Our petulant crybaby prophet is back again whining about how little respect he gets. Never has the church seen one of its leaders so disrespected and maligned as we have today in 2023 when it comes to the Great Bwana to Africa and his 100 Caucasians. Jesus weeps as he sits at the right hand of God in sorrow over the greatest prophet he has ever sent to the church. Even after inspiring the dreams of the Great Bwana Mzungu, the people of God refused to acknowledge him as a legitimate COG leader.
The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel, the Chief Overlooker of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God has an article up about Zephaniah, Church of God Outreach Ministry, and Prophecy.
Unable to do any real research on his own, the Great Overlooker has to use Herbert Armstrong to bolster his upcoming comment which will ultimately end up being all about himself, as usual.
The prophet Zephaniah lived and wrote about 630 B.C.” (Armstrong HW. The Proof of the Bible, 1958).
Let’s look at some of how Zephaniah’s book starts off:
1 The word of the Lord which came to Zephaniah the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah.2 “I will utterly consume everythingFrom the face of the land,”Says the Lord;3 ‘I will consume man and beast;I will consume the birds of the heavens,The fish of the sea,And the stumbling blocks along with the wicked.I will cut off man from the face of the land,”Says the Lord.4 “I will stretch out My hand against Judah,And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem.I will cut off every trace of Baal from this place,The names of the idolatrous priests with the pagan priests —5 Those who worship the host of heaven on the housetops;Those who worship and swear oaths by the Lord,But who also swear by Milcom;6 Those who have turned back from following the Lord,And have not sought the Lord, nor inquired of Him.” (Zephaniah 1:1-6)
Jesus taught that His prophets were not heeded throughout history (e.g. Matthew 23:29-31; Luke 13:34, 16:31).
Strap yourselves in, here we go with the whining! He continues with a little blurb from the Temple Insitute and then lets his broken record skip again:
God had given Joseph dreams that his brothers would not heed. Furthermore, even though the situation in the world was bad, they were not taking the action they should have.
Something similar is happening now.
In Acts 2:17-18, the Apostle Peter said that God would provide dreams and prophets in the last days, but even most true Christians do not accept that. They are, at least figuratively, looking at themselves and not accepting what God is doing.
Hopefully, you believe the word of God and will act upon it!
So which Church of God prophet is receiving dreams from God? Is it Ron Weinland? Is it Dave Pack? Oh, wait! It's the Great Overlooker Bob! We should all be standing in awe of the Greatest man the church has ever seen! We should tremble on our knees at the mere mention of his name because HE and HE alone has been commissioned in these perilous end times with the job of unifying the church as one.
Now, there is something specifically for our time in the 21st century to consider as God inspired the Prophet Zephaniah to also write the following:
1 Gather yourselves together, yes, gather together, O undesirable nation, (Zephaniah 2:1)
Although it has certain misunderstandings, the Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary realized that the gathering together was intended for a religious group or assembly:
Zephaniah 2:1Gather yourselves together – to a religious assembly, to avert the judgment by prayers, (Joel 2:16, “Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders,” etc.) (from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1997, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
When are they to gather together?
2 Before the decree is issued, Or the day passes like chaff, Before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you, Before the day of the Lord’s anger comes upon you! (Zephaniah 2:2)
The gathering is to take place well before the day of the Lord (which happens about 2 1/2 years after the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24:21 begins) and before some type of decree is issued.
Who does God want to gather together?
The end time Christians.
Apparently, we need to add "The Great Unifier" to his name now, along with all of the other superficial titles he has taken up himself.
How do we know that Zephaniah 2:1-3 is related to Christians?
Because the decree is for the end time and because of what else God inspired Zephaniah to write:
3 Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. (Zephaniah 2:3a)
Then the Great Overlooker kicked into high gear making many references about HIMSELF:
The above is a reference to Christians as they are to be the “meek of the earth” (Matthew 5:5) and to Philadelphians who “have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility.” These are Philadelphian Christians who understand that church leaders need to have integrity and are willing to be humble enough to accept the authority of a church led by a low-level prophet in the absence of a clear apostle (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:11-15). They are humble enough to not think that they should remain ‘independent,’ as many who once were part of the old Worldwide Church of God, during this Laodicean time, have done.
Laodicea basically means “people decide” and most Christians in the end time have sadly decided not to follow true church governance for many reasons that they feel are justified, but that goes against what they biblically should do.
So there you have it boys and girls! Drop what you are doing and tell your current Church of God leader to pound sand because you are going to the ONE TRUE CHURCH, the MEEKEST church on earth! This is the ONLY church on earth that is seeking righteousness and humility! Never has the Church of God had a more humble church leader than we have in the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel! Bend your knees in his presence! But, most of all, the Great Bwana to Africa and his 100 Caucasians is a leader filled with INTEGRITY. Yes sir, Bob! Integrity hires scam translators, lets witchcraft be practiced, allows adultery in his leadership, lies about double blessings, and strikes out on his own in an act of rebellion against Rod Meredith. Yep, LOTS and LOTS of integrity there!
Then, in another act of frustration at constantly being rejected lashes out and labels everyone who dares to question him as Laodiceans who absolutely REFUSE to follow church government. Government, mind you, that he has in place in HIS little group, and not the government in any other COG's.
Now listen up all of you pitiful Laodiceans who REFUSE to follow the Great Bwana to Africa, your very salvation is at risk by not following him. You will NOT be a Philadelphia Christian. It is an impossibility in his eyes site. Only those in his church are TRUE Phialdphians.
And, there is something more that should make everyone tremble in their shoes, IF you're NOT part of the greatest Church of God in human history you will NOT know when it is time to flee to Petra or Pella where you will be privileged to listen to the Great Overlooker preach for 3 1/2 years - unless of of course, he is one of the two witless witnesses and is walking the streets of Jerusalem uttering prophecies or more likely bouncing in a chair in some dank hotel room with dirty curtains while thrusting his big fat Bible in the air as a final warning.
So who is going to utter this decree to gather together on one final entity to be trained? The Bob, of course..or one of his reps if he is doing important work elsewhere:
Put on your waders because the bullshit continues sot pile up:
5 Declare in Judah and proclaim in Jerusalem, and say:“Blow the trumpet in the land;Cry, ‘Gather together,’And say, ‘Assemble yourselves,And let us go into the fortified cities.’6 Set up the standard toward Zion.Take refuge! Do not delay!For I will bring disaster from the north,And great destruction.” (Jeremiah 4:5-6)
The decree to ‘gather together’ will be repeated in the area of Judah just before the time of great destruction.
Why a decree?
Apparently, to make it easier for people who read what Jesus said, to better understand that Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 and Daniel 9:27b and Daniel 11:31 had been fulfilled.
By whom will the decree be made?
The Bible says:
7 Surely the Lord God does nothing,Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.8 A lion has roared!Who will not fear?The Lord God has spoken!Who can but prophesy? (Amos 3:7-8)
The prophet may make the decree personally and/or pass it on to another authority in the church to make.
Who is the only Church of God in the 21st century to teach all of this?
The Continuing Church of God.
Liar!
Next, he pops his homeopathic cork over those who discount and mock his work! How dare they!
If you are not with the group that is leading the final phase of the work will you not be able to flee if you wait until the last moment? While that may be remotely possible for some, remember that God inspired Zephaniah to admonish God’s people to ‘gather together…before the decree is issued.’
Most will discount this and many will scoff. Most COGs do not have anyone considered to be a prophet, and in those other than CCOG who claim to have prophets, those prophets have been proven to be false (e.g. PCG, CGPFKG, TPM). But the Bible says that there will be prophets in the last days and that God does communicate with them in dreams and/or watch.
Here is his final proof of how fabulous he is:
The old WCG taught that Zephaniah had to do with being protected, yet few teach that today.
Since no later than 2007 I have written that Zephaniah had to do with Philadelphians being ‘gathered together’ so that they would be protected from the coming trial that will hit the earth.
We in the Continuing Church of God “have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:19, KJV).”
Should we not be “exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching” (Hebrews 10:25)?
We in the Continuing Church of God boldly teach the need for Philadelphians to be ‘gathering together’ today. Will you heed God’s instructions as the Prophet Zephaniah was inspired to write? Would you possibly like to be protected? If so, will you ‘gather together’?
Doesn't this make you want to gather with him?
36 comments:
Mockers delight. But at least Thiel is doing what he wants, the is freedom in that Thief's his own boss.... whereas how about you NO2HWA?
Bob-- (and all the other prophet wannabes, like Pack, Flurry, Weinland, Cox et al)
You have not ever ONCE delivered a TIME STAMPED to the minute prediction, or prognostication, other than vague general observations that virtually any half way literate reader of the news could not make.
All you would have to do is publicly post a specific event, say, Hamas invading Israel on October 7th, or that there will be a 8.1 Earthquake in New Zealand on June 3rd 2024 at 6:24 AM. etc. That would certainly give you plenty of credibility, bank and audience.
But alas, all you do is blow flatulence, touting your own "wonderfulness" , title and importance.
THIEL AND THE OTHERS--- PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
"Would you possibly like to be protected?"
Absolutely, which is why I avoid The Church of Bob.
Hi there!: Please be advised tribulation will begin about April 66 AD when the Roman governor will confiscate 17 talents from the temple treasury. I’d advise you pack up and leave Judea in March 66. The tribulation will unfortunately continue until the temple in Jerusalem is completely destroyed and many are killed. And then after that great tribulation, which won't happen again, ending about 74 AD, after the siege of Masada by Roman troops, Gentiles will trod down the city and remain in it for, unbelievably, centuries. During this time false prophets will arise, and famines, earthquakes, wars, rumors of wars, pestilence, bad weather will occur and false messiahs and apostles, and FALSE PROPHETS will do their thing. It’s the tribulation that will be occurring when Christ returns.
Ah, Dangerfield. I know that there are some readers of Banned who think we're all a bunch of hippies, but I used to have to travel to Las Vegas somewhat frequently for business. One of the lesser activities for which the town is known is the trade shows for various industries, some of which are annual. We had several over the years at the Hilton. On one occasion, I was ready for the show, in my three piece suit and tie, and well-groomed hair, walking down one of the spacious halls that was the Hilton's own internal shopping mall, with upscale stores lining either side. As I walked quickly, looking for a place to get some coffee, and perhaps bagels, I overtook a group of people, and noticed some lights and a camera man who was walking backwards filming something or other. As I passed them, I turned around to see who was being filmed. I had unknowingly interrupted and spoiled a sequence of Rodney Dangerfield who was also walking down that hall. Then I saw that other people were courteously stopped, watching the procession from the side. Rodney looked preplexed.
Sorry, I didn't mean to pull a Bob Thiel, and make this all about ME! I promise, this actually relates. You see, the other guy who never gets any respect had set himself up for the no respect thingie. You just don't assume that everyone is going to know you are being filmed, you have your handlers clearing your path, kind of giving notice to everyone else in the area. He didn't. People don't get any respect because their particular personality does not attract it. They are unknowingly going through life looking in a mirror which reflects their own aura right back at them. How do I know this? I had to work on people taking me seriously in the formative stages of my career. I did take regular introspection, and did the work required. Complaining would not have gotten the job done, because it was I who was the problematic one, and not all the other people surrounding me. I suspect that Bob is missing one of the dynamics which has certainly guided my own career, and also applies to him: Your raise becomes effective the minute YOU do!
Bob, I am not trying to pull an Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar on you, although it may seem that way. There is a reason why very few would trust or respect you. Figure it out and do something about it. Your constant complaints do nothing but contribute to the global warming problem we read about in the end times prophecies of Revelation!
All ? The gang ? Similar to Tkach jnr cohorts.
1 Corinthians 13 KJV
2 And though I have the gift of PROPHECY, and understand ALL mysteries, and ALL knowledge; and though I have ALL faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Anon 255
Hmm post a blog criticizing a cult leader has less freedom than the cult leader? How do you figure?
I don’t need a Napoleonic dictator with delusion of prophetic grandeur in my life. If you need authoritarian Armstrongism this must be a rennisance for you.
To be protected from the trial that is hitting the earth you will need all the money you can cling to. Stop giving it to religous theives.
The masses have become delusional and out of touch with reality. They grasp at straws and believe whatever rubbish will seem to hold them together.
Well, 3:51, Massa Armstrong was certainly delusional, as all of us tithe slaves found out!
It is a mistake to assume that any comment you do not agree with was posted by an Armstrongite or Bob himself.
Mistake, 8:34? Not totally! When the person who made a comment sees what his or her comment reminded us of, just maybe the next time they will think more carefully as they compose the comment, or perhaps as they are deciding whether or not to even comment in the first place.
But, I will grant you that you are correct in that there are also trolls who like to deal in shock value, so deliberately post comments that an Armstrongite might actually believe or make just to mess with us. Personally, that doesn't bother me, because it provides more opportunities to refute, and therefore keeps the blog active.
We also need to remember that there are people who have quit all the splinters, but still keep about 99% of the HWA teachings independently. They may feel that they are no longer Armstrongites, but reality is they still walk and quack like ducks, sooooo........
Greta has lost it. Dumb kid.
Bob is one twisted sister of scripture
Hollier than thou autocratic athiest with many fake names has written the orders to be followed.
Mockers delight. The downside of egomania being you've been found out long ago.
"Laodicea basically means “people decide” and most Christians in the end time have sadly decided not to follow true church governance for many reasons that they feel are justified, but that goes against what they biblically should do."
The biggest threat to Christianity is Donald Trump. He has clearly stated that when he ascends to office again, and I believe he will, he will institute an autocracy - an autocracy that abandons the Constitution of the United States - as he has already announced. And shortly thereafter, the USA will be plunaged into a shooting civil war.
Trump will take a strategy from the playbook of Adolf Hitler when it comes to treatment of churches. The churches will be co-opted to become institutions of unquestioning loyalty to him. Most of the COGs are well on their way in that direction. But there will be no prophetic messages of doom and gloom about the future of the USA. And if you persist in that, you will be put up against a wall and shot.
This systematic movement towards tyranny gathers its energy from the fact that in the near decades ahead White Europoean people in the USA will become a minority in a democracy where there is one man, one vote. White people are in a panic and willing to abandon American principles and deal with Trump to save their favored position. You can't stop what's coming. It isn't all going to wait on you. That's vanity.
So if you have any moral grit, put on your Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
Have a look at the YouTube video: 'I want to break free' (Queen) performed in North Korea
It's applicable to all those chained in the HWA cults.
I am so glad that your message was able to stand here, 7:39! I have believed the same things as you stated for some time now. However, I would make one distinction. It most definitely is not all of the white people who feel threatened or are in a panic over the future changes in population and demographics. It is indeed a sizable enough percentage to cause it to be a legitimate concern that they will take the steering wheel of the country, and will reverse and subvert all of the freedoms which we have taken for granted as being guaranteed by our founding documents.
Right now, a lot of people are doing all they can to prevent this while the courts are still functioning under the current interpretation of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It is no small concern that the Supreme Court, to which all will be appealed, has already been stacked. I'm just trying to live every day and to breathe in of our freedoms, because 2024 may be the last year that they exist.
Wicked leaders control not just cults but the entire planet. That's because the average person is a brain washed ignorant naive fool. The problem is rapidly getting worse.
Stop lying about Trump.
"We also need to remember that there are people who have quit all the splinters, but still keep about 99% of the HWA teachings independently."
Extrememly few.
"Extremely Few".
I don't know about that. Ron Dart ministered to the independents and no small number looked to him for guidance. Most had left the orgs because of the management style, not the doctrines.
I have no wish to delve deeply into politics here outside of the COG silliness, but I will say that I don't think Trump, if he wins the presidency, will find a way to institute an autocracy in any functional way (despite him demonstrating amply that he did not understand his role when he WAS president). No more so than Obama managed to use Jade Helm to imprison hordes of hapless GOP voters in empty Walmarts so he could declare "MARSHALL LAW" (why can they never spell it correctly?) and be president for life - and yes, that was a popular rumor that, as you can see, was clearly off-target.
But I do believe you are correct about both the role of popular churches being shills for political aims and the fear from white Americans of losing the station many don't comprehend that they hold.
That is true, I have run across a number of those. COG monasticism, of a sort, except they aren't nearly as interesting as real hermit-monks of history.
Many years ago, the holy Spirit instructed me to ba a stay-at-home, independent Christian. I'm not unique. There must be many others that have had the same experience.
Christ cursed the unproductive fig tree, meaning that He abhors loss. If attending services will harm rather than build members up, such church/s need to be avoided.
In that sense, attending services could be a sin in God's eyes.
RSK,
Yep. Nice to hear reason on the topic of trump.
I just wish Canada had a province with a warm, subtropical climate. I'd be making some arrangements right now.
Don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a clueless clown surrounded by sycophants thay are even more ridiculous and stupid than he is. I'm just not prone to believing any of the garbage he says or in his ability to actually carry any of it out.
Heh, Bob's gathering something alright, but I don't think it's members.
Quoth RSK, "I'm just not prone to believing any of the garbage he says or in his ability to actually carry any of it out."
Liz Cheney just made the statement that the USA is "sleepwalking into dictatorship". I do believe there is a difference between the USA and Central Europe. Hitler fairy efficiently and solemnly, disregarding the Putsch, moved into the leadership of Germany. Trump may bumble into autocracy. But don't let this bumbling nature make this outcome seem implausible. Remember Mussolini, il comico.
@ 1:05 AM said
"I just wish Canada had a province with a warm, subtropical climate. I'd be making some arrangements right now."
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We do, it's called Cuba, the favorite vacation destination for Canadians.
The warmest place you'll find in Canada during the winter is around Vancouver BC. Although they may occasionally get snow, it's mostly the rainy season there. Plus next to Toronto, Vancouver is expensive as hell to live, I believe they're worse than Toronto for the cost of living, but at least it's a warm place if you can afford it.
Thanks. Could one person live fairly well in Vancouver on $3,500 per month Social Security?
Bob Thiel's whinning concludes with his asking: "....We in the Continuing Church of God boldly teach the need for Philadelphians to be ‘gathering together’ today. Will you heed God’s instructions as the Prophet Zephaniah was inspired to write? Would you possibly like to be protected? If so, will you ‘gather together’?.."
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Why should anybody gather together with Bob? Is it possible that Philadelphians are already gathered together elsewhere? What does Bob know about Philadelphians: something other than anything tied in with Flurry, who is in charge of some incorporated organization?
What about Paul's words regarding gathering unto Jesus Christ? Huh?
2 Thess 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
What about that gathering together unto Jesus Christ?
It's not gathering together unto Bob Thiel, who is obviously driven by another spirit, teaching another Jesus with another gospel...mostly about himSELF. Is that the way one is saved, protected? By Thiel? Really?
Did a falling away occur? Possibly, but did Bob Thiel reveal the man of sin yet? Who is Bob Thiel?
After Thiel cites Zephaniah 2:1-2, he states: "...The gathering is to take place well before the day of the Lord (which happens about 2 1/2 years after the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24:21 begins) and before some type of decree is issued..."
And that is just plain stupid! The Day of the LORD occurs after Satan is loosed from the pit...that is over a 1,000 years from today! What does Bob Thiel mean by Day of the Lord happens 2 1/2 years after the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24:21 begins?
Some prophet Bob professes to be: where is that Great Tribulation? Why not just believe Jesus' words in John 16:33 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation..."
And doesn't tribulation work patience? And, what about: "...we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22
Perhaps Bob Thiel is looking forward to some Mickey Mouse gathering in preparation for a Mickey Mouse millennium. Go read the Day of the Lord details about what happens after Satan exits the pit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Thiel gets no respect, but will he ever get any respect?
Time will tell...
John
Anonymous 7:30 AM said...
"Thanks. Could one person live fairly well in Vancouver on $3,500 per month Social Security?"
I doubt it. You'll need a double income (a spouse/partner) just to be able to make ends meet on $3,500 per month. I live in Toronto on an after tax income of $3,000 per month, I'm renting a room off of my brother as that is the only way I can have a roof over my head as the average rent here is over $2,000 per month for a one bedroom apartment, and that is in an older building in an ok neighborhood. Can't buy a house in Toronto either as the average 1200 square foot bungalow sells for over $950,000, and that's the low end, small houses can run well over a million. My next door neighbor sold his 3000 square foot house last year for 2.1 million, and this is a working class neighborhood. The guy who bought that house must have won the lottery or he's way over his head in mortgage payments.
Places like Vancouver or Toronto, you'll need an after tax income or combined after tax income of at least $6000 monthly to live on. Mortgages, rent, utilities, property taxes, etc. will bury you alive in any major Canadian city. Living in the country is not any better, at least here in Ontario, as housing prices and property taxes are going insane. I've seen small Ontario towns where the property taxes are higher than in Toronto.
Vancouver is worse than Toronto and is listed as the most expensive Canadian city to live in
https://wowa.ca/vancouver-housing-market#:~:text=The%20average%20home%20price%20in%20Greater%20Vancouver%20was,and%20a%204.4%25%20yearly%20increase%20in%20October%202023.
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