Tuesday, July 18, 2023

Sabbath Theories

 

CGI’s Vance Stinson’s Three Sabbath Theories

Lonnie Hendrix

This past Sabbath, Pastor Vance Stinson of the Church of God International delivered a sermon titled “Sabbath Theories.” The message began with a defense of the notion that Torah commandments can be divided into a number of categories (e.g., moral, judicial/civil, ceremonial). Mr. Stinson also asserted the preeminence of the Decalogue (Ten Commandments) within Torah and asserted that it constituted the “heart of the Old Covenant.” Believing himself to have established the principle that the Law can and should be divided into these categories, the pastor then proceeded to identify three theories (Transference, Replacement, and New Covenant Theology) used by traditional Christians to justify ignoring the Sabbath and worshipping on Sunday. Mr. Stinson went on to associate the Transference Theory with The Westminster Confession of Faith. Likewise, he associated the Replacement Theory with the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Indeed, he found much in those documents with which he could agree. Although he rejected all three theories, of course, he reserved much of his fire for what he referred to as “New Covenant Theology” (might that be because he thinks it most closely explains the view represented by my posts?).

First, it is important to begin where Mr. Stinson began – Should we regard the Law as a whole or a collection of categories which are severable from each other? While I have repeatedly acknowledged the value of dividing the Law into various categories to aid us in understanding it, Scripture ALWAYS regards the Law as a WHOLE (in both the Old and New Testaments). In the fourth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, we read: “And now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the rules that I am teaching you, and do them, that you may live, and go in and take possession of the land that the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you.” (Verses 1-2, ESV here and throughout, unless otherwise specified) A few verses on, in the same chapter, we read: “See, I have taught you statutes and rules, as the Lord my God commanded me, that you should do them in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.” (Verse 5) “And what great nation is there, that has statutes and rules so righteous as all this law that I set before you today?” (Verse 8) Moreover, to reinforce the notion that the Torah was to be viewed as a whole, we read near the conclusion of the chapter: “This is the law that Moses set before the people of Israel. These are the testimonies, the statutes, and the rules, which Moses spoke to the people of Israel when they came out of Egypt” (verses 44-45). Indeed, in the twelfth chapter, we read “Be careful to obey all these words that I command you.” And, at the very end of that twelfth chapter of the same book (Deuteronomy), we read: “Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.”

Likewise, in the New Testament, the writers constantly refer to THE LAW and the Prophets. Indeed, Jesus said that he came to this earth to fulfill both (Matthew 5:17). When Christ was asked about the greatest of the commandments in Torah, he answered that the commands to love God and our neighbors were the greatest (Matthew 22:34-39). Then, he concluded with “On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” (Verse 40) Indeed, we hear the echo of Christ’s teaching in Paul’s epistle to the saints at Rome – he wrote: “Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” (Romans 13:10) In other words, the WHOLE Law is fulfilled by love. Likewise, in his epistle to the saints of Galatia, Paul wrote: “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’” Earlier, in that same letter to the Romans, Paul had talked about the Law as a whole and mentions the “letter of the Law.” He wrote: “For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.” (3:20) Also, in that letter to the Galatians, Paul wrote: “I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.” (5:3) In the epistle of James, we read: “If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself,’ you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, ‘Do not commit adultery,’ also said, ‘Do not murder.’ If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.” (2:8-11) So, again, we see that in both the Old and New Testaments, the Law is treated as a WHOLE.

In fact, Mr. Stinson admits in his sermon that Scripture does NOT use the terms which he uses to describe different categories of laws. Even so, Mr. Stinson went on to suggest that the seventh chapter of Paul’s first epistle to the saints at Corinth demonstrated his contention that there are different categories of law. He said that Paul’s distinction between circumcision and the other commandments suggests/implies different categories of law (I Corinthians 7:19). Of course, if Paul is suggesting such a thing here, he clearly contradicts himself in his letters to the Romans and Galatians. Paul, however, was NOT contradicting himself in this instance. The context suggests that both those who were circumcised (Jews), and those who were not circumcised (Gentiles) should NOT concern themselves with this physical sign of the Old Covenant. Think about it, is Mr. Stinson suggesting that the command to circumcise males isn’t a component of Torah or the Old Covenant? Of course, NOT! The pastor knows that this is an integral part of the whole. Paul was NOT suggesting that the command to circumcise was somehow inferior to the other commandments. You see, Mr. Stinson’s theology DEMANDS dividing the Law into categories. It is the ONLY way that he can justify obligating Christians to obey some of Torah’s provisions while ignoring others! He can say that Christ abrogated the “judicial/civil” and “ceremonial” categories but enjoined his followers to observe the “moral” part of the Law. Again, it’s the only way CGI’s cherry-picking of Torah works!

I do agree with Mr. Stinson that the Decalogue (Ten Commandments) is the preeminent expression of Torah Law – written by the very finger of God. That is Scriptural. I also agree with him that the Ten Commandments are the “heart of the Old Covenant,” and that they cannot be separated from the rest. However, it seems to me like these facts are more supportive of my thesis (the Law as a WHOLE), than his (the Law divided into different categories). After all, just as the Decalogue summarized, encompassed, and represented the terms of the Old Covenant, Christ said that his two commandments summarized and fulfilled ALL of the Torah/Law!

After leaving the subject of the Law, Mr. Stinson began reading excerpts from The Westminster Confession of Faith. The pastor especially liked what it had to say about the Law (because it closely aligns with his own view of the Law). After a discussion of the Decalogue, we read there: “Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated under the New Testament. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any other, now, further than the general equity thereof may require. The moral law doth forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator who gave it. Neither doth Christ in the gospel any way dissolve, but much strengthen, this obligation.” Indeed, Mr. Stinson commented several times that he liked this stuff – that it was biblically sound (although, as we have pointed out, it is NOT).

However, Mr. Stinson did part company with the Westminster Confession when it came to the question of the Sabbath. Although he liked much of what they had to say about the Sabbath, he deserted them when he read: “As it is of the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which in Scripture is called the Lord’s Day, and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath.” Mr. Stinson characterized this as the “Transference Theory” of the Sabbath (that the obligation to observe the Sabbath had been transferred to Sunday). Now, although I have no problem with the folks who accept this Confession of Faith, I must agree with Mr. Stinson that this does NOT constitute a sound biblical justification for Sunday observance. From a Scriptural perspective, I believe that Christ renders the observance of ALL of the individual commandments of Torah unnecessary.

From there, Mr. Stinson went to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Once again, the pastor liked many of the things that they had to say about the Law and the Sabbath; but he did NOT like their stance on observance of the Sabbath. Now, although I think that Mr. Stinson’s characterization of The Westminster Confession was fair, I think that his characterization of the Catholic Catechism missed some of the nuance contained in that document with regard to the Law. For example, the document talks about a “Moral Law,” but it is clearly distinguished from Torah. We read there: “There are different expression of the moral law, all of them interrelated: eternal law – the source, in God, of all law; natural law; revealed law; comprising the Old Law and the New Law, or Law of the Gospel; finally, civil and ecclesiastical laws. The moral law finds it fullness and its unity in Christ. Jesus Christ is in person the way of perfection. He is the end of the law, for only he teaches and bestows the justice of God: ‘For Christ is the end of the law, that everyone who has faith may be justified.” Later, in speaking about Torah, we read: “The Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel. ‘The Law is a pedagogy and prophecy of things to come.’ It prophesies and presages the work of liberation from sin which will be fulfilled in Christ: it provides the New Testament with images, ‘types,’ and symbols for expressing the life according to the Spirit.” This is consistent with Paul’s statement in his letter to the saints at Colossae that food, drink, festivals, and the Sabbath were “shadows” of what was to come, but that the reality is found in Jesus Christ (2:16-17).

Nevertheless, once again, Mr. Stinson parted company with the Catholics over the issue of Sabbath observance. Although he liked this statement: “The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: ‘The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord…the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments.” I would point out that Christ commissioned his disciples to teach “them to observe all that I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:20). Mr. Stinson, however, does not share their belief that Sunday worship fulfills the “moral” commandment to “remember the Sabbath day.” The pastor labels this the “Replacement Theory.” Now, in so far as I believe that just like the other commandments, the Sabbath commandment pointed to Christ and was fulfilled by him, I would say that replacing Saturday with Sunday to “fulfill” the commandment is unnecessary and redundant.

Finally, Mr. Stinson labels what I have advocated “New Covenant Theology.” Now, if he means by that that we subscribe to the notion that the Old Covenant has been replaced by a New Covenant, he is absolutely correct. We read in the anonymous epistle to the Hebrews: “Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: ‘Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.’ In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” (8:6-13)

Pastor Stinson proceeded to “correct” New Covenant Theology’s mischaracterization of the fourth chapter of this same epistle to the Hebrews. He claims that this passage is NOT speaking of the Sabbath in the present sense, but in the future – eschatological sense. First, we should note that the thought actually begins in the third chapter of that book. We learn there that the Israelites were unable to enter God’s rest because of their unbelief. Then, in chapter four, we read: “Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. Now we who have believed enter that rest…” (verses 1-3, NIV) Now, Mr. Stinson made much of something that was said a little later in the fourth chapter. We read there: “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.” (Verses 9-11) He said that this could not refer to the present Christian Age, because our works cannot be said to currently equate with God’s works. The passage, however, does not suggest that our works are the equivalent of God’s works. On the contrary, it specifically draws attention to the fact that we would cease working just as God had ceased working. In other words, the nature of the works themselves is unimportant, and they would obviously be different!

Mr. Stinson went on to characterize this position as “Jesus is my Sabbath, so I don’t need a day to worship.” Nothing could be further from the truth. This same epistle establishes the need for regular fellowship and worship with like-minded people (Hebrews 10:25).

No, Mr. Stinson, the Old Covenant is NOT the same as the New Covenant. It’s provisions were NOT transferred to, and made a part of, the New Covenant. The Law of Christ is NOT the same as the Torah/Mosaic Law. The two commandments, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind, and You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” do comprehend and summarize Torah, including those “moral” laws, “natural” laws, Ten Commandments, etc. Nevertheless, unlike the individual commandments which the Israelites were required to keep as part of their covenant with God, the New Covenant Christian must apply these principles to every situation and circumstance he/she will face in this life. It isn’t that Torah was abrogated or “done away with.” Rather, it is that Christ fulfilled it for us – rendering our attempts to obey those individual commandments redundant/unnecessary. Christ fulfilled it ALL. Everything in Torah pointed to him. Torah was the shadow – Christ is the reality. We don’t need the written code, the letter, anymore. The two commandments go to the intent of the Law – love. They make its internalization and spiritualization possible. Christ said that “not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” (Matthew 5:18) He accomplished ALL of it – It is finished! And that, my friend, is why God will accept the worship of those who have accepted Christ on Saturday, Sunday, or any other day of the week! “For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” (Matthew 18:20)

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jesus didn't obey the law....so you don't have to. He didn't end the law. He magnified it, showing how you should obey, not just by the letter but also by the spiritual intent of the law.

Anonymous said...

Jesus didn't obey the law....so you don't have to. He didn't end the law. He magnified it, showing/stating how you should obey, not just by the letter but also by the spiritual intent of the law.

Anonymous said...

People need to research Sunday keeping and religion all the way back to Egypt 4500 years ago. Otherwise they are not serious about the history of the church.

Anonymous said...

More Jesuit filth to lead people away from the truth. Their purpose was to infiltrate the church which they did a good job of years ago to make people stop following the truth Mr. Armstrong restored. Not content to destroy the church as it was they seek to continue today to destroy what is left.

Anonymous said...

Well written, logical and persuasive. But Armstrongists have been rejecting these arguments for decades by means of various rationalizations. An extensive amount of material is available online that argues cogently that the Sabbath has lapsed with the rest of the OT. My guess is that the average Armstrongist is not even curious about this material. They deal in the same worn arguments that were around last century.

Herman Hoeh viewed the laws, statutes and judgements as being a magnification of the Ten Commandments and based on the Ten Commandments. Hoeh regarded the ritual law as something added later (the exegesis for this is flawed) and therefore could be dropped as an add-on. The laws, statutes and judgements, Hoeh believed, existed before the Law of Moses and could not be abolished by any New Covenant changes. He based this on Genesis 26:5. This means that Armstrongists are on the hook to obey everything except the ritualistic laws and the ministration of death. I believe they have manipulated the concept of “ritual” to exclude what they do not want to keep. And I doubt if they have a coherent way of dealing with the ministration of death. Obviously, it is not right to stone someone any longer but what about the non-lethal aspects of this same legislation. I doubt that the moral content died with the associated death penalty. So, one could make a compelling argument that the moral content of the ministration of death is still in force. What then does that look like as a body of legislation sans death penalty?

What I mean to point out is that when the New Covenant authors stated that the Torah had been rendered obsolete, they meant in its entirety. There is no policy in the NT that explains how the issues in the previous paragraph are to be resolved. The Jews after 70 AD had to go through extraordinary effort at the Academy at Jamnia to figure out how to package the Torah so it could be kept after the Fall of the Temple. The result was Rabbinic Judaism - Judaism sans Temple. Armstrongists have never done this comprehensive packaging. So, they don’t know whether to wear tassels on their clothing or not. And if you don’t stone your delinquent son at the gates of the city, then what do you do to keep this commandment? Not treating the Torah as a whole and trying to retain it, leads to much confusion. Would God make this, if everyone’s salvation hinges on the observance of the Torah, so confusing?

Scout

Anonymous said...

It has always intrigued me at the number of COG members who buy into the Jesuit conspiracy theory that they are the ones who brought down the Worldwide Church of God. These members never opened their eyes to the fact that the church was already imploding from its corruption and false doctrines. Whether or not the Tkachs did what they did is irrelevant. the church was already in a downward spiral.

Anonymous said...

“Even so, Mr. Stinson went on to suggest that the seventh chapter of Paul’s first epistle to the saints at Corinth demonstrated his contention that there are different categories of law. He said that Paul’s distinction between circumcision and the other commandments suggests/implies different categories of law (I Corinthians 7:19.”

I should have seen this coming. There is no difference between the laws of Circumcision and the Sabbath in their legal concept. We have the following characteristics:

1. Both were existed before the giving of the Law of Moses.

2. Both are of paramount importance. Circumcision is connected to the promises of Abraham which model Christian salvation. The seventh day Sabbath was contained in the Ten Commandments. Both were incorporated into the Torah.

3. Both are considered eternal.

4. Both have been retained in the New Testament as a New Circumcision and a New Sabbath whose significance is spiritual and not physical. Circumcision is of the heart and we rest in Christ.

When Paul confronted the Circumcision Party in Galatia he stated that anyone who follows the Torahic practice of circumcision is a debtor to do the whole law (Galatians 5:3). He clearly considered the Law of Circumcision to be representative of the Torah as a whole – without categorical discrimination. This means that the Torahic Law of Circumcision models the Torahic Law of the Sabbath. In both cases, the Letter has been set aside.

Scout

RSK said...

Considering the ancient Egyptian work week was 10 days long, I'm not sure to what you refer...

Anonymous said...

Actually, what is left out and avoided like the plague here is the downfall of the WCG was clearly part of prophecy. Sermons were given early on that it was going to happen. Of course, nobody remembers that today, nor paid attention. Right?

Eyes to see but can’t, ears to hear but can’t…. Etc., etc., etc.

RSK said...

"It has always intrigued me at the number of COG members who buy into the Jesuit conspiracy theory that they are the ones who brought down the Worldwide Church of God."

Oh, so THATS what the occasional Jesuit reference around here is about. I never heard that theory that I can recall. I just thought it was some random dude who had such a fascination with the Jesuits that he couldn't quit bringing them up, like TradingGuy and his constant appeal to the parable of the talents.

RSK said...

Well, on a cursory search, I found multiple players from different eras of WCG being accused of being "Jesuits". Why that particular group, though, I don't know. Even found Samuele Bacchiococci (sp?) defending himself against the same accusation and saying the rumor was popular in SDA circles.

Anonymous said...

When all is over! That is, after the Judgement!

Revelation 22:14 - after the Judgement:

Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Should be

Blessed are they that have full of love, that they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Anonymous said...

...."the letter has been set aside."
???????????????????????????????????????
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Anonymous said...

4:50

The Law was set aside. Hebrews proclaims it obsolete. But the New Covenant reinstates some of the laws. That is what we would expect since both the Torah and the Law of Christ are both derived from God's eternal moral law. But the legislations are both quite different even though there is an intersection.

Scout

Anonymous said...

Lonnie wrote: And that, my friend, is why God will accept the worship of those who have accepted Christ on Saturday, Sunday, or any other day of the week! “For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” (Matthew 18:20Open in Logos Bible Software (if available))

Well, technically that doesn’t speak well for the majority since they won’t use, speak, or accept His name. So, how can they gather together in His name? Plus they never, it seems, to check how the Bible uses the word “name,” but relies on how modern definitions use the word.

Hundreds of verses never use the words “name and names” as modern English does. So that might bring into question your statement.

Anonymous said...

Vance Stinson is a minister in a church group derived from the Armstrongs.

Apologetics: The branch of theology which is concerned with defending or proving the truth of Christian doctrines.

Bias is always an integral part of apologetics. Most who indulge in apologetics claim divine inspiration. They all want us to believe that they have a magic Holy Spirit decoder ring.

Of course, Mr. Stinson is going to develop conclusions which support the basic teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong, just as a Catholic priest will come to conclusions which support official Catholic doctrine. That is their job, if not their calling. Their commision does not involve neutrality or objectiveness.

Wouldn't it be nice if AI were advanced enough in development that we could input the Bible, and AI woild provide us with accurate doctrinal conclusions? Due to the foibles of human nature, we can never get a proper conclusion from people who are biased in favor of Armstrongism, or people who are biased against Armstrongism.

NO2HWA said...

RSK wrote:
""It has always intrigued me at the number of COG members who buy into the Jesuit conspiracy theory that they are the ones who brought down the Worldwide Church of God."

Oh, so THATS what the occasional Jesuit reference around here is about. I never heard that theory that I can recall. I just thought it was some random dude who had such a fascination with the Jesuits that he couldn't quit bringing them up, like TradingGuy and his constant appeal to the parable of the talents."

The Jesuit lunacy had its start with a church member in Pasadena. It quickly spread due to the church's emphasis on Hislop's Two Babylons which was used as "gospel truth" for many decades. Most of the crazy conspiracy theories that spread around the church originated with Pasadena church members. There were Jesuits, Catholics, and demons behind every rock and tree which were trying their best to destroy the church and the truth once delivered.

In the mid to late 70's the books of Gary North were widely read by church members in Pasadena. There were newsstands placed within two blocks of the campus that passed out free books of his. Though he dealt more with dominionism, there was still a broad swipe at Catholicism in his books, which fed the appetites of conspiracy-laden church members and employees.

Another group was passing around a book that dealt with the visions of Fatima and how the third vision was so horrific that even the Catholic church trembled at its message. It was another sure sign the end of the age was at hand.

Many of these crazy conspiracies got their footing during the receivership. During that wild time, everyone and everything was out to get the church.

NO2HWA said...

I forgot to add to the above another conspiracy theory that was widely promoted, again by Pasadena employees/church members.

There were supposedly concentration camps secretly built all around the country that were going to b used to imprison and torture Sabbath Keepers. One of those camps was supposed to be here locally in Glendale, CA in the hills above Brand Park. I've hiked the hills and spent time in Brand Park's historical buildings. There is no camp on the hillsides. Sadly, this was not a story unique to the WCG but was one also promoted by far-right news sites predicting the imminent demise of the United States under the Clinton administration.

And, I can't forget the widely read Protocols of Zion that spread around the church. If it wasn't the Jesuits out to destroy the church it was the Jews. There was always a bogeyman ready to strike at poor innocent church members.

Anonymous said...

Everything is up in the air at this late date, 6:56. Every time you translate from one language to another, the result is a paraphrase. Cultural nuances have been obscured or lost over the centuries. Fundamentalism, legalism, inerrancy, and literalism do not produce tenable beliefs or lifestyles. The one timeless concept which is salvageable, and certain, is the Golden Rule, which is the practical application of the TGCOL.

Attempts to extrapolate a culture which was given to an ancient middle eastern nation over the entire modern world is neither feasible, or practical. Calendars are a mess, the Temple no longer exists, and the tribes are spread out all over the diaspora, or have been assimilated into the melting pots. Women are no longer chattel.

Lord Jeef said...

Anonymous wrote:

"Wouldn't it be nice if AI were advanced enough in development that we could input the Bible, and AI woild provide us with accurate doctrinal conclusions? Due to the foibles of human nature, we can never get a proper conclusion from people who are biased in favor of Armstrongism, or people who are biased against Armstrongism."

I asked an AI "Should Christians keep the Sabbath?", and here is what it said:

As an AI language model, I can provide information based on biblical teachings. The Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments given by God in Exodus 20:8-11, where He commands His people to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. The Sabbath was established as a day of rest and worship, a sign of the covenant between God and His people.

Throughout the Old Testament, we see the observance of the Sabbath being emphasized and practiced by the Israelites. In the New Testament, Jesus Himself honored the Sabbath and taught about its significance (Luke 4:16). The apostles and early Christian believers also observed the Sabbath (Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4).

However, it is important to note that the Sabbath observance should not be a legalistic burden or a means of salvation. In Colossians 2:16-17, the apostle Paul encourages believers not to let anyone judge them regarding Sabbath observance, as it is a shadow of things to come, with the substance being found in Christ.

Ultimately, the decision to observe the Sabbath as a Christian is a matter of personal conviction and understanding of Scripture. Some Christians choose to observe the Sabbath on Saturday, the seventh day of the week, while others worship on Sunday, commemorating the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Both beliefs are held by sincere believers with different interpretations of biblical teachings.

It is important to approach this topic with love, respect, and understanding towards fellow believers who may hold different views. The focus should be on honoring God, seeking His guidance, and fostering a spirit of unity within the body of Christ.

Lord Jeef said...

Prompt: What did Jesus say about the Sabbath?

AI: Jesus spoke about the Sabbath on several occasions, emphasizing its importance and proper observance. He taught that the Sabbath was made for the benefit of humanity, to provide rest and a time for worship and reflection. Here are a few key teachings of Jesus regarding the Sabbath:

The Sabbath was made for man: In Mark 2:27, Jesus said, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Jesus emphasized that the Sabbath was a gift from God, intended to bless and benefit humanity. It is a day of rest and spiritual rejuvenation.
Doing good on the Sabbath: Jesus taught that acts of mercy and kindness were permissible on the Sabbath. In Matthew 12:12, he said, "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." He healed the sick, performed miracles, and demonstrated compassion on the Sabbath, showing that acts of love and service were consistent with the spirit of the Sabbath.
Sabbath observance: Jesus upheld the importance of keeping the Sabbath according to God's commandments. In Luke 4:16, it is mentioned that Jesus went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, as was his custom. He observed the Sabbath as a time for worship and teaching.
It is important to note that Jesus never criticized or abolished the Sabbath. Instead, he corrected misunderstandings and emphasized the proper observance of the Sabbath. As followers of Christ, we can learn from his teachings and seek to honor the Sabbath as a sacred time set apart for rest, worship, and fellowship with God.

RSK said...

Heh, I do remember the Clinton-era camps, which later morphed into empty Walmarts as prisons under Obama.

RSK said...

Sure, 3:12, I remember some of that. Tended to tune out the speculative details though.

BP8 said...

There is basically 2 ways to teach anyone anything-- written instruction
and by example. In my opinion, the Bible itself falls into this model.

The OT is that which "is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, and able to make one wise unto salvation", while the NT methodology completes the process by " faith which is in Christ Jesus", 2Tim.3:14-16.

The written word says, "remember the sabbath to keep it holy"! If that's all one has to work with, one might be prone, as the ancient and modern pharisees, to interpret that command in a variety of ways. But enter the example of the Son of God: He not only acknowledged the authority of the written word, but He exemplifies HOW that word (the law and sabbath) should be observed, Luke 6:2-9.

It has been admitted by chief contributors to this blog that the apostles continued to observe the sabbath years after the resurrection, after everything was fulfilled, after everything was spiritualized, and after the NC was inaugurated. Also, we still find the NT writers specifically referring to and promoting the law of Moses (1 Cor.9), the law of clean, unclean meats (Acts 10:14), the holydays (1 Cor.5:7-8) and the decalogue as binding (Romans 7:1-7, 1 Cor.7:39, Ephesians 6:1-2, James 2:8-10)! In my mind, these scriptures refute much of the logic presented by many of the commentators on this site. One can advocate that now it's all about " love", but NT usage demonstrates otherwise! Love is an accurate summation and explains how the law is fulfilled, but it's not a new standard of itself.

We can play fast and loose with the OC/NC and argue about how the law fits into God's plan, but I'm going to assume that the examples given to us by Christ and the apostles are the best commentary we have on these topics. I believe they wouldn't exemplify one thing then preach something else!

As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words!

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Scout,

Your commentary regarding Sabbath and circumcision constituted a logical and persuasive argument against Mr. Stinson's interpretation of I Corinthians 7:19.

BP8 Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 3:00:00 PM PDT,

Your argument here in support of Sabbath observance is cogent and well-articulated. Indeed, in my opinion, it represents the best argument in support of that notion in this thread.

Even so, your argument ignores the obvious - that Jesus and his disciples were ALL people of the Covenant (the one God made with the children of Israel - the one that we call the OLD Covenant because of Jesus of Nazareth). Once again, we EXPECT to find them observing the provisions of Torah. The Temple was still extant at that time (it wasn't destroyed until 70 CE). And, there is that other elephant in the room - Jesus Christ HAD TO FULFILL the Torah's requirements - that was an integral part of the plan!

Now, as to the examples/actions which you referred to in your comments, we must acknowledge that there are some profound differences between our world and theirs. They are: 1) We (Christians) are now living our lives after (and in light of) THE EVENT - JESUS CHRIST, 2) The Old Covenant has been replaced with a NEW and better one, and 3) The Temple no longer exists (making Torah observances outlined therein physically impossible to perform - and I'm not talking about sacrifices).

Finally, I believe the Law of Parsimony (Occam's Razor) must have some role to play in this conversation. The notion that God would expect his children to formulate categories of Law to help them to determine which commands of Torah are still applicable to Christians has to be viewed with a raised eyebrow. Think about it, Gentiles (folks with little exposure to, and ZERO background/experience in, Torah observance are going to wade into this body of legislation and make those kinds of choices/decisions? On the other hand, we have the notion put forward in this post that Christ personified and fulfilled Torah and summarized it into two great principles for his followers to put into practice. Which notion best reflects the simplicity we have in Christ?

Anonymous said...

BP8

You have some very mistaken notions about what the Bible says regarding the Sabbath. I am not going to parse through it with you in detail. Miller Jones has already done that, apparently to no avail. Let me just frame a few questions.

If the NT "completes" the OT, then why does it state that the OT is "obsolete" in the book of Hebrews?

Jesus was born under the Law and kept the Law all during his lifetime down to the jot and tittle until all was fulfilled. Jesus was ritually circumcised, have you or your family members been ritually circumcised? Jesus and his family observed the sacrifices. Do you and you family observe the sacrifices? Do you do it in Jerusalem at the Temple as prescribed by the OC as Jesus did?

Early Christian brothers may have held services on the seventh day. But we know from Pauline theology that they did not believe that the Sabbath was a requirement for salvation. Do you have this same approach to salvation that the early church had - that it is not a requirement for salvation?

Was Paul promoting the Law of Moses when he said that those who would be justified by law-keeping are severed from Christ and fallen from grace? Galatians 5.

I think there are some loose ends for you to consider.


Scout

Anonymous said...

Lord Jeef's inquiry of AI produced an answer which is amazingly similar to what Lonnie has shared with us.

I am sure that most of our ACOG member friends here will consider that answer to be for entertainment purposes only, but I also have to wonder what AI has to say about clean and unclean meats today, tithing, when to expect the return of Jesus Christ, and the national identities of Manasseh and Ephraim today.

It's probably a little early in the level of development of AI to pin it down to finer intensities of specifics, but it'd also be interesting to learn if
Bob Thiel could possibly be a prophet, or Dave Pack could be an Apostle.

BP8 said...

Scout, you are right. With 41,000 Christian denominations extant on this globe, there are many loose ends and mistaken notions to consider. One thing I'm not mistaken about is whether the Bible is the revealed word of God or merely a book of myths full of conflicting contradictions.

2 Timothy tells us the OT is profitable. You claim that Hebrews makes it obsolete!

Paul used as an authority the law of Moses. You say that severs him from Christ!

The fact is the law cannot be good, bad, binding, and obsolete at the same time. Which is it?

1 Timothy 1:8 tells us that "the law is good IF one uses it lawfully", meaning that it can be misused! Surely " context" is the determining factor is it not? In the context of right living, or seeing that an apostle laboring with us has plenty to eat and drink, the law is GOOD and the right thing to do. In the context of legalism and self performance and trying to earn salvation, the law is not good. But that's true for a lot of things. If one thinks he can be made righteous or more spiritual by fasting twice a week or praying 6 hours a day, he has made a law unto himself, has bypassed Jesus Christ, and that is not good!

No, I don't sacrifice animals or promote circumcision of the flesh. Romans, which is loaded with those pro and con statements concerning "law", states in chapter 7:6:

" but now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve (the law) in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter"

I think most of us believe this even if we use different terminology.

The OT says and Christ reaffirmed, "man shall not LIVE BY bread alone but by every word of God". How is this accomplished? " the just shall LIVE BY his faith" in what God says He will do (Hebrews 10:16). Thus in its proper context, the law is not voided through faith, but established (Romans 3:31).



BP8 said...

Lonnie.
Do I expect the average Joe to formulate categories of law or create a body of legislation to live by? No, God has already done that (2 Tim.3, Matt 4:4), and besides, I don't think the typical layman in this day and age really sweats the small details about mixed fabrics, unblemished animals, or how to treat slaves, even as most don't understand the fine print of the Constitution.

Apart from legalism and cultic behavior, "right living" is not all that difficult to comprehend, and most churches of this world already have a standard of conduct they adhere to which is patterned after 9 of the 10 commandments. Most will even acknowledge that sin is the transgression of the law!

A stumbling block I see is agreeing on which days, months, and times represent the will of God. Every church believes certain days should be observed, the question is, which ones and why? I wonder if those days shrouded with commercialism have the advantage here?

If you want simplicity, it doesn't get any easier than the example of Christ! Sure, He was circumcised as a child, but the life He lived as a grown man full of the holy spirit is the perfect model and wouldn't lead anyone astray. If He was living an old covenant lifestyle, you would never know it! He didn't wear or promote tassles, adhere to ceremonial washings, or follow the other nonsense of the pharisees. He focuses on the spiritual and practiced what He preached! But, but, but, He also kept that pesky sabbath!!!, how do we get rid of that?

I think it is a shame to continue to use an old covenant argument, of which the law was not the problem, to dismiss the example of Christ and make it of none effect!

Anonymous said...

Re the Jesuits conspiracy, I was raised as Catholic prior to converting to Armstrongism. I first learned of this conspiracy theory from a Baptist friend who had lots of Chick tracts and comics (by the late Jack T. Chick) which we would read every time I stayed at his place. I believe that Chick’s comic series on Alberto Rivera, particularly the first comic, which illustrated Alberto’s life and his claim that he was to infiltrate and destroy Protestant groups was the real inception for this conspiracy theory that then spread throughout various Protestant groups including evidently Armstrongists too. Whether this conspiracy theory goes back further I don’t know. But, that was how I was introduced to it and the reason I believe it originated with Jack Chick’s tract ministry.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Mr Stinson in that the "rest” is yet future:

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest [sabbatismos] to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest [katapausis], he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

"The rest which is reserved for the people of God is properly called a "sabbath rest" - a sabbatismos or "sabbath keeping" - because it is their participation in God's own rest. When God completed his work of creation, he "rested"; so his people, having completed their service on earth, will enter into his rest... the meaning is brought out clearly in the NEB rendering: "Therefore, a sabbath rest still awaits the people of God...

Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly... for he hath prepared for them a city.

"What then is this sabbath rest which awaits them? It is evidently an experience which they do not enjoy in their present mortal life, although it belongs to them as a heritage, and by faith they may live in the good of it here and now. How they may do so is illustrated with a wealth of biographical details in ch. 11. And in that chapter we have further references to the eternal homeland which is the heritage of believers, the saints' everlasting rest - the "better country, that is, a heavenly one" which they desire, the "city" which God has prepared for them, the well-founded city of which he is both architect and builder (11:10, 16).

Phil 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, (NIV).
2Ti 4:18a The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom.... (NIV).

"Of this city of God men and women of faith are citizens already, although the full exercise of their civic privileges in it is reserved for the future... this blissful rest in unbroken fellowship with God is the goal to which his people are urged to press forward; this is the final perfection which has been prepared for them by the sacrifice of their heavenly high priest.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

"It is for you," our author might well have told them (in the words of a younger contemporary of his), "that paradise is opened, the tree of life is planted, the age to come is prepared, plenty is provided, a city is built, rest is appointed, goodness is established and wisdom perfected beforehand" (4 Ezra 8:52)" (F.F Bruce, The Epistle to the Hebrews, Revised, NICNT, pp.109-10).

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

"..[Hebrews 4] vv 9-10 anticipate the festival of the priestly people of God in the heavenly sanctuary, celebrating in the presence of God the eternal Sabbath with unceasing praise and adoration (Hofius, Katapausis, 109-10)" (William L. Lane, Hebrews 1-8, WBC, p.102).

Anonymous said...

Millar writes:

“Think about it, Gentiles (folks with little exposure to, and ZERO background/experience in, Torah observance are going to wade into this body of legislation and make those kinds of choices/decisions?”

Some background of the early Gentile believers:

Ac 2:10b and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes [proselytoi],

Ac 6:5b and they chose ... Nicolas a proselyte [proselyton] of Antioch:

Ac 10:2 A devout [eusebes] man, and one that feared [phoboumenos] God [Theon] with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always.

“Whenever the Jews went in the Gentile world, their presence gave rise to two conflicting tendencies. On the one hand the Jew possessed the knowledge of the one true God; and amidst the universal corruption, idolatry, and superstition of the ancient world, this saving knowledge exercised a powerful attraction.” On the other hand, this knowledge was enshrined in a law that in many respects proved much less attractive (Rackham, p.240;...). Consequently, among those who were drawn to Judaism there were varying degrees of commitment. Some went the whole way, submitting themselves to instruction, circumcision, and baptism... More women then than men accepted Judaism, because of the circumcision in the case of men. Others, while not prepared to go so far, still worshiped and studied in the synagogues...” (David J. Williams, Acts, NIBC, p.122)

Ac 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Ac 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear [phoboumenoi] God [Theon], listen [akouo; cp. 16:14 below; cp. also 15:13].
Ac 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Ac 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

“They entered the synagogue: The synagogue in the Diaspora necessarily played a far more important part in Jewish life than did the synagogue in Judea. It was the general meetinghouse and community hub, the schoolhouse, the courthouse, and the archive, as well as the locus of religious education and worship. It was the synagogue that Paul and his colleagues went whenever they came to a new town... And the synagogue provided not only a convenient point for the Christian missionary but an audience prepared for the message. There were three more or less distinct groups of people to be found there: Jews by birth, proselytes, and God-fearers... The latter have been described as “providently prepared bridgehead into the Gentile world,” for they were an informed audience, familiar with the Scriptures and the messianic hope of the Jews, but at the same time aware that they were themselves excluded from that hope as long as they remained as they were. These God-fearers “always remained second-class citizens. Proselytes were buried in Jewish cemeteries in Jerusalem and Rome and elsewhere ... but not ‘God-fearers.’ From an official point of view, despite their visits to synagogue worship and their partial observance of the law, the ‘God-fearers’ continued to be regarded as Gentiles, unless they went over to Judaism completely through circumcision and ritual baptism” (Hengel, Acts, p.89)... They formed the nucleus of many of the early Christian congregations (along with a scattering of Jews), and through them the church had entry into the Gentile world that lay beyond the ambit of the synagogue” (David J. Williams, Acts, NIBC, pp.241-42).

Anonymous said...

Part 2

Ac 14:1 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

"In particular, the founding of different congregations according to Acts is at its roots a Jewish enterprise: It begins in the synagogue with Jewish and Gentile converts who are attached to the synagogue” (Robert W. Wall, the Acts of the Apostles, Vol.10, p.215).

Ac 16:13 On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there.
Ac 16:14 One of those listening [akouo, cp. 13:16 above; cp. also 15:13] was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper [sebomene] of God [Theon]. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message.
Ac 16:15 When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. "If you consider me a believer in the Lord," she said, "come and stay at my house." And she persuaded us.

"One of the implied conclusions of James's paradigmatic commentary on Amos is that God-fearing Gentiles attached to synagogues are preferred converts (see 15:20-21). The details of her spiritual biography are therefore similar to God-fearing Cornelius; she is a "worshipper of God, [who] was listening to us" (v.14; cf. 10:1-3)...

Ac 17:1 When they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue.
Ac 17:2 As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Ac 17:4 Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of worshipping [sebomenon] Greeks and not a few prominent women.

"In addition to these repentant Jews, characteristically mentioned first by Luke are "a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few leading women" (17:4). Probably nothing is indicated by Luke's separation of "devout" Gentiles from the important women who also converted; they are all attached to the synagogue" (Robert W. Wall, the Acts of the Apostles, Vol.10, p.231).

Ac 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

"It is noteworthy that most Gentile converts are those whom Paul finds in the synagogue... Even within the distinctive narrative world clear religious distinctions are made between Gentiles that a preference for God-fearers as more ready to embrace the gospel and to live in appropriate ways with their Jewish sisters and brothers. Perhaps the missionary subtext of James's halakhah is that uncircumcised Gentiles attached to the synagogue where Moses is preached every sabbath are to be privileged. If so, then certainly the Paul of Acts seems to agree, since he finds most of his Gentile converts in the urban synagogues of the Disapora..." (Robert W. Wall, the Acts of the Apostles, Vol.10, p.220).

Anonymous said...

Obsolete

Dt 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Dt 30:8 And thou shalt return [shub; cp. Jer 24:7 below] and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

Scout wrote in a previous thread:

“The Law was set aside. Hebrews proclaims it obsolete.”

"The logic of the book [of Hebrews] is based on ancient rhetorical patterns and pre-modern exegetical principles that makes the reader's task exceptionally difficult" (Richard Nelson, Raising Up a Faithful Priest - Community and Priesthood in Biblical Theology, p.141).

Heb 8:8b Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put MY LAWS into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new, he hath made the first old [obsolete, NIV]. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

“Obsolete,” in this midrash on “new”, refers to the first covenant; not to the law being set aside, or proclaimed to be obsolete.

The quote from Jeremiah in Hebrews, is the longest OT quote in the NT.

From Heb 8:10 God is going to write His laws on the hearts of His people; according to Moses, by circumcising their hearts.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new [kainos, LXX] heavens and a new [kainos, LXX] earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Heb 8:8b Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new [kainos] covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

“Out of context, Yahweh’s description of a new heaven and a new earth (v.17) would sound like an abandonment of this cosmos for the creation of a new one, but verse 18-25 make clear that the language refers to a radical transformation of this cosmos, specifically of the city in which the people live. “Creating a new ...” suggests “re-creating” (John Goldingay, Isaiah, NIBC, p.368).

“Jer 31 (LXX 38):31-34 is the only passage in the OT that promises the future establishment of a definite relationship with God that is described as qualitatively “new.” The central affirmation of the new covenant is the pledge of the law in the hearts of believers as the gift of God ([Heb 8] v 10)...

Jer 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return [shub] unto me with their whole heart.

“The quality of newness intrinsic to the new covenant is the new manner of presenting God’s law and not in newness of content. The people of God will be inwardly established in the law and knowledge of the Lord. The emphasis fall on the interior quality of the human response to God through the new covenant...

“The new covenant thus brings to its consummation the relationship between God and his people, which is at the heart of all covenant disclosure from Abraham onwards (cf. v 10c). The relationship between God and his people, which was the intention of the covenant concluded at Sinai but which was broken by the past failure of Israel to observe the conditions of the relationship established by God (v 9), will be restored. Redemptive grace reaches its zenith in the full and final realization of this promise through Christ...” (William Lane, Hebrews 1-8, WBC, pp.209-10).

Anonymous said...

Part 2

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put MY LAW [TORAH]in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

“When the items of continuity found in the New covenant are tabulated in this passage [31:31-34], they are: (1) the same covenant making God, "My covenant" [31:32]; (2) the same law, My torah (note, not a different one than Sinai); (3) the same divine fellowship promised in the ancient tripartite formula, "I will be your God; the same "seed" and "people," "You shall be my people";...

“There were items of discontinuity as well. If we to use all seventeen passages noted above, some of these would be: (1) a universal knowledge of God (Jer. 31:34); (2) a universal peace in nature and the absence of military hardware (Isa. 2:4; Hos. 2:18; Ezek 34:25; 37:26); (3) a universal material prosperity (Isa. 61:8; Hos. 2:22; Jer. 32:41; Ezek. 34:26-27); (4) a sanctuary lasting forever in the midst of Israel (Ezek. 37:26, 28); and (5) a universal possession of the Spirit of God (Joel 2:32ff.).

“In this list, the New covenant transcends all previous announcements of the blessings of God. Thus the word “new” in this context would mean the “renewed” or “restored” covenant (cf. Akkadian edesu “to restore” ruined temples, altars or cities; Hebrew hds connected with the new moon and Ugaritic hdt, “to renew the moon”).

"... Why call this covenant a "New covenant" especially since most of the content adduced in the "New" is but a repetition of those promises already known from the Abrahamic-Davidic covenant already in existence?...

"... the New is more comprehensive, more effective, more spiritual, and more glorious than the old - in fact, so much so that in COMPARISON it would appear as it were totally unlike the old at all...

"We conclude then that this covenant was the old Abrahamic-Davidic promise renewed and enlarged..." (Walter C. Kaiser, Jr., Towards an Old Testament Theology, pp.231-234).

BP8 said...

Great post 814 on the "law" and "covenants". You have restored continuity to the
"Force" !!

Anonymous said...

Thanks BP8.

Heb 8:8 ... Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new [kaine] covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 12:24a And to Jesus the mediator of the new [neos] covenant,

“The word for new (kaine) here points to something which is new in comparison with what has preceded it, whereas the alternative adjective (neos), applied to the covenant in 12:24, point to its freshness, compared with something old and worn out. Both aspects are full of meaning” (Donald Guthrie, Hebrews, TNTC, p.178)

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant

“But even in this passage [8:8-13] there is no hint of a new covenant which could extend to all people, Gentiles as well as Jews, as happened as a result of the gospel. Indeed it is worth noting that this universal aspect of the gospel finds no place in this epistle, but a sufficient explanation of this would be its restricted destination for a Jewish audience” (Donald Guthrie, Hebrews, TNTC, pp.177-78).