Remember this guy? He is Michael Noordhoek , aka Zerubabel. He is back again weighing in on the Bud Light controversy and other asinine topics. This is the same guy who claimed his stepdaughter was a prophetess and she was going to bear his manchild. One thing that is going for this is that his videos are WORSE than Bob Thiel's, though not by much.
For decades the Church of God has had all kinds of Elisha's, Elijah's, Joshua's, Jeremiah's, and any other Old Testament heroes that COG members like to latch onto. They all had a message that they thought was vital to the church and its wayward members. Almost all of these men are dead just like their OT namesakes. That still has not stopped modern-day fools like Almost-ordained Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, and Ron Weinland. Bob Thiel was so inspired by this guy that he decided to start his own church after seeing Zerubbabel. If this guy can do it then anyone can!
Have you ever noticed that none of these guys ever latch onto Jesus or any new covenant personality? God forbid if they ever had to act like James, John, Peter, or any of the other apostles. After all, the apostles were vile Gracites, as all modern-day prophets and apostles are quick to let us know. They think what the church needs is religious zealots from Hebrew times preaching the law!
The person we need to thank for Zerubbabel is Ron Weinland. This idiot was also a member of Ron Weinland's cult. Zerubbabel now has to live here in the United States in Arizona after both Greece and Israel kicked him out of their countries. He, his wife, and his stepdaughter live in a shack in the desert where the kitchen, living room, and bedroom are all in one room.
This mentally ill man claims that Jesus is the first of the Two Witnesses and that he, Zerubbabel, is the Second Witnesses. Jesus is also the first of three prophecied "man-child's," with Zerubbabel being the second "man-child." The third is undetermined (but is probably Bob Thiel since he currently is the biggest man-child the church has ever seen). I digress, the third man-child was to be birthed by his stepdaughter.
If you remember, he proclaimed himself to be the new King of Israel and his stepdaughter a prophetess. He has also professed to see "the sign" of Revelation 12's virgin in the sky which "proves" his step-daughter is this prophetess...and that she is also to bear a son by HIM, the King of Israel. He believed he was SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CHILD WITH HIS STEPDAUGHTER...Who at that time was a minor...she is to have this "prophetic "third man-child".
For some reason with what you read above, and with Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, and Gerald Flurry in the mix, people still want to claim Armstrongism is a legitimate belief system! These spiritual degenerates continue to spring forth out of the dregs of the cesspool that the church has spiraled down to as they claim to speak for the church. Zerub doesn't. Dave Pack doesn't. Gerald Flurry doesn't and Bob Thiel most assuredly doesn't.
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I have met Michael Noordhoek personally. He is actually very strongly against Herbert W Armstrong and very anti-WCG.
He spent some time trying to convince me how wrong Herbert Armstrong was and how he was right.
I just wanted to say that, because he is closer to the viewpoint of NO2HWA than Herbert W Armstrong. That's from my personality witness of face to face discussion with Michael Noordhoek.
Nobody can prove that Theil, Pack, Zerubbabel or Scriptor are not prophets of God. The bible is too flexible for that.
I just wanted to say that, because he is closer to the viewpoint of NO2HWA than Herbert W Armstrong. That's from my personality witness of face to face discussion with Michael Noordhoek.
In what ways is Noordhoek closer to the viewpoint of NO? What notable doctrines or prophecies do they have in common?
Are you kidding me? They are easy to prove false prophets.
Oh geez, not the Bud Light nonsense.
Are you kidding me? They are easy to prove false prophets.
Did the prophecies of Jesus or Moses or Isaiah come true? False prophets every one.
They are both anti-HWA, and anti-WCG, and in my opinion closer to Grace Communion International's doctrines than that of the doctrines of the Worldwide Church of God and Mr. Armstrong.
So in relation to Herbert W Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God, they have more in common with each other.
First if all, the term "bud" can refer to two different categories of intoxicant. When capitalized, as in "Bud", it refers to Budweiser. When all lower case letters are used, "bud", it refers to cannabis. Curaleaf and other dispensaries of the second "bud" have not endorsed any sexual orientations to my knowledge.
With regard to differences between Gary and the various "prophets" of Armstrongism or "news interpreters" (as some style it to avoid the label of false prophet), minor differences in point are not actually the criteria that come to my mind when making comparisons. The huge, obvious, glaring difference is that Gary is sane and sound-minded. The people who believe and teach the Armstrong prophecy mold, by Einstein's definition, embody the very definition of insanity. That rooster crowed back in 1975! The cheese done slid off their crackers a long time ago.
I beg to differ with you Anon @ 4:28, big time! I can prove every single one of them ( Thiel, Pack, Flurry) is a false prophet. First and foremost, they do not even understand the One Triune God they claim to represent. Secondly, they all still cling to the Old Testament, more specifically, the Old Covenant, which Jesus Christ fulfilled 2,000 years ago. Why would God use prophets now, to prophesy about things already fulfilled? Not all, I grant you, but these fools are going over history that was done and dusted before Jesus was even born. Or, if they speak contrary to the Word of God, He did not send them. Lastly, if what these false prophets say does not come to pass, we know from God Himself, that He did not send them.
So, let's see. One wrong prediction (as Thiel calls them) and God says I did not send you. How many wrong guesses as to the return date of Jesus has Dave had in the last 12 months? 40+? Helen Keller could see he is a false prophet. And every last one of them speaks contrary to the Word of God. They are in the wrong Testament for a modern day prophet and believe contrary to the New Covenant, which we are under now, as believers. There. Done. Proven false. As for Scriptor, I am unaware that he claims to be a prophet. As for Zerrubabel, he is on a different planet, where clearly, no psychiatrists dwell.
First and foremost, they do not even understand the One Triune God they claim to represent.
So what? The bible can be interpreted so that there is no Trinity. (Which is not the God they claim to represent anyway).
Secondly, they all still cling to the Old Testament, more specifically, the Old Covenant, which Jesus Christ fulfilled 2,000 years ago.
So what? The bible can be interpreted to support many OT doctrines and prophecies. Further, they don't teach the Old Covenant because that applied to the Jews. They consider themselves under the New Covenant. Further, JC did not fullfill everything.
Why would God use prophets now, to prophesy about things already fulfilled?
That's just your opinion. Other bible opinions differ. And many of the things they prophecy about are not already fulfilled.
if they speak contrary to the Word of God, He did not send them.
Which means that he has not sent you either.
Lastly, if what these false prophets say does not come to pass, we know from God Himself, that He did not send them.
You don't know anything from God himself, you only "know" what was passed on to you by humans and originally written by humans.
Further, there are things that Jesus said that have not come to pass.
How many wrong guesses as to the return date of Jesus has Dave had in the last 12 months?
So what? Even Jesus and Paul were off in their timing. Yet their words are still part of the Bible. So bad guesses do not disqualify anyone. Unfortunately.
every last one of them speaks contrary to the Word of God
I thought we were talking about the bible, not the word of God. Nobody knows what that actually is.
They are in the wrong Testament for a modern day prophet
Your opinion.
and believe contrary to the New Covenant, which we are under now, as believers.
Your interpretation. And they are belivers too. They just believe differently from other believers. Besides, there are plenty of things in the bible that "believers" like you don't actually seem to believe. Picking and chooising is the norm.
There. Done.
Done badly. But good enough for "believers."
As for Scriptor, I am unaware that he claims to be a prophet.
Does he not prophecy that "believers" will be saved?
by Einstein's definition, embody the very definition of insanity
By his definition, everyone is insane. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
I hit a nerve, obnoxious @ 11:09.
As to Scriptor "prophesying" that believers will be saved, that is not prophecy. That is fact. Now. Today. When you put your full faith in Jesus completed Atonement, you become a believer and are saved. You should try it. Might help your disposition.
I hit a nerve, obnoxious @ 11:09.
That non-answer implies that you must have hit that nerve while gnashing your own teeth.
What about the prophecy that the "believers" will be ressurected? Has that already happened also?
By Einstein's definition, insanity is trying to enlighten a believer, again and again, and expecting a different result when they cannot face the truth. I wonder what he would say about the believer. Are they doubly insane? Or just obstinate?
We all do things over and over and over. What Einstein meant was that once you have failed, it is insane to do exactly the same thing in the identical set of circumstances, and expect different results. The sane, and thinking person will learn by his mistakes and modify his approach, working to replace failure with success.
I wonder if Zerubababel would join the CCOG if Bob were to give him free vitamins. Or, maybe Bob would join Z-babble if he gave him one of thosecool linen ephods!
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