he is a modern-day prophet!

Some will come up with their preferred rationale as why not to agree with the position of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) on these matters. Yet not only is CCOG’s position biblical, it should be noted that leaders in the Living Church of God and/or the United Church of God confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on nearly all of the above points, despite the fact that their respective churches hold to several of the errors pointed out above. Those who rely too much on a compromised ministry (Ezekiel 34:7-10) to teach them prophecy that is not truly in accordance with scripture need to realize that according to Jesus’ words in Revelation 2 & 3 and Luke 21, only relatively few Christians will be protected from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world.

Such a load of crap! Such a load!

As Norman Edward’s article points out, it is scriptural to now have prophets according to the New Testament. But many who truly believe that they live by the word of God have discounted or overlooked what the Bible actually teaches and/or have been influenced by others who have done the same or worse. The COG has at least one demonstrably true prophet today, yet most in the greater COG world seem to be able to ignore the truth about that, like most ignored John the Baptist and others in their day.

LOL! So when we laugh at and mock Bwana Bob's self-appointment as a prophet we are being like those in John the Baptist's time! Hilarious! 

Pride is a bigger problem for Christians than most realize. People, including Christians, have a hard time admitting that they were wrong.

Again, never has the church had a more prideful man than we have in Bwana Bob today. That alone has turned off thousands of people, particularly in LCG. They knew his pride got the better of him and refused to follow him into his nuttiness. 

Now, let me add that because Herbert W. Armstrong said there were no prophets in the old Worldwide Church of God when he was alive, many have falsely concluded that there could not be any legitimate prophets in the Church of God beyond New Testament times. But that is wrong. 

Just like Gerald Flurry having to edit HWA's writing to validate himself as a prophet, the Great Bwana does the same thing. HWA would have kicked Bwana Bob to the curb so fast that his head would still e spinning.

The great Bwana ends with this:

Do not let pride or preconceived ideas get in the way of you accepting biblical truth. That, according to Jesus, is actually the biggest problem for most Christians in the end time per Revelation 3:14-22–most Christians refuse to fully “hear what the Spirit says to the churches” (Revelation 3:22).

The biggest problem with COG members in this period of time is that there are far too many liars and self-appointed prophets and apostles who have set themselves WITHOUT God's permission and are outright liars and religious frauds. The people in these false groups need to wake up and leave these degenerate churches and find the peace that passes all understanding. It will never be found in these groups, especially in Bwana Bob's lackluster personality cult.

WIll you truly hear and take the proper steps related to matters such as prophets?

Not when it comes from your mouth! Get on your knees and repent you lying false prophet! 

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh no! How many self-appointed dingbat prophets does that make now since the Seventh-day Adventists' EG White? To think she used to be a humble Methodist...to think Herbert"1975"Armstrong used to be Quaker!

Anonymous said...

Nobody had the authority to ordain bob or anyone else a prophet.

Only God can make you a prophet.

Who ordained John? Some Rabbi? That Gaylord guy?

Anonymous said...

Norman S. Edwards: Lone Rebel with a Stolen Mailing List

Years ago, when that sneaky rebel Norman S. Edwards left the Global Church of Rod with a stolen mailing list to try to start his own little business of disagreeing with Herbert W. Armstrong about such things as church government and the calendar, he said that he ended up with about 150 papers on his desk that people had written about the calendar -- and they all disagreed with each other.

Norman Edward's biggest gripe was against hierarchical government in the church. Norman wanted people to write articles about government in the church and submit them to him for possible publication in his Serpent's News newsletter. He said that he was willing to consider just about anything and everything under the sun. This would have seemed to be very open-minded and reasonable except that he quickly went on to add that the only thing that he would not print, and would not even consider, and did not even want to receive, was anything in support of hierarchical government in the church. So, the only viewpoint that Norman totally disagreed with was what Herbert W. Armstrong had taught on the matter. The result was that Norman Edward's efforts over the years amounted to nothing, even after starting off with a copy of Roderick C. Meredith's mailing list.

Anonymous said...

Bob, It does no good to endlessly explain why there will or should be prophets in the end time, and to attempt to demonstrate that you are it. Normally, such a track record is established in the same way as is the reputation of a fiduciary. And that would be through your success, and its recognition by others. Any parrot could be trained to repeat "Wawk! I'm a prophet!" It's not just the words, you see. You prove yourself by quietly doing the work successfully. That is what would convince others to align themselves with you! How many times do we need to point this out to you? Want to make the mocking go away? Live the role. Do the job. Let others see and recognize. It's really just that simple, and anything else is just BS!!!

Tonto said...

I have read "Thiel's Spiel" for years, and it has made NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" in any aspect of my life.

Speculation, guesses, and narcissistic self promotion. That is all Thiel is good for.

Thiel, there is NOTHING self evident or obvious about your claims.

DW said...

Ok Bob, because it is abundantly clear you do not have eyes to see or ears to hear, I will try this again. First and foremost, you wrote, "with no Scriptures clearly declaring its end (prophesying)". Wrong. Hebrews 1:1 clearly declares its end! In times PAST and in various ways, God spoke to us through his prophets, BUT NOW HE HAS SPOKEN THROUGH HIS SON. HAS SPOKEN, Bob. Done. Over. You completely miss the point of His Words, "BUT NOW". You are NOT A PROPHET. Nor do you function as a prophet. Prophets told people ABSOLUTE THINGS THAT CAME TO PASS and they NEVER USED MAYBE, POSSIBLY OR PERHAPS. They also stated THUS SAIETH THE LORD. You even admit you have never said that, but once again, clearly miss the fact that proves you are not a prophet. You speculate, at best. There is a world of difference between the two, which you seem unable to grasp. There is nothing left for God to reveal about prophecy that is not already in Scripture (I am not talking about individual instructions and guidance from God, but prophecy). He HAS SPOKEN THROUGH the prophets, BUT NOW, He has spoken through His Son. Do you think you can improve on Jesus? What could you possibly say to 100 people that God has not already written in Scripture, using genuine prophets and finally, by the mouth of Jesus Christ Himself? Did Jesus forget to warn folks about Theo Zu Guttenberg, your favorite go-to? Did He forget to mention the evils of US football? Did He accidentally leave out details about Christian dating?

You are so desperate to be a prophet that you cannot see the forest through the trees. You have lost all perspective, if you ever had any to begin with. Predicting, betting, prognostication and watching the news are not how the gift of prophecy worked. God gave literal messages to genuine prophets to warn His people. You hand out dating advice and updates on CERN and pass it off to your deceived members as prophecy originating from the mouth of God. You know no shame and have no shame. God will have no mercy on you unless you repent.

Anonymous said...

how is Norm Edwards doing today?

Anonymous said...

he ended up with about 150 papers on his desk that people had written about the calendar -- and they all disagreed with each other

That is typical of Bible "scholars", which is why I have given up on them. What's worse is that most of them probably lack the humility to admit they could be the ones who are deceived. It's always the other guy who is deceived.

Anonymous said...

So Norman S. Edwards stole a mailing list. That's nothing compared to the ACOG groups stealing their members rights.

Anonymous said...

God will have no mercy on you unless you repent.

That's pretty much the same thing Bob told me. Christians are not nice to fellow Christians who see things differently.

RSK said...

So yeah, after years of mentioning Flurry editing MOA, Bob now admits that he would too.

John said...

DWThursday, June 1, 2023 at 8:49:00 AM PDT wrote:
"...Ok Bob, because it is abundantly clear you do not have eyes to see or ears to hear...You are NOT A PROPHET. Nor do you function as a prophet....
You are so desperate to be a prophet that you cannot see the forest through the trees....You know no shame and have no shame. God will have no mercy on you unless you repent..."
******
But, DW, God will have mercy on Bob theil just like God will have mercy on the two thieves that died the day Jesus Christ died. How do we know? A prophecy! Romans 6:23
""

Anonymous said...

Continuing...

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Bob Thiel, false prophet that he is, will continue to give us false prophecies, lie, and sin. He will pay the wages, which is death... The same wages you and I will pay.

What is the mercy that God is going to provide us all? Read the last 13 words of Romans 6:23.

It is appointed to man once to die, but then some good news!

Will God be that merciful to all of us? After all, there is only one penalty for sin, and that is death.

With such good news, there never was a need for some third resurrection.

Whether one is in the first resurrection, or the second resurrection, each of us has sin in our lives, and each of us will die. So says that prophecy in Romans 6:23.

Will the gift of God of eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord be fulfilled in each of our lives as predicted?

Time will tell..

John

P.S. Bob Thiel, stop judging / blaming all of the rest of us when you are caught up in sins just like the rest of us...

Anonymous said...

No Prophets (part 1)
(Mat 11:13 NASB) "For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.”
(Joh 10:35 NASB) … the Scripture cannot be broken
(Heb 1:1 NASB) God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
(Heb 1:2 NASB) in these last days [Paul’s time] has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

1)
Paul gives directions for group discussions
(1Co 14:29 NASB) Let two or three prophets speak [an inspired speaker; by extension a poet], and let the others pass judgment.
(1Co 14:30 NASB) But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. [talking in an orderly way between who speaks (stands) and the one who listens (sits)]
(1Co 14:31 NASB) For you can all prophesy [interpret] one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; [instruction for a group discussion]
(1Co 14:32 NASB) and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; [the interpretations have to be made by all in the same spirit of teaching and learning]

The interpretation of the scripture done by someone must be scrutinized by others to verify if the meaning of that scripture meets a truthful interpretation. In other words, the interpretation must be judged by others who also can tell their interpretations. It must be an orderly discussion so that all can give their opinion, and all may learn from it. The normal way of a Sabbath talk.

2)
1Jo 4:1-2 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
Note: If there were no true prophets, there would be no need to “test the spirits”—because every prophet would be a “false prophet”. But because there are both true prophets and false prophets, we need to “test the spirits”.

(1Th 5:21 KJV) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Does ‘prove all thing’s mean the scriptures can be wrong and therefore we must find out if they are true or false by proving all things? It is not the scriptures that are in doubt but our interpretation and knowledge that must always be examined against all scriptures.

The same applies to 1John4:1. We must examine the words of those who claim to be prophets against God’s word and the prophets of old to see if they have the same spirit of prophecy. It will show that, what they claim are prophecies, are not God given because, according to our Savior, there are no prophets after John the Baptist, and the scripture cannot be broken. What they claim to be prophecies are interpretations only, like interpretations that can be made by anybody, and then their validity must be questioned. (See Paul’s directions for group discussions)

We must not trust teachers, we must not believe every spirit, but try them by the word of God. It is each Christian’s obligation to search for the truth and make an informed decision between right and wrong, because of (Php 2:12 LITV) …cultivate your salvation with fear and trembling,

3)
Rev 1:1-3 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants — things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
The last book of the Bible is a prophecy inspired by Christ, given to the apostle and prophet named John.

(Heb 1:1 NASB) God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
(Heb 1:2 NASB) in these last days [Paul’s time] has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

(continued)

Anonymous said...

No Prophets (part 2)
The words in Matthew11:13 are Yeshua’s words., and all prophecies are given by Him. Yeshua is not talking about Himself regarding prophecy but about the prophets. The Master talks about His servants the prophets. The Law was given, the prophecies were given to the end of time, nothing has to be added by prophets. All prophetic information given by the Lord are explanations of prophecies which were given by the prophets during OT times.
It is not the angel or John who speaks or prophecies, now the First and the Last gives a direct message to His people, His assembly.

Side note
The whole book of Revelation must be a message specifically to God's people only. It begins with the message to God's seven assemblies and ends with:
(Rev 22:16 NASB) "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
(Rev 1:1 NASB) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,
(Rev 1:2 NASB) who testified [witnessed / reported] to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.

It is a message with seven descriptions of the character (strengths and faults) of His assembly, written in one scroll to ALL assemblies. That scroll is sent to the leader of each synagogue, the messenger who must read the message to the assembly. All messages are addressed to the individual overcomer (who, him), and they all will get the same reward regardless of time, location, or name. You will sit on the thrown only when you get a crown, and you will get a crown only when you are clothed in white.

The Overcomer
Ephesus - will eat of the tree of life
Smyrna - will not be hurt by the second death
Philadelphia - will get a crown
Laodicea - will sit down on the throne
Thyatira - will get authority over nations
Pergamum - will get a new name
Sardis - will be clothed in white
(Rev 21:7 LITV) The one overcoming will inherit all things, and I will be God to him, and he will be the son to Me.
Continued

Anonymous said...

No Prophets (part3)

4)
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.
There is no Old Testament prophecy about a “seventh angel” and very little about a “mystery of God”.

No seventh angel
That is why the seventh angel is mentioned in the book of Revelation.
Very little about a “mystery of God”
Before one can talk about the “mystery of God” he has to know what specifically was preached to the prophets by the First and the Last. What is the “mystery of God”? It had to be revealed to the prophets before John’s time.

5)
Rev 10:10-11 Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”

10:11 And he said to me is given to you again time to prophesy unto the nations and peoples and languages and kings many. (The Interlinear Aramaic-English Glenn David Bauscher Peshitta Holy Bible The New Testament Translated 2014 - p574)

John probably will let all the world know about the contents of the little scroll before the seventh trumpets, Christ’s return. The literal translation from the Aramaic can give you the impression that ‘again’ is not linked to prophecy but to ’time’ in the sense of the work he had done before.

6)
Matt 23:37-39 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! “See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’ “

History right up to Yeshua’s time.

No new prophets and AFTER PAUL NO MORE APOSTELS as the scriptures indicate.

Anonymous said...

Anon, Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:19:00 AM PDT, wrote:
"...No Prophets (part3)

4)
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.
There is no Old Testament prophecy about a “seventh angel” and very little about a “mystery of God”.

No seventh angel
That is why the seventh angel is mentioned in the book of Revelation.
Very little about a “mystery of God”
Before one can talk about the “mystery of God” he has to know what specifically was preached to the prophets by the First and the Last. What is the “mystery of God”? It had to be revealed to the prophets before John’s time.....
******
But, there was a seventh angel! You, or whoever you are quoting from, just didn't recognize it.

As it turns out there are three sets of "7 angels" in the Book of Revelation.

One set is associated with the 7 Vials/Plagues, still future.

One set is associated with the 7 Trumps, still future.

And one set is associated with the 7 Churches, 7 congregations, 7 eras; there is no 8th angel, church, congregation or era.

That 7th angel had nothing to do with the Trumps or the Vials, but had a commission in the fulfillment of the Laodicean era, the 7th era, or 7th congregation, or 7th Church.

What did Revelation 10:7 say?

"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

So, When did the 7th angel's voice begin to sound? What did the 7th angel accomplish through that 7th Church, congregation, era via Joe Tkach senior? It, obviously, is different from what the previous 6 angels accomplished earlier?

A mystery was just a secret. What was revealed? We know there is no need for a 3rd resurrection. No need for a Doug Winnail mickey mouse millennium with "another Jesus" very soon to reign on earth for 1,000 years. Might any of that have anything to do with a mystery, a secret, that Doug did not know? Doug and other xcog hirelings who fled the former WCG to establish something to provide themSELVES retirement $money$ until what? Until another Jesus comes? Until more milk and spiritual junk food is distributed to their followers?

It's amazing how many uncaring hirelings think there will be more wages, penalities, to be paid by human beings for their many sins: as if the wages of death weren't enough. Did God lie to us?

Time will tell...

John

Anonymous said...

Well, I learned a lot from Norm Edwards. He helped me to leave Armstrongism. I thought he was doing a good job and seemed honest. Of course, since then, I have moved on to other things.

Anonymous said...

(Joh 10:35 NASB)the Scripture cannot be broken

But scripture is not what most people think it is.